Lyle whats going on with your so called mighty reds??

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Yeah, very frustrating all in all. I got a bit depressed about that result.

One week good and the next shocking. Repeat. Again and again. Grr!

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To be honest Miles you have been shite all season one game against United and a couple fo results against woeful sides like Hull fair enough but the facts are you have lost 6 out of the last 7 games, if you loose against Lyon on wednesday which i wouldnt rule out, Benitez has to go he has spent more money than any other manager ouitside Man City in the last 4 years and has the worst sqaud by quite some margain, sold alot of players that are actully doing very well at there new clubs, and any manager who brings back Voronin back after being absolute shite after going on loan needs the sack in my book ;D.

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If we're going to put out a side like that AND Torres is hurt, why not just go ahead and rest him???

They should have just started Babel at midfield and played Voronin and Kuyt up front. Torres isn't any help if he's hurt.

Where the fuck is Riera?!?!?! He was one of our best players last season.

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Riera is injured, I do not rate him. This is a second rate team. If we do not beat Lyon the season is over in November?:eek:

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We've just got to focus on making top 4...it's still very likely this season because of the parody in the league. And then hopefully Robert Kraft buys the team and then gets a couple solid players to sure up our side.

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see thats the problem right there! u be happy with top 4;D

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Yeah, very frustrating all in all. I got a bit depressed about that result.

One week good and the next shocking. Repeat. Again and again. Grr!

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To be honest Miles you have been shite all season one game against United and a couple fo results against woeful sides like Hull fair enough but the facts are you have lost 6 out of the last 7 games, if you loose against Lyon on wednesday which i wouldnt rule out, Benitez has to go he has spent more money than any other manager ouitside Man City in the last 4 years and has the worst sqaud by quite some margain, sold alot of players that are actully doing very well at there new clubs, and any manager who brings back Voronin back after being absolute shite after going on loan needs the sack in my book ;D.

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I can't really argue back or respond with anything positive. You are right, it's been pretty poor. It's been very poor, awful in fact.

Benitez is a nonce, I just don't understand anything he does.

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We've just got to focus on making top 4...it's still very likely this season because of the parody in the league. And then hopefully Robert Kraft buys the team and then gets a couple solid players to sure up our side.

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see thats the problem right there! u be happy with top 4;D

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...with the team this year, YES I would be happy with top 4

Benitez is a dead man walking

Last year was truly the scousers time to finally win the prem. But they completely messed it up mid season and gave themselves far too much to do.

Theyre missing alonso in the hole big time and relying far too much on torres`s goals to win them football matches.

If things carry on the way they are they`ll be lucky to be playing in the uefa cup next season que an exodus of stars from the club!

Really worried about Wednesday at Lyon, no Gerrard. :-\

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Benitez is a dead man walking

Last year was truly the scousers time to finally win the prem. But they completely messed it up mid season and gave themselves far too much to do.

Theyre missing alonso in the hole big time and relying far too much on torres`s goals to win them football matches.

If things carry on the way they are they`ll be lucky to be playing in the uefa cup next season que an exodus of stars from the club!

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I don't think it's Benitez's fault; by the past with a limited effective, he's been able to carry them far. They just lack deepness and funds at the moment to replace Alonso decently.

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Benitez is a dead man walking

Last year was truly the scousers time to finally win the prem. But they completely messed it up mid season and gave themselves far too much to do.

Theyre missing alonso in the hole big time and relying far too much on torres`s goals to win them football matches.

If things carry on the way they are they`ll be lucky to be playing in the uefa cup next season que an exodus of stars from the club!

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I don't think it's Benitez's fault; by the past with a limited effective, he's been able to carry them far. They just lack deepness and funds at the moment to replace Alonso decently.

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Have to disagree totally there, Benitez has spent more than any other manger in past 4 years bar Man City, has brought no youngsters through. Last home grown talent was Steven Gerrard in 1998. He has been riding that CL win in 2005 far to long and bought some shit players, and curretnly has a shit sqaud, he drove Alonso out so whose fault is it hes gone??? Benitez's he tried off loading him last year so he could buy Barry, do you blame Alonso ? he wasnt wanted.

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Really worried about Wednesday at Lyon, no Gerrard. :-\

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if u dont win are u out?

