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You know they had been kind of strange about the weight and I had heard talk that there might be a surprise come fight night so this isn't that surprising.
If there was no attempted re weigh in its pretty clearly its a deal where Floyd just didn't want to lose the extra two, feels stronger at 146.
You know something Kel, I'm calling Bullshit on your asss. YOU SHUT THE FUK UP!!!! JMM signed the contracts did he not??? What do you care anyway? You really think 144-146 is going to be that dramatic? The way your carrying on does nothing but minimize all JMM efforts, trainingQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Well he has made no sacrifice to fight a lightweight so it is a big deal, we were all lead to think the fight was at a catch of 144. So shut your arse up.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Nothing was ever officialy announced it was all speculation apparently. Keith Kizer said Maywether was right it was a Welterweight fight with no side agreement/penalty for coming in 144
What a load of bullshiit.
Floyd Mayweather is an absoloute disgrace to boxing. And disresepctful towards Juan Manuel Marquez. What a fukking cock that man is. If 144 is agreed then it should be stuck to. Who the fukk is he to take the weight into his own hands. I hope his ass gets fined a million dollars for this.
I was starting slowly to give Floyd respect. I've even put money on him tomorrow night. But i can safely say I will never follow him again after those weight antics. What a load of shiit. I hope his ass gets KNFO for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Mayweather is a fucking joke, not only is he fighting a guy who was fighting at 130 only 18 months ago and has only had two fights over 130 he decides to get even more of an advantage by not cutting to 144, this was calculated imo, no way someone like Mayweather cant cut to 144.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Lost alot of my respect tonight.
Same feelings as me. I am shocked and upset by this carry on. Surely the fight was at 144, Mayweather should have forced out a dump and got into the sauna and run for 30 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Mayweather is a fucking joke, not only is he fighting a guy who was fighting at 130 only 18 months ago and has only had two fights over 130 he decides to get even more of an advantage by not cutting to 144, this was calculated imo, no way someone like Mayweather cant cut to 144.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Lost alot of my respect tonight.
It must have been calculated and once again boxing looks like a sorry excuse for a sport. Marquez was the man having to bulk up two weight classes, the least Mayweather could have done is trim a couple of pounds.
Screw him. Mayweather shows himself once again as the cnut that we all know he is so good at being. :rolleyes:
Anybody think Cotto will weigh in at 147 for the Pacquiao fight ? HELL NO.
Fraud Mayweather is a pussy.
All credit has to go to Marquez now, Mayweather just ruined any chance of getting any respect for a victory!
But now should Marquez pull of the upset it'll be huge!!!
Mayweather's got no excuses now if he loses...
I dont know what to believe, I mean like JT says no one seemed to complain, it he was over surely well no defintly there would of been some sort of protest from Dela Hoya/Marquez. If it was agreed from the outset it's at 147 thats fine, can anyone provide a link to who and when it was said this fight was 144??Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Shocker.Floyd not given a shit about the agreed upon weight.Throw money at the situation and keep pounding your chest ya empty suit.You know what,f!!k him,I hope he gets his ass beat inside out some day and he does not deserve Marquezs scalp on his resume.
Weigh-in blog: Mayweather misses weight - Las Vegas SunQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983I dont know what to believe, I mean like JT says no one seemed to complain, it he was over surely well no defintly there would of been some sort of protest from Dela Hoya/Marquez. If it was agreed from the outset it's at 147 thats fine, can anyone provide a link to who and when it was said this fight was 144??Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Richard Schaefer is quoted in this report.
Is there A vid of the weigh in ??
I try and I try to like Floyd in addition to his great boxing ability, but he just makes it easy for people to hate on him. The weigh in was a shakedown on Marquez. And some may say "it's only two pounds," but its about more than that. It's about honor! You agree to a weight you should meet it. And if you don't, you should do like all other boxers are forced to: run the pounds off and weigh in again a couple of hours later. This is total bull.
It obviously makes some difference, I get why people are saying it doesn't, cause Floyd's a counterpuncher, not a physical fighter, but he was willing to give up money (and Floyd Mayweather loves money) because he knew he'd be stronger and better at 146, so obviously it makes a difference.
