Another kahn critic

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Trust me it would have:cool: You go plowing in to thread like that...

That was in Let's Get it On. Who said you had to play fair in there?....you/he could start another thread if you feel hard done by. Promise I won't reply till it hits the second page:cool:

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Well, if you're gonna do all that crap like blockin him from this thread, then the thread HE creates to complain you shift there then close then I doubt he'll do it because he expects the same. I don't have a problem with you, but I don't agree with how you've dealt with this, and I'm going to say that to you, not go creating some whingy little thread about. I've never seen this guy post before, so I'm not really concerned about him more the principle, but if you're gonna take it somewhere, you can't shut it down after the first reply from him.

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I know isn't it great;D

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You fascist pig Balbricker :mad:

Why don't I have any mod powers it so unfair, I want to ban people too. :(

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Well, if you're gonna do all that crap like blockin him from this thread, then the thread HE creates to complain you shift there then close then I doubt he'll do it because he expects the same. I don't have a problem with you, but I don't agree with how you've dealt with this, and I'm going to say that to you, not go creating some whingy little thread about. I've never seen this guy post before, so I'm not really concerned about him more the principle, but if you're gonna take it somewhere, you can't shut it down after the first reply from him.

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I know isn't it great;D

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You fascist pig Balbricker :mad:

Why don't I have any mod powers it so unfair, I want to ban people too. :(

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That's Miss Ballbreaker to you little man.:mad:

BILBO SERIOUSLY. Kahns Career. to date.

wins that stand out.

Earl, two fights before got smashed to bits in a title challenge and was shot to death when kahn beat him, in earls next fight lost to henry castle who blew him apart in 1, WHO!

Willie limond, A career superfeather drops kahn very heavily and was kahn on the floor for the ten count? Oh and he cant punch and if he could would of been the first man to stop kahn.

Gairy st claire, Career superfeather world champ at super feather and the fight looked like a sparring match.

Scott lawton, beat everytime he stepped up knocked out by thaxton fight before,

Michael gomez, Started as a featherweight still dropped kahn! had been in more wars than rambo when they fought oh and did i already say started as a feather and is away to fight ricky burns at superfeather next! so he was there for cash. not glory.


Prescott. First proper test imo and what happened

Marco antonio Barrera, If any person in the world thought that a young quote superstar of the ring was impressive in beating an ancient ring legend who started his career as a bantam! is more blind than barrera was for the fight with kahn. And barrera still rocked him a bit with a couple of punches!

One resounding fact about all of these fighters bar 1 (prescott) Is they came up from weights and if you coming up in weight you lose a bit of power, Or they just couldnt punch. This is kahns career. Not that impressive imo. If you have a good promoter they can make you look like the greatest. But that does not mean you are.

Bilbo what kahn are you talking about?

Sorry Feeney but I'm 100% with Bilbo on this.

What pretty much EVERYBODY seems to forget is that Khan is just 22 years old. 22 years old FFS!!!

At that age 90% of pro boxers haven't even registered on the radar yet. The difference with Khan is because of his Olympic success.Sure he's getting all the breaks and money boxers equally as good him never normally get, but he's under the microscope having every fight over examined and each opponent picked apart.

I hate to say it but Warren is just doing his job. Khan should be in with blown up FW's and nobodies, he needs to learn his trade first just like every other Pro boxer out there.

If when Bilbo asks to provide another resume from a 22 year old boxer that can rival Khan's and all that can be provided is PBF or Vargas - well, that just says it all doesn't it!

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Originally Posted by Conrad

Sorry Feeney but I'm 100% with Bilbo on this.

What pretty much EVERYBODY seems to forget is that Khan is just 22 years old. 22 years old FFS!!!

At that age 90% of pro boxers haven't even registered on the radar yet. The difference with Khan is because of his Olympic success.Sure he's getting all the breaks and money boxers equally as good him never normally get, but he's under the microscope having every fight over examined and each opponent picked apart.

I hate to say it but Warren is just doing his job. Khan should be in with blown up FW's and nobodies, he needs to learn his trade first just like every other Pro boxer out there.

If when Bilbo asks to provide another resume from a 22 year old boxer that can rival Khan's and all that can be provided is PBF or Vargas - well, that just says it all doesn't it!

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By the time Barrera was Khans age he had defended his world title 6 times. Khan hasnt even challenged for the British title yet and has already been knocked out by an unknown .

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Sorry Feeney but I'm 100% with Bilbo on this.

What pretty much EVERYBODY seems to forget is that Khan is just 22 years old. 22 years old FFS!!!

At that age 90% of pro boxers haven't even registered on the radar yet. The difference with Khan is because of his Olympic success.Sure he's getting all the breaks and money boxers equally as good him never normally get, but he's under the microscope having every fight over examined and each opponent picked apart.

I hate to say it but Warren is just doing his job. Khan should be in with blown up FW's and nobodies, he needs to learn his trade first just like every other Pro boxer out there.

If when Bilbo asks to provide another resume from a 22 year old boxer that can rival Khan's and all that can be provided is PBF or Vargas - well, that just says it all doesn't it!

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By the time Barrera was Khans age he had defended his world title 6 times. Khan hasnt even challenged for the British title yet and has already been knocked out by an unknown .

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:rolleyes: Yep so now we can add another all time great time, first ballot Hall of Fame probably one of the best 10 fighters in the last 15 years to the list that are performing better than Khan by the age of 22.

Why not throw Mike Tyson's name out there :rolleyes:

Seriously you guys are just making my point for me. The onlt fighters you can name with better resumes are Hall of Famers and NONE of them are 22 year old prospects now.

Please listen carefully to my question again.

If Khan is so poor and overatted and his resume sucks so bad please tell me all the fighters in the world who are the same age as Khan now, or younger and who have better resumes than he does.

And that's only the first part of the question. The second part was to find a fighter with a better resume and the same age as Khan AND who is also not seen as a super prospect and future world star.

Name ONE other 22 year fighter or younger in the world who holds a win over a AN ALL TIME GREAT AND LEGEND who only a couple years ago was in the top 5 p4p in the world and who has fought and gone the distance with the best two fighters on the planet in the last couple years.

Just point him out to me and you can shut me up.


All you people discrediting Khan's victory like it was nothing are just blind haters.

Yes, he's chinny, yes he's been carefully managed but he's also a super talent and potential world star of boxing.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by GAME

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Sorry Feeney but I'm 100% with Bilbo on this.

What pretty much EVERYBODY seems to forget is that Khan is just 22 years old. 22 years old FFS!!!

At that age 90% of pro boxers haven't even registered on the radar yet. The difference with Khan is because of his Olympic success.Sure he's getting all the breaks and money boxers equally as good him never normally get, but he's under the microscope having every fight over examined and each opponent picked apart.

I hate to say it but Warren is just doing his job. Khan should be in with blown up FW's and nobodies, he needs to learn his trade first just like every other Pro boxer out there.

If when Bilbo asks to provide another resume from a 22 year old boxer that can rival Khan's and all that can be provided is PBF or Vargas - well, that just says it all doesn't it!

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By the time Barrera was Khans age he had defended his world title 6 times. Khan hasnt even challenged for the British title yet and has already been knocked out by an unknown .

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:rolleyes: Yep so now we can add another all time great time, first ballot Hall of Fame probably one of the best 10 fighters in the last 15 years to the list that are performing better than Khan by the age of 22.

Why not throw Mike Tyson's name out there :rolleyes:

Seriously you guys are just making my point for me. The onlt fighters you can name with better resumes are Hall of Famers and NONE of them are 22 year old prospects now.

Please listen carefully to my question again.

If Khan is so poor and overatted and his resume sucks so bad please tell me all the fighters in the world who are the same age as Khan now, or younger and who have better resumes than he does.

And that's only the first part of the question. The second part was to find a fighter with a better resume and the same age as Khan AND who is also not seen as a super prospect and future world star.

Name ONE other 22 year fighter or younger in the world who holds a win over a AN ALL TIME GREAT AND LEGEND who only a couple years ago was in the top 5 p4p in the world and who has fought and gone the distance with the best two fighters on the planet in the last couple years.

Just point him out to me and you can shut me up.


All you people discrediting Khan's victory like it was nothing are just blind haters.

Yes, he's chinny, yes he's been carefully managed but he's also a super talent and potential world star of boxing.

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Can you name one fighter that has been given such undeserved opportunities though ? Thats why he is where he is. I cant think of anyone who was blown away in seconds by a nobody then given a shot to get an ATG on his record.

