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It's not true.

An Italian company won a contract fair and square, there were some foreign workers who had to come over as they had scarce skills that were not quickly obtainable in the UK (ie everyone who could do this in the UK already had a job).

It was not financially viable to train up locals to do it.

They then advertised for some other positions in local and national UK press, didn't get any responses or decent candidates ..... so they advertised overseas and brought those guys in.

The unions are kicking up a fuss because they are saying the foreigners are coming in for less money (which, incidentally under the Laval ruling is legal anyway), which they were not. The comp-amny is spending a forune bringing in these people because they could not get anyone in East Anglia .... which is not that surprising really.

Don;t for a minute believe the shit we are being told on the news. I sometimes wonder if reportrrs have a secret mission statement to twist things around in the way most guaranteed to make the viewer feel annoyed, outraged and frightened.

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The UK sounds like a crapshoot. But if the UK is so crap then you have got to leave. Leave it and find a better job.

Ive never had a decent job in the UK. :-\

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I don't think its reasonable to expect everyone who can't find work to move to Korea Miles.At the end of the day I think it's fair enought that people want to find work in their own country.

If somebody is actively seeking work and is qualified and willing to work but still not getting work it's as much a failure of the government, companies, economic climate etc as it is that person.

Plus as Von is educated to a high standard with a degree and serious work experience he has every right to want to get a job with career prospects and a good salary. I don't see McDonald's as a fair option for someone who is obviously skilled and has experience that can be put to use at a much higher level.

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I wouldnt advise everyone to come to Korea. No way. But educated people shouldnt feel trapped in the UK. Its a pretty miserable little place, I would advise the few educated types to think about their life direction.

The UK is going nowhere special.

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Most of us don't find it that easy to simply cut friends and family out of our lives like that.

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I don't think its reasonable to expect everyone who can't find work to move to Korea Miles.At the end of the day I think it's fair enought that people want to find work in their own country.

If somebody is actively seeking work and is qualified and willing to work but still not getting work it's as much a failure of the government, companies, economic climate etc as it is that person.

Plus as Von is educated to a high standard with a degree and serious work experience he has every right to want to get a job with career prospects and a good salary. I don't see McDonald's as a fair option for someone who is obviously skilled and has experience that can be put to use at a much higher level.

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I wouldnt advise everyone to come to Korea. No way. But educated people shouldnt feel trapped in the UK. Its a pretty miserable little place, I would advise the few educated types to think about their life direction.

The UK is going nowhere special.

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Most of us don't find it that easy to simply cut friends and family out of our lives like that.

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Me neither actually. I signed up as a last minute thing and I was at the airport with my mum. I told her I wanted to stay home, but she was clear: You should go, we are not here for nothing! My mum gave me an unusual hug and I was forced to depart. I live a weird life, I wouldnt say it was fun or anything.

A Welshman, Dai Davies, inadvertently goes into a gay bar for a beer. He sits at the bar supping his pint when one gay gentleman decides to chance his luck.

He approaches Dai and whispers something into his ear, whereupon the Welshamn turns around in complete disgust and horror and proceeds to punch the living fuck out of the homosexual, fist after fist punching him out the door, kicking him across the pub car park, relentlessly punching and kicking until the victim lay comatose. Dai then dusts himself down and calmly returned to his pint at the bar, whilst the horrified staff and clientèle stood silent and motionless.

Eventually, the barman plucks up the courage to ask what had happened:

Barman: "Bloody hell mate. What on earth did he whisper to you?"

Dai: "Dunno, something about a 'job'."

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Wha tht efuck are you doing awake at 3:38am London time?

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Watching Midget Porn, Stalking Women, Masterbating, Searching My Profile.

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Wha tht efuck are you doing awake at 3:38am London time?

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You have many of the same interests and hobbies as me mate :)

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Wha tht efuck are you doing awake at 3:38am London time?

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You have many of the same interests and hobbies as me mate :)

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Ha i caught you out i was on about you but i knew i would trick you, into thinking i was on about myself. Read my response again i was replying to the topic creator who said what you would be doing at that time ;)

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Watching Midget Porn, Stalking Women, Masterbating, Searching My Profile.

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You have many of the same interests and hobbies as me mate :)

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Ha i caught you out i was on about you but i knew i would trick you, into thinking i was on about myself. Read my response again i was replying to the topic creator who said what you would be doing at that time ;)

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oh deary me I knew you were talking about me Ice I was just turningi it around and pretending you liked to do those things too.