I didn't think he'd have any problem making 144 though :o Because he's never been big at all at 147, I figured he and Cotto would both be fine. Of course Cotto will probably just come in at 147 ;D
Everyone heard 144, I read 144 in many articles and once all bets are made and the fight is paid for.........Floyd is fighting at his ideal weight! Well fuck me!Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockYou know something Kel, I'm calling Bullshit on your asss. YOU SHUT THE FUK UP!!!! JMM signed the contracts did he not??? What do you care anyway? You really think 144-146 is going to be that dramatic? The way your carrying on does nothing but minimize all JMM efforts, trainingQuote:
Originally Posted by KelWell he has made no sacrifice to fight a lightweight so it is a big deal, we were all lead to think the fight was at a catch of 144. So shut your arse up.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Nothing was ever officialy announced it was all speculation apparently. Keith Kizer said Maywether was right it was a Welterweight fight with no side agreement/penalty for coming in 144
Even the 24/7 mentioned the 144 weight anyway, so shut up, sit the fuck down, and watch Floyd beat another cherry picked poor fucker who has EVERYTHING againsed him.
Run with it, bitch tits!
Cotto fights anyone, Floyd fights the lowest risk for the highest reward. Floyd is a pathetic little cunt, end of.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Heres the weigh in check 30 seconds in Dela Hoya looks like he just seen a ghost when he realises he weighs 146.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teooL..._embedded#t=35
Not looking good for Floyd, bit unusual no one says anything though?? You would think that more would of been said really weird situation this?? wtf is going on?
Thanks for the the vid Skel.They cut away from Oscar but he's no dummy.Think they knew exactly what was up.Floyds playing the fans for suckers.
The deck is stacked in every way against Marquez but no doubt he will fight his azz off and maintain his professionalism to the very end one way or another!!
Some more info I just found :
Floyd Mayweather Jr. weighed in at 146 pounds on Friday afternoon, two pounds heavier than the weight stipulated in the contract for his comeback fight against lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.The excess weight will cost Mayweather $300,000 per pound, meaning Marquez will get an additional $600,000 on top of his $3.2 million guarantee, a source told ESPN.com. Mayweather's minimum guarantee is $10 million, a figure likely to dramatically increase after the pay-per-view receipts are counted.
Marquez, who has never fought heavier than 135 pounds, comfortably made 142 pounds, two less than the 144-pound contract weight.
At Mayweather's request, nobody would speak publicly about the contract weight throughout the promotion that kicked off in early May and continued into the fall when the fight was postponed from July 18 because of a Mayweather rib injury.
However, several sources with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com all along that the contract maximum weight was 144 pounds, three less than the 147-pound welterweight maximum.
But after Friday's weigh in, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer finally addressed the issue, telling ESPN.com, "The fight was contracted as a welterweight fight with an agreed upon weight of 144 pounds. However, there were pre-negotiated weight penalties built in."
Schaefer would not disclose the dollar figure, but another source with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com that the penalty was $300,000 per pound if either fighter was overweight.
According to the source, the Marquez camp knew Wednesday night that Mayweather would not make weight because Mayweather's team made overtures to Golden Boy Promotions in an effort to have Marquez agree to change weight on the bout agreements to be filed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
However, Marquez's contract had already been filed reading 144 pounds, according to commission executive director Keith Kizer. But Kizer said the bout agreement was retrieved from the commission by Golden Boy Promotions and changed to 147 with Marquez initialing it.
Mayweather's contract with 147 pounds was not filed with the commission until minutes before the weigh in. Kizer said it was supposed to be filed on Wednesday.
Kizer said the Mayweather camp asked to file it Thursday and he said OK, but that deadline also came and went.
"We were very unhappy with the lateness of Mr. Mayweather's contract," Kizer said.
Kizer said that had the bout agreements not been changed to 147, Mayweather would have faced a fine from the commission in addition to whatever penalty he had agreed to pay Marquez. For being two pounds overweight, Kizer said the penalty would have been 10 percent of his purse, or $1 million. Had he been three pounds over (147 pounds), the figure would have jumped to a 20 percent fine.
By the way, no one is complaining because everyone involved wins. Marquez makes more money, Floyd loses very little (he will gain much more in pay per view), the promoters still make a killing, and the fans still get a fight. "Money" will lose a little more of his tenuous reputation, but as long as money is made, he does not care one flying fuck.
Everyone is feeling a bit sorry for Marquez but the guy has not really been in big money fights hes 36 years old not to long left in them Mexican legs, i mean if he was offered 600k more if he let Mayweather weigh 146 im sure he would of agreed at the start of negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
Very unprofessional by Mayweather but Marquez is probably gonna make at least 5 million from this fight.