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Benitez is a dead man walking

Last year was truly the scousers time to finally win the prem. But they completely messed it up mid season and gave themselves far too much to do.

Theyre missing alonso in the hole big time and relying far too much on torres`s goals to win them football matches.

If things carry on the way they are they`ll be lucky to be playing in the uefa cup next season que an exodus of stars from the club!

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I don't think it's Benitez's fault; by the past with a limited effective, he's been able to carry them far. They just lack deepness and funds at the moment to replace Alonso decently.

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Have to disagree totally there, Benitez has spent more than any other manger in past 4 years bar Man City, has brought no youngsters through. Last home grown talent was Steven Gerrard in 1998. He has been riding that CL win in 2005 far to long and bought some shit players, and curretnly has a shit sqaud, he drove Alonso out so whose fault is it hes gone??? Benitez's he tried off loading him last year so he could buy Barry, do you blame Alonso ? he wasnt wanted.

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Not from what I've read;, the thing with Alonso is that he wanted to Join Madrid and didn't want to stay in Liverpool for quite some time now (i.e Madrid made him charm for a long time now, too); The move with Barry was because he wanted to go so that was a good timing to switch things... We know the rest, Barry went to City and Alonso always wanted to go to Madrid, we've have had a couple of articles about that situation here.
For the rest, Liverpool has always a competitive team for the past 5 years, won the CL in 2005, almost won the England premiereship last year (one damn victory away), that is not bad indeed for a team who,s in a very thin bottleneck with the ownership problem, money problem and the rest. Sure, I wish it was better, but to me, Benitez is not the real problem over here.

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I don't think it's Benitez's fault; by the past with a limited effective, he's been able to carry them far. They just lack deepness and funds at the moment to replace Alonso decently.

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Have to disagree totally there, Benitez has spent more than any other manger in past 4 years bar Man City, has brought no youngsters through. Last home grown talent was Steven Gerrard in 1998. He has been riding that CL win in 2005 far to long and bought some shit players, and curretnly has a shit sqaud, he drove Alonso out so whose fault is it hes gone??? Benitez's he tried off loading him last year so he could buy Barry, do you blame Alonso ? he wasnt wanted.

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Not from what I've read;, the thing with Alonso is that he wanted to Join Madrid and didn't want to stay in Liverpool for quite some time now (i.e Madrid made him charm for a long time now, too); The move with Barry was because he wanted to go so that was a good timing to switch things... We know the rest, Barry went to City and Alonso always wanted to go to Madrid, we've have had a couple of articles about that situation here.
For the rest, Liverpool has always a competitive team for the past 5 years, won the CL in 2005, almost won the England premiereship last year (one damn victory away), that is not bad indeed for a team who,s in a very thin bottleneck with the ownership problem, money problem and the rest. Sure, I wish it was better, but to me, Benitez is not the real problem over here.

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You read wrong mate and you are wrong, the damage was done in 2008 when Benitez tried to off load Alonso to Juventus to raise funds for Gareth Barry. Alonso didnt want to go anywhere he was settles at Liverpool until Bentiez did this, he wasnt intrested in Madrid and Madrid were not intrested until after this read this what Alonso said about why he moved. Again proves what a dick Benitez is as Alonso was there best player last year only 12 months earlier he didnt want him.


Money problem you say?? Go look at how much they have spent sorry how much Benitez has wasted now there struggling but over Bentiez's reign they have spent more than United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Id expect more than a cl and fa cup, he even came 5th the season he won the cl and was very lucky to have them in the cl. He needs to go imo.

Anyway this is why Alonso went not like you said cos he had his heart set on Madrid because like I sadi Benitez didnt want him and tried to offload him without his say so.

Benitez had wanted to off-load Alonso to Juventus in July 2008 to raise money to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa.
Alonso was disappointed to hear that Benitez was willing to let him go and resolved to leave when the right opportunity arose.

That finally happened when he joined Real for £30 million in August after revealing to Benitez that he wanted to leave the Premier League club.


