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Can you imagine if he somehow figured out how to attach broken glass (invisible broken glass :cool:) to the outside of his gloves? Two years suspension.
Seriously, people can argue whether he didn't know or whether it was the first time but there's no argument that some cheating wasn't going on. I don't know the science but Capatillo didn't accidentally knock over the jars of calcium and sulfur, that every good trainer keeps lying around, having them fall into Tony's handwraps.
Or maybe that's how it went?
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Kickboxer was good but it was no bloodsport.
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I was thinking of evidence a little more impartial than Richardson's opinion
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The way they’re in the padding, the impact on the gloves as the rounds go on would get you closer to the plaster. So, later you would be punching harder than you were actually punching earlier.
This would happen with normal wraps what I want to know is how much these pads could improved his punch if at all
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Thanks for the address. I already mailed my letter. :D
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Why would they do if it didn't help?
Why would they put plaster in that only kind of helped his punching power?
Some have said they did it because of hand injuries, still cheating, still dangerous.
There's no logical defense for it now, I actually checked out two other forums (not Eastside) and were the only one actually having a debate on whether or not he was really cheating, LOL.
Cause its not a very difficult judgment once the reports come back saying that he cheated. The only defense is he didn't know.
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OumaFan
Why would they do if it didn't help?
Why would they put plaster in that only kind of helped his punching power?
Some have said they did it because of hand injuries, still cheating, still dangerous.
There's no logical defense for it now, I actually checked out two other forums (not Eastside) and were the only one actually having a debate on whether or not he was really cheating, LOL.
Cause its not a very difficult judgment once the reports come back saying that he cheated. The only defense is he didn't know.
I have full confidence that the Board will proceed without haste and come to a ruling that is warranted for the alleged accusation.
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sonny78
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Macho
Well , that is an a great Deception for the most of fans in Sport of Boxing , we as a fans cant allow this kind of action , i know that there are a lot of fans that are really disappointed or deception of this " Criminal " , cause i cant say his name anymore , but also might have some fans that don't believe this yet , i suggest to them that open their minds .....
To me this " Criminal " have to be condemned and banned from Sport of Boxing ...............:mad:
You go on like he raped your mum
until we have seen any evidence and know how damaging the wraps were how can you ban him
Hey buddy look im not going put my mind with yours , little Boy , first you have to respect opinions from any others members , if you dont know how to do that thing , i think that your post is not considere inteligent for quote ................
If you want still disrespect people here , you would show everybody here what a kind ************** you are buddy....;D
I see that when you was a Kid you had a lot of problem in home little boy and i think that you still having problem.........:rolleyes:
Is sad to see people like yu man...........:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
Why would they do if it didn't help?
Why would they put plaster in that only kind of helped his punching power?
Some have said they did it because of hand injuries, still cheating, still dangerous.
There's no logical defense for it now, I actually checked out two other forums (not Eastside) and were the only one actually having a debate on whether or not he was really cheating, LOL.
Cause its not a very difficult judgment once the reports come back saying that he cheated. The only defense is he didn't know.
That isn't true. He did know something because he said in an interview he gave to ESPN, that in the past, he had questioned Capetillo about the wraps issue and that Capetillo would reply that he did not have to worry about it and that it was his job to do the wraps and that the only thing Tony should have to be worrying about is fighting. Therefore Tony knew something and this is just the liar, cheaters version of what was going on. Do you guys think that someone who has been fighting for about 15 years, would not know something was going on? If you go to the doctors on a regular basis and they use the old school thermometer up the kazzoo and then one day they switch it for a ding dong knock knock ladys toy or even the real dorkenstien, you think you aint going to know the difference? Other than boozeboxer of course because his culo is so loose he would not be able to tell the difference and then claim to the doctor that he feels much better now ;D
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I've said from the beginning that I thought he knew and that I didn't think this was the first time.
So I was saying that if you want to defend Tony that's the only way, but I'm not saying that he didn't know.
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OumaFan
I've said from the beginning that I thought he knew and that I didn't think this was the first time.
So I was saying that if you want to defend Tony that's the only way, but I'm not saying that he didn't know.
Oh so you were saying that this is the only lie him and his nutthuggers have ;D either way we know it's bullshiet and or just maybe both Tony and his fans are just retarded that way :-\ ;D Los Tontitos De Tony. = Tony's Dummies.
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Macho
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sonny78
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Macho
Well , that is an a great Deception for the most of fans in Sport of Boxing , we as a fans cant allow this kind of action , i know that there are a lot of fans that are really disappointed or deception of this " Criminal " , cause i cant say his name anymore , but also might have some fans that don't believe this yet , i suggest to them that open their minds .....
To me this " Criminal " have to be condemned and banned from Sport of Boxing ...............:mad:
You go on like he raped your mum
until we have seen any evidence and know how damaging the wraps were how can you ban him
Hey buddy look im not going put my mind with yours , little Boy , first you have to respect opinions from any others members , if you dont know how to do that thing , i think that your post is not considere inteligent for quote ................