As for the name Barrera on his resume. People wont view that as a win because a headbutt stopped the fight . Should have been a NC not satisfactory at all. ( apart from to the Khan bummers)

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by GAME

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Sorry Feeney but I'm 100% with Bilbo on this.

What pretty much EVERYBODY seems to forget is that Khan is just 22 years old. 22 years old FFS!!!

At that age 90% of pro boxers haven't even registered on the radar yet. The difference with Khan is because of his Olympic success.Sure he's getting all the breaks and money boxers equally as good him never normally get, but he's under the microscope having every fight over examined and each opponent picked apart.

I hate to say it but Warren is just doing his job. Khan should be in with blown up FW's and nobodies, he needs to learn his trade first just like every other Pro boxer out there.

If when Bilbo asks to provide another resume from a 22 year old boxer that can rival Khan's and all that can be provided is PBF or Vargas - well, that just says it all doesn't it!

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By the time Barrera was Khans age he had defended his world title 6 times. Khan hasnt even challenged for the British title yet and has already been knocked out by an unknown .

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:rolleyes: Yep so now we can add another all time great time, first ballot Hall of Fame probably one of the best 10 fighters in the last 15 years to the list that are performing better than Khan by the age of 22.

Why not throw Mike Tyson's name out there :rolleyes:

Seriously you guys are just making my point for me. The onlt fighters you can name with better resumes are Hall of Famers and NONE of them are 22 year old prospects now.

Please listen carefully to my question again.

If Khan is so poor and overatted and his resume sucks so bad please tell me all the fighters in the world who are the same age as Khan now, or younger and who have better resumes than he does.

And that's only the first part of the question. The second part was to find a fighter with a better resume and the same age as Khan AND who is also not seen as a super prospect and future world star.

Name ONE other 22 year fighter or younger in the world who holds a win over a AN ALL TIME GREAT AND LEGEND who only a couple years ago was in the top 5 p4p in the world and who has fought and gone the distance with the best two fighters on the planet in the last couple years.

Just point him out to me and you can shut me up.


All you people discrediting Khan's victory like it was nothing are just blind haters.

Yes, he's chinny, yes he's been carefully managed but he's also a super talent and potential world star of boxing.

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Bilbo you know you're acting like a troll.

The only thing blind about this was Barrera from halfway in the 1st round.

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By the time Barrera was Khans age he had defended his world title 6 times. Khan hasnt even challenged for the British title yet and has already been knocked out by an unknown .

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:rolleyes: Yep so now we can add another all time great time, first ballot Hall of Fame probably one of the best 10 fighters in the last 15 years to the list that are performing better than Khan by the age of 22.

Why not throw Mike Tyson's name out there :rolleyes:

Seriously you guys are just making my point for me. The onlt fighters you can name with better resumes are Hall of Famers and NONE of them are 22 year old prospects now.

Please listen carefully to my question again.

If Khan is so poor and overatted and his resume sucks so bad please tell me all the fighters in the world who are the same age as Khan now, or younger and who have better resumes than he does.

And that's only the first part of the question. The second part was to find a fighter with a better resume and the same age as Khan AND who is also not seen as a super prospect and future world star.

Name ONE other 22 year fighter or younger in the world who holds a win over a AN ALL TIME GREAT AND LEGEND who only a couple years ago was in the top 5 p4p in the world and who has fought and gone the distance with the best two fighters on the planet in the last couple years.

Just point him out to me and you can shut me up.


All you people discrediting Khan's victory like it was nothing are just blind haters.

Yes, he's chinny, yes he's been carefully managed but he's also a super talent and potential world star of boxing.

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Can you name one fighter that has been given such undeserved opportunities though ? Thats why he is where he is. I cant think of anyone who was blown away in seconds by a nobody then given a shot to get an ATG on his record.

As for the name Barrera on his resume. People wont view that as a win because a headbutt stopped the fight . Should have been a NC not satisfactory at all. ( apart from to the Khan bummers)

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How is his opportunity undeserved, he's an Olympic Silver Medalist and one of the biggest names in British boxing. Marco Antonio Barrera needed Khan every bit as much as Khan needed him, that's why he was willing to come to the UK to fight him. Khan generates interest and therefore money.

Besides Barrera isn't a world champion and wasn't even rated at lightweight so what about Khan facing him is undeserved? Who did deserve the shot at Barrera in your eyes? :confused:

And besides Barrera what other undeserved opportunities did he have? Was he not ready to fight Willie Limond? Did he jump the cue for Graham Earl and Michael Gomez.

Before you were criticising him for not making the big fights now your criticising the biggest name on his record and saying he shouldn't have had the chance in the first place?

Bilbo. You know that was a shitty 'win'.

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By the time Barrera was Khans age he had defended his world title 6 times. Khan hasnt even challenged for the British title yet and has already been knocked out by an unknown .

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:rolleyes: Yep so now we can add another all time great time, first ballot Hall of Fame probably one of the best 10 fighters in the last 15 years to the list that are performing better than Khan by the age of 22.

Why not throw Mike Tyson's name out there :rolleyes:

Seriously you guys are just making my point for me. The onlt fighters you can name with better resumes are Hall of Famers and NONE of them are 22 year old prospects now.

Please listen carefully to my question again.

If Khan is so poor and overatted and his resume sucks so bad please tell me all the fighters in the world who are the same age as Khan now, or younger and who have better resumes than he does.

And that's only the first part of the question. The second part was to find a fighter with a better resume and the same age as Khan AND who is also not seen as a super prospect and future world star.

Name ONE other 22 year fighter or younger in the world who holds a win over a AN ALL TIME GREAT AND LEGEND who only a couple years ago was in the top 5 p4p in the world and who has fought and gone the distance with the best two fighters on the planet in the last couple years.

Just point him out to me and you can shut me up.


All you people discrediting Khan's victory like it was nothing are just blind haters.

Yes, he's chinny, yes he's been carefully managed but he's also a super talent and potential world star of boxing.

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Can you name one fighter that has been given such undeserved opportunities though ? Thats why he is where he is. I cant think of anyone who was blown away in seconds by a nobody then given a shot to get an ATG on his record.

As for the name Barrera on his resume. People wont view that as a win because a headbutt stopped the fight . Should have been a NC not satisfactory at all. ( apart from to the Khan bummers)

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What about Sammy Ventura and the bum he (MAB) fought before that? Were they more deserving thanh Khan?

I'm not sure what other underserved opportunities he's had? He's been brought along like every other prospect. Every other prospect has a list of fighters who have a low chance of defeating the prospect broken up by the occassional ex-champ, and in the case that the prospect is deemed something special, they may face a an exceptional former world champion who is well past his best.

After coming back against two bums, and a couple of years after losing widely to Pac and JMM, who the heck did you expect Barrera to get in the ring with?

Valero? - a Guy who has made the majority of his record fighting complete bums, broken up with the odd average fighter?

Juan Diaz - Was already fighting JMM so that wasn't possible.

Katsidis - What would be the point....off the back of two losses, only really has 1 decent win over Graham Earl - a result which Khan easily beat....considering Katsidis was almost ko'd himself.

Ali funeka and Nate Campbell wasn't possible for the date

It only leads a handful of fighters who are ranked in the top 15 really. A few of them are prospects who have no more right than Khan to face MAB. Guzman is the only other stand out name but what chance would MAB have in that fight?

heres a prospect for you bilbo hes a couple of years older than kahn has won domestic titles is undefeated with a very impressive resume win over an emerging superstar, And to add sugar to the win this emerging superstar that he knocked out in a round just beat a legend. His name is breidis prescott, 21-0 18ko's. This man lived above a shop had no access to the training and equipment kahn had but still took his chance and blew kahn away. Im am not a kahn hater hes brilliantly fast, good boxer, I dont feel he deserves the hype, As i said before a good promoter can take you along way and make people think your a superstar, make you appear to be one, But he isnt. If someone mentions kahns age again ill scream if hes that great age shouldnt matter, Tyson,naz,barrera, All won world titles at a young age and didnt carry olympic silver medals with them.

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:rolleyes: Yep so now we can add another all time great time, first ballot Hall of Fame probably one of the best 10 fighters in the last 15 years to the list that are performing better than Khan by the age of 22.

Why not throw Mike Tyson's name out there :rolleyes:

Seriously you guys are just making my point for me. The onlt fighters you can name with better resumes are Hall of Famers and NONE of them are 22 year old prospects now.

Please listen carefully to my question again.

If Khan is so poor and overatted and his resume sucks so bad please tell me all the fighters in the world who are the same age as Khan now, or younger and who have better resumes than he does.

And that's only the first part of the question. The second part was to find a fighter with a better resume and the same age as Khan AND who is also not seen as a super prospect and future world star.

