Re: Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september
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Lyle
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JT Rock
Since when do Ring Champions who move up in weight class need to start from ground 0?
It simply dosent happen Lyle and you know it. He cleaned out and Unified his division and proven himself a worldclass fighter at the highest level. All those things dont go by the way side over a few pounds.
You are a biased. End of
Boxing is a business, Haye is Marketable the rest of the division isint. The only one I would argue about is Arreola. He is fat and ugly but he is exciting and has a certain working class charm and demeanor. IMO he has earned his shot.
Did I say Haye needed to start at ground 0??? NO! But here's the deal David Haye is the Ring Champion for the cruiserweight division and he moved up to heavyweight with a lot of buzz behind him and he fought MONTE BARRETT....so my issue with David Haye is that he was Ring Champion, he talked the way a guy who wanted an immediate title shot needed to talk BUT he fought Monte Barrett it doesn't add up.
As for weight, sure someone like Ezzard Charles and Hank Armstrong could move up and down in weight and not be effected at all and someone like Ricky Hatton who was a World Class fighter at 140 but move him up to 147 and he couldn't do shit...so while it might not matter for SOME fighters it is an issue and one that David Haye hasn't even tried to answer or even put the boxing fans at ease about, and therefore I question him.
But if you want to go ahead and call be biased fine, I just call it as I see it and I saw David Haye run his mouth and then fight a bum BY CHOICE, if Haye is such a huge draw etc then why fight a bum when he could have lured over a bigger name or a more dangerous fighter. It seemed to me as if David didn't want to test himself.....but I thought the guy was world class???? If he's world class then why doesn't he want to SHOW IT???
Wait a minute Lyle. There were a lot of fighters who turned down Offers from David Haye. You can't blame him for that. At the end of the day he still fought someone Wlad has fought at HW and dealt with him quicker than Wlad.
Re: Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
Since when do Ring Champions who move up in weight class need to start from ground 0?
It simply dosent happen Lyle and you know it. He cleaned out and Unified his division and proven himself a worldclass fighter at the highest level. All those things dont go by the way side over a few pounds.
You are a biased. End of
Boxing is a business, Haye is Marketable the rest of the division isint. The only one I would argue about is Arreola. He is fat and ugly but he is exciting and has a certain working class charm and demeanor. IMO he has earned his shot.
Did I say Haye needed to start at ground 0??? NO! But here's the deal David Haye is the Ring Champion for the cruiserweight division and he moved up to heavyweight with a lot of buzz behind him and he fought MONTE BARRETT....so my issue with David Haye is that he was Ring Champion, he talked the way a guy who wanted an immediate title shot needed to talk BUT he fought Monte Barrett it doesn't add up.
As for weight, sure someone like Ezzard Charles and Hank Armstrong could move up and down in weight and not be effected at all and someone like Ricky Hatton who was a World Class fighter at 140 but move him up to 147 and he couldn't do shit...so while it might not matter for SOME fighters it is an issue and one that David Haye hasn't even tried to answer or even put the boxing fans at ease about, and therefore I question him.
But if you want to go ahead and call be biased fine, I just call it as I see it and I saw David Haye run his mouth and then fight a bum BY CHOICE, if Haye is such a huge draw etc then why fight a bum when he could have lured over a bigger name or a more dangerous fighter. It seemed to me as if David didn't want to test himself.....but I thought the guy was world class???? If he's world class then why doesn't he want to SHOW IT???
Wait a minute Lyle. There were a lot of fighters who turned down Offers from David Haye. You can't blame him for that. At the end of the day he still fought someone Wlad has fought at HW and dealt with him quicker than Wlad.
What top HW fighters turned down offers to fight Haye? Wlad fought Monte when he had 1 split decision loss and was still a possible up and comer 9 years ago. Haye fought Monte when he had 6 losses and was washed up. I cant believe you people are sticking by Haye, who talked a bunch of crap, got what he wanted (fight with Wlad), then got scared and pulled out with a fake injury......I feel sorry for you if Haye is your hero.:rolleyes:
Re: Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september
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Hunter
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rjj tszyu
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Lyle
Did I say Haye needed to start at ground 0??? NO! But here's the deal David Haye is the Ring Champion for the cruiserweight division and he moved up to heavyweight with a lot of buzz behind him and he fought MONTE BARRETT....so my issue with David Haye is that he was Ring Champion, he talked the way a guy who wanted an immediate title shot needed to talk BUT he fought Monte Barrett it doesn't add up.
