Re: I'm hearing Wlads shit himself and Haye will fight Toney!!!
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hattonthehammer
fans of the sport are the real losers in this if Wlad has indeed chickened out of a fight.
Haye told setanta last thursday that it was pretty much in wlads camp now and that if any fight was to be made it would have to be done by this weekend otherwise he would go looking elsewhere.
I have a lot of time and respect for Wladimir Klitschko - just hope to god he doesnt sell everyone who`s other had faith in him short and head for another easy pay day.
I hope people aren't taking Haye's word as bond. He could be posturing to get more money than Klitschko wants to agree to. Look at it this way: you and I agree to a fight in principal. We expect 20 mil in ticket sales and I say I want 11. While we're still negotiating I announce to the public that the deal is done and it's just a matter of you agreeing to it when you know there's more to it than that. You think you deserve 12 because you're the champ and I'm some upstart, but since I went and blabbed to the public I'm making you out to be a pussy if you don't agree to the agreement that's 'already in your hands'. I think Haye is trying to put the squeeze on Klitschko. Wlad hasn't had reason to chicken out of any fight and I doubt a guy who just arrived at HW has him quaking in his boots.
Re: I'm hearing Wlads shit himself and Haye will fight Toney!!!
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Lyle
We've never seen Haye take a punch from a power punching heavyweight, we haven't seen Haye fight a top 20 heavyweight yet, we haven't seen him last 10-12 rounds with a heavyweight, and we haven't seen Haye show defense vs a heavyweight either.
I would like to see Haye vs a bigger heavyweight, someone 6'5-6'6 who knows how to box or is just a dangerous puncher. There is a long list of fighters Haye can fight and prove himself against before getting a shot at Wlad
Could you name a power punching heavyweight ? I can only think of David Haye.
Haye has fought 2 top 15 ACTUALLY ranked heavyweights. Bonin number 11 and Barrett number 5.
He hasn't lasted that amount of rounds because he blows his opponents away with his power.
Monte Barrett hit Haye. Haye stayed up straight.
Not the time Barret hit him and he went down, but for some reason it was considered a slip.
Should of went to specsavers.
Re: I'm hearing Wlads shit himself and Haye will fight Toney!!!
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Lyle
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leftylee
Could you name a power punching heavyweight ? I can only think of David Haye.
Haye has fought 2 top 15 ACTUALLY ranked heavyweights. Bonin number 11 and Barrett number 5.
He hasn't lasted that amount of rounds because he blows his opponents away with his power.
Monte Barrett hit Haye. Haye stayed up straight.
Andrew Golota is out there for Haye to fight, if he wanted to impress somebody he could have at least fought someone who USED TO BE somebody in the division. David could fight Sam Peter, Lamon Brewster, and the way Haye likes eating right hands I would even feel good if he fought Hasim Rahman and won.....I would feel better of his chances than him just jumping in vs Wladimir.
Not all heavyweights are as easy to KO as Monte Barrett and Bonin.....I mean hell Audley Harrison TKO'd Bonin before Haye even thought of fighting him. And I'm sure even you agree that Audley Harrison doesn't deserve a title shot.
I don't know whether to think you've seen the Audley-Bonin fight or not... Was one of the worst stoppages I have ever seen... Bonin was well in the fight into 9th round or when ever the referee decided he was bored of it. Haye completely fucked him up within a round.
I don't know what's scenario is worse... that you simply read boxrec and based your opinion on the fight off that without even seeing what happened or that you did see the fight and despite supposedly knowing a thin or two about boxing thought that it was a legitimate TKO...
Re: I'm hearing Wlads shit himself and Haye will fight Toney!!!
To be fair, I actually think Haye is pretty slick at slipping the right hand. I mean Mormeck did catch him with that one huge right hand that had him wobbly in the legs, but besides that Haye was slipping most of Mormeck's punches quite effectively. Same with against Bonin he got caught coming in that one time, but there were still many other times where Bonin couldn't land anything even when they were (sluging it out) he was landing hard punches while Bonin wasn't landing clean shots at all.
Re: I'm hearing Wlads shit himself and Haye will fight Toney!!!
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leftylee
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Lyle
We've never seen Haye take a punch from a power punching heavyweight, we haven't seen Haye fight a top 20 heavyweight yet, we haven't seen him last 10-12 rounds with a heavyweight, and we haven't seen Haye show defense vs a heavyweight either.
I would like to see Haye vs a bigger heavyweight, someone 6'5-6'6 who knows how to box or is just a dangerous puncher. There is a long list of fighters Haye can fight and prove himself against before getting a shot at Wlad
Could you name a power punching heavyweight ? I can only think of David Haye.