Name ONE other 22 year fighter or younger in the world who holds a win over a AN ALL TIME GREAT AND LEGEND who only a couple years ago was in the top 5 p4p in the world and who has fought and gone the distance with the best two fighters on the planet in the last couple years.

Just point him out to me and you can shut me up.


All you people discrediting Khan's victory like it was nothing are just blind haters.

Yes, he's chinny, yes he's been carefully managed but he's also a super talent and potential world star of boxing.

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Can you name one fighter that has been given such undeserved opportunities though ? Thats why he is where he is. I cant think of anyone who was blown away in seconds by a nobody then given a shot to get an ATG on his record.

As for the name Barrera on his resume. People wont view that as a win because a headbutt stopped the fight . Should have been a NC not satisfactory at all. ( apart from to the Khan bummers)

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How is his opportunity undeserved, he's an Olympic Silver Medalist and one of the biggest names in British boxing. Marco Antonio Barrera needed Khan every bit as much as Khan needed him, that's why he was willing to come to the UK to fight him. Khan generates interest and therefore money.

Besides Barrera isn't a world champion and wasn't even rated at lightweight so what about Khan facing him is undeserved? Who did deserve the shot at Barrera in your eyes? :confused:

And besides Barrera what other undeserved opportunities did he have? Was he not ready to fight Willie Limond? Did he jump the cue for Graham Earl and Michael Gomez.

Before you were criticising him for not making the big fights now your criticising the biggest name on his record and saying he shouldn't have had the chance in the first place?

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If you think a guy who got beaten inside a minute by an unknown is more deserving of a superfight than someone who has paid their dues like Thaxton then thats fair enough . Thats all I needed to know about you . Lets leave it there .

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Can you name one fighter that has been given such undeserved opportunities though ? Thats why he is where he is. I cant think of anyone who was blown away in seconds by a nobody then given a shot to get an ATG on his record.

As for the name Barrera on his resume. People wont view that as a win because a headbutt stopped the fight . Should have been a NC not satisfactory at all. ( apart from to the Khan bummers)

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How is his opportunity undeserved, he's an Olympic Silver Medalist and one of the biggest names in British boxing. Marco Antonio Barrera needed Khan every bit as much as Khan needed him, that's why he was willing to come to the UK to fight him. Khan generates interest and therefore money.

Besides Barrera isn't a world champion and wasn't even rated at lightweight so what about Khan facing him is undeserved? Who did deserve the shot at Barrera in your eyes? :confused:

And besides Barrera what other undeserved opportunities did he have? Was he not ready to fight Willie Limond? Did he jump the cue for Graham Earl and Michael Gomez.

Before you were criticising him for not making the big fights now your criticising the biggest name on his record and saying he shouldn't have had the chance in the first place?

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If you think a guy who got beaten inside a minute by an unknown is more deserving of a superfight than someone who has paid their dues like Thaxton then thats fair enough . Thats all I needed to know about you . Lets leave it there .

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hahahahhahah I;d LOVE to hear Don King explain to Barrera why he's NOT going to the UK to fight Amir Khan, arguably the most well known face in British boxing, that he'll be on a PPV card will fight in a packed arena in front of thousands and that a win will catapault him straight into the title mix at lightweight, but instead is coming over to the hometown of Jon Thaxton, seriously mate get a clue. ;D

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Bilbo. You know that was a shitty 'win'.

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Yes the cut was very unfortunate Missy we all agree. I just get fed up with the haters who won't give Khan any credit.

It wasn't Khan's fault Barrera got cut, it wasn't deliberate, there heads both came together.

Knowing how much you love Amir, I'm sure if it was Khan who got the cut and then lost every round you and others wouldn't be on here running down Barrera and saying he proved nothing, that the fight should have been stopped etc.

Just give him a break is all I'm saying.

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How is his opportunity undeserved, he's an Olympic Silver Medalist and one of the biggest names in British boxing. Marco Antonio Barrera needed Khan every bit as much as Khan needed him, that's why he was willing to come to the UK to fight him. Khan generates interest and therefore money.

Besides Barrera isn't a world champion and wasn't even rated at lightweight so what about Khan facing him is undeserved? Who did deserve the shot at Barrera in your eyes? :confused:

And besides Barrera what other undeserved opportunities did he have? Was he not ready to fight Willie Limond? Did he jump the cue for Graham Earl and Michael Gomez.

Before you were criticising him for not making the big fights now your criticising the biggest name on his record and saying he shouldn't have had the chance in the first place?

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If you think a guy who got beaten inside a minute by an unknown is more deserving of a superfight than someone who has paid their dues like Thaxton then thats fair enough . Thats all I needed to know about you . Lets leave it there .

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hahahahhahah I;d LOVE to hear Don King explain to Barrera why he's NOT going to the UK to fight Amir Khan, arguably the most well known face in British boxing, that he'll be on a PPV card will fight in a packed arena in front of thousands and that a win will catapault him straight into the title mix at lightweight, but instead is coming over to the hometown of Jon Thaxton, seriously mate get a clue. ;D

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Youve totally missed the point. I didnt realise you were that stupid

I was saying Thaxton is more deserving not more marketable. It seems that your saying just because Khan is well known he "deserves" the opportunities over more accomplished boxers . Thats pretty sad Bilbo.

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Can you name one fighter that has been given such undeserved opportunities though ?

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Zab Judah for one, didn't deserve a rematch with Spinks, he got it and became welterweight champ. Gets beat by Baldomir and then somehow gets a shot at Floyd Mayweather Jr before him.

People need to stop acting like Khan is the only person to get benefit.

But as far as fighters who get sparked in seconds and get immediate opportunities afterwards. Wladimer Klitschko gets sparked in 2 rounds by Corrie Sanders. And then after fighting such beast heavyweights like Fabio Moli and Danell Nicholson gets a shot at the heavyweight title and gets sparked again. The difference is that nowadays when Wladimer got sparked he came back and won a world title and is now the heavyweight champion of the world. Him and Khan are both also olympians, you don't get there just being a nobody.

The point is its not about the opportunities you get its what you do with them. YES Khan got sparked in a few seconds but he came back and just beat Barerra. Just because you have sour grapes about how he won is no reason to take away from the accomplishment. He could have just folded it in, called it a career, or mentally never became the same fighter again. But what did he do when he was knocked out? He got a new trainer, he learned new things and he attempted to correct the mistakes and became a better fighter.

Khan should get credit for that and also for doing better then a lot of people thought he would against barerra. People want to hang on to the one or two times Barerra landed something hard in that fight. Ask yourselves honestly, if there was no cut was there any way that Barerra was gonna outbox Khan that night? He would have been toned down to have to try to land one big shot, which is basically what it came down to anyway, and the times he did Khan reacted and recovered well. There's no chance Barerra can win a rematch but people will follow that he would.

And when Khan wins the rematch if there is one people will just say he won because Barerra was shot or that Barerra should have retired after the first fight. If you think Barerra had any true chance in there of beating Khan considering both styles they brought to that fight then don't take credit away from Khan when where is a rematch and Khan wins again and there's nothing to hold on to to take credit away.

Vitali Klitschko had a worse cut against Lennox Lewis and he was actually WINNING.

People always say a fighter comes through the tough times through cuts and can win a fight and whenever a fighter can't do that people say he has no heart.

Yet Barerra who is a warrior of warriors he gets a cut and he gets a free pass because people don't want to give Khan credit. Gatti won fights with both of his eyes closed. Im sure fighters have come out of much worse circumstances then that and yet I bet their cuts aren't bitched about more then Barerra's is.

Just my :twocents:

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Can you name one fighter that has been given such undeserved opportunities though ?

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Zab Judah for one, didn't deserve a rematch with Spinks, he got it and became welterweight champ. Gets beat by Baldomir and then somehow gets a shot at Floyd Mayweather Jr before him.

People need to stop acting like Khan is the only person to get benefit.

But as far as fighters who get sparked in seconds and get immediate opportunities afterwards. Wladimer Klitschko gets sparked in 2 rounds by Corrie Sanders. And then after fighting such beast heavyweights like Fabio Moli and Danell Nicholson gets a shot at the heavyweight title and gets sparked again. The difference is that nowadays when Wladimer got sparked he came back and won a world title and is now the heavyweight champion of the world. Him and Khan are both also olympians, you don't get there just being a nobody.

The point is its not about the opportunities you get its what you do with them. YES Khan got sparked in a few seconds but he came back and just beat Barerra. Just because you have sour grapes about how he won is no reason to take away from the accomplishment. He could have just folded it in, called it a career, or mentally never became the same fighter again. But what did he do when he was knocked out? He got a new trainer, he learned new things and he attempted to correct the mistakes and became a better fighter.

