Yeh me too, had it even after 11Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Yeh me too, had it even after 11Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Numbers 1 & 2, I definitely agree with, but 3,4 & 5 just don't work because those are all close fights which I've heard people score to both fighters. I thought Mayweather beat Castillo by a round, that Oscar beat Trinidad by 2 & the Whitaker beat Oscar by 2, but none of that makes them robberies, it just makes them close fights. People throw the word robbery around far too much, I remember all kinds of nonsense like that on here after the Berto-Collazo fight. The Lewis-Holyfield first fight should undoubtedly be in there, as should Oscar-Sturm IMO. Can't think of another off-hand, but Emmanuel Augustus could have a Top 10 all on his own.
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Originally Posted by JazMerkin
agreed 1 & 2 are valid and 3,4 and 5 are a bit silly.
I had all 3 of those fights scored to the eventual winner and again why i dont mind people refering to these close calls as incorrect i find it extremely harsh to refer to these as robberys.
If you wanna talk robberys talk lewis-holyfield 1, chris john getting the decision over marquez in indonesia, and as youve already mentioned the 3 115-113 scorecards for ODLH over sturm (ODLH winning wasnt what was fishy it was the 3 EXACT scores that was)
So far this year thankfully we`ve been treated to some spectacular knockouts in the big fights by the likes of pacquiao, mosley, dunne, froch etc and the only questionable decision i can think of from the top of my head was berto getting the win over collazo.
lets hope this trend continues throughout 2009 ;D
Might have to watch that one, not seen that Oscar fight. What youre saying about the scorecards is what i thought about the Dawson-Johnson fight all being 116-112 Dawson, that stunk bigtime. All exactly the same very wrong score, whats that about?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Btw im not saying it was one of the BIGGEST robberies ever in terms of a declared winner but I thought it was in scoring terms. By my book youd have to score every single close round to Dawson to get that score (Johnson clearly without a doubt won 4 rounds but there were 5 close rounds). All 3 judges scoring every close round to Dawson, thats 3 lots of 5 close rounds going 15-0 to Dawson. My score was actually 116-112 Johnson fwiw.
I just watched number 5 on that list, Mayweather v Castillo.
I scored it a 113-113 draw (6-6 with 1pt deduction for each fighter). So to put it on the top robberies of all time is laughable frankly.
For me it was pretty much a tale of 2 halves, with Mayweather owning the 1st half and Castillo owning the 2nd. I had it 4-3 to Castillo in clean rounds and I scored the 5 close rounds 3-2 to Mayweather.
Having said that the actual point scores were way out of order (115-111 x2 and 116-111). So the scores were awful but real close fight. Kind of reminiscent of the scoring I mentioned above in the Dawson v Johnson match, every close round got scored for Mayweather across the board 15-0.
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Originally Posted by Tarugo
The reason that fight is controversial is because of ten point must. Anyone being fair cannot score the fight any better than 113/112 Tommy; thus a split draw is fair.
It is just Ray sneaked a few of his winning rounds and Tommy dominated his winning rounds. But with the exception of the knock down rounds, he did not do enough to win them any better than 10-9; which is the same as Ray got for winning rounds by landing half dozen more punches......
Dorin clearly dominated Spadafora a few years ago in one of the best fight of the year but one of the judges saw it draw and another one gave it to Paul, one of the worst draw decisions IMO.
Spinks vs. Mayorga.
Ricardo Mayorga was robbed in that fight, with terrible judging and bs point deductions. They took an exciting power punching welterweights title and gave it to a boring runner because of his last name.
A lot of the fights being mentioned were close not robberies. However Leonard himself admitted he should not have got the decision. Hearns jab won most of the rounds, Leonard had two big rounds think the last and round 5 but the knockdowns were the definite clinchers. (Another reason to hate you Brit Kid- LOL)Quote:
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Originally Posted by Tarugo
The reason that fight is controversial is because of ten point must. Anyone being fair cannot score the fight any better than 113/112 Tommy; thus a split draw is fair.
It is just Ray sneaked a few of his winning rounds and Tommy dominated his winning rounds. But with the exception of the knock down rounds, he did not do enough to win them any better than 10-9; which is the same as Ray got for winning rounds by landing half dozen more punches......
golatavsbyrd-golatavsruiz-golata-won-both.
Yeah, Golota Ruiz was a real robbery...
Forrest - Quartey (Quartey clearly won this one)
Leonard - Hagler...any persons who knows boxing will score it for Hagler...other, those who never entered in a gym will score Leonard. but this not a robbery :-)
but still, LEwis Holifield 1 was the bigger robbery I ever witnessed apart from Chavez - Whitaker
Walcott-Louis #1
Lewis-Holyfield #1
Briggs-Foreman--unreal
Pintor-Zarate
And the worse of all tiime: Tiberi-Toney. Are you kidding me?
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Tiberi-Toney worse one in history by far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:angryxo4: I was there in AC live and still cannot believe what I saw that night.
Was pretty bad indeed.Was it Dierdorf?I thought he was going to stroke out right then and there.Strange why Tiberi never fought again??Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Tiberi-Toney worse one in history by far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:angryxo4: I was there in AC live and still cannot believe what I saw that night.
Dave had his feelings hurt and wanted to be near Christ he said.
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Yeah, that pretty well sums it up. He got disgusted and just walked away. He is a deeply religious bloke and now has a nephew fighting who is 8-0. He also has a good buisness and is doing very well for himself. Nice guy.
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Originally Posted by SpicoliWas pretty bad indeed.Was it Dierdorf?I thought he was going to stroke out right then and there.Strange why Tiberi never fought again??Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Tiberi-Toney worse one in history by far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:angryxo4: I was there in AC live and still cannot believe what I saw that night.
Yep, it was Dierdorf. A hush fell across Trumps as the people just stood their in disbelief. Toney, who was hanging across the rops totally exhausted, showed shock, albeit pleasant, when the decision was announced. Then, the croed started yelling "bullshit bullshit" and that went on for quite some time.
I disagree BK i just watched that again recently and to me SRL only won 2 rounds really clearly, and that was the 5th and the 12th. Where he badly stunned Thomas Hearns.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidQuote:
Originally Posted by Tarugo
The reason that fight is controversial is because of ten point must. Anyone being fair cannot score the fight any better than 113/112 Tommy; thus a split draw is fair.
It is just Ray sneaked a few of his winning rounds and Tommy dominated his winning rounds. But with the exception of the knock down rounds, he did not do enough to win them any better than 10-9; which is the same as Ray got for winning rounds by landing half dozen more punches......
And the 5th round was a 10-8 round for SRL no question, but the 12th round clearly wasn't. I don't care what the punchstats said Thomas Hearns clearly made it his kind of fight.
He controlled the fight mostly from the outside with his long jab, and SRL was slower than normal and struggled to get on the inside. He took Thomas Hearns a bit lightly cause he see Thomas Hearns get layed out by Iran Barkley.
And he thought sooner or later he would be able to catch up to Thomas Hearns suspect chin, but that wasn't the case he was frustrated mostly all night long and he only won about 4 rounds IMO. And even SRL said himself he lost the fight, so i think that basically ends the debate of anyone who thought it was close enough for SRL to earn a draw.