If you want still disrespect people here , you would show everybody here what a kind ************** you are buddy....;D
I see that when you was a Kid you had a lot of problem in home little boy and i think that you still having problem.........:rolleyes:
Is sad to see people like yu man...........:rolleyes:
I am sorry I don't understand your post but you seem to call me little boy twice you must have me confused with some 13 year old boy you are grooming on another site
try and keep it on topic sweetheart
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OumaFan
Why would they do if it didn't help?
Why would they put plaster in that only kind of helped his punching power?
Some have said they did it because of hand injuries, still cheating, still dangerous.
There's no logical defense for it now, I actually checked out two other forums (not Eastside) and were the only one actually having a debate on whether or not he was really cheating, LOL.
Cause its not a very difficult judgment once the reports come back saying that he cheated. The only defense is he didn't know.
You make a good point and i am glad this getting investigated but I think the punishment should fit the crime once we know the crime we can work out the punishment
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sonny78
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
Why would they do if it didn't help?
Why would they put plaster in that only kind of helped his punching power?
Some have said they did it because of hand injuries, still cheating, still dangerous.
There's no logical defense for it now, I actually checked out two other forums (not Eastside) and were the only one actually having a debate on whether or not he was really cheating, LOL.
Cause its not a very difficult judgment once the reports come back saying that he cheated. The only defense is he didn't know.
You make a good point and i am glad this getting investigated but I think the punishment should fit the crime once we know the crime we can work out the punishment
You don't want to lynch Tony because he beat up on little ol Cotto?
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A guy did get killed,and the fighter is doing time for manslaughter for a similar offense.
He should be thankful if a lifetime ban is his biggest worry
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You know sonny you got a point after all this time they say it has elements why not just say he had it or no i dont get it at all. Yet again if you think he used it with Cotto then he must of with Clotty and Williams. And form those fights he did not seem to do much good did it. If it was not deadly which it does not seem to be then i dont think its a life ban. I mean for god sake Tysons shit he did in the ring is more harmful then what Margarito did from what i seen.
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1) a cheat is a cheat, no matter the "size" of it and in that case, it was a manifest crime: it's like if you would say that a guy shouldn't have a criminal record because he tried to kill somebody else only with a small knife and not a katana, therefore the risks were "lesser".
Head-butts, Low blows, hitting after the bell, biting someone's f**king ear off all cheating all dangerous all with punishments none attract the lifetime ban some you are after for Margaritos cheating
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2) They've taken 2 full stripes in each gloves from what I've seen, and from what I've heard, it was covering the full region that's used to "hit" on the knuckles, you don't need much more to stun somebody to the milky way, just like a brass knuckle, you don't need to cover your whole fist to make it efficient, it's even more effective that hands that would be fully covered with plaster as your hands hit harder and are a lot lighter.
Are you off your F**king Meds!! where are these "brass knuckles" no one has shown anything this is my point and why I am getting pissed off no one has seen anything if he had taken out the padding and had plaster wrapped hands then hang the C**T but its not the case all they have said so far is that there are "elements of plaster"
So fucking what its not lead had wraps are fucking solid how much of a difference does this make this is all I want to know before they ban a great fighter for life
For the record I like Cotto and I wanted him to win that fight but he got his arse handed to him because of lack of stamina and punch power, nothing to do with wraps I also wanted to Mosley to win he did and I don't think from what I have seen the wraps would have made any difference
Quiet down please,
Tyson should have been banned to life for the ear thing, as for the rest, the other cheats you mention are no where close as dangerous as being hit repeatedly on the head with some plaster on the joints, these are VERY differents kind of cheat PLUS... low blows/head butts can be seen by a judge, the plaster doesn't, you're mixing a lot of different things together.
Also, read the reports, I've read at more than 2 places that they did retire 2 large stripes half hardened gray-ish color on both joints, if you've missed that one, I can't do much other than telling you to foster your researches again, I don't have the link under hands at the moment but they even did mention it today that it was Paris plaster substance. Thus said, I used to have a cast on my wrist once covering my hand, I did hit somebody on the face and he got knocked out cold and god knows I am far from being a super muscular man, normally it could have "hurted" the guy a little, nothing more but this time he saw cinderella, santa claus and frosty the snowman gathered together, yeah, it makes THE HELL of a difference and if you don't believe it once again, make some researches about it and please, stop denying what happened, ESPN, fightnews, TSN and RDs mentioned the plaster thing in his gloves, it ain't a banal and a misunderstanding at all.
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After being caught cheating with Mosley everybody would wonder about passed opponents but, wasn't he clear already from the Cotto fight? If I remember correctly, someone even posted links to official news about Margarito being cleared from the Cotto fight. I even have my doubts but oh well.
I also wonder, if he beat a guy that almost everybody hated, say, Mayweather or ODLH as bad as he beat Cotto, would people still be as outraged?
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Some have said they did it because of hand injuries
Imagine that! What would be next? Someone saying that because of head injuries they decided to fight with a helmet.
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Dont understand it i have read all the articles i can find and they all say found substances but have not said it was plaster just it could be. I dont understand why the guy who has had all this time to look at it would just say it was plaster in his wraps. From what i read it just says signs or substances that can make it just makes me wonder what they been doing all this time. Is there any other articles i have missed from the report if so i like someone to link it.