As for weight, sure someone like Ezzard Charles and Hank Armstrong could move up and down in weight and not be effected at all and someone like Ricky Hatton who was a World Class fighter at 140 but move him up to 147 and he couldn't do shit...so while it might not matter for SOME fighters it is an issue and one that David Haye hasn't even tried to answer or even put the boxing fans at ease about, and therefore I question him.
But if you want to go ahead and call be biased fine, I just call it as I see it and I saw David Haye run his mouth and then fight a bum BY CHOICE, if Haye is such a huge draw etc then why fight a bum when he could have lured over a bigger name or a more dangerous fighter. It seemed to me as if David didn't want to test himself.....but I thought the guy was world class???? If he's world class then why doesn't he want to SHOW IT???
Wait a minute Lyle. There were a lot of fighters who turned down Offers from David Haye. You can't blame him for that. At the end of the day he still fought someone Wlad has fought at HW and dealt with him quicker than Wlad.
What top HW fighters turned down offers to fight Haye? Wlad fought Monte when he had 1 split decision loss and was still a possible up and comer 9 years ago. Haye fought Monte when he had 6 losses and was washed up. I cant believe you people are sticking by Haye, who talked a bunch of crap, got what he wanted (fight with Wlad), then got scared and pulled out with a fake injury......I feel sorry for you if Haye is your hero.:rolleyes:
I feel sorry for anyone who is a fan of a jabaholic with no testicular fortitude that is so scared his chin will get checked that he dosent have the gumption to finish guys who are for the taking.
Thats what the Champion of the tradition rich division in Boxing does, he is exciting and finishes fights and creates excitement. Klitschko dosent give the masses a compelling reason to tune in and support the division.
I had stated already that there is nothing wrong with Wlad starting off with the jab and 1-2's. But when its clear after 3 rounds his opponent dosent have answers and has been hurt and soften up its time to step on the gas and look for the finish. Not scratch and sniff with the jab for 3-4 more rounds.
Thats not what a heavyweight champ does, if he was a Welter, Middleweight etc. than that is fine but a guy who goes into 99% of his fight with every advantage including weight, height, reach, power and is safety 1st is a despicable representative for such a historically prestigious division.
Re: Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september
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JT Rock
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Hunter
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rjj tszyu
Wait a minute Lyle. There were a lot of fighters who turned down Offers from David Haye. You can't blame him for that. At the end of the day he still fought someone Wlad has fought at HW and dealt with him quicker than Wlad.
What top HW fighters turned down offers to fight Haye? Wlad fought Monte when he had 1 split decision loss and was still a possible up and comer 9 years ago. Haye fought Monte when he had 6 losses and was washed up. I cant believe you people are sticking by Haye, who talked a bunch of crap, got what he wanted (fight with Wlad), then got scared and pulled out with a fake injury......I feel sorry for you if Haye is your hero.:rolleyes:
I feel sorry for anyone who is a fan of a jabaholic with no testicular fortitude that is so scared his chin will get checked that he dosent have the gumption to finish guys who are for the taking.
Thats what the Champion of the tradition rich division in Boxing does, he is exciting and finishes fights and creates excitement. Klitschko dosent give the masses a compelling reason to tune in and support the division.
I had stated already that there is nothing wrong with Wlad starting off with the jab and 1-2's. But when its clear after 3 rounds his opponent dosent have answers and has been hurt and soften up its time to step on the gas and look for the finish. Not scratch and sniff with the jab for 3-4 more rounds.