But seriously, the midget porn, it's cool as right 8)

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You have many of the same interests and hobbies as me mate :)

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Ha i caught you out i was on about you but i knew i would trick you, into thinking i was on about myself. Read my response again i was replying to the topic creator who said what you would be doing at that time ;)

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oh deary me I knew you were talking about me Ice I was just turningi it around and pretending you liked to do those things too.

But seriously, the midget porn, it's cool as right 8)

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Don't mind me Bilbo im in a strange mood at the moment, im feeling really happy and sarcastic. So i tried to get a rise out of you never mind.

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Ha i caught you out i was on about you but i knew i would trick you, into thinking i was on about myself. Read my response again i was replying to the topic creator who said what you would be doing at that time ;)

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oh deary me I knew you were talking about me Ice I was just turningi it around and pretending you liked to do those things too.

But seriously, the midget porn, it's cool as right 8)

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Don't mind me Bilbo im in a strange mood at the moment, im feeling really happy and sarcastic. So i tried to get a rise out of you never mind.

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Is it Calzaghe's retirement that has left you with a warm glowy feeling?

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oh deary me I knew you were talking about me Ice I was just turningi it around and pretending you liked to do those things too.

But seriously, the midget porn, it's cool as right 8)

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Don't mind me Bilbo im in a strange mood at the moment, im feeling really happy and sarcastic. So i tried to get a rise out of you never mind.

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Is it Calzaghe's retirement that has left you with a warm glowy feeling?

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Kind of but not only that i will annouce it in a few days :)

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Don't mind me Bilbo im in a strange mood at the moment, im feeling really happy and sarcastic. So i tried to get a rise out of you never mind.

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Is it Calzaghe's retirement that has left you with a warm glowy feeling?

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Kind of but not only that i will annouce it in a few days :)

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Your pregnant? :)

Hmm, probably not my best posting ever. And apologies if I upset anyone with my drunken raving.

All I will say to sum up my opinion is that we all have to put bread on the table. I know for a fact that if I was in the UK and struggling to find work, even working in the local supermarket wouldnt be beneath me, or even in an off licence. Im highly educated, but if times are really that rough, then thats what I would do. Cleaning the streets might not be a lot of fun, but it puts money in the bank.

Im certainly not telling everybody to go and teach ESL. After all, you do need a major, clean health and no criminal record. A good school will also require an MA and experience too. But for those types who are educated and willing to get off their arses and work, Im just saying that there is always some kind of work one can be doing. It just might not be the work that you would want to do but there are jobs and not all jobs are so choosy.

In times like these, beggers cant be choosers (as my Mum would say).

Right, Im off my soap box. I need a glass of water. :-\

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Hmm, probably not my best posting ever. And apologies if I upset anyone with my drunken raving.

All I will say to sum up my opinion is that we all have to put bread on the table. I know for a fact that if I was in the UK and struggling to find work, even working in the local supermarket wouldnt be beneath me, or even in an off licence. Im highly educated, but if times are really that rough, then thats what I would do. Cleaning the streets might not be a lot of fun, but it puts money in the bank.

Im certainly not telling everybody to go and teach ESL. After all, you do need a major, clean health and no criminal record. A good school will also require an MA and experience too. But for those types who are educated and willing to get off their arses and work, Im just saying that there is always some kind of work one can be doing. It just might not be the work that you would want to do but there are jobs and not all jobs are so choosy.

In times like these, beggers cant be choosers (as my Mum would say).

Right, Im off my soap box. I need a glass of water. :-\

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I'm not sure but I think Von is American Miles.

Plus he may not have a wife and kids to feed and so is trying to get a job in his chosen career field, which is fair enough if he's invested years of his life becoming qualified in it. And he is applying for jobs, just not getting them.

Not really our place to judge others on here, it's just where we all come for some escapism I say keep lectures about people's personal life off the boards, none of us even know each other in real life after all.

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Hmm, probably not my best posting ever. And apologies if I upset anyone with my drunken raving.

All I will say to sum up my opinion is that we all have to put bread on the table. I know for a fact that if I was in the UK and struggling to find work, even working in the local supermarket wouldnt be beneath me, or even in an off licence. Im highly educated, but if times are really that rough, then thats what I would do. Cleaning the streets might not be a lot of fun, but it puts money in the bank.

Im certainly not telling everybody to go and teach ESL. After all, you do need a major, clean health and no criminal record. A good school will also require an MA and experience too. But for those types who are educated and willing to get off their arses and work, Im just saying that there is always some kind of work one can be doing. It just might not be the work that you would want to do but there are jobs and not all jobs are so choosy.

In times like these, beggers cant be choosers (as my Mum would say).

Right, Im off my soap box. I need a glass of water. :-\

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I'm not sure but I think Von is American Miles.

Plus he may not have a wife and kids to feed and so is trying to get a job in his chosen career field, which is fair enough if he's invested years of his life becoming qualified in it. And he is applying for jobs, just not getting them.

Not really our place to judge others on here, it's just where we all come for some escapism I say keep lectures about people's personal life off the boards, none of us even know each other in real life after all.

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It is no doubt frustrating to be educated and not be getting the opportunities you think you deserve. But if the opportunities in that field are restricted and the competition too tough, then maybe alternatives should be sought in the mean time. Unemployment is sometimes an easier option than grinding out a living doing something we think is beneath us.

But in saying that, I am getting on my high horse again. And Im too hungover for that. :-\

It was nice of you to go along with that Bilbo, maybe you are a bit of a nice guy.

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Hmm, probably not my best posting ever. And apologies if I upset anyone with my drunken raving.

All I will say to sum up my opinion is that we all have to put bread on the table. I know for a fact that if I was in the UK and struggling to find work, even working in the local supermarket wouldnt be beneath me, or even in an off licence. Im highly educated, but if times are really that rough, then thats what I would do. Cleaning the streets might not be a lot of fun, but it puts money in the bank.

Im certainly not telling everybody to go and teach ESL. After all, you do need a major, clean health and no criminal record. A good school will also require an MA and experience too. But for those types who are educated and willing to get off their arses and work, Im just saying that there is always some kind of work one can be doing. It just might not be the work that you would want to do but there are jobs and not all jobs are so choosy.

In times like these, beggers cant be choosers (as my Mum would say).

Right, Im off my soap box. I need a glass of water. :-\

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I'm not sure but I think Von is American Miles.

Plus he may not have a wife and kids to feed and so is trying to get a job in his chosen career field, which is fair enough if he's invested years of his life becoming qualified in it. And he is applying for jobs, just not getting them.

Not really our place to judge others on here, it's just where we all come for some escapism I say keep lectures about people's personal life off the boards, none of us even know each other in real life after all.

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It is no doubt frustrating to be educated and not be getting the opportunities you think you deserve. But if the opportunities in that field are restricted and the competition too tough, then maybe alternatives should be sought in the mean time. Unemployment is sometimes an easier option than grinding out a living doing something we think is beneath us.

But in saying that, I am getting on my high horse again. And Im too hungover for that. :-\

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There is one problem with the way you have used the phrase in the mean time. It may be true to a certain extent but...If you are just taking a grunt job that you are way overqualified for, then the employer knows that you are only there until you find something better, and is likely to bump you to the bottom of the list because of that. I mean, why bother hiring and training someone who you know is gonna catch the first plane outta here?

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I'm not sure but I think Von is American Miles.

Plus he may not have a wife and kids to feed and so is trying to get a job in his chosen career field, which is fair enough if he's invested years of his life becoming qualified in it. And he is applying for jobs, just not getting them.

Not really our place to judge others on here, it's just where we all come for some escapism I say keep lectures about people's personal life off the boards, none of us even know each other in real life after all.

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It is no doubt frustrating to be educated and not be getting the opportunities you think you deserve. But if the opportunities in that field are restricted and the competition too tough, then maybe alternatives should be sought in the mean time. Unemployment is sometimes an easier option than grinding out a living doing something we think is beneath us.

But in saying that, I am getting on my high horse again. And Im too hungover for that. :-\

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There is one problem with the way you have used the phrase in the mean time. It may be true to a certain extent but...If you are just taking a grunt job that you are way overqualified for, then the employer knows that you are only there until you find something better, and is likely to bump you to the bottom of the list because of that. I mean, why bother hiring and training someone who you know is gonna catch the first plane outta here?