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Mr140
You know sonny you got a point after all this time they say it has elements why not just say he had it or no i dont get it at all. Yet again if you think he used it with Cotto then he must of with Clotty and Williams. And form those fights he did not seem to do much good did it. If it was not deadly which it does not seem to be then i dont think its a life ban. I mean for god sake Tysons shit he did in the ring is more harmful then what Margarito did from what i seen.
Id rep you but I need to spread some around, good post
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Originally Posted by
Nameless
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
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1) a cheat is a cheat, no matter the "size" of it and in that case, it was a manifest crime: it's like if you would say that a guy shouldn't have a criminal record because he tried to kill somebody else only with a small knife and not a katana, therefore the risks were "lesser".
Head-butts, Low blows, hitting after the bell, biting someone's f**king ear off all cheating all dangerous all with punishments none attract the lifetime ban some you are after for Margaritos cheating
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2) They've taken 2 full stripes in each gloves from what I've seen, and from what I've heard, it was covering the full region that's used to "hit" on the knuckles, you don't need much more to stun somebody to the milky way, just like a brass knuckle, you don't need to cover your whole fist to make it efficient, it's even more effective that hands that would be fully covered with plaster as your hands hit harder and are a lot lighter.
Are you off your F**king Meds!! where are these "brass knuckles" no one has shown anything this is my point and why I am getting pissed off no one has seen anything if he had taken out the padding and had plaster wrapped hands then hang the C**T but its not the case all they have said so far is that there are "elements of plaster"
So fucking what its not lead had wraps are fucking solid how much of a difference does this make this is all I want to know before they ban a great fighter for life
For the record I like Cotto and I wanted him to win that fight but he got his arse handed to him because of lack of stamina and punch power, nothing to do with wraps I also wanted to Mosley to win he did and I don't think from what I have seen the wraps would have made any difference
Quiet down please,
Tyson should have been banned to life for the ear thing, as for the rest, the other cheats you mention are no where close as dangerous as being hit repeatedly on the head with some plaster on the joints, these are VERY differents kind of cheat PLUS... low blows/head butts can be seen by a judge, the plaster doesn't, you're mixing a lot of different things together.
Also, read the reports, I've read at more than 2 places that they did retire 2 large stripes half hardened gray-ish color on both joints, if you've missed that one, I can't do much other than telling you to foster your researches again, I don't have the link under hands at the moment but they even did mention it today that it was Paris plaster substance. Thus said, I used to have a cast on my wrist once covering my hand, I did hit somebody on the face and he got knocked out cold and god knows I am far from being a super muscular man, normally it could have "hurted" the guy a little, nothing more but this time he saw cinderella, santa claus and frosty the snowman gathered together, yeah, it makes THE HELL of a difference and if you don't believe it once again, make some researches about it and please, stop denying what happened, ESPN, fightnews, TSN and RDs mentioned the plaster thing in his gloves, it ain't a banal and a misunderstanding at all.
If we are talking about a pillow fight and some c**t slips a brick in his pillow and starts taking heads off then I understand but thats not what were talking about
A properly wrapped hand is hard as fuck you punch someone with that and even you will knock them out, you add small pieces of plaster between the wrap and the knuckles and the wrapped had is still hard as fuck
I think he and his trainer have tried to gain an advantage with a bit of extra padding on the knuckle and for it they should be punished
But lets not go on like he's killed anyone or even tried to kill anyone
A fine and a short ban and lets all get back to fighting
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
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Originally Posted by
Nameless
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
Head-butts, Low blows, hitting after the bell, biting someone's f**king ear off all cheating all dangerous all with punishments none attract the lifetime ban some you are after for Margaritos cheating
Are you off your F**king Meds!! where are these "brass knuckles" no one has shown anything this is my point and why I am getting pissed off no one has seen anything if he had taken out the padding and had plaster wrapped hands then hang the C**T but its not the case all they have said so far is that there are "elements of plaster"
So fucking what its not lead had wraps are fucking solid how much of a difference does this make this is all I want to know before they ban a great fighter for life
For the record I like Cotto and I wanted him to win that fight but he got his arse handed to him because of lack of stamina and punch power, nothing to do with wraps I also wanted to Mosley to win he did and I don't think from what I have seen the wraps would have made any difference
Quiet down please,
Tyson should have been banned to life for the ear thing, as for the rest, the other cheats you mention are no where close as dangerous as being hit repeatedly on the head with some plaster on the joints, these are VERY differents kind of cheat PLUS... low blows/head butts can be seen by a judge, the plaster doesn't, you're mixing a lot of different things together.