"It was a very difficult decision for me to make," he told Sky Sports News. "After five years I have experienced wonderful nights at Anfield, to have experienced the support of probably the best fans in the world.
"That's why I have always been very grateful and I will always have them in my mind and it has been a pleasure.
"Last year the club proposed me that I might have to be sold to find funds for new players.
"It was a difficult decision or difficult moment to accept that. I accepted that as a professional and that moment probably changed my mind and I thought that maybe from that moment that maybe it was time for a change."
Alonso has since admitted that his relationship with Benitez deteriorated when he demanded to leave but the Spanish international reveals that their relationship was always a professional one.
"There has been a lot of rumours but I have always said that it has been simply a professional relationship," he said.
"I have always tried to do what he asked to do. What he asked of me on the pitch to do the talking on the pitch and that's that as far as that."

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Really worried about Wednesday at Lyon, no Gerrard. :-\

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We will be as good as out. :eek:

I would just like Rafa to be consistent, he tampers too much with a good thing. When we move 1 or hell even 10 starters out just to rest them for a game there is NO NEED to change formation or strategy as much as Rafa does.

Gerrard is out vs Lyon, fine...Torres may be out vs Lyon, that's cool. Liverpool SHOULD be able to play a B side vs Lyon and still beat the shit out of them (they won't but they should be able to).

ST: Kuyt, Voronin
LM: Babel CM: Mascherano, Lucas RM: Benayoun
LB: Aurelio CB: Carragher, Skrtel RB: Johnson
GK: Riena

Bench: Cavallieri, N'Gog, Aquilani (if fit), Agger, and some other midfielder. If Aquilani is in really good shape you start him at CAM and put Lucas on the bench.

This shouldn't be as difficult as Rafa makes it

....sure would have been nice for Liverpool to pick up another striker, perhaps one JOZY ALTIDORE would have fit in well with a speedy guy like Torres...or maybe a big tall dude like PETER CROUCH could have come back and helped out.

Kuyt has actually earned my respect over this past season, if nothing else the dude tries hard and he's solid on defense.

Ryan Babel on the other hand is just total crap how he can be on Liverpool while plenty of quality Americans are out there waiting to get a shot at the EPL is beyond me.

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....sure would have been nice for Liverpool to pick up another striker, perhaps one JOZY ALTIDORE would have fit in well with a speedy guy like Torres...or maybe a big tall dude like PETER CROUCH could have come back and helped out.

Kuyt has actually earned my respect over this past season, if nothing else the dude tries hard and he's solid on defense.

Ryan Babel on the other hand is just total crap how he can be on Liverpool while plenty of quality Americans are out there waiting to get a shot at the EPL is beyond me.

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If I was Liverpool id buy Carlton Cole from West Ham in January quality striker who would compliment Torres well.

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I would just like Rafa to be consistent, he tampers too much with a good thing. When we move 1 or hell even 10 starters out just to rest them for a game there is NO NEED to change formation or strategy as much as Rafa does.

Gerrard is out vs Lyon, fine...Torres may be out vs Lyon, that's cool. Liverpool SHOULD be able to play a B side vs Lyon and still beat the shit out of them (they won't but they should be able to).

ST: Kuyt, Voronin
LM: Babel CM: Mascherano, Lucas RM: Benayoun
LB: Aurelio CB: Carragher, Skrtel RB: Johnson
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Bench: Cavallieri, N'Gog, Aquilani (if fit), Agger, and some other midfielder. If Aquilani is in really good shape you start him at CAM and put Lucas on the bench.

This shouldn't be as difficult as Rafa makes it

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You think you can field a B team and beat lyon ahahahaha!!! Not a fucking chance if that was your team you would loose but Torres will start.

Mate Johnson is out Torres will start, If Voronin and Kuyt were my two strikers i would be crying rite about now.

Voronin should be put down and be put out of his misery.

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Have to disagree totally there, Benitez has spent more than any other manger in past 4 years bar Man City, has brought no youngsters through. Last home grown talent was Steven Gerrard in 1998. He has been riding that CL win in 2005 far to long and bought some shit players, and curretnly has a shit sqaud, he drove Alonso out so whose fault is it hes gone??? Benitez's he tried off loading him last year so he could buy Barry, do you blame Alonso ? he wasnt wanted.