Great observation, Oscar had the WTF look on his face when Buffer announces the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Mayweather sticks it, remains true to the bad boy persona he portrays in public, in disregarding the 144lb weight limit.... anyway he has the "money" to pay off the fine, and whatever it is, for every pound of excess weight.
Fine or no fine... he must have wanted to be the bigger man in the fight so badly, that he ditched the catch-weight altogether , if there ever was one.
If it is OK with JMM, then he must be oozing with confidence at a level tht is alarmingly dangerous. Juan needs confidence alright, but the "over" variety... is a no, no!
Pretty Boy Floyd is the best there is in the business to capitalize from the smallest of advantages. He is unbeaten after 39 pro fights for a reason! How much more of this kind of an advantage?
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Nonito Donaire found himself in a similar situation over in his last fight. His opponent carried 4 lbs of extra weight during weigh-in. Nonito wanted the fight so bad to proceed, he did not raise a howl in protest of this discrepancy.
Sadly for Donaire, it was a formidable disadvantage to go up against with. The guy was so big at fight night, he couldn't hurt the guy.
After the fight, Donaire learned it the hard way, that it was a mistake to disregard the handicap he was placed in as a direct result of the weight disparity.
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I hope this weight disparity does not diminish JMM's power and effectivity against PBF tomorrow night. That is when all the preparations and all the hardwork are put into action. It will be a shame to find that he can land the punches minus any damage whatsoever to PBF.
Floyd cunningly had just negated a ring rust disadvantage with superiority in size! How about that, Jr's brain at work even before the fight!
One can see a mismatch a mile away, and all the hollowed and meaningless value it comes with. Hoping this one isn't!
Where was the big deal made? Where was the protest? Who said anything???? Did the commissioner demand a re-weigh? Did Marquez sign the contract? You dont think that was planned? I have never seen a weigh in as nonchalant as that for someone who missed weight.. No one on the stage gave a fuck no one uttered a peepQuote:
Originally Posted by KelEveryone heard 144, I read 144 in many articles and once all bets are made and the fight is paid for.........Floyd is fighting at his ideal weight! Well fuck me!Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockYou know something Kel, I'm calling Bullshit on your asss. YOU SHUT THE FUK UP!!!! JMM signed the contracts did he not??? What do you care anyway? You really think 144-146 is going to be that dramatic? The way your carrying on does nothing but minimize all JMM efforts, trainingQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Nothing was ever officialy announced it was all speculation apparently. Keith Kizer said Maywether was right it was a Welterweight fight with no side agreement/penalty for coming in 144
Even the 24/7 mentioned the 144 weight anyway, so shut up, sit the fuck down, and watch Floyd beat another cherry picked poor fucker who has EVERYTHING againsed him.
Run with it, bitch tits!
Answer me those questions intelligently and i'll gladly give reverence to your usual slagging and shiit talk
Dont mouth off to me you prick, you disrespected a whole lot of people with your big mouth on this thread and I called you on it!!! So man up you eunuch and admit your fukwitted mouth went to far this time
Easy gents... let's not foul it up.
JMM wins, he deserves a share of the P4P with Manny. PBF wins he can win the P4P title... after beating the winner of the Pacquiao vs Cotto match!
I just watched the same video and Oscars face didnt look any different than it did when they announced Jmm weight.. Again even the Sky team made no mention of a catchweight or anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogGreat observation, Oscar had the WTF look on his face when Buffer announces the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
If JMM manages to win and that's a big if, he's the consensus new no.1. p4p that's not even a debate. Everything and I mean everything is against him in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Mayweather, Marquez weigh in | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7
Sorry guys but those who freaked out need to relax..
Contractual weight was the 147 pound welter limit, but penalties were written into the contract for excess poundage over 144. ”The penalty [for Mayweather] was a significant amount of money,” said Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer.
it was always a welterweight fight with a stop gap deterrent at 144, Floyd did nothing wrong
Floyd Mayweather Jr. owes Juan Manual Marquez $600K after weighing two pounds overweight - ESPN
Wow the plot thickens...Looks like Floyd wasnt going to make weight, called Golden Boy to feel it out and they got marquez contract back from the commission that read 144lbs and JMM initialed it for 147 the Welterweight limit and thats where the penalty came in fro every pound over the original agreed upon weight..
Thats a fukload of controversy for 1 day.. I dont see the weight being a big deal, Floyd dosent have an imposing style that is predicated on power. Should still be a very good tactical contest.
