Booing of Britains returning 'heroes' - what's your take on it?

Oh and belive me bro ,Im not against you.

i also know for a fact that if Australia was alone and we didnt have you guys doing your jobs and we wern't allies;then the Indonesian musliums would be comming at us to take us over down here.they out number us about ten to one. And our stupid goverment not only disarmed our public they also melted down all the weapons instead of storing them away in each town!
If we do get invaded or if anarcy breaks out due to massive power failure or earth quakes etc, can you imagine who would rule the streets now that weapons are outlawed; ;) Outlaws will.

Fools: Rule this place too mate they cant think outside the square thats in front of them.

Let me go line by line on this Bilbo

1. F*ck the UN...what a bullshit inept org
2. Your not really going to pin Abu Ghraib on the President are you? Soldiers when not properly supervised do dumb shit. In this case really dumb shit
3. I believe that Bush truly believed the intel on WMD. Now his admin may have very well created an environment that fostered bringing the "right" Intel. I just think Bush is such a devout christian that he prays at night for the right answer and wakes up in the morning bound and determined to do it. The deal sealer on this for me is Powell. The man embodies integrity. I don't believe he would speak in front of the world if he didn't believe it.
4. I don't buy the middle east conquest either. Iran should have gotten a punitive military response to its training and equiping shia militia to fight in Iraq. They gave us every reason to launch a couple dozen cruise missiles and we did nothing
5. Gitmo- maybe you can find one but I don't know of a time when enemy combatant POWs were not held till their respective war was over. As far as water boarding...well frankly I don't give a shit...Water boarded in gitmo or beheaded on Al jazeera...where is my blind fold?
6. 1 million deaths: I think this is a skewed stat. How many were combatants? How many were from sectarian violence? How many were due to the enemy using them as human shields? I know American's have both accidentally killed and murdered Iraqis but that number is no where near a million. I mean why not tack on all of Darfur b/c of what Bush didn't do?
7. Red Cross....Seriously...thats like asking a Vegan how he feels about McDonalds
8. What did you expect Biden/Obama to say during their campaign? "He is a great guy and we commend him on a job well done!"

I just don't buy the maliciously coniving genius working for global domination. The guy aint that smart. I think he is a Bible thumping good ol boy with romantic ideas about spreading deomcracy and glory. He picked the wrong advisers...got some bad info...had a crappy plan and acted too fast

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Let me go line by line on this Bilbo

1. F*ck the UN...what a bullshit inept org
2. Your not really going to pin Abu Ghraib on the President are you? Soldiers when not properly supervised do dumb shit. In this case really dumb shit
3. I believe that Bush truly believed the intel on WMD. Now his admin may have very well created an environment that fostered bringing the "right" Intel. I just think Bush is such a devout christian that he prays at night for the right answer and wakes up in the morning bound and determined to do it. The deal sealer on this for me is Powell. The man embodies integrity. I don't believe he would speak in front of the world if he didn't believe it.
4. I don't buy the middle east conquest either. Iran should have gotten a punitive military response to its training and equiping shia militia to fight in Iraq. They gave us every reason to launch a couple dozen cruise missiles and we did nothing
5. Gitmo- maybe you can find one but I don't know of a time when enemy combatant POWs were not held till their respective war was over. As far as water boarding...well frankly I don't give a shit...Water boarded in gitmo or beheaded on Al jazeera...where is my blind fold?
6. 1 million deaths: I think this is a skewed stat. How many were combatants? How many were from sectarian violence? How many were due to the enemy using them as human shields? I know American's have both accidentally killed and murdered Iraqis but that number is no where near a million. I mean why not tack on all of Darfur b/c of what Bush didn't do?
7. Red Cross....Seriously...thats like asking a Vegan how he feels about McDonalds
8. What did you expect Biden/Obama to say during their campaign? "He is a great guy and we commend him on a job well done!"

I just don't buy the maliciously coniving genius working for global domination. The guy aint that smart. I think he is a Bible thumping good ol boy with romantic ideas about spreading deomcracy and glory. He picked the wrong advisers...got some bad info...had a crappy plan and acted too fast

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I'm not saying he would be found guilty necessarily if he was tried but just that there is easily enough evidence against him to warrant investigation.

I mean your attitude to 'Well I think he really believed in weapons of mass destruction because he's a devout Christian and was probably deceived like everyone else' is the lamest justification of someone ever. You can't not investigate someone becuase you think they are a sound bloke its ridiculous.

That's like what happened with Michael Jackson. He gets accused of multiple sex crimes against kids and his fans are all like 'but he's so sweet and innocent like a child himself, he'd never hurt anyone'.

Imagine if the courts decided that the people were right and so not to bring it to trial because 'you know what, it's Micheal, he's a legend, we love him he must be alright'

Now I'm not making an opinion of Michael's guilt one way or the other, or of the result of innonence, I'm just saying that he couldn't just avoid the trial becuase people thought he was innocent.

If there is evidence to suggest criminal activity then any just legal system is bound to investigate it.

Bush and his admin clearly deserve to be investigated for their roles in the torture techniques used, the falsification of evidence related to wmd's etc.

They may be found innocent of all charges but at least it would have been brought to the attention of the law courts and properly investigated.

I think its highly likely that in the future there could be some kind of trial against him and people around him.

We should have listened to Scott Ritter.Love him or hate him...He called it to a tee exactly pre the invasion.

One thing that I think gets lost.....soldiers are citizens as well.By supporting them it does not translate into an approval of a Governments policies and twisted manipulations.Im pretty sure their are no Democrates or Republicans sitting in a hole sucking sand.

In what court Bilbo? I mean Clinton perjured himself and nothing happened. I mean if nothing else is clear I think America has been pretty frank about how much it cares of world opinion. ;D As far as the current administration doing an investigation...they better worry about the plate in front of them and stop passing the blame. Also let me make it clear I'm not absolving Bush of some really poor decision making I just don't buy the conspiracy theories. I think the guy is just a boob who goes to bed every night thinking "well gosh darn't I did my best and the Lord loves me". I just find the concept of war criminal odd. Human rights violator...maybe but when the end state is either your dead or I'm dead the ideals of legality and crime don't come to mind.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

In what court Bilbo? I mean Clinton perjured himself and nothing happened. I mean if nothing else is clear I think America has been pretty frank about how much it cares of world opinion. ;D As far as the current administration doing an investigation...they better worry about the plate in front of them and stop passing the blame. Also let me make it clear I'm not absolving Bush of some really poor decision making I just don't buy the conspiracy theories. I think the guy is just a boob who goes to bed every night thinking "well gosh darn't I did my best and the Lord loves me". I just find the concept of war criminal odd. Human rights violator...maybe but when the end state is either your dead or I'm dead the ideals of legality and crime don't come to mind.

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So what do you think about the US trying Tariq Aziz at the moment and sentencing to 15 years for his role in that massacre following the assassination attempt on Saddam?

Wasn't he tried in an Iraqi court? If an Iraqi court thinks he murdered a bunch of merchants for making a profit then why would I disagree?