Also, read the reports, I've read at more than 2 places that they did retire 2 large stripes half hardened gray-ish color on both joints, if you've missed that one, I can't do much other than telling you to foster your researches again, I don't have the link under hands at the moment but they even did mention it today that it was Paris plaster substance. Thus said, I used to have a cast on my wrist once covering my hand, I did hit somebody on the face and he got knocked out cold and god knows I am far from being a super muscular man, normally it could have "hurted" the guy a little, nothing more but this time he saw cinderella, santa claus and frosty the snowman gathered together, yeah, it makes THE HELL of a difference and if you don't believe it once again, make some researches about it and please, stop denying what happened, ESPN, fightnews, TSN and RDs mentioned the plaster thing in his gloves, it ain't a banal and a misunderstanding at all.
If we are talking about a pillow fight and some c**t slips a brick in his pillow and starts taking heads off then I understand but thats not what were talking about
A properly wrapped hand is hard as fuck you punch someone with that and even you will knock them out, you add small pieces of plaster between the wrap and the knuckles and the wrapped had is still hard as fuck
I think he and his trainer have tried to gain an advantage with a bit of extra padding on the knuckle and for it they should be punished
But lets not go on like he's killed anyone or even tried to kill anyone
A fine and a short ban and lets all get back to fighting
Are you kidding me? That's the exact risk he took when he stepped into the ring with loaded wraps, and he gave no thought of what damage he could have inflicted on the other fighter. His total lack of respect for a human life is disgusting.
What, you'll only be happy if he hurts, or kills someone, and then it would be okay to punish him?
And who said it was small pieces of plaster, do you not pay attention to anything, it was BLOCKS of padding treated with plaster.
The moment he entered the ring, he and his trainer conspired to commit assault with a deadly weapon. And yes, that's exactly what loaded wraps are.
I'll tell you what, let's put you in a ring with a professional fighter that has loaded wraps, and let's take a chance that nothing will happen to you. What do you say, are you up to that? I'm sure we can arrange it.
Geez, how do you drive with your head up your a$$.
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Diane
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
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Originally Posted by
Nameless
Quiet down please,
Tyson should have been banned to life for the ear thing, as for the rest, the other cheats you mention are no where close as dangerous as being hit repeatedly on the head with some plaster on the joints, these are VERY differents kind of cheat PLUS... low blows/head butts can be seen by a judge, the plaster doesn't, you're mixing a lot of different things together.
Also, read the reports, I've read at more than 2 places that they did retire 2 large stripes half hardened gray-ish color on both joints, if you've missed that one, I can't do much other than telling you to foster your researches again, I don't have the link under hands at the moment but they even did mention it today that it was Paris plaster substance. Thus said, I used to have a cast on my wrist once covering my hand, I did hit somebody on the face and he got knocked out cold and god knows I am far from being a super muscular man, normally it could have "hurted" the guy a little, nothing more but this time he saw cinderella, santa claus and frosty the snowman gathered together, yeah, it makes THE HELL of a difference and if you don't believe it once again, make some researches about it and please, stop denying what happened, ESPN, fightnews, TSN and RDs mentioned the plaster thing in his gloves, it ain't a banal and a misunderstanding at all.
If we are talking about a pillow fight and some c**t slips a brick in his pillow and starts taking heads off then I understand but thats not what were talking about
A properly wrapped hand is hard as fuck you punch someone with that and even you will knock them out, you add small pieces of plaster between the wrap and the knuckles and the wrapped had is still hard as fuck
I think he and his trainer have tried to gain an advantage with a bit of extra padding on the knuckle and for it they should be punished
But lets not go on like he's killed anyone or even tried to kill anyone
A fine and a short ban and lets all get back to fighting
Are you kidding me? That's the exact risk he took when he stepped into the ring with loaded wraps, and he gave no thought of what damage he could have inflicted on the other fighter. His total lack of respect for a human life is disgusting.
What, you'll only be happy if he hurts, or kills someone, and then it would be okay to punish him?
And who said it was small pieces of plaster, do you not pay attention to anything, it was BLOCKS of padding treated with plaster.
The moment he entered the ring, he and his trainer conspired to commit assault with a deadly weapon. And yes, that's exactly what loaded wraps are.
I'll tell you what, let's put you in a ring with a professional fighter that has loaded wraps, and let's take a chance that nothing will happen to you. What do you say, are you up to that? I'm sure we can arrange it.
Geez, how do you drive with your head up your a$$.
So where the f**k are these dangerous wraps why are they not being displayed around for all to see, because they had to be put under a stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer to find elements of plaster
Look if these wraps were so deadly why is it taking so long to prove
If these wraps prove to be deadly then fine lock him up but starting a witch hunt before he's been proved guilty is just biased and ignorant
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
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Originally Posted by
Diane
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
If we are talking about a pillow fight and some c**t slips a brick in his pillow and starts taking heads off then I understand but thats not what were talking about
A properly wrapped hand is hard as fuck you punch someone with that and even you will knock them out, you add small pieces of plaster between the wrap and the knuckles and the wrapped had is still hard as fuck
I think he and his trainer have tried to gain an advantage with a bit of extra padding on the knuckle and for it they should be punished
But lets not go on like he's killed anyone or even tried to kill anyone
A fine and a short ban and lets all get back to fighting
Are you kidding me? That's the exact risk he took when he stepped into the ring with loaded wraps, and he gave no thought of what damage he could have inflicted on the other fighter. His total lack of respect for a human life is disgusting.