Quite a few beloved boxers couldnt make weight at one time or another. I wonder if its legit
I don't think he tried to make it. In fact I'm pretty sure of it. But seeing what he weighs tomorrow night will tell the story a bit. If he blows up (which he's never done) then it will be a sign that he had a harder time making weight than before. If he comes in 150 or so he just most likely said fuck it, I'm making 10 million, I feel stronger at 146.
And of course it matters, like I said, he obviously feels stronger and better at 146. Its just a question of how much it will matter.
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Originally Posted by KananKrus
I dont think it's anything to do with JMM oozing with confidence, it's the fact JMM cannot afford to not go through with this fight financially, i honestly think he would go threw woth this fight if Mayweather weighed 160.
Seriously mate you need to take the Floyd tinted glasses off, Dela Hoya asks how much ?? then looks a bit confused as a few people have commented.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI just watched the same video and Oscars face didnt look any different than it did when they announced Jmm weight.. Again even the Sky team made no mention of a catchweight or anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogGreat observation, Oscar had the WTF look on his face when Buffer announces the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Dela Hoya is very suprised " Money Mayweather" would give up 600k for 2 lbs.
Floyd will lose a fraction of his purse for them 2lbs but hey at least when Marquez comes round after being knocked the fuck out he has more money now;);D
I think the "shocked" expressions on their faces was just eagerness to see how much money they were taking from him. Serious, check Marquez, he looks gutted it was only two pounds, one more pound over he'd of got a mill. Unlucky.
Surprised a money obsessed man like Floyd would give up $600,000. I think he's looking for a big KO!!!
Marquez is the highest reward? I seriously doubt that especially since people have been crucifying Floyd since this fight was mad e about it. Marquez is the one who will get all the credit if he beats Floyd, if Floyd loses its over for him and Marquez is a very dangerous opponent. Hopkins had no issues moving up from 160 to destroy Antonio Tarver at 175 so we'll see what Marquez does.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelCotto fights anyone, Floyd fights the lowest risk for the highest reward. Floyd is a pathetic little cunt, end of.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Anyway Mayweather has nothing to gain and everything to lose, both Cotto and Pacquiao lose nothing if they fight each other. So it's barely a highest reward situation for Floyd. He'll get his highest reward after he beats Pacquiao after he gets past Cotto.
And you can't blame Mayweather. Pacquiao, and Cotto were both unavailable for this fight not only that but who else was there for Floyd to fight in his comeback. So who was left? If he'd fought Berto then people would just say Floyd was cherry picking a weak title holder. Who else was there? Shane Mosley? Shane was playing the money/draw game so I don't think that fight would have been made anyway. So who else at 147 is he to fight that would have been considered a risk? Marquez was a smart choice for the namesake and the comparisons to victories which people still won't compare.
I think Floyd looked in even better shape than when he fought Ricky Hatton and i still think he will go to stop marquez and im sticking with mayweather to stop him inside 6 rounds
The fact that Mayweather never got to 144lb means he will drain himself and intends to put an impressive beating on JMM. He wins he earns more money against Cotto or Pac.
All this just leaves a sour taste in your mouth! I wanted JMM to win anyway but now I'm praying he wins!
PBF said in 24/7 last week that he'd already made weight and was ready to fight right there and then. If that was the case then why would we he then lose 600k by not making weight at the weigh-in? As if he didn't already have every possible advantage anyway, what a pussy!!!
Just out a curiosity, does anyone know how heavy either Pac or Diaz weighed come fight night against Marquez?
Was wondering how much heavier Floyd will be compared to fighters Marquez has already been in the ring with...
I guess thats the confusing thing in this whole scenario about all of a sudden Juan cant handle a 146lb Floyd.. Correct me if I'm wrong but at 130, Pac was coming in Fight night at about the Welterweight limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
....I think Pacquiao was 145lbs at fight night against Juan Manuel in their second fight... a bit too much gain before the fight. He rehydrated more than what is ideal (he got winded quite easily during the fight, specifically after the first)... but fortunately they learned from that experience and concluded that Pac has outgrown the Jr lightweight division, and so it was time to move on to other higher weight divisions.
* Pacquiao weighed even more (146 lbs) at fight night against Erik Morales in their third encounter!
...I don't know about Juan Diaz' weight at fight night against Marquez.
bemused really
How the hell can someone who trains year in year out for 147 not be able to drop 2 extra pounds to make weight??
No conspiracy theorys here, floyds purse is gonna be severly hit and we all know how much that`ll hurt him. Someone seriously dropped a bollock on this one!!