Re: Hey Pac,why not give this guy a fight?
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Who would ever imagine the first fight between Pacquiao vs. Barrera would happen that time.Who would ever believe the fight between DeLA HOYA vs.PACQUIAO would ever happen.
The same situation,the same questions....???
Pacman had way more quality oppenent than Valero before Pac fought Marco the first time. This is why Marco had to fight him. Did you think Marco was Pacs first U.S fight or first quality oppenent? Pac was making a name for himself here at the states thats why he got the Marco fight. Plus Marco had little choice to fight, nobody wanted to fight JMM at the time and a third Eric fight was the only big fight for marco at the time. Compare it to Pac situation now, Pac has so much options; Cotto,Mosley, Floyd, JMM all huge fights. Valero is not a big fight for Pac, Soto has a better chance of being a Pac tune up fight than Valero. Theres more story to sale with Soto then there is with Valero. However I doubt pac will take any tune up matches, he only gets big fights now. Do you get the point yet?
You made me smirk with your last question sentence......All you posters here just keep on saying quality that,no defense,not marketable,no fan base...etc etc...All these are crap to me mainly because i knew for a fact that Arum was delivering the contract to PACMAN for him to fight VALERO in MACAU,TWO YEARS AGO OR SO.
That is why this thread is for Arum to give the chance to the poor boxer that he used before as a chesspone to get to manage MANNY...
Is this Valero speaking?
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Pacman had way more quality oppenent than Valero before Pac fought Marco the first time. This is why Marco had to fight him. Did you think Marco was Pacs first U.S fight or first quality oppenent? Pac was making a name for himself here at the states thats why he got the Marco fight. Plus Marco had little choice to fight, nobody wanted to fight JMM at the time and a third Eric fight was the only big fight for marco at the time. Compare it to Pac situation now, Pac has so much options; Cotto,Mosley, Floyd, JMM all huge fights. Valero is not a big fight for Pac, Soto has a better chance of being a Pac tune up fight than Valero. Theres more story to sale with Soto then there is with Valero. However I doubt pac will take any tune up matches, he only gets big fights now. Do you get the point yet?
You made me smirk with your last question sentence......All you posters here just keep on saying quality that,no defense,not marketable,no fan base...etc etc...All these are crap to me mainly because i knew for a fact that Arum was delivering the contract to PACMAN for him to fight VALERO in MACAU,TWO YEARS AGO OR SO.
That is why this thread is for Arum to in give the chance to the poor boxer that he used before as a chesspone to get to manage MANNY...
Is this Valero speaking?
Nahhhh.....i am just wondering if the fight happened 2 years ago...who could have won.And why Arum was dangling that fight right on PACMAN'S TURF.
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Valero in Manny's bday party in Gensan....
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bob arum in the gensan party too...
Re: Hey Pac,why not give this guy a fight?
Sports Valero says he has right to fight Pacquiao
Updated May 08, 2009 12:00 AM
MANILA, Philippines - Venezuelan lightweight champ and knockout artist Edwin Valero pressed his bid for a crack at Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao, saying his promotional pact with Top Rank guarantees a showdown with the world’s pound-for-pound king.
The WBC lightweight champion, unbeaten in 25 fights, also claimed that Pacquiao had previously assured him of a matchup in the future, according to BoxingScene.com.
“My fight with Manny Pacquiao is signed. It was one of the conditions that I gave to my manager, Jose Castillo, for me to sign with Bob Arum (Top Rank),” Boxing Scene’s Mark Vester, quoting Valero’s statement from SNOV, said.
Valero’ s name has not been mentioned among those being groomed as Pacquiao’s next foe after the latter demolished British hero Ricky Hatton in two rounds to claim the IBO light-welterweight crown last weekend. Aside from former pound-for-pound champion Mayweather and old rival Marquez, the Pacquiao camp is eyeing Miguel Cotto in a 147-lb showdown.
Valero insisted that the only way Pacquiao could walk away from their clash would be to retire.
“This is something that he (Arum) has not revealed to the press because the fight is not mandatory, in case Pacquiao walks away. But that is the only way to avoid the fight, if he leaves boxing. So I am relaxed and working to build my name for my opportunity. It was something that was spoken about with Pacquiao and he said yes. That was in January,” Valero said.
Valero, one of Pacquiao’s guests during his 30th birthday bash in General Santos City, said only he can give the Filipino champion a run for his money when it comes to power - not Ricky Hatton, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. or Juan Manuel Marquez.
“For now I imagine that they are going to fight the winner of Floyd Mayweather and Juan Manuel Marquez, but none of those fighters have the power to surpass his defense. I would be able to offer a much better fight than the one Hatton did. I only hope that Pacquiao gives me the opportunity. I would have no problem in moving up in weight (light-welterweight) to fight him,” Valero said.