What, you'll only be happy if he hurts, or kills someone, and then it would be okay to punish him?
And who said it was small pieces of plaster, do you not pay attention to anything, it was BLOCKS of padding treated with plaster.
The moment he entered the ring, he and his trainer conspired to commit assault with a deadly weapon. And yes, that's exactly what loaded wraps are.
I'll tell you what, let's put you in a ring with a professional fighter that has loaded wraps, and let's take a chance that nothing will happen to you. What do you say, are you up to that? I'm sure we can arrange it.
Geez, how do you drive with your head up your a$$.
So where the f**k are these dangerous wraps why are they not being displayed around for all to see, because they had to be put under a stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer to find elements of plaster
Look if these wraps were so deadly why is it taking so long to prove
If these wraps prove to be deadly then fine lock him up but starting a witch hunt before he's been proved guilty is just biased and ignorant
When he's proven to be guilty? He's already been found guilty by the State of California, why do you think that his license was revoked?
And they did show one of the blocks at Margacheato's hearing, if you watched the video, you would have known that.
The State of California has these blocks, and one of the blocks was sent to their lab that does criminal investigations. Do you think that the only thing they have to do is analyze a hand wrap? I guess all the evidence from rapes and murder should have taken a back seat. :rolleyes:
And what, did you expect them to use a magnifying glass to look at the evidence? If they had, then you would have screamed that they didn't do a good job of analyzing the evidence.
You really should do better research before you spout off nonsense.
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Originally Posted by
Diane
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
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Originally Posted by
Diane
Are you kidding me? That's the exact risk he took when he stepped into the ring with loaded wraps, and he gave no thought of what damage he could have inflicted on the other fighter. His total lack of respect for a human life is disgusting.
What, you'll only be happy if he hurts, or kills someone, and then it would be okay to punish him?
And who said it was small pieces of plaster, do you not pay attention to anything, it was BLOCKS of padding treated with plaster.
The moment he entered the ring, he and his trainer conspired to commit assault with a deadly weapon. And yes, that's exactly what loaded wraps are.
I'll tell you what, let's put you in a ring with a professional fighter that has loaded wraps, and let's take a chance that nothing will happen to you. What do you say, are you up to that? I'm sure we can arrange it.
Geez, how do you drive with your head up your a$$.
So where the f**k are these dangerous wraps why are they not being displayed around for all to see, because they had to be put under a stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer to find elements of plaster
Look if these wraps were so deadly why is it taking so long to prove
If these wraps prove to be deadly then fine lock him up but starting a witch hunt before he's been proved guilty is just biased and ignorant
When he's proven to be guilty? He's already been found guilty by the State of California, why do you think that his license was revoked?
And they did show one of the blocks at Margacheato's hearing, if you watched the video, you would have known that.
The State of California has these blocks, and one of the blocks was sent to their lab that does criminal investigations. Do you think that the only thing they have to do is analyze a hand wrap? I guess all the evidence from rapes and murder should have taken a back seat. :rolleyes:
And what, did you expect them to use a magnifying glass to look at the evidence? If they had, then you would have screamed that they didn't do a good job of analyzing the evidence.
You really should do better research before you spout off nonsense.
:lol::gayfight2::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:
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Well Diane all they said from every article i seen is that they found substances that could make it and they have not said the amount. If you have a article that says that there was a large amount and it was plaster, not signs or traces of plaster like ever article i have read says. Also sonny got a point how deadly is it because it did not seem it in Clotty and Williams fight they did not seem to feel any affect at all from it. I dont have a problem with him coming back next year he cheated he do time. But after he serves it i dont have a problem with him coming back.
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http://www.braggingrightscorner.com/billycollins.jpg
Billy Collins, Jr after his fight with Luis Resto.
Panama Lewis is maybe the most notorious trainer of boxers in the modern history of a game which has never been stringent in its application of professional scruples.
He has been a fringe figure in big-time fighting for many years, but for a very good reason. He has been banned from boxing since serving a year's imprisonment after being found guilty of stripping the padding from the gloves of his fighter Luis Resto back in 1983. The result was a terrible, career-ending beating for an up-and-coming fighter named Billy Collins Jnr.
Collins was cut to pieces – the effect of Lewis's work was said to be that of a blackjack cracking against the victim's face – and soon afterwards took his life after a bout of drinking. Lewis, who at one point was Don King's trainer of choice when the promoter was in charge of Tyson's career – but it was a move even the then all-manipulative King could not swing – was also under suspicion of supplying an illegal stimulant to his fighter Aaron Pryor in an epic victory over Alexis Arguello. Lewis had been heard to tell a fellow corner man who was offering Pryor water: "Not that bottle, the one I mixed." It was claimed that it contained club soda, honey and schnapps.