Khan should get credit for that and also for doing better then a lot of people thought he would against barerra. People want to hang on to the one or two times Barerra landed something hard in that fight. Ask yourselves honestly, if there was no cut was there any way that Barerra was gonna outbox Khan that night? He would have been toned down to have to try to land one big shot, which is basically what it came down to anyway, and the times he did Khan reacted and recovered well. There's no chance Barerra can win a rematch but people will follow that he would.

And when Khan wins the rematch if there is one people will just say he won because Barerra was shot or that Barerra should have retired after the first fight. If you think Barerra had any true chance in there of beating Khan considering both styles they brought to that fight then don't take credit away from Khan when where is a rematch and Khan wins again and there's nothing to hold on to to take credit away.

Vitali Klitschko had a worse cut against Lennox Lewis and he was actually WINNING.

People always say a fighter comes through the tough times through cuts and can win a fight and whenever a fighter can't do that people say he has no heart.

Yet Barerra who is a warrior of warriors he gets a cut and he gets a free pass because people don't want to give Khan credit. Gatti won fights with both of his eyes closed. Im sure fighters have come out of much worse circumstances then that and yet I bet their cuts aren't bitched about more then Barerra's is.

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Firstly Zab wasnt knocked out in under a minute by an unknown before he got his shot.

How can I give Khan credit for winning when I dont think he won . To me a headbutt isnt legal even if you think it is so Barrera was stopped on cuts caused by a headbutt so that makes it a NC IMO

As for Lewis he cut Vitali with punches and the cut wasnt as Bad as Barreras. Plus Vitali could still see Barrera couldnt .

You can make this into a big for Khan if you want . We will just laugh at you.

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Can you name one fighter that has been given such undeserved opportunities though ?

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Zab Judah for one, didn't deserve a rematch with Spinks, he got it and became welterweight champ. Gets beat by Baldomir and then somehow gets a shot at Floyd Mayweather Jr before him.

People need to stop acting like Khan is the only person to get benefit.

But as far as fighters who get sparked in seconds and get immediate opportunities afterwards. Wladimer Klitschko gets sparked in 2 rounds by Corrie Sanders. And then after fighting such beast heavyweights like Fabio Moli and Danell Nicholson gets a shot at the heavyweight title and gets sparked again. The difference is that nowadays when Wladimer got sparked he came back and won a world title and is now the heavyweight champion of the world. Him and Khan are both also olympians, you don't get there just being a nobody.

The point is its not about the opportunities you get its what you do with them. YES Khan got sparked in a few seconds but he came back and just beat Barerra. Just because you have sour grapes about how he won is no reason to take away from the accomplishment. He could have just folded it in, called it a career, or mentally never became the same fighter again. But what did he do when he was knocked out? He got a new trainer, he learned new things and he attempted to correct the mistakes and became a better fighter.

Khan should get credit for that and also for doing better then a lot of people thought he would against barerra. People want to hang on to the one or two times Barerra landed something hard in that fight. Ask yourselves honestly, if there was no cut was there any way that Barerra was gonna outbox Khan that night? He would have been toned down to have to try to land one big shot, which is basically what it came down to anyway, and the times he did Khan reacted and recovered well. There's no chance Barerra can win a rematch but people will follow that he would.

And when Khan wins the rematch if there is one people will just say he won because Barerra was shot or that Barerra should have retired after the first fight. If you think Barerra had any true chance in there of beating Khan considering both styles they brought to that fight then don't take credit away from Khan when where is a rematch and Khan wins again and there's nothing to hold on to to take credit away.

Vitali Klitschko had a worse cut against Lennox Lewis and he was actually WINNING.

People always say a fighter comes through the tough times through cuts and can win a fight and whenever a fighter can't do that people say he has no heart.

Yet Barerra who is a warrior of warriors he gets a cut and he gets a free pass because people don't want to give Khan credit. Gatti won fights with both of his eyes closed. Im sure fighters have come out of much worse circumstances then that and yet I bet their cuts aren't bitched about more then Barerra's is.

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Firstly Zab wasnt knocked out in under a minute by an unknown before he got his shot.

How can I give Khan credit for winning when I dont think he won . To me a headbutt isnt legal even if you think it is so Barrera was stopped on cuts caused by a headbutt so that makes it a NC IMO

As for Lewis he cut Vitali with punches and the cut wasnt as Bad as Barreras. Plus Vitali could still see Barrera couldnt .

You can make this into a big for Khan if you want . We will just laugh at you.

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You're missing my point. I wasn't even comparing the situation in terms of whether the cuts i mentioned were headbutts and punches. I'm talking about it in terms of cuts in general.

And you can say that Zab wasn't knocked out by a nobody.

But there is NO way you could justify him losing to carlos baldomir and then still getting a match with floyd before him. You didn't mention my comment on Wladimer either, or Gatti.

I never said that I'm gonna turn this into a big Khan win. It's the biggest of his career though whether you like it or not. And he would have won the fight anyway cut or no cut.

What I wanted to touch on the most was this

People always say a fighter comes through the tough times through cuts and can win a fight and whenever a fighter can't do that people say he has no heart.

Yet Barerra who is a warrior of warriors he gets a cut and he gets a free pass because people don't want to give Khan credit. Gatti won fights with both of his eyes closed. Im sure fighters have come out of much worse circumstances then that and yet I bet their cuts aren't bitched about more then Barerra's is.

Which I think is absolutely true in this situation especially.

Tell me this GAME if the shoes were on the other foot, if Barerra was beating Khan in the first round before a headbutt Khan got cut and then Barerra dominated him for 5 rounds before the decision.

Would you be sitting there saying "Barerra didnt win, it wasn't legal"

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"Khan didn't have any heart anyway"

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If you think a guy who got beaten inside a minute by an unknown is more deserving of a superfight than someone who has paid their dues like Thaxton then thats fair enough . Thats all I needed to know about you . Lets leave it there .

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hahahahhahah I;d LOVE to hear Don King explain to Barrera why he's NOT going to the UK to fight Amir Khan, arguably the most well known face in British boxing, that he'll be on a PPV card will fight in a packed arena in front of thousands and that a win will catapault him straight into the title mix at lightweight, but instead is coming over to the hometown of Jon Thaxton, seriously mate get a clue. ;D

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Youve totally missed the point. I didnt realise you were that stupid

I was saying Thaxton is more deserving not more marketable. It seems that your saying just because Khan is well known he "deserves" the opportunities over more accomplished boxers . Thats pretty sad Bilbo.

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No offense but I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. What about Barrera's status is there that meant Khan needed to be deserving of fighting him. Barrera held no world title. Barrera wasn't even ranked. Add to that he had actually retired following back to back losses to Pacquaio and Marquez and then when he came back moved up into Amir's weight class what exactly did Amir need to be 'deserving' of him for?

It was a crossroads fight, a chance for both of them to get straight back into the picture and back onto the world scene with a potential end of the road risk for the loser.

Please understand this carefully, They BOTH NEEDED EACH OTHER EQUALLY.

Barrera came over here to fight Khan because he was the BEST option for Barrera to immediately rebuild his career and make an impact on the light weight title picture. The reason being, because Khan is an Olympic Silver Medalist (in boxing so is that not an achievement?) and is regarded around the world as one of the hottest prospects in boxing.

Doesn't Barrera, a boxing legend 'deserve' better than coming to England to fight Jon Thaxton?


Khan vs Barrera was inspired matchmaking, for BOTH men.

If Barrera had a world title maybe you could argue Khan shouldn't be getting the shot ahead of other's (like Prescott for example) but this wasn't for a belt, it was a cross roads fight.

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heres a prospect for you bilbo hes a couple of years older than kahn has won domestic titles is undefeated with a very impressive resume win over an emerging superstar, And to add sugar to the win this emerging superstar that he knocked out in a round just beat a legend. His name is breidis prescott, 21-0 18ko's. This man lived above a shop had no access to the training and equipment kahn had but still took his chance and blew kahn away. Im am not a kahn hater hes brilliantly fast, good boxer, I dont feel he deserves the hype, As i said before a good promoter can take you along way and make people think your a superstar, make you appear to be one, But he isnt. If someone mentions kahns age again ill scream if hes that great age shouldnt matter, Tyson,naz,barrera, All won world titles at a young age and didnt carry olympic silver medals with them.

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Presscot is 3 years and 7 months older than Amir Khan.

Let's go back and look at where Breidas was 3 years 7 months ago.