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Not from what I've read;, the thing with Alonso is that he wanted to Join Madrid and didn't want to stay in Liverpool for quite some time now (i.e Madrid made him charm for a long time now, too); The move with Barry was because he wanted to go so that was a good timing to switch things... We know the rest, Barry went to City and Alonso always wanted to go to Madrid, we've have had a couple of articles about that situation here.
For the rest, Liverpool has always a competitive team for the past 5 years, won the CL in 2005, almost won the England premiereship last year (one damn victory away), that is not bad indeed for a team who,s in a very thin bottleneck with the ownership problem, money problem and the rest. Sure, I wish it was better, but to me, Benitez is not the real problem over here.

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You read wrong mate and you are wrong, the damage was done in 2008 when Benitez tried to off load Alonso to Juventus to raise funds for Gareth Barry. Alonso didnt want to go anywhere he was settles at Liverpool until Bentiez did this, he wasnt intrested in Madrid and Madrid were not intrested until after this read this what Alonso said about why he moved. Again proves what a dick Benitez is as Alonso was there best player last year only 12 months earlier he didnt want him.


Money problem you say?? Go look at how much they have spent sorry how much Benitez has wasted now there struggling but over Bentiez's reign they have spent more than United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Id expect more than a cl and fa cup, he even came 5th the season he won the cl and was very lucky to have them in the cl. He needs to go imo.

Anyway this is why Alonso went not like you said cos he had his heart set on Madrid because like I sadi Benitez didnt want him and tried to offload him without his say so.

Benitez had wanted to off-load Alonso to Juventus in July 2008 to raise money to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa.
Alonso was disappointed to hear that Benitez was willing to let him go and resolved to leave when the right opportunity arose.

That finally happened when he joined Real for £30 million in August after revealing to Benitez that he wanted to leave the Premier League club.


"It was a very difficult decision for me to make," he told Sky Sports News. "After five years I have experienced wonderful nights at Anfield, to have experienced the support of probably the best fans in the world.
"That's why I have always been very grateful and I will always have them in my mind and it has been a pleasure.
"Last year the club proposed me that I might have to be sold to find funds for new players.
"It was a difficult decision or difficult moment to accept that. I accepted that as a professional and that moment probably changed my mind and I thought that maybe from that moment that maybe it was time for a change."
Alonso has since admitted that his relationship with Benitez deteriorated when he demanded to leave but the Spanish international reveals that their relationship was always a professional one.
"There has been a lot of rumours but I have always said that it has been simply a professional relationship," he said.
"I have always tried to do what he asked to do. What he asked of me on the pitch to do the talking on the pitch and that's that as far as that."

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I totally disagree, 2 years ago there were already rumors that alonso wanted to go play back into Spain but it hasn't been "fire sprayed", knowing he could possibly leave eventually, BEnitez tried to secure the Barry deal but it felt out, Alonso had a good season and he couldn't say no to Madrid, especially as it is home, sunny, one of the best team available ever and the best way to impress the manager of Spain for the next European and world cup. now that the Barry deal felt off Benitez look like the evil wolf but there is reasons for what he has done.
As for money, yeah they spend quite a lot for the last 3 years but wouldn't have they done that they would have gone nowhere (and spending that money doesn't mean they could afford every penny they spent, unfortunately)

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Not from what I've read;, the thing with Alonso is that he wanted to Join Madrid and didn't want to stay in Liverpool for quite some time now (i.e Madrid made him charm for a long time now, too); The move with Barry was because he wanted to go so that was a good timing to switch things... We know the rest, Barry went to City and Alonso always wanted to go to Madrid, we've have had a couple of articles about that situation here.
For the rest, Liverpool has always a competitive team for the past 5 years, won the CL in 2005, almost won the England premiereship last year (one damn victory away), that is not bad indeed for a team who,s in a very thin bottleneck with the ownership problem, money problem and the rest. Sure, I wish it was better, but to me, Benitez is not the real problem over here.

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You read wrong mate and you are wrong, the damage was done in 2008 when Benitez tried to off load Alonso to Juventus to raise funds for Gareth Barry. Alonso didnt want to go anywhere he was settles at Liverpool until Bentiez did this, he wasnt intrested in Madrid and Madrid were not intrested until after this read this what Alonso said about why he moved. Again proves what a dick Benitez is as Alonso was there best player last year only 12 months earlier he didnt want him.


Money problem you say?? Go look at how much they have spent sorry how much Benitez has wasted now there struggling but over Bentiez's reign they have spent more than United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Id expect more than a cl and fa cup, he even came 5th the season he won the cl and was very lucky to have them in the cl. He needs to go imo.