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Diane
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
If we are talking about a pillow fight and some c**t slips a brick in his pillow and starts taking heads off then I understand but thats not what were talking about
A properly wrapped hand is hard as fuck you punch someone with that and even you will knock them out, you add small pieces of plaster between the wrap and the knuckles and the wrapped had is still hard as fuck
I think he and his trainer have tried to gain an advantage with a bit of extra padding on the knuckle and for it they should be punished
But lets not go on like he's killed anyone or even tried to kill anyone
A fine and a short ban and lets all get back to fighting
Are you kidding me? That's the exact risk he took when he stepped into the ring with loaded wraps, and he gave no thought of what damage he could have inflicted on the other fighter. His total lack of respect for a human life is disgusting.
What, you'll only be happy if he hurts, or kills someone, and then it would be okay to punish him?
And who said it was small pieces of plaster, do you not pay attention to anything, it was BLOCKS of padding treated with plaster.
The moment he entered the ring, he and his trainer conspired to commit assault with a deadly weapon. And yes, that's exactly what loaded wraps are.
I'll tell you what, let's put you in a ring with a professional fighter that has loaded wraps, and let's take a chance that nothing will happen to you. What do you say, are you up to that? I'm sure we can arrange it.
Geez, how do you drive with your head up your a$$.
So where the f**k are these dangerous wraps why are they not being displayed around for all to see, because they had to be put under a stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer to find elements of plaster
Look if these wraps were so deadly why is it taking so long to prove
If these wraps prove to be deadly then fine lock him up but starting a witch hunt before he's been proved guilty is just biased and ignorant
sonny78, what did you want people to do taste it for samples of plaster. lol it had to be taken to a lab to make 100 % sure that it was plaster. Now you have the proof and yet you are still in denial?
Can you tell the following wraps have plaster?
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/1010971...c_Products.jpg
Well they do. I am no expert but Shane's doctor was there and he said straight up that the bricks found were of the same material they use in hospitals to make casts.
Here are the bricks
http://i43.tinypic.com/14u8hld.png
Now these might seem small to you but there are many layers of this plaster wrap to make a decent brick when wet.
Can you tell with the naked eye that these have plaster in them? LMAO @ you wanting it to be passed around so everyone can look at them. ;D Ever hear of contaminating the evidence? :rolleyes:
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
There comes a time when you have to stop defending the indefensible. Third party authorities found elements of plaster in the wraps? That’s good enough for me.
To those that are arguing about the “elements” part… well, that’s how these things work. What did you expect, a full glove-shaped piece of plaster to fall out of the wraps?
“Your honor, my client is innocent of raping that victim.”
“And why is that, Mr. Defense Lawyer?”
“’Cause it only went halfway in, your honor.”
Also, the argument comparing using plaster in your handwraps with head-butting or hitting after the bell. C’mon… are you serious? Head-butting and hitting after the bell are fouls, alright. But fouls that are committed during the heat of the battle, and usually not aimed at maiming or possibly killing someone. Using plaster in your handwraps is a deliberate, pre-planned act, with dire, and possibly fatal consequences. What’s to compare?
I’ve read posts by ex-Margarito fans that own up to the situation, and state their disappointment in Margarito. THAT’S being an objective, true boxing fan. To defend the indefensible is just plain wrong.
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
There comes a time when you have to stop defending the indefensible. Third party authorities found elements of plaster in the wraps? That’s good enough for me.
To those that are arguing about the “elements” part… well, that’s how these things work. What did you expect, a full glove-shaped piece of plaster to fall out of the wraps?
“Your honor, my client is innocent of raping that victim.”
“And why is that, Mr. Defense Lawyer?”
“’Cause it only went halfway in, your honor.”
Also, the argument comparing using plaster in your handwraps with head-butting or hitting after the bell. C’mon… are you serious? Head-butting and hitting after the bell are fouls, alright. But fouls that are committed during the heat of the battle, and usually not aimed at maiming or possibly killing someone. Using plaster in your handwraps is a deliberate, pre-planned act, with dire, and possibly fatal consequences. What’s to compare?
I’ve read posts by ex-Margarito fans that own up to the situation, and state their disappointment in Margarito. THAT’S being an objective, true boxing fan. To defend the indefensible is just plain wrong.
I myself was rooting for Tony before the fight but when I learned about the plaster, I said phuk Tony and I was rooting for Shane, not only was I rooting for Shane, I wanted Shane to knock this mother phuker out for trying to cheat and pretending to be something he ain't. I got my wish and I hope I get my second wish in the rematch Margarita vs Cotto II and there is no doubt in my mind that Cotto will beat the shiet out of Tony this time. Poor Tony will be washed up soon as he just might have to go thru Cotto, or Shane again, or Williams or Clottey and just imagine poor Margacheater with out his plaster in his gloves? He will get killed before he ever beats any of these guys, let me tell you ;D I can see Tony getting his ass kicked for the rest of his sorry ass career. ;D
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
There comes a time when you have to stop defending the indefensible. Third party authorities found elements of plaster in the wraps? That’s good enough for me.
To those that are arguing about the “elements” part… well, that’s how these things work. What did you expect, a full glove-shaped piece of plaster to fall out of the wraps?
“Your honor, my client is innocent of raping that victim.”
“And why is that, Mr. Defense Lawyer?”