Well a quick look at boxrec shows that at the same as Khan is now Prescott was just coming off a big win by 5th round TKO over the much heralded 30-19 Jorge Luis Noriega Medrano (currently 31-21)

Prior to that he had got impressive wins over the following fighters.

Oscar Pineda 0-4
Alberto Martinez 0-2
Carlos Caudrado 0-4
Wilson Torres 0-3
Jason Palomeque 4-1 (now 11-3-1)
Caudrado again now 0-5
J Ceaser Perez 0-2
William Barros 0-5

So his of his first 8 opponents only 1 had ever won a professional fight :rolleyes:

They boasted a stellar record of 4-25-1

Now at the same age Amir has won an Olympic Silver Medal, he's beaten two former world champs including one of the p4p best fighters of the last 10 years. He's won the Commonwealth title, destroyed in a round the former world title challenger Graham Earl and beaten former British champ Michael Gomez.

Now you can pick apart every one of those fights if you want but you cannot possibly get around the fact that by age 22 Amir has achieved leaps and bounds above what Breidas Prescott did by the same age.

THAT'S why he gets all the media attention, that's why stars like Barrera want to fight him, because the boxing world recognise he a stunning talent, exciting to watch and can sell tickets.

Prescott gave his own career a massive shot in the arm with his one round destruction of Khan and will now be guided towards a hopeful title shot, but even with the win he still hasn't acomplished as much as Khan has now already, at age 22 and so Khan deserves any future opportunities that come his way.

Come on bilbo barrera didnt need kahn at all he had his number 2 wbo rating kahn had nothing, its obviouse warren paid barrera a fortune to come over and barrera thought he had a good chance of winning, as kahn has a glass jaw barrera may have caught kahn later in the fight, you never know. You cant blame kahn for the way he has been portrayed, Its warrens doing. One thing that has always annoyed me about kahn though is he says things like he was a legend and i beat him up. and makes big deals about beating lower opposition, fair enought if he went in beat murray, thaxton, a natural lightweight who is a threat. Then he could show off. I remember reading somwhere kahn saying he could beat mayweather over three rounds! Hes a twat caught up in his own hype and even getting blasted out in 50 seconds hasnt stopped his ego mouth. People like you bilbo are also caught up in his hype. He will never imo be a great champion if he ever wins a world belt. Because of his chin, People are saying (ok he has a glass jaw but.....) But nothing name an all time great who had a glass jaw? look at the big picture.

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Come on bilbo barrera didnt need kahn at all he had his number 2 wbo rating kahn had nothing, its obviouse warren paid barrera a fortune to come over and barrera thought he had a good chance of winning, as kahn has a glass jaw barrera may have caught kahn later in the fight, you never know. You cant blame kahn for the way he has been portrayed, Its warrens doing. One thing that has always annoyed me about kahn though is he says things like he was a legend and i beat him up. and makes big deals about beating lower opposition, fair enought if he went in beat murray, thaxton, a natural lightweight who is a threat. Then he could show off. I remember reading somwhere kahn saying he could beat mayweather over three rounds! Hes a twat caught up in his own hype and even getting blasted out in 50 seconds hasnt stopped his ego mouth. People like you bilbo are also caught up in his hype. He will never imo be a great champion if he ever wins a world belt. Because of his chin, People are saying (ok he has a glass jaw but.....) But nothing name an all time great who had a glass jaw? look at the big picture.

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Where have I said he will be an all time great? I just get fed up people just wishing him to fail and claiming that he's 'just hype'.

He's hyped for sure, no doubt, but he's hyped because he's super talented.

Look at Yuriorkis Gamboa, several years older than Khan, gets knocked down in virtually every fight as well, hasn't yet stepped up in class, but is still regarded (and rightly so) as a super talented prospect and one to watch.

If gamboa gets floored and stopped by an unknown, the chances are that Gamboa will still be the star of the pair, and rightly so. Why? Because he has proven skills and is ultra exciting, the same as Khan.

Those who are saying Thaxton has done more are missing the point. Khan in the eyes of even the biggest hater is a far better techinical boxer than Thaxton. His style is far more exciting, he has far more potential, and a far more saleable image than the 35 Thaxton who he know is decent domestic level and nothing more.

That's why Khan gets more breaks than the likes of Thaxton.

People don't want to see Barrera fight Thaxton, or Juan Diaz fight Thaxton, they want to see Amir fight Thaxton, becuase he has so much more talent, potential etc.

As for him being mouthy he's certainly no worse than any other fighters and more respectful than most.

I imagine he gets sick of all the constant criticism he gets and so tends to speak out in frustration at times.

And he is asbolutely in his right to say he thinks he would have stopped Barrera, if the roles were reveresed and Barrera said even if they hadn't stopped Khan for the cut you can see from the fact I dominated every round that I was going to knock him out anyway would anyone be arguing? Who would be sticking up for Khan saying well he just couldn't see for the cut.

He's a talented guy who has hardened himself to the criticism around him. Being constantly told he has a glass jaw and will be exposed he needs to build a tought mindset.

His attitude is completely right imo. I hope he gets Katsidis or John Murray next (lets remember Murray has made his name largely through calling out Amir) and I hope and expect him to beat them both.

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heres a prospect for you bilbo hes a couple of years older than kahn has won domestic titles is undefeated with a very impressive resume win over an emerging superstar, And to add sugar to the win this emerging superstar that he knocked out in a round just beat a legend. His name is breidis prescott, 21-0 18ko's. This man lived above a shop had no access to the training and equipment kahn had but still took his chance and blew kahn away. Im am not a kahn hater hes brilliantly fast, good boxer, I dont feel he deserves the hype, As i said before a good promoter can take you along way and make people think your a superstar, make you appear to be one, But he isnt. If someone mentions kahns age again ill scream if hes that great age shouldnt matter, Tyson,naz,barrera, All won world titles at a young age and didnt carry olympic silver medals with them.

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Presscot is 3 years and 7 months older than Amir Khan.

Let's go back and look at where Breidas was 3 years 7 months ago.

Well a quick look at boxrec shows that at the same as Khan is now Prescott was just coming off a big win by 5th round TKO over the much heralded 30-19 Jorge Luis Noriega Medrano (currently 31-21)

Prior to that he had got impressive wins over the following fighters.

Oscar Pineda 0-4
Alberto Martinez 0-2
Carlos Caudrado 0-4
Wilson Torres 0-3
Jason Palomeque 4-1 (now 11-3-1)
Caudrado again now 0-5
J Ceaser Perez 0-2
William Barros 0-5

So his of his first 8 opponents only 1 had ever won a professional fight :rolleyes:

They boasted a stellar record of 4-25-1

Now at the same age Amir has won an Olympic Silver Medal, he's beaten two former world champs including one of the p4p best fighters of the last 10 years. He's won the Commonwealth title, destroyed in a round the former world title challenger Graham Earl and beaten former British champ Michael Gomez.

Now you can pick apart every one of those fights if you want but you cannot possibly get around the fact that by age 22 Amir has achieved leaps and bounds above what Breidas Prescott did by the same age.

THAT'S why he gets all the media attention, that's why stars like Barrera want to fight him, because the boxing world recognise he a stunning talent, exciting to watch and can sell tickets.

Prescott gave his own career a massive shot in the arm with his one round destruction of Khan and will now be guided towards a hopeful title shot, but even with the win he still hasn't acomplished as much as Khan has now already, at age 22 and so Khan deserves any future opportunities that come his way.

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Like i said a good promoter can take you a long way. Giving you hype, tv coverage, hand picked opponents who are smaller than you, giving you chances you really dont deserve, Making you look the bizz. Hes had one proper test and failed. And warren put his hands up and said it was his mistake. when he goes in against prescottt and beats him ill shut up. And surely prescott baeting the man who acheived all the things you listed makes him a hotter property, Im sure if you stuck half the people kahn fought and beat against prescott he would beat them 2. Kahn imo has done 1 good thing in his career won a silver medal. 2nd prize remember. Everything else he has won or done as a pro can be viewed as tarnished. Kahn can never be let off the leash he has no chin. Whats goign to happen when a big puncher wants his title if he gets one. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 hes out.

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heres a prospect for you bilbo hes a couple of years older than kahn has won domestic titles is undefeated with a very impressive resume win over an emerging superstar, And to add sugar to the win this emerging superstar that he knocked out in a round just beat a legend. His name is breidis prescott, 21-0 18ko's. This man lived above a shop had no access to the training and equipment kahn had but still took his chance and blew kahn away. Im am not a kahn hater hes brilliantly fast, good boxer, I dont feel he deserves the hype, As i said before a good promoter can take you along way and make people think your a superstar, make you appear to be one, But he isnt. If someone mentions kahns age again ill scream if hes that great age shouldnt matter, Tyson,naz,barrera, All won world titles at a young age and didnt carry olympic silver medals with them.