Anyway this is why Alonso went not like you said cos he had his heart set on Madrid because like I sadi Benitez didnt want him and tried to offload him without his say so.

Benitez had wanted to off-load Alonso to Juventus in July 2008 to raise money to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa.
Alonso was disappointed to hear that Benitez was willing to let him go and resolved to leave when the right opportunity arose.

That finally happened when he joined Real for £30 million in August after revealing to Benitez that he wanted to leave the Premier League club.


"It was a very difficult decision for me to make," he told Sky Sports News. "After five years I have experienced wonderful nights at Anfield, to have experienced the support of probably the best fans in the world.
"That's why I have always been very grateful and I will always have them in my mind and it has been a pleasure.
"Last year the club proposed me that I might have to be sold to find funds for new players.
"It was a difficult decision or difficult moment to accept that. I accepted that as a professional and that moment probably changed my mind and I thought that maybe from that moment that maybe it was time for a change."
Alonso has since admitted that his relationship with Benitez deteriorated when he demanded to leave but the Spanish international reveals that their relationship was always a professional one.
"There has been a lot of rumours but I have always said that it has been simply a professional relationship," he said.
"I have always tried to do what he asked to do. What he asked of me on the pitch to do the talking on the pitch and that's that as far as that."

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I totally disagree, 2 years ago there were already rumors that alonso wanted to go play back into Spain but it hasn't been "fire sprayed", knowing he could possibly leave eventually, BEnitez tried to secure the Barry deal but it felt out, Alonso had a good season and he couldn't say no to Madrid, especially as it is home, sunny, one of the best team available ever and the best way to impress the manager of Spain for the next European and world cup. now that the Barry deal felt off Benitez look like the evil wolf but there is reasons for what he has done.
As for money, yeah they spend quite a lot for the last 3 years but wouldn't have they done that they would have gone nowhere (and spending that money doesn't mean they could afford every penny they spent, unfortunately)

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Mate I dont want to be rude but you seriously dont know what the fuck your talking about, Alonso was not touted to go to Madrid till Perez became President in 2009. The previous president didnt want Alonso where the hell did you get that information from?? Every time the new president comes in at Madrid they lay the cards out on who they are going for to secure the vote. Alonso was never talked about till 2009 to Madrid, the only club who wanted him before that was Juventus and Alonso didnt want to go.

Alonso was told by Benitez he needed to be sold to raise funds for Gareth Barry, so how would you feel about that your manager doesnt think your good enough, thats why he left. Im 120% certain he would still be there if Benitez didnt do what he did in 2008, ask any Liverpool fan why Alonso left.

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You think you can field a B team and beat lyon ahahahaha!!! Not a fucking chance if that was your team you would loose but Torres will start.

Mate Johnson is out Torres will start, If Voronin and Kuyt were my two strikers i would be crying rite about now.

Voronin should be put down and be put out of his misery.

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If Johnson is out then play Insua.

I've always thought Voronin was a decent player, I stand by that. He creates chances, he passes well, and he controls the ball well...the only thing he could improve on is hustling a bit more, but what he ends up doing is getting in position to put away rebounds or create scoring chances for his team mates. Voronin could start every second of every game, he probably wouldn't score 10 goals in a season, but he would create a fair ammount. When he does play he needs a striker that can score and a midfielder that can score. He's a good player, he's just not used very well.

I mean I'd rather have a better backup striker, but Voronin is ok...he doesn't deserve the shit he catches from the fans.

What level do you think Voronin is on, I want to know just how bad you think he is. Compare him to an American player...Eddie Johnson maybe?

I think he probably is not as bad as some say but he just doesn't finish well which unfortunately is kind of a big deal, he missed a one on one already today.

He's better than Eddie ;D

As for American comparisons I guarantee Donovan and Dempsey would do a better job than Voronin if played the same. Doesn't mean there necessarily big four players, neither is Voronin. :-\

Babel should just move on. I'm not sure he'd be in great demand but even if it meant back to the Netherlands why not, if you can't get a start in this lineup?

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I agree, but not being a big four player doesn't mean you're crap....that's all I'm saying. I think Voronin's issues are #1 Coaching and #2 Liverpool buying him, he's good at what he does but what he does, Liverpool doesn't use it.