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I suppose you think Khan would beat pacman too? One thing is not going to beat pac, all valero has at this point in his career is an impressive punch. Pacmans defence has proven to be solid lately, his chin has proven to be quite good, his speed is incredible and his power is deadly. I think valero is out gunned in every department.
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I suppose you think Khan would beat pacman too? One thing is not going to beat pac, all valero has at this point in his career is an impressive punch. Pacmans defence has proven to be solid lately, his chin has proven to be quite good, his speed is incredible and his power is deadly. I think valero is out gunned in every department.
Mate,i know that....analysis totally makes valero a non winner.What im after here is justice for VALERO.Please go over news article i posted and you will understand what im driving at.In addition ,all im saying is;VALERO can give MANNY a good fight compared to other boxers they are lining up.
WHO CAN BEAT MANNY AT THIS TIME ANYWAY???
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I suppose you think Khan would beat pacman too? One thing is not going to beat pac, all valero has at this point in his career is an impressive punch. Pacmans defence has proven to be solid lately, his chin has proven to be quite good, his speed is incredible and his power is deadly. I think valero is out gunned in every department.
Mate,i know that....analysis totally makes valero a non winner.What im after here is justice for VALERO.Please go over news article i posted and you will understand what im driving at.In addition ,all im saying is;VALERO can give MANNY a good fight compared to other boxers they are lining up.
WHO CAN BEAT MANNY AT THIS TIME ANYWAY???
PBF, JMM, Cotto, Mosely all have a chance of beating manny. Valero does not in my opinion coz i dont think his chin has been tested and i dont think he has the pure boxing ability to win. There is no mistake about Valeros power but fighting fire with fire has already been proven to be so many fighters downfall when fighting manny. You have to be able to box. Watch the JMM fights, JMM does not brawl with him...hes boxes and does this quite well. You need to hit and not get hit because the more you get hit the more chances of lights out. I also think you need to be able to get in and out of range effectively. Something PBF does very well and i do believe that once inside range, it may be possible to smother mannys power something PBF is also very good at. The more you stand back and try and exchange with pac, the more momentum he gets and the more confidence he gets. Work the jab, get inside and get out. That is the gameplan to beat pac in my opinion because I still think pacs power lies in having enough space to unload his big left and right hooks.
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I suppose you think Khan would beat pacman too? One thing is not going to beat pac, all valero has at this point in his career is an impressive punch. Pacmans defence has proven to be solid lately, his chin has proven to be quite good, his speed is incredible and his power is deadly. I think valero is out gunned in every department.
Mate,i know that....analysis totally makes valero a non winner.What im after here is justice for VALERO.Please go over news article i posted and you will understand what im driving at.In addition ,all im saying is;VALERO can give MANNY a good fight compared to other boxers they are lining up.
WHO CAN BEAT MANNY AT THIS TIME ANYWAY???
PBF, JMM, Cotto, Mosely all have a chance of beating manny. Valero does not in my opinion coz i dont think his chin has been tested and i dont think he has the pure boxing ability to win. There is no mistake about Valeros power but fighting fire with fire has already been proven to be so many fighters downfall when fighting manny. You have to be able to box. Watch the JMM fights, JMM does not brawl with him...hes boxes and does this quite well. You need to hit and not get hit because the more you get hit the more chances of lights out. I also think you need to be able to get in and out of range effectively. Something PBF does very well and i do believe that once inside range, it may be possible to smother mannys power something PBF is also very good at. The more you stand back and try and exchange with pac, the more momentum he gets and the more confidence he gets. Work the jab, get inside and get out. That is the gameplan to beat pac in my opinion because I still think pacs power lies in having enough space to unload his big left and right hooks.
Beg to disagree mate.At 140 lbs,Manny is invincible.PBF,JMM,COTTO MOSELY will fight only to survive a KO.On the other hand VALERO has a chance if he can land a HAYMAKER.
I stand on my original position that VALERO should be given a chance to fight PACQUIAO this year.Otherwise it will be obvious that VALERO is being avoided.
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Mate,i know that....analysis totally makes valero a non winner.What im after here is justice for VALERO.Please go over news article i posted and you will understand what im driving at.In addition ,all im saying is;VALERO can give MANNY a good fight compared to other boxers they are lining up.
WHO CAN BEAT MANNY AT THIS TIME ANYWAY???
PBF, JMM, Cotto, Mosely all have a chance of beating manny. Valero does not in my opinion coz i dont think his chin has been tested and i dont think he has the pure boxing ability to win. There is no mistake about Valeros power but fighting fire with fire has already been proven to be so many fighters downfall when fighting manny. You have to be able to box. Watch the JMM fights, JMM does not brawl with him...hes boxes and does this quite well. You need to hit and not get hit because the more you get hit the more chances of lights out. I also think you need to be able to get in and out of range effectively. Something PBF does very well and i do believe that once inside range, it may be possible to smother mannys power something PBF is also very good at. The more you stand back and try and exchange with pac, the more momentum he gets and the more confidence he gets. Work the jab, get inside and get out. That is the gameplan to beat pac in my opinion because I still think pacs power lies in having enough space to unload his big left and right hooks.