Haye has fought 2 top 15 ACTUALLY ranked heavyweights. Bonin number 11 and Barrett number 5.
He hasn't lasted that amount of rounds because he blows his opponents away with his power.
Monte Barrett hit Haye. Haye stayed up straight.
In what world is Barrett #5 and Bonin #11? If this fight comes off in June, we'll be able to put all this silly David Haye talk to bed.
Re: I'm hearing Wlads shit himself and Haye will fight Toney!!!
:o
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Kirkland Laing
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To really justify a fight with one of the Frankensteins Haye needs the kind of record of a Corrie Sanders or a Ross "The Boss" Purrity.
Thats an ignorant thing to say. Wlad hadnt won a title when he fought Purrity, and when he fought Sanders he was only WBO champ. Completely different circumstances. Now Klit is undisputed champ with 7 defenses.
If he doesnt fight Haye but fights Arreola or another top HW i'd be happy with that. Haye can then just force him to fight by winning more fights. I think Haye deserves a shot.
He's a chinny fraud who got knocked out by a pro-celebrity golfer. The only reason he holds any belt is because the heavyweight division is total garbage. The fact that a chinny cruiser is the most exciting fighter at heavyweight tells you everything you need to know about the division.
Corrie Sanders had fast hands and he could crack. Sanders in his prime was 10x the fighter of Barrett or Bonin :o
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Kirkland Laing
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eagle
Thats an ignorant thing to say. Wlad hadnt won a title when he fought Purrity, and when he fought Sanders he was only WBO champ. Completely different circumstances. Now Klit is undisputed champ with 7 defenses.
If he doesnt fight Haye but fights Arreola or another top HW i'd be happy with that. Haye can then just force him to fight by winning more fights. I think Haye deserves a shot.
He's a chinny fraud who got knocked out by a pro-celebrity golfer. The only reason he holds any belt is because the heavyweight division is total garbage. The fact that a chinny cruiser is the most exciting fighter at heavyweight tells you everything you need to know about the division.
Corrie Sanders had fast hands and he could crack. Sanders in his prime was 10x the fighter of Barrett or Bonin :o
He was dragged off the golf course by Junior's then-promoters Universum, people who make Frank Warren look like a reckless risk-taker when it comes to matchmaking. They'd looked at his record and found two things that promoters protecting their moneymakers look for, a. an impressive number of wins against losses and b. the losses against people they think their guy is better than (or has already beat). But the golfer upset the applecart and exposed their guy as a glass-jawed fraud, and ever since he's fought with the single-most boring unadventurous style of any champion in history, especially when you consider the size of him. The sooner that laboratory creation gets flattened by a real heavyweight the better, maybe people will start watching heavyweight boxing again.
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I think Haye could beat Toney for sure at this point in his career. I think Wlad sends Haye back to the cruiserweight division.
Re: I'm hearing Wlads shit himself and Haye will fight Toney!!!
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Kirkland Laing
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eagle
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Kirkland Laing
To really justify a fight with one of the Frankensteins Haye needs the kind of record of a Corrie Sanders or a Ross "The Boss" Purrity.
Thats an ignorant thing to say. Wlad hadnt won a title when he fought Purrity, and when he fought Sanders he was only WBO champ. Completely different circumstances. Now Klit is undisputed champ with 7 defenses.
If he doesnt fight Haye but fights Arreola or another top HW i'd be happy with that. Haye can then just force him to fight by winning more fights. I think Haye deserves a shot.
He's a chinny fraud who got knocked out by a pro-celebrity golfer. The only reason he holds any belt is because the heavyweight division is total garbage.
The fact that a chinny cruiser is the most exciting fighter at heavyweight tells you everything you need to know about the division.
Don't sell Haye short. A chinny Cruiser with poor stamina and a leaky defense.
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Kirkland what do you say about Carl Thompson? Do you think Monte Barrett is a good heavyweight? Do you rate Bonin as well?
Monte Barrett got beat by Wlad and not just beat but BEAT DOWN and at the time people thought pretty highly of Monte being young and 23(14 KO)-1 only being beaten by the 1999 version of Lance Whittaker by SPLIT DECESION. The Monte Barrett that David Haye fought had reached his peak LOOOOOONG ago (2003-2004 fighting Mesi [MD loss], Guinn [ SD win], and Beck [TKO win]) and just recently been KO'd in 2 by CLIFF COUSER.
Tomaz Bonin a polish heavyweight (a very protected variety of fighters) who got sparked out by AUDLEY HARRISON in his first loss....his only other noteable fight was either a UD vs Garing Lane or a UD over Fernley Feliz