“’Cause it only went halfway in, your honor.”
Also, the argument comparing using plaster in your handwraps with head-butting or hitting after the bell. C’mon… are you serious? Head-butting and hitting after the bell are fouls, alright. But fouls that are committed during the heat of the battle, and usually not aimed at maiming or possibly killing someone. Using plaster in your handwraps is a deliberate, pre-planned act, with dire, and possibly fatal consequences. What’s to compare?
I’ve read posts by ex-Margarito fans that own up to the situation, and state their disappointment in Margarito. THAT’S being an objective, true boxing fan. To defend the indefensible is just plain wrong.
I would compare it to rape to incite the people who don't see your fucking stupid barbie ass logic.
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
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Originally Posted by
Danny_G
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
There comes a time when you have to stop defending the indefensible. Third party authorities found elements of plaster in the wraps? That’s good enough for me.
To those that are arguing about the “elements” part… well, that’s how these things work. What did you expect, a full glove-shaped piece of plaster to fall out of the wraps?
“Your honor, my client is innocent of raping that victim.”
“And why is that, Mr. Defense Lawyer?”
“’Cause it only went halfway in, your honor.”
Also, the argument comparing using plaster in your handwraps with head-butting or hitting after the bell. C’mon… are you serious? Head-butting and hitting after the bell are fouls, alright. But fouls that are committed during the heat of the battle, and usually not aimed at maiming or possibly killing someone. Using plaster in your handwraps is a deliberate, pre-planned act, with dire, and possibly fatal consequences. What’s to compare?
I’ve read posts by ex-Margarito fans that own up to the situation, and state their disappointment in Margarito. THAT’S being an objective, true boxing fan. To defend the indefensible is just plain wrong.
I myself was rooting for Tony before the fight but when I learned about the plaster, I said phuk Tony and I was rooting for Shane, not only was I rooting for Shane, I wanted Shane to knock this mother phuker out for trying to cheat and pretending to be something he ain't. I got my wish and I hope I get my second wish in the rematch Margarita vs Cotto II and there is no doubt in my mind that Cotto will beat the shiet out of Tony this time. Poor Tony will be washed up soon as he just might have to go thru Cotto, or Shane again, or Williams or Clottey and just imagine poor Margacheater with out his plaster in his gloves? He will get killed before he ever beats any of these guys, let me tell you ;D I can see Tony getting his ass kicked for the rest of his sorry ass career. ;D
Danny, saying you were cheering for Tony before the Mosely fight is a lie. You wouldnt know the truth if it came in the form of a lion and mauled you. Everyone knows the veracity of your comments borders comical.
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
C'mon guys, it was only calcium and sulfur in that gause. That is practically nothing without that rare other element needed...oxygen.
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right guys i was a huge toni fan before all this kicked off and i must say im really dissapointed that he used the wraps and should face the consequences. What i do object to is everyone saying he used them against cotto - there is no proof of this what so ever and if you watch the fight again - you will see cotto's offence was having no affect on toni at all - so i think the main reason cotto lost was that he was giving everything he had and looked confused towards the end of the fight as he was running out of steam and marg came in and finished him off. i know everyones going to disagree with me but its just the way i see it.
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
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Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
There comes a time when you have to stop defending the indefensible. Third party authorities found elements of plaster in the wraps? That’s good enough for me.
To those that are arguing about the “elements” part… well, that’s how these things work. What did you expect, a full glove-shaped piece of plaster to fall out of the wraps?
“Your honor, my client is innocent of raping that victim.”
“And why is that, Mr. Defense Lawyer?”
“’Cause it only went halfway in, your honor.”
Also, the argument comparing using plaster in your handwraps with head-butting or hitting after the bell. C’mon… are you serious? Head-butting and hitting after the bell are fouls, alright. But fouls that are committed during the heat of the battle, and usually not aimed at maiming or possibly killing someone. Using plaster in your handwraps is a deliberate, pre-planned act, with dire, and possibly fatal consequences. What’s to compare?
I’ve read posts by ex-Margarito fans that own up to the situation, and state their disappointment in Margarito. THAT’S being an objective, true boxing fan. To defend the indefensible is just plain wrong.
I would compare it to rape to incite the people who don't see your fucking stupid barbie ass logic.
"Fucking stupid barbie ass logic."
Hmm... you seem to have some anger issues. Exactly what is it that pisses you off, sport?
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
C'mon guys, it was only calcium and sulfur in that gause. That is practically nothing without that rare other element needed...oxygen.
Whatever it was hes getting an advantage over Mosley a.k.a cheating and deserves a longer ban
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Truthfully though, we will never know if he used the paster in the Cotto fight. It will always be inconclusive. Hell, he could have used it in the Lujuan fight too and many others. We'll just never know for sure.
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
"A Department of Justice senior criminalist who inspected the wrappings under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer reported calcium and sulfur were discovered, noting the elements make plaster of Paris with the addition of oxygen"
So to find anything they had to look under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer
Its hardly resin and broken glass (see end of kickboxer )
If they'd found brick-size lumps of calcium and sulphur in his wraps they'd still have to use those machines to verify what it was.