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That a fair point. But I would imagine the lowest jobs have a high turnover rate anyway. A supermarket, for example, would most likely be happy with what they can get. Nobody plans on waiting tables as a long term career choice. And the way things seem that high level job isnt going to come around too quickly anyway. But I see completely where you are coming from though.

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It is no doubt frustrating to be educated and not be getting the opportunities you think you deserve. But if the opportunities in that field are restricted and the competition too tough, then maybe alternatives should be sought in the mean time. Unemployment is sometimes an easier option than grinding out a living doing something we think is beneath us.

But in saying that, I am getting on my high horse again. And Im too hungover for that. :-\

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There is one problem with the way you have used the phrase in the mean time. It may be true to a certain extent but...If you are just taking a grunt job that you are way overqualified for, then the employer knows that you are only there until you find something better, and is likely to bump you to the bottom of the list because of that. I mean, why bother hiring and training someone who you know is gonna catch the first plane outta here?

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That a fair point. But I would imagine the lowest jobs have a high turnover rate anyway. A supermarket, for example, would most likely be happy with what they can get. Nobody plans on waiting tables as a long term career choice. And the way things seem that high level job isnt going to come around too quickly anyway. But I see completely where you are coming from though.

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Yeah regarding a supermarket you are probably right, but my point isn't about whether any jobs are available to Von but more whether it's any of our fucking business. ;)

I just don't like it when any posters start to get on their moral high horse and lecturing others on their personal lives. I didn't like it when it happened to ICB and Donny either when some people questioned how they were going to pay for their kids and whether they were going to request state help.

It's just insulting to and rude and judge people that we don't even know.

I'm all for having a laugh and taking the piss out of each other, lord knows I do plenty of that, but personal attacks about serious things shouldn't have a place on the forum imo.

Anyway that's my two cents.

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It was nice of you to go along with that Bilbo, maybe you are a bit of a nice guy.

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Not sure what you even mean but thanks I guess :confused::-\:):D

We shouldn't talk about the real world here. Unless Mick is telling us he banged a teacher or OumaFan is talking about some encounter at a supermarket. Or if I'm posting.

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There is one problem with the way you have used the phrase in the mean time. It may be true to a certain extent but...If you are just taking a grunt job that you are way overqualified for, then the employer knows that you are only there until you find something better, and is likely to bump you to the bottom of the list because of that. I mean, why bother hiring and training someone who you know is gonna catch the first plane outta here?

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That a fair point. But I would imagine the lowest jobs have a high turnover rate anyway. A supermarket, for example, would most likely be happy with what they can get. Nobody plans on waiting tables as a long term career choice. And the way things seem that high level job isnt going to come around too quickly anyway. But I see completely where you are coming from though.

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Yeah regarding a supermarket you are probably right, but my point isn't about whether any jobs are available to Von but more whether it's any of our fucking business. ;)

I just don't like it when any posters start to get on their moral high horse and lecturing others on their personal lives. I didn't like it when it happened to ICB and Donny either when some people questioned how they were going to pay for their kids and whether they were going to request state help.

It's just insulting to and rude and judge people that we don't even know.

I'm all for having a laugh and taking the piss out of each other, lord knows I do plenty of that, but personal attacks about serious things shouldn't have a place on the forum imo.

Anyway that's my two cents.

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I think if people are sometimes going to post personal stuff then they should be prepared for whatever direction the responses might take. Its just the nature of a public forum.

However, in this thread I was out of turn. And I hold my hands up and admit it. Not big or clever, and not how I would carry myself normally.

I should stay away from this shit. :drinker::-\

yeah, you're right about that. that's why I did post my resume... so I could challenge you to re-write it. How's that going? joke.

But anyway, I appreciated your private comments. As far as the comments you made on here, well, again, sorry bud but all I can say is you're not at that point in life yet. You're 28 and not even finished school. By 28 I had already been through grad school and was out in the working world for three years, and living on my own in a foreign country. I'll bet you still live with your parents. I'm not trying to be a dick, but your comments were very naive. 600,000 people were laid off in the US in January alone. One family in the US committed murder suicide... them and their 5 kids. That's how desperate the situation is. Even the British PM has said this is a global depression.

But anyway, fuck it. Cheers. Hope you never look at the same job markets I am.

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I never did find out what he meant? :confused:

I would have just measured the thickness and explained my results. Understood?