Liverpool had Robbie Keane, nobody doubts his skill, but you saw how they used him...I think Rafa likes to play favorites with his players rather than play to win titles.

I never really understood the Keane buy. Didn't seem to really fit with what Benitez wants to do.

I mean you have Torres as the only true out and out striker with Gerrard behind him in the hole, Kuyt and Babel/Riera on the outside and Mascherano and Alonzo/Lucas behind them and Keane can play that role that Kuyt does but he's probably best as a striker in a 4-4-2, why not just buy an out and out winger instead?

For whatever reason I didn't really see Liverpool much when Keane was there (seemed like when I did see them he was on the bench) but I assume he was playing a similar role to what Kuyt does.

haha Ryan Babel just saved Benitez, brilliant goal.

Oh that was cruel ;D Sorry.

What the fuck is Benitez's end game anyway?!?!?? If he had any players in the world and could do anything he wanted what formation would he run, what players would he have and who would he bring off the bench??? I simply for the life of me do not know!!! Most managers have a SYSTEM, they have a set of core beliefs that if they do they WILL WIN.

For example, in American Football, Coach Paul Johnson of Georgia Tech. I know what he wants to do with his team, efficient yet time consuming option offense and a stout defense that gets 3 and outs. He wants a true running back as the "A Back" (the Fullback in the double wing formation) and he wants speedsters on the wings, he also needs a big fullback for blocking purposes, but he comes in as a substitute. I know exactly how Roy Williams wants to run UNC basketball as well. But for the life of me, I can't figure Benitez out....they never seem to have a plan, it just sort of comes to them as they are playing.

In the end, the American owners aren't the guys keeping Liverpool from winning, it's Benitez and his meddling with the fucking lineups!!!

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You read wrong mate and you are wrong, the damage was done in 2008 when Benitez tried to off load Alonso to Juventus to raise funds for Gareth Barry. Alonso didnt want to go anywhere he was settles at Liverpool until Bentiez did this, he wasnt intrested in Madrid and Madrid were not intrested until after this read this what Alonso said about why he moved. Again proves what a dick Benitez is as Alonso was there best player last year only 12 months earlier he didnt want him.


Money problem you say?? Go look at how much they have spent sorry how much Benitez has wasted now there struggling but over Bentiez's reign they have spent more than United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Id expect more than a cl and fa cup, he even came 5th the season he won the cl and was very lucky to have them in the cl. He needs to go imo.

Anyway this is why Alonso went not like you said cos he had his heart set on Madrid because like I sadi Benitez didnt want him and tried to offload him without his say so.

Benitez had wanted to off-load Alonso to Juventus in July 2008 to raise money to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa.
Alonso was disappointed to hear that Benitez was willing to let him go and resolved to leave when the right opportunity arose.

That finally happened when he joined Real for £30 million in August after revealing to Benitez that he wanted to leave the Premier League club.


"It was a very difficult decision for me to make," he told Sky Sports News. "After five years I have experienced wonderful nights at Anfield, to have experienced the support of probably the best fans in the world.
"That's why I have always been very grateful and I will always have them in my mind and it has been a pleasure.
"Last year the club proposed me that I might have to be sold to find funds for new players.
"It was a difficult decision or difficult moment to accept that. I accepted that as a professional and that moment probably changed my mind and I thought that maybe from that moment that maybe it was time for a change."
Alonso has since admitted that his relationship with Benitez deteriorated when he demanded to leave but the Spanish international reveals that their relationship was always a professional one.
"There has been a lot of rumours but I have always said that it has been simply a professional relationship," he said.
"I have always tried to do what he asked to do. What he asked of me on the pitch to do the talking on the pitch and that's that as far as that."

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I totally disagree, 2 years ago there were already rumors that alonso wanted to go play back into Spain but it hasn't been "fire sprayed", knowing he could possibly leave eventually, BEnitez tried to secure the Barry deal but it felt out, Alonso had a good season and he couldn't say no to Madrid, especially as it is home, sunny, one of the best team available ever and the best way to impress the manager of Spain for the next European and world cup. now that the Barry deal felt off Benitez look like the evil wolf but there is reasons for what he has done.
As for money, yeah they