Beg to disagree mate.At 140 lbs,Manny is invincible.PBF,JMM,COTTO MOSELY will fight only to survive a KO.On the other hand VALERO has a chance if he can land a HAYMAKER.
I stand on my original position that VALERO should be given a chance to fight PACQUIAO this year.Otherwise it will be obvious that VALERO is being avoided.
Im sorry but Valero has knocked out who? And you say these guys have no chance and yet your saying Valero has one...coz of one punch. Mate if your relying on one punch and one punch alone and counting that as a chance then thats clutching at straws. If pac fought those guys at 147 then they have a chance to beat him. Cotto is powerful and more proven then valero as is PBF and Mosely. Relying on a haymaker....any fighter can win if they land a perfect haymaker, you gotta land it first so with Valero needing that one perfect shot and the other guys having more skill and being more proven id give advantages to them and not valero.
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PBF, JMM, Cotto, Mosely all have a chance of beating manny. Valero does not in my opinion coz i dont think his chin has been tested and i dont think he has the pure boxing ability to win. There is no mistake about Valeros power but fighting fire with fire has already been proven to be so many fighters downfall when fighting manny. You have to be able to box. Watch the JMM fights, JMM does not brawl with him...hes boxes and does this quite well. You need to hit and not get hit because the more you get hit the more chances of lights out. I also think you need to be able to get in and out of range effectively. Something PBF does very well and i do believe that once inside range, it may be possible to smother mannys power something PBF is also very good at. The more you stand back and try and exchange with pac, the more momentum he gets and the more confidence he gets. Work the jab, get inside and get out. That is the gameplan to beat pac in my opinion because I still think pacs power lies in having enough space to unload his big left and right hooks.
Beg to disagree mate.At 140 lbs,Manny is invincible.PBF,JMM,COTTO MOSELY will fight only to survive a KO.On the other hand VALERO has a chance if he can land a HAYMAKER.
I stand on my original position that VALERO should be given a chance to fight PACQUIAO this year.Otherwise it will be obvious that VALERO is being avoided.
Im sorry but Valero has knocked out who? And you say these guys have no chance and yet your saying Valero has one...coz of one punch. Mate if your relying on one punch and one punch alone and counting that as a chance then thats clutching at straws. If pac fought those guys at 147 then they have a chance to beat him. Cotto is powerful and more proven then valero as is PBF and Mosely. Relying on a haymaker....any fighter can win if they land a perfect haymaker, you gotta land it first so with Valero needing that one perfect shot and the other guys having more skill and being more proven id give advantages to them and not valero.
I wont argue with your views.Like i said everything is a matter of opinion,until the real fight happens...would you mind reading another recent article?here it is below....
Roach wants Pacquiao to have interim fight posted May. 7, 2009 at 05:28pm
By Michael RosenthalBuzz up!
Freddie Roach, Manny Pacquiao’s trainer, wants the boxer to have an interim fight this summer before he faces the winner of Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Juan Manuel Marquez or another big-name opponent at year’s end.
Roach believes an interim fight would keep Pacquiao sharp for whatever comes his way. The Filipino’s quick demolition of Ricky Hatton means he has fought less than two rounds since he stopped Oscar De La Hoya last December.
The question is: Who would he face? There’s no obvious answer.
Timothy Bradley and Edwin Valero are possibilities.
Bradley, THE RING’s No. 2-rated 140-pounder might be a good choice because his style is similar to that of Mayweather, who most believe will beat Marquez on July 18. However, Bradley is a relative unknown and would generate relatively little interest.
Valero, rated No. 3 at lightweight, would be an intriguing opponent because of his record – 25 opponents, 25 KOs – but he might be too big a risk with a megafight looming afterward even though Pacquiao would be a heavy favorite.
“Valero’s a question mark. Why blow a fight with Mayweather for that?” Roach said.
Beyond that, Roach is certain of only one thing: Pacquiao will not fight Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., a 6-foot 154-pounder who would make for more of a circus act than a legitimate fight.
“That will not happen,” Roach said. “I guarantee it. It’s a joke. I don’t know what’s going to happen. I’m still trying to work out what’s best for Manny.”
The biggest possible matchup in the sport is Pacquiao-Mayweather, which probably will happen assuming Mayweather wins in July, Pacquiao wins an interim fight or decides to not to have one, and the two sides agree on a contract.
However, there are potential problems already. Mayweather wants a 60-40 split in his favor, which Pacuqiao – the No. 1 attraction in boxing -- undoubtedly will find unacceptable. Remember what happened when Hatton wanted a 50-50 split?
“It just isn’t going to happen,” Roach said.
If it doesn’t, that would fine with Roach.
His ideal scenario – “a dream come true,” he said -- is an upset by Marquez in July. That way Pacquiao wouldn’t have to fight Mayweather, against whom Pacquiao doesn’t match up well, and he’d get a third meeting with the Mexican fighter and a chance to prove he is the better of the two.
Roach also likes perspective matchups against Shane Mosley and Miguel Cotto more than Mayweather.
“It’s the biggest fight out there for Manny, which is what we want,” Roach said of Mayweather. “I think it’s a very, very tough fight, though. It’s winnable, but a counter-puncher style gives us the most difficulty.
“If (Mayweather) priced himself out of the fight, that’d be fine with me too. Manny can fight Mosley or Cotto. The thing about Mayweather is that even if you beat him, you probably look bad doing it because he runs. He’s boring.”
The problem with Mosley and Cotto is weight.
Roach believes Pacquiao-Mosley would be the most fan-friendly fight but Mosley wants to do battle at 147, which won’t happen. Cotto might be a better candidate because he has said he’d go down to 144 for the fight, although Roach said he might make 143 the limit.
Mayweather, the smallest of the potential opponents, probably would have the least trouble making a catch weight.
“I’d rather fight a guy who will fight us, to be honest with you,” Roach said, “a guy we have a chance of knocking out and vice versa. That would be exciting for the fans. I think the best option would be Shane. The only problem is that Shane wants to fight at 147, which we’re not going to do.
“I gotta protect my guy. Manny weighed 138 after breakfast (on Saturday).”
Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions, which is promoting the Mayweather-Marquez fight, is optimistic regardless of what happens.
“No matter how you slice it, you have a lot of great fights,” he said. “That’s the good news. With Shane, Mayweather, Marquez, Pacquiao and Cotto, you have five guys who you can mix and match and make big, meaningful fights.
“It’s a great time to be a boxing fan.”
Pacquiao-Marquez: A third fight between Pacquiao and Marquez would be attractive to both fighters because their first two meetings – a draw and a split decision for Pacquiao -- have been inconclusive.
Schaefer did some math on the two meetings. The fighters fought 24 rounds, which means three judges scored a total of 72 rounds. Of those, 41 were won by Marquez, 31 by Pacquiao. Meanwhile, Pacquiao has the edge in actual points – 679-678.
“After 24 rounds of fighting, it comes down to one point,” Schaefer said. “That’s amazing. The fight on Saturday (between Pacquiao and Hatton) showed us, one, that Pacquiao is very good and, two, how great Juan Manuel Marquez is.
“I would count him out (against Mayweather), I’ll tell you that much.”
Roach said Pacquiao has improved considerably since his second fight with Marquez, in March of last year, and predicted his fighter would stop Marquez inside three rounds.
“It’s a bold statement, I know, but I truly believe it,” Roach said. “Manny is that much better.”
Michael Rosenthal can be reached at RingTVeditor@yahoo.comn
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The article above finds VALERO too dangerous an opponent.Even Roach seem fearful of VALERO.
Is PACQUIAO being driven away to a fight vs. VALERO by his promoters?Was VALERO'S career sacrificed because of MANNY'S?
Manny 's charisma indeed did wonders for his career.
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The article above finds VALERO too dangerous an opponent.Even Roach seem fearful of VALERO.
Is PACQUIAO being driven away to a fight vs. VALERO by his promoters?Was VALERO'S career sacrificed because of MANNY'S?
Manny 's charisma indeed did wonders for his career.
This is like a murder mystery for you huh?
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I get the feeling that Roach doesn't want to push for the Mayweather fight at all, and gives the impression that the money is the only benefit. Let's face it, he's not a guy who doesn't say what he means, he pushed for both the Oscar & Ricky fights, from a lot of things I've seen him say he doesn't appear keen on Mayweather, I even got that impression when I met him in Vegas & someone mentioned Floyd.
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The article above finds VALERO too dangerous an opponent.Even Roach seem fearful of VALERO.
Is PACQUIAO being driven away to a fight vs. VALERO by his promoters?Was VALERO'S career sacrificed because of MANNY'S?
Manny 's charisma indeed did wonders for his career.
This is like a murder mystery for you huh?
Not actually ,these are frustration thoughts brought about by my wish of PACQUIAO VS,VALERO fight to happen since two years ago.Valero had big chances of winning then.Im sad that if the fight if ever happens now,VALERO will be overmatched.Nevertheless ,i still wish it happens,though valero's chances now seem nil,i still want to see a slambang fight.