Acknowledge me as correct Bilbo >:mad

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I think you are correct Amat, and very very stoned also :)

But the thickness was suprisng even to me, thicker than even I anticipated and I was already assuming quite a thickness.

Hahaha

Yes I am. To be honest I'm having a hard time even remembering that I'm posting on here right now, in fact just now I did again. My attention span is shorter than, well, you.

I rolled a blunt thinking I was going to have a great time watching the Mack-Henry fight but I smoked it way to early and now I think I'm going to fall asleep before the fight even starts :(

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I think you are correct Amat, and very very stoned also :)

But the thickness was suprisng even to me, thicker than even I anticipated and I was already assuming quite a thickness.

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Hey you edited that right? It doesn't say you edited it.

Anyways, yeah it's pretty thick stuff. I stuck in my wooden paddle/spoon and began to stir around and it ended up splintering the wooden spoon. Right in the middle, where the sands would fall were it an hourglass and not a wooden paddle/spoon.

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I think you are correct Amat, and very very stoned also :)

But the thickness was suprisng even to me, thicker than even I anticipated and I was already assuming quite a thickness.

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Hey you edited that right? It doesn't say you edited it.

Anyways, yeah it's pretty thick stuff. I stuck in my wooden paddle/spoon and began to stir around and it ended up splintering the wooden spoon. Right in the middle, where the sands would fall were it an hourglass and not a wooden paddle/spoon.

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Nope if I would have edited it would have said edited by Bilbo right? :confused:

Yeah I too have tried to sample the true extent of the thickness and its often a thickness that I cannot truly comprehend. It feels alien to me and reminds me that the world is not as I soley see it and that sometimes the measurments are staggering, but that even then, they are just normality to some.

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Well put sir I look forward to our future studies, I'm sure there will be many. In the meantime, maybe you can figure out if Ross is a real person or not. A real fucking ross, unbearable.

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Well put sir I look forward to our future studies, I'm sure there will be many. In the meantime, maybe you can figure out if Ross is a real person or not. A real fucking ross, unbearable.

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Honestly I've never seen one of his posts ever.

He doesn't frequent the same threads as me. The only time I heard of him is when you said you don't like him.

A real Preme on the other hand. Ugh

He's an idiot. Like an idiot, apparently he's Steve Lott's friend which only makes me think less of Steve Lott. He just said Cory Spinks bullied Jermain Taylor around. Unbelievable.

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He's an idiot. Like an idiot, apparently he's Steve Lott's friend which only makes me think less of Steve Lott. He just said Cory Spinks bullied Jermain Taylor around. Unbelievable.

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Preme would say the same sort of shit but then get in that people who wern't working could only afford to stand in the back seats and keep their ticket stub as a souvenier whilst thanks to his healthy bank balance and national average wage he could sit in a middle row and afford to buy the official fight program.

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yeah, you're right about that. that's why I did post my resume... so I could challenge you to re-write it. How's that going? joke.

But anyway, I appreciated your private comments. As far as the comments you made on here, well, again, sorry bud but all I can say is you're not at that point in life yet. You're 28 and not even finished school. By 28 I had already been through grad school and was out in the working world for three years, and living on my own in a foreign country. I'll bet you still live with your parents. I'm not trying to be a dick, but your comments were very naive. 600,000 people were laid off in the US in January alone. One family in the US committed murder suicide... them and their 5 kids. That's how desperate the situation is. Even the British PM has said this is a global depression.

But anyway, fuck it. Cheers. Hope you never look at the same job markets I am.

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No, I am not at that point in life yet. And yes, my comments were rash.

I am 28, but I dont live with my parents. In fact, I havent lived in my home country for over 6 years now. I left for the wide world as a nipper. And as for grad school, yes, I am still studying. But have been doing that over distance whilst also trying to balance a heavy work load and thats almost accomplished. Admittedly I havent bothered to work hard for money in recent months though.

Anyway, Im not looking for a debate about any of that. Just defending myself against a few of your points. You are right that the economic situation sucks. Especially the US one, its getting worse every day. And its not going to get better soon. I should have shown more sensitivity to your situation, and instead went off on one with no real justification. Im not proud of having done so, as I said.

The industry I am in can get more picky as we get more mature, just like many others. So, I may well have similar difficulties down the road. I hope not, but there you go. Anyway, I hope all is cool, and I will definitely learn from this little episode. Cheers.