Thats not what a heavyweight champ does, if he was a Welter, Middleweight etc. than that is fine but a guy who goes into 99% of his fight with every advantage including weight, height, reach, power and is safety 1st is a despicable representative for such a historically prestigious division.
he doesnt need to be a showpony to win a fight...he is effective enough at what he does
Why the hell would either klitschko sacrifice a win over looking pretty doing it when they are so good at what they do.
I can understand mayweather getting criticised for fighting on the back foot but at heavyweight its a whole different story. it takes one solid punch for the fight to be over and despite the fact they more often than not represent a heighth, weight advantage over their opponents a 220 pound lump laying a solid shot flash on your chin however average a boxer he is will knock you out cold.
Re: Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september
Poor Haye... at least, we can give him that he has some balls hehe. For the Hairy giant freak, the problem comes from Don King who would ask for some impossible demands to make it happens (typical Don King fashion). Anyway, the giant will have his beating a day or another.
Re: Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september
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hattonthehammer
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JT Rock
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Hunter
What top HW fighters turned down offers to fight Haye? Wlad fought Monte when he had 1 split decision loss and was still a possible up and comer 9 years ago. Haye fought Monte when he had 6 losses and was washed up. I cant believe you people are sticking by Haye, who talked a bunch of crap, got what he wanted (fight with Wlad), then got scared and pulled out with a fake injury......I feel sorry for you if Haye is your hero.:rolleyes:
I feel sorry for anyone who is a fan of a jabaholic with no testicular fortitude that is so scared his chin will get checked that he dosent have the gumption to finish guys who are for the taking.
Thats what the Champion of the tradition rich division in Boxing does, he is exciting and finishes fights and creates excitement. Klitschko dosent give the masses a compelling reason to tune in and support the division.
I had stated already that there is nothing wrong with Wlad starting off with the jab and 1-2's. But when its clear after 3 rounds his opponent dosent have answers and has been hurt and soften up its time to step on the gas and look for the finish. Not scratch and sniff with the jab for 3-4 more rounds.
Thats not what a heavyweight champ does, if he was a Welter, Middleweight etc. than that is fine but a guy who goes into 99% of his fight with every advantage including weight, height, reach, power and is safety 1st is a despicable representative for such a historically prestigious division.
he doesnt need to be a showpony to win a fight...he is effective enough at what he does
Why the hell would either klitschko sacrifice a win over looking pretty doing it when they are so good at what they do.
I can understand mayweather getting criticised for fighting on the back foot but at heavyweight its a whole different story. it takes one solid punch for the fight to be over and despite the fact they more often than not represent a heighth, weight advantage over their opponents a 220 pound lump laying a solid shot flash on your chin however average a boxer he is will knock you out cold.
Funny you should say that, because every other heavyweight champ in history thought it was necessary to finish a fighter that was hurt and ready to go:rolleyes:
Re: Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september
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mofo2
I'm not sure about this one Vitali is a lot stronger than Wlad who I'd fancy Haye to beat..This will be a tough call for me.
If Haye can keep moving and boxes a clever fight he could be in with a shout...but I wonder wether he will be able to take the power of the shots he will face!
The one thing he has going for him is the quantity and quality of shots he lands on an opponent,but wether he has enough to finish Vitali I don't know as I don't think Haye has enough to go 12 rounds and needs to stop him!
I'm sitting on the fence until its made;D
When has Haye ever been clever? Dead man walking.
Re: Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september
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RozzySean
When has Haye ever been clever? Dead man walking.
Give David some credit.... he did design that t-shirt after all :rolleyes:
Re: Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september
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RozzySean
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mofo2
I'm not sure about this one Vitali is a lot stronger than Wlad who I'd fancy Haye to beat..This will be a tough call for me.
If Haye can keep moving and boxes a clever fight he could be in with a shout...but I wonder wether he will be able to take the power of the shots he will face!
The one thing he has going for him is the quantity and quality of shots he lands on an opponent,but wether he has enough to finish Vitali I don't know as I don't think Haye has enough to go 12 rounds and needs to stop him!
I'm sitting on the fence until its made;D
When has Haye ever been clever? Dead man walking.
I sense from your're post you have'nt actually watched Haye fight:cool:
