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I see you didn't answer the question...and it's not common knowledge that roy used HGH for the ruiz fight in fact what is common is speculative bullshit by people that didn't favor Jones for whatever reason. I guess he was using it as a an amateur too, because he looked exactly like person of his style and training would look like whooping ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
So I'll ask you again: What fights were stripped from jones?
That's the whole point of the bullshit to tarnish Jones...how can a man that's been on top from 1992 till 2003, hold numerous belts by different sanctioning bodies get away with those allegations? He doesn't unless he's innocent....Those that are on top get tested the most....Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09Thats pretty damn interesting and if it is true then most of his career is tarnished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Whether or not any fights were stripped is irrelevant, Things like this get hid under the table all the time IE (We Crucify Ben Johnson and do nothing to Carl Lewis although they've both tested positive, Lewis' people hid the results as long as they could) Good Lawyers and Money can keep these stories from breaking. Don't tell me you believe Roy put on 30 lbs in 4 mnths, maintained his boxing conditoning and was as fast as ever against Ruiz without using anything it's IMPOSSIBLE to do. I'm shocked at the free passes given to Mosley and Jones from the boxing community
Look at Carl Lewis hes tested positive and hes still a good ale american hero + don't you know that cheaters are 10 years ahead of testers
Whether fights were stripped is irrelevant (good lawyers among other things can keep things hidden) the fact is Roy CHEATED. Don't tell me you bbelieve he put on 30 LBS n 4 mnths and kept his sped and conditioning NATURALLY because that's IMPOSSIBLE
While you want to post bullshit articles here are three:Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Roy Jones Junior: Steroid Abuse - Boxing Forum
And again since you don't have any facts, but speculative bullshit Why keep the rumor going? jones is first ballot HOF and no one is going to support an argument that suggest otherwise..
So I guess ESPN only reports "speculative bullshit" if it's about your beloved Roy. Anyone who believes these supplement excuses is a fool. If it's "speculative bullshit" name one other athlete who's names come up in steroid talk who was proven NOT TO TAKE STEROIDS. The Carl Lewis story is a funny one. He tested positive twice but for obvious reasons the head of the US Olympic board or whatever at the time dint release them
It ain't my beloved Roy, it's your hated Roy. You don't have proof...period. ESPN, CNN, FOX, SKY, ABC, NBC, SETNA, whoever I don't care point is until the smoking gun is found who the hell are you to continue with the allegations? A fucking nobody going around trying to tarnish man for whatever motive you might have. Now I don't car either way if jones tested positive and was found guilty, stripped of titles then how can one argue? But since he wasn't, why the hell would I insist he was?Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
If you want to know what happens when you cheat in boxing? Ask James Toney, Margarito, Resto, And panama lewis...
I agree with you Daxx on all your points.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I dont hate Roy in fact I was a fan before he tested positive but the fact that you fail to realize is Roy cheated and I will call him out on it everytime. I like how you're acting as if I'm jealous of him I've never tried or wanted tto become a world classs boxer, making a bit of money for food n shelter suits me just fine
You can call him out anytime you'd like...but if he tested positive why wasn't the fight stripped..Like toney's against ruiz, like margarito being suspended, like panama being banned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Shy Does Mosley still have his win over De La Hoya when he tested positive?
Politics Politics Politics, I love how you're trying to show boxing is fair and that justice would've been srved and all that garbage even though boxing is probably the most corrupt sport in the world
Shane mosley has his win over oscar because the victim says he believed shane to be innocent of knowingly cheating...so if the victim is cool with it why can't you be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Because he cheated and it's bad for the sport to not punish someone when they've cheated regardless of how other parties involved feel.
IT was a small amount and was a result of an over the counter thing called Ripped Fuel. And I'm pretty sure Roy didn't know about it. And regardless of that he didn't need it to beat Richard Hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Richard Hall tested positive as well. But he wouldn't have been subjected to punishment because at the time it was the IBF that was testing Jones because he was the champion, and the WBA was where Richard Hall was ranked so he wasn't subjected to any punishment whatsoever since the IBF was the one making the call as Jones was their champion and the winner whereas Hall wasn't rated by their organization.
So case in point is that if Roy had tested positive on both the A sample and the B sample he would have gotten punished and Hall wouldn't, so both sides wouldn't have been punished equally anyway it would have ALL fallen on Jones. Which wouldn't have been fair either.
And why Roy wasn't stripped of his titles?
Here's why, because you give two tests an A sample and B sample. If the A sample is positive the B sample is sent to the commission to be tested, if it comes back positive your title is vacated. Roy's came back negative.
And he was required to give his samples in his next two fights, both of which came back negative as well. So it was as simple as Roy being informed Ripped Fuel had an illegal substance in it and Roy didn't use it anymore. Simple as that.
So can we quit with all the "he cheated he was steroid using" stuff?
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Originally Posted by FensterIn this interview he says he started boxing at seven and won his first title at nine.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnIf he did it was news to me because I see zero proof of him ever having an amateur record...or at least one to brag about like that one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Unless it nis fact I pay little attention to things like amateur claims....Unless a fighter goes national champ or in Olympics it is hard to know what they actually did or did not achieve
Age started boxing: I started at seven as a youth. Then I went to Graterford (prison) for five years and I picked it back up in there. But (I started) as a pro in ‘88. So I started at seven.
Early Boxing Memory: Winning Pennsylvania Junior Olympics when I was nine. Won a trophy which had to be two-feet tall! When I won that I was the baby in the gym. We had guys like Robert Hines. I got my butt kicked 95% of the time in the gym by guys who were bigger and older than me. But I was too advanced for my level. I beat a guy named ‘Bunchie’ Williams, a good, good amateur who went 12-1 as a pro but then I think drugs got him.
Bernard Hopkins | BoxingInsider.com
In prison he won the national penitentiary middleweight championship three times.
I'm not sure about his exact amateur record. Ive seen it reported at 95-4 too, but whatever it was Hopkins was clearly well versed in boxing before turning pro. ;)
Hmm...Gotta say mate first I ever heard of him having such a record....I am taking it that he fought a bunch of local amatur shows and such..nothing on a USA, Ringside tourney level etc....
Thanks for the link to the article
Even if you believe a supplement caused the test, explain how you put on 30 lbs in 4 mnths and retain your speed and conditioning naturally.
it actually was six months...and when you're a professional athlete who has nothing else to worry about except working out two to three times a day that's nothing. Not to mention jones went from 174 to 193...that's 19 pounds in six months. I once gained six pounds of muscle in one month with a job and no supplements just working out twice a day. So its easy when that's all you have to do with your time. Not to mention earning 10millionQuote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Michael Moorer?Pretty sure he had a regiment of corn dogs and grits going though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
1,Roy Jones
2,B hop
3,Calzaghe and he only made 3rd because these are the 3 names you gave because from Eubank to Lacy he did basically nothing to write home about. He would have been beaten easy by both Hopkins and Jones had Calzaghe fought them at there best. He only just beat an old Hopkins and i think Hopkins won and i think Jones wanted a pay day and wasnt going to beat Calzaghe no matter what i think he was gunna let Calzaghe win.
You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't
You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't
You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't
You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't
You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't. In Boxing you can't bulk up like that because of the amount of conditioning that is required.
Whats with the multiple posts in a row ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Aerobic conditioning? He didn't need it in the ruiz fight because he fought at his own pace. Not to mention Shilstone cut his road workouts during the preparation for that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Yeah that's who he had for his conditioning in that fight... MAckie Shilstone...so if roy used HGH then you're saying Shilstone is dirty which would make BHOP dirty too...
BHOP's body was very thick for a middleweight and he was walking around at around 168 between fights. therefore he put on about 10 lbs not to mention he was vegetarian to stay at middleweight and going on a meat eating diet would put weight on immediately. Also BHOP's neck circumference didn't blow up like Jones'. Putting on 10 lbs is tough but possible.
Ive been weight training 7 month and ive gone from 16stone 2lbs ( 226lbs) to 18 stone 1lbs ( 253lbs ) all Natural so you can gain more than 1kg per month as fenster would say FACT.;);D
Thanks for that back up...I'm done with this guy..he seems to be hell bent on believing that Roy is a cheater without facts...so fuck him as Martin Lawrence would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Just weight training you can put on tons of weight but when you're trying to retain your speed and conditioning and train for a fight you can't put on that much weight
Right stop me if im wrong but werent it a trace of HGH or something in a protein drink so it werent a big enough dose to make a difference plus Roy wouldnt know as it was in a protein shake?
Also He weighs in at 174-175lbs for light-Heavy but he didn't have to make weight so he would be totally Hydrated that alone could add about 7lbs then your only looking for how he gained 12lbs which is easy to do. Also his speed was good but he was fighting John Ruiz and at Heavy Roy was still small and fast he would have been fast against any heavy i think your reading to much into things.