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Presscot is 3 years and 7 months older than Amir Khan.

Let's go back and look at where Breidas was 3 years 7 months ago.

Well a quick look at boxrec shows that at the same as Khan is now Prescott was just coming off a big win by 5th round TKO over the much heralded 30-19 Jorge Luis Noriega Medrano (currently 31-21)

Prior to that he had got impressive wins over the following fighters.

Oscar Pineda 0-4
Alberto Martinez 0-2
Carlos Caudrado 0-4
Wilson Torres 0-3
Jason Palomeque 4-1 (now 11-3-1)
Caudrado again now 0-5
J Ceaser Perez 0-2
William Barros 0-5

So his of his first 8 opponents only 1 had ever won a professional fight :rolleyes:

They boasted a stellar record of 4-25-1

Now at the same age Amir has won an Olympic Silver Medal, he's beaten two former world champs including one of the p4p best fighters of the last 10 years. He's won the Commonwealth title, destroyed in a round the former world title challenger Graham Earl and beaten former British champ Michael Gomez.

Now you can pick apart every one of those fights if you want but you cannot possibly get around the fact that by age 22 Amir has achieved leaps and bounds above what Breidas Prescott did by the same age.

THAT'S why he gets all the media attention, that's why stars like Barrera want to fight him, because the boxing world recognise he a stunning talent, exciting to watch and can sell tickets.

Prescott gave his own career a massive shot in the arm with his one round destruction of Khan and will now be guided towards a hopeful title shot, but even with the win he still hasn't acomplished as much as Khan has now already, at age 22 and so Khan deserves any future opportunities that come his way.

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Like i said a good promoter can take you a long way. Giving you hype, tv coverage, hand picked opponents who are smaller than you, giving you chances you really dont deserve, Making you look the bizz. Hes had one proper test and failed. And warren put his hands up and said it was his mistake. when he goes in against prescottt and beats him ill shut up. And surely prescott baeting the man who acheived all the things you listed makes him a hotter property, Im sure if you stuck half the people kahn fought and beat against prescott he would beat them 2. Kahn imo has done 1 good thing in his career won a silver medal. 2nd prize remember. Everything else he has won or done as a pro can be viewed as tarnished. Kahn can never be let off the leash he has no chin. Whats goign to happen when a big puncher wants his title if he gets one. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 hes out.

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I just showed you Prescott's early career. He had FAR more handpicked opponents than Khan did.

Prescott beat Khan that's true but he's 3 and a half years older and has that win aside has not achieved anything like as much as Khan has by age 22.

And Prescott clearly isn't the hottest property any more as Amir has bounced back to beat a legend whilst Prescott laboured to a boring win by DQ over a journeyman.

Whether you like Khan or not nobody can deny that his fights are always exciting, the Gomez and Limond fights were wars, his beatdowns of Fagin and Earl were brutal, his total domination of a legend in Barrera shocking.

People want to watch him fight, whether they want to watch him win or not they still watch his fights.

And you keep going on about how protected he is but again nobody has answered the questioned yet as to name me all the other fighters of 22 years and younger who have much better records than he does.

Linares won a world title at about 22 I believe, of course he is fully expected to be great and to dominate his weight class in the future.

Who else? If he's so protected with such a padded record then surely any decent 22 year old prospect out there will have a much better record so just run a few names off for me.

The Peterson brothers are 24 and 25, Victor Ortiz is a mega prospect and a few months older than Khan, of course great things are expected of him, certainly no one criticises his padded record even though he has no hall of famers in his W column.

Gamboa is 27, so where are these other 22 year overlooked prospects with better records than Khan but who don't get the attention and fights that he gets?

Your not getting it bilbo its not how good you are its who you know and who your promoter is, Kahn has been given these chances because of his promoter, Look at all the best brit fighters in the las 10 years, Hatton, Calzaghe, Naz, All had warren as their promoter. He brought them the fights. He brought them the chances, At least he could take a few risks with these three fighters but warren is a smart man and is hand picking every one of kahns fights. Cant believe you said he destroyed a legend in barrera, He didnt even win with a punch! It was a headbutt! You go ahead and believe the hype and keep thinking kahn is the next best thing. And the next time kahn gets knocked out remember you can have all the talent in the world, But boxing requires hitting each other dishing it out and taking it. Kahn can dish it out, But cant take it. As his hand picked record suggests.

A list of successful young men for you Bilbo. They arent all 22 but relax about the age Kahn in the scheme of things hasnt acheived all that much for almost being 23.

John murray. WBC youth champ, British champ, English champ,

Paul appleby. British champ in his 12th fight Beat good fighters and is only 21

Don broadhurst. Commenwealth champ after 9 fights

Jorge lanares. 2 Weight world champ at 23.

Victor ortiz. Impressive wins over maussa and arnautois. Wbo nabo titlist, Number 12 in the world.

Kell brook. British champ, defended title with ease against decent opposition I think hes just as exciting as kahn. 22

Saul alvarez. Take a look at this kids record. 25-0 18kos. Only 18.

James kirkland. 25-0 22 kos Away to fight for the wbo title at middle 24years old.

Nathan cleverly. 22. Commenwealth champ beat oakey easily for title, Although has had some easier oppositon. Guess who his promoter is?

Anselmo moreno. 23. number 2 in the world. WBA world champion.
Theres a couple of fighters bilbo who are young and have acheived just as much if not
more than kahn. Lets leave it there.

I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute. :rolleyes:

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I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute. :rolleyes:

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I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

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Your not getting it bilbo its not how good you are its who you know and who your promoter is, Kahn has been given these chances because of his promoter, Look at all the best brit fighters in the las 10 years, Hatton, Calzaghe, Naz, All had warren as their promoter. He brought them the fights. He brought them the chances, At least he could take a few risks with these three fighters but warren is a smart man and is hand picking every one of kahns fights. Cant believe you said he destroyed a legend in barrera, He didnt even win with a punch! It was a headbutt! You go ahead and believe the hype and keep thinking kahn is the next best thing. And the next time kahn gets knocked out remember you can have all the talent in the world, But boxing requires hitting each other dishing it out and taking it. Kahn can dish it out, But cant take it. As his hand picked record suggests.

A list of successful young men for you Bilbo. They arent all 22 but relax about the age Kahn in the scheme of things hasnt acheived all that much for almost being 23.

John murray. WBC youth champ, British champ, English champ,

Paul appleby. British champ in his 12th fight Beat good fighters and is only 21

Don broadhurst. Commenwealth champ after 9 fights

Jorge lanares. 2 Weight world champ at 23.

Victor ortiz. Impressive wins over maussa and arnautois. Wbo nabo titlist, Number 12 in the world.

Kell brook. British champ, defended title with ease against decent opposition I think hes just as exciting as kahn. 22

Saul alvarez. Take a look at this kids record. 25-0 18kos. Only 18.

James kirkland. 25-0 22 kos Away to fight for the wbo title at middle 24years old.

Nathan cleverly. 22. Commenwealth champ beat oakey easily for title, Although has had some easier oppositon. Guess who his promoter is?

Anselmo moreno. 23. number 2 in the world. WBA world champion.
Theres a couple of fighters bilbo who are young and have acheived just as much if not
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Why is any of that Khans fault and it just proves how good and clever a promoter Warren is;)

Let's not forget that Amir was an Olympic silver medalist and had huge hype surrounding him from then on add to that he's a British born muslim who proudly wares the Union Jack on his shorts and the appeal is massive (esp in this day and age)
He sells tickets because he's exciting to watch and chinny with it.
Again is that Khans fault?
I interviewed Amir for Saddo's before he even turned pro and the place was mobbed and we had to wait ages just to get near him.
Can you say that about any of the fighters you have listed?

The facts are he dominated Barrera for every second of that fight and was way,way too much for him.
The cut happened by accident but history will always state that Amir won and dominated that fight and looked superb in doing so.

If Amirs chin was'nt suspect every single one of us would agree he is destined to win a world title but i think he will anyway and he really is a potent force now under Freddie Roach and i don't see how anyone cannot see that.

Khan won me over again on Saturday and peformed brilliantly so i'm back on side with him and Barrera had the option to bail out from rounds 2-4 when that cut was bleeding just the same as it was in the fifth.
More fool Barrera for trying to be the "Warrior" and car.ry on really...he knows the rules and should have bailed out inside 4 rounds or his corner should have forced him to
Bad move and his pride has cost him his future.

I've watched it 3 times now and Barrera just wasn't allowed to get his punches off and was being bullied by the bigger stronger and faster man.

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I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute. :rolleyes:

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I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

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Listen to his talk after the fight. Read how a major section of media is kissing his ass and hardly mention the cut. I read one report where they even said the old cut had opened up. I don't believe they even watched the fight then you may get an idea of how annoyed people are.

He 'won' and acts like it was a good fair fight. It wasn't. He gets criticism because of his mouth & youth has nothing to do with it. And it's not the fact you're sticking up for him it's the way you're doing it. Being a mod has nothing to do with it either and you've played devils advocate many times before.

Bilbo put on an eyepatch and see how it affects your vision, now try moving round and boxing, better still I'll come and punch you in the head.

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Your not getting it bilbo its not how good you are its who you know and who your promoter is, Kahn has been given these chances because of his promoter, Look at all the best brit fighters in the las 10 years, Hatton, Calzaghe, Naz, All had warren as their promoter. He brought them the fights. He brought them the chances, At least he could take a few risks with these three fighters but warren is a smart man and is hand picking every one of kahns fights. Cant believe you said he destroyed a legend in barrera, He didnt even win with a punch! It was a headbutt! You go ahead and believe the hype and keep thinking kahn is the next best thing. And the next time kahn gets knocked out remember you can have all the talent in the world, But boxing requires hitting each other dishing it out and taking it. Kahn can dish it out, But cant take it. As his hand picked record suggests.

A list of successful young men for you Bilbo. They arent all 22 but relax about the age Kahn in the scheme of things hasnt acheived all that much for almost being 23.

John murray. WBC youth champ, British champ, English champ,

Paul appleby. British champ in his 12th fight Beat good fighters and is only 21

Don broadhurst. Commenwealth champ after 9 fights

Jorge lanares. 2 Weight world champ at 23.

Victor ortiz. Impressive wins over maussa and arnautois. Wbo nabo titlist, Number 12 in the world.

Kell brook. British champ, defended title with ease against decent opposition I think hes just as exciting as kahn. 22

Saul alvarez. Take a look at this kids record. 25-0 18kos. Only 18.

James kirkland. 25-0 22 kos Away to fight for the wbo title at middle 24years old.

Nathan cleverly. 22. Commenwealth champ beat oakey easily for title, Although has had some easier oppositon. Guess who his promoter is?

Anselmo moreno. 23. number 2 in the world. WBA world champion.
Theres a couple of fighters bilbo who are young and have acheived just as much if not
more than kahn. Lets leave it there.

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Why is any of that Khans fault and it just proves how good and clever a promoter Warren is;)

Let's not forget that Amir was an Olympic silver medalist and had huge hype surrounding him from then on add to that he's a British born muslim who proudly wares the Union Jack on his shorts and the appeal is massive (esp in this day and age)
He sells tickets because he's exciting to watch and chinny with it.
Again is that Khans fault?
I interviewed Amir for Saddo's before he even turned pro and the place was mobbed and we had to wait ages just to get near him.
Can you say that about any of the fighters you have listed?

The facts are he dominated Barrera for every second of that fight and was way,way too much for him.
The cut happened by accident but history will always state that Amir won and dominated that fight and looked superb in doing so.

If Amirs chin was'nt suspect every single one of us would agree he is destined to win a world title but i think he will anyway and he really is a potent force now under Freddie Roach and i don't see how anyone cannot see that.

Khan won me over again on Saturday and peformed brilliantly so i'm back on side with him and Barrera had the option to bail out from rounds 2-4 when that cut was bleeding just the same as it was in the fifth.
More fool Barrera for trying to be the "Warrior" and car.ry on really...he knows the rules and should have bailed out inside 4 rounds or his corner should have forced him to
Bad move and his pride has cost him his future.

I've watched it 3 times now and Barrera just wasn't allowed to get his punches off and was being bullied by the bigger stronger and faster man.

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to which rules were they working? If the corner had retired their fighter would that have meant a loss anyway? Surely it's only if the dr/ref wave it off before the 5th does it count as NC.

As I said in another thread I believe they knew they had to continue and try for the KO before it got stopped.

I'm sick of saying it. We learnt nothing from a fight that lasted approximately 90seconds. It's BS.

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I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute. :rolleyes:

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I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

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I have been reading some of your posts about it and that is why I decided to ask you outright your perceptions of what happened in the fight. What you have presented here are some well reasoned points and I appreciate that. We can both agree that the win was not a satisfactory one and that Barrera was indeed up against it with the cut.

I understand what you are saying about Khan. He does attract a lot of critisism. Prior to this bout I really didnt care to much about Khan. Thats not to say I disliked him I just didnt know too much about him. My own dislike has come from comments he himself seems to have made about the fight. In particular his talk of "brutally" knocking out Barrera within two or three rounds more. I find that kind of talk lacks class and respect for a great opponent, who, as you agree was really up against from the second minute onwards. Of course, he cannot be blamed for the headbutt. Likewise, he does not dictate whether Barrera continues or not. My own issues lay with the officials. And I maintain that they did a frightful job. I find it hard to take issue with Barrera himself, after all since when has he ever quit? It's just not something he would do.

Anyway. I will stop there before I start repeating myself which I seem to have done a fair bit these past few days. ;)

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I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute. :rolleyes:

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I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

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I have been reading some of your posts about it and that is why I decided to ask you outright your perceptions of what happened in the fight. What you have presented here are some well reasoned points and I appreciate that. We can both agree that the win was not a satisfactory one and that Barrera was indeed up against it with the cut.

I understand what you are saying about Khan. He does attract a lot of critisism. Prior to this bout I really didnt care to much about Khan. Thats not to say I disliked him I just didnt know too much about him. My own dislike has come from comments he himself seems to have made about the fight. In particular his talk of "brutally" knocking out Barrera within two or three rounds more. I find that kind of talk lacks class and respect for a great opponent, who, as you agree was really up against from the second minute onwards. Of course, he cannot be blamed for the headbutt. Likewise, he does not dictate whether Barrera continues or not. My own issues lay with the officials. And I maintain that they did a frightful job. I find it hard to take issue with Barrera himself, after all since when has he ever quit? It's just not something he would do.

Anyway. I will stop there before I start repeating myself which I seem to have done a fair bit these past few days. ;)

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I'm kinda done with talking about this fight, but on that one point there Miles, Khan did not actually say that. The AP, Reuters press did not use that word. It was the same exact quote, but the word 'brutally' seems to have been added in by the BBC journalist. Also all other initial reports in the paper didn't use that word. Yes, Khan did say he thinks he would've knocked him out in another few rounds, but I'm sorry that is no different to Barrera getting hit and stumbling back to the ropes, and then saying afterwards that Khan's punches didn't hurt him. So let's stop with the stuff about how he said he would 'brutally' do it, because it was the BBC taking journalistic license with his words. Read the AP & Reuters releases of his statement for an accurate representation or find the post-fight press conference where you will see what he said.

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I won't get into the debate that Bilbo is having with Feeney. But Bilbo I'm surprised you can be so flippant about the Khan: Barrera fight. Calzaghe: Lacy was a dominant win, this however was a tarnished fight almost from start to finish. I don't understand how you can look at it as though it was some kind of masterclass, when it was spoiled so blatantly by that clash of heads in the second minute. :rolleyes:

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I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

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Listen to his talk after the fight. Read how a major section of media is kissing his ass and hardly mention the cut. I read one report where they even said the old cut had opened up. I don't believe they even watched the fight then you may get an idea of how annoyed people are.

He 'won' and acts like it was a good fair fight. It wasn't. He gets criticism because of his mouth & youth has nothing to do with it. And it's not the fact you're sticking up for him it's the way you're doing it. Being a mod has nothing to do with it either and you've played devils advocate many times before.

Bilbo put on an eyepatch and see how it affects your vision, now try moving round and boxing, better still I'll come and punch you in the head.

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In what way am I doing it exactly? Have I been rude to anybody? Have I neg repped anybody and called them an asshole? Have I even started a single thread about Amir Khan?

I've just responded to all those who are saying he's rubbish, that he's a fraud, that his performance against Barrera was meaningless, that he'll get battered and rightly so when he steps up in class etc.

Please point out to me any of my posts that are less reasonable than Smash's directly above this? :confused:

As I see it your the one neg repping, talking about people being trolls, creating posts where you 'giggle' at the idea of Khan beating anyone who doesn't have more than one eye and who isn't fighting with a broken leg.

I think you're trolling if anyone, at least my debates with Miles and Feeney have been polite, no personal insults, no neg reps exchanged etc

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I'm not Miles, it was a very unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight. Nobody likes to see a fight ruined by a cut and of course Barrera was handicapped right from the start.

But why is any of that Amir's fault? Do you think Amir was to blame for the headbutt? Did he butt Barrera deliberately? Is it Amir's responsibility to decide whether Barrera fights on or not?

What did Khan do exactly that necessitates all this build up of hate towards him? He did what set out to, he won the fight, he used his skills and speed to make sure Barrera couldn't get off and won every round on all cards, (actually think one was scored even).

The cut was very unfortunate but it's not Khan's fault. I am actually shocked at how little respect he gets on here, to the point where Missy, a mod can accuse me of trolling just because I stick up for him.

You can issues with the cut and whether it should have been stopped, but there's no reason to denigrate the winner to the extent that people have.

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I have been reading some of your posts about it and that is why I decided to ask you outright your perceptions of what happened in the fight. What you have presented here are some well reasoned points and I appreciate that. We can both agree that the win was not a satisfactory one and that Barrera was indeed up against it with the cut.

I understand what you are saying about Khan. He does attract a lot of critisism. Prior to this bout I really didnt care to much about Khan. Thats not to say I disliked him I just didnt know too much about him. My own dislike has come from comments he himself seems to have made about the fight. In particular his talk of "brutally" knocking out Barrera within two or three rounds more. I find that kind of talk lacks class and respect for a great opponent, who, as you agree was really up against from the second minute onwards. Of course, he cannot be blamed for the headbutt. Likewise, he does not dictate whether Barrera continues or not. My own issues lay with the officials. And I maintain that they did a frightful job. I find it hard to take issue with Barrera himself, after all since when has he ever quit? It's just not something he would do.

Anyway. I will stop there before I start repeating myself which I seem to have done a fair bit these past few days. ;)

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I'm kinda done with talking about this fight, but on that one point there Miles, Khan did not actually say that. The AP, Reuters press did not use that word. It was the same exact quote, but the word 'brutally' seems to have been added in by the BBC journalist. Also all other initial reports in the paper didn't use that word. Yes, Khan did say he thinks he would've knocked him out in another few rounds, but I'm sorry that is no different to Barrera getting hit and stumbling back to the ropes, and then saying afterwards that Khan's punches didn't hurt him. So let's stop with the stuff about how he said he would 'brutally' do it, because it was the BBC taking journalistic license with his words. Read the AP & Reuters releases of his statement for an accurate representation or find the post-fight press conference where you will see what he said.

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Thanks for pointing that out. I will look into that. It seems the media have taken license in a lot of ways with this fight. They have misrepresented the fight and possibly even misrepresented Khan himself with his own statements.

In defense of Barrera though, if you cannot quite see what is happening then you will get pushed onto the ropes. I don't actually see any point at which Khan hurt Barrera with an actual punch. Even on the ropes only a few punches are actually landing. It is my perception that Barrera is telling the truth. But I would also imagine that the actual cut didn't feel too nice either. :-\

Even if Khan didn't say the word brutal, it is still pretty rude for Khan to say he would have stopped Marco. Despite the odds, Barrera was still in there and he would not have given up. I find it hard to imagine Khan stopping Barrera, let alone brutally. But there you go.

as I've explained before. It's how you have consistently weighted your argument, here and elsewhere to play down the fact that Barrera was severely handicapped by the cut from the first round onwards, he also hurt Khan. What I have read is how great Khan looked or how dominant he was.

If you or anyone else believes that he looked great pay equal attention the circumstances that made it so.
If he were so great and Barrera such a sloth he shouldn't have been able to touch him, fact is he did despite the serious disadvantage he was under.

Why should he get credit for not very much at all? Certainly not the way it's been ladled on him by the press.

If you make references to my favourite boxer having parkinsons disease then I reserve the right to neg rep you or anyone else and I don't have to justify it. Stop trying to play the wide-eyed innocent here.

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as I've explained before. It's how you have consistently weighted your argument, here and elsewhere to play down the fact that Barrera was severely handicapped by the cut from the first round onwards, he also hurt Khan. What I have read is how great Khan looked or how dominant he was.

If you or anyone else believes that he looked great pay equal attention the circumstances that made it so.
If he were so great and Barrera such a sloth he shouldn't have been able to touch him, fact is he did despite the serious disadvantage he was under.

Why should he get credit for not very much at all? Certainly not the way it's been ladled on him by the press.

If you make references to my favourite boxer having parkinsons disease then I reserve the right to neg rep you or anyone else and I don't have to justify it. Stop trying to play the wide-eyed innocent here.

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He did look great, and I DO think the cut was unfortunate. If you don't want me to play down the cut then don't play down Amir's performance.

When I have been disrespectful about Barrera? When have you been respectful towards Amir Khan?

As for making reference to Ali having Parkinsons, Violent D said Barrera was so shot a win over him was the same as Berbick's over Ali's, when he WAS already showing effects of Parkinsons.

So I challenged the view that Barrera is as shot now as a Parkinons's affected Ali.

How is that offensive to Ali in any way shape or form?

yawn, sigh, circles. I will answer your post but unless I read anything that presents a new point of view I feel I'm waisting my time.

I'm pretty much always disrespectful towards Amir Khan because I'm too used to seeing hype and people making excuses for youthful gobshite.


There is nothing more to say than this.

It is easy to look good against someone who is fighting blind.............

& I don't think he looked that good against a blind man.

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yawn, sigh, circles. I will answer your post but unless I read anything that presents a new point of view I feel I'm waisting my time.

I'm pretty much always disrespectful towards Amir Khan because I'm too used to seeing hype and people making excuses for youthful gobshite.


There is nothing more to say than this.

It is easy to look good against someone who is fighting blind.............

& I don't think he looked that good against a blind man.

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So now you admit your disrespectful towards a boxer because you don't like him yet I'm the boring, repetitive troll poster because I like him?

For the record I've not dissed any fighter and havn't made any negative comments about Barrera (or Ali for that matter) I've just said everyone should get off Khan's case.

As for not presenting a different point of view, my view is and always has been that the cut was not Amir's fault, he put on a great display and doesn't deserve to be slated and disrespected because his opponent was cut accidently.

Where was the outrage against Peter Manfredo when Sergio Mora suffered a horrible cut in their rematch? Or the hate posts about Morales when Manny got cut in the first of their trilogy?

People are moaning simply becuase they dislike Amir Khan and are angry that he won, and especially so because Barrera was cut.

But none of that is Khan's fault.


Can you not admit that your annoyance towards me is mostly because of your dislike of Amir Khan. If I'd have made the exact same posts defending a fighter you actually liked you'd just be agreeing with me.

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yawn, sigh, circles. I will answer your post but unless I read anything that presents a new point of view I feel I'm waisting my time.

I'm pretty much always disrespectful towards Amir Khan because I'm too used to seeing hype and people making excuses for youthful gobshite.


There is nothing more to say than this.

It is easy to look good against someone who is fighting blind.............

& I don't think he looked that good against a blind man.

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So now you admit your disrespectful towards a boxer because you don't like him yet I'm the boring, repetitive troll poster because I like him?

For the record I've not dissed any fighter and havn't made any negative comments about Barrera (or Ali for that matter) I've just said everyone should get off Khan's case.

As for not presenting a different point of view, my view is and always has been that the cut was not Amir's fault, he put on a great display and doesn't deserve to be slated and disrespected because his opponent was cut accidently.

Where was the outrage against Peter Manfredo when Sergio Mora suffered a horrible cut in their rematch? Or the hate posts about Morales when Manny got cut in the first of their trilogy?

People are moaning simply becuase they dislike Amir Khan and are angry that he won, and especially so because Barrera was cut.

But none of that is Khan's fault.


Can you not admit that your annoyance towards me is mostly because of your dislike of Amir Khan. If I'd have made the exact same posts defending a fighter you actually liked you'd just be agreeing with me.

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I've not hated on Morales, think he's a bit dim but I quite like him :cool:...if it weren't for Barrera he could have been 'my' adopted fighter but it wasn't meant to be...Pac fans yes but not Morales. How is it related? His cut was not worse than Barreras, admit that.

Lots of people/boxers & things I don't like, lots of boxers I have no great feelings for or against - who said I have to?

My annoyance is as stated above.

Bad ref, bad decision not a win in mine and many peoples eyes regardless of who the opposition is.
Khan is not some superkid. Not chin and no power at world level. That is a fact.

Like I said this is going in circles. Waste of time. If anyone else wants to play 'let's keep posting till one us dies' with you they can.