What the guy who did Margarito's wraps did was to wrap in wadded-up chunks of gauze over his knuckles and then add two chemical elements, then use gauze and tape to cover the whole concoction up. The thing that tipped Richardson off that something wasn't right was that the wrappings over the knuckles looked unnaturally large. So these three things, blocks of old gauze, calcium and sulphur were added to the wraps.
This is what sulphur looks like :
http://www.kanasindustries.com/sulphur.jpg
It's unlikely that this stuff just accidentally, you know, ended up in Margarito's wraps. It's even more unlikely that calcium, similar looking stuff (granular and white) would end up in there too. Especially when both those elements together form Plaster of Paris! A substance with its own unique history in boxing. Add the bricked-up chunks of gauze and the air and moisture in the glove and you have something which will form a, uh, plaster-like strip over Margarito's knuckles during the first few rounds of the fight.
There's no way you can pass this off as an unfortunate accident. This was a deliberate action to create plaster casts over Margarito's knuckles during the Mosley fight. I don't believe for a second that it's possible Margarito couldn't have known about this and his trainer obviously did. Both guys are crooks and should be banned for life from the sport.
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
"A Department of Justice senior criminalist who inspected the wrappings under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer reported calcium and sulfur were discovered, noting the elements make plaster of Paris with the addition of oxygen"
So to find anything they had to look under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer
Its hardly resin and broken glass (see end of kickboxer )
If they'd found brick-size lumps of calcium and sulphur in his wraps they'd still have to use those machines to verify what it was.
What the guy who did Margarito's wraps did was to wrap in wadded-up chunks of gauze over his knuckles and then add two chemical elements, then use gauze and tape to cover the whole concoction up. The thing that tipped Richardson off that something wasn't right was that the wrappings over the knuckles looked unnaturally large. So these three things, blocks of old gauze, calcium and sulphur were added to the wraps.
This is what sulphur looks like :
http://www.kanasindustries.com/sulphur.jpg
It's unlikely that this stuff just accidentally, you know, ended up in Margarito's wraps. It's even more unlikely that calcium, similar looking stuff (granular and white) would end up in there too. Especially when both those elements together form Plaster of Paris! A substance with its own unique history in boxing. Add the bricked-up chunks of gauze and the air and moisture in the glove and you have something which will form a, uh, plaster-like strip over Margarito's knuckles during the first few rounds of the fight.
There's no way you can pass this off as an unfortunate accident. This was a deliberate action to create plaster casts over Margarito's knuckles during the Mosley fight. I don't believe for a second that it's possible Margarito couldn't have known about this and his trainer obviously did. Both guys are crooks and should be banned for life from the sport.
Compelling arguments.
Sonny78? Mr140? Your thoughts?
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Re: Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
sonny78
So to find anything they had to look under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer
Its hardly resin and broken glass (see end of kickboxer )
If they'd found brick-size lumps of calcium and sulphur in his wraps they'd still have to use those machines to verify what it was.
What the guy who did Margarito's wraps did was to wrap in wadded-up chunks of gauze over his knuckles and then add two chemical elements, then use gauze and tape to cover the whole concoction up. The thing that tipped Richardson off that something wasn't right was that the wrappings over the knuckles looked unnaturally large. So these three things, blocks of old gauze, calcium and sulphur were added to the wraps.
This is what sulphur looks like :
http://www.kanasindustries.com/sulphur.jpg
It's unlikely that this stuff just accidentally, you know, ended up in Margarito's wraps. It's even more unlikely that calcium, similar looking stuff (granular and white) would end up in there too. Especially when both those elements together form Plaster of Paris! A substance with its own unique history in boxing. Add the bricked-up chunks of gauze and the air and moisture in the glove and you have something which will form a, uh, plaster-like strip over Margarito's knuckles during the first few rounds of the fight.
There's no way you can pass this off as an unfortunate accident. This was a deliberate action to create plaster casts over Margarito's knuckles during the Mosley fight. I don't believe for a second that it's possible Margarito couldn't have known about this and his trainer obviously did. Both guys are crooks and should be banned for life from the sport.
Compelling arguments.
Sonny78? Mr140? Your thoughts?
Mr140 arguments are the perfect complement to what I've said and to be fair, I really don't get Sonny78 arguments for a small ban, neither the "accidental" thing where the trainer would have un-explicably got the wrong stuff in his bag accidentally, especially gathering the 2 substances that create Paris plaster. There is too many coincidences for me to believe that and such dangerous behaviors should result in a life ban, no matter how. Of course, that won't probably happen but that's what should happen
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Well Tito all i can say is this i agree that he be banned for a year. Then after his time is up he can come back do whats he wants i dont care. There is know way to prove he used it in other fights and the fight he got caught he did not use the warps so what can i say dude. I mean you look at his fights and all i was saying is how the results vary. I mean Cotto and Cintron got knocked out but Williams and Clotty did not seem very affected at all i mean if it is as deadly as people say would it not of been a different story in those fights or are we to pick and choose what fights. I mean if you dont agree with me nothing i can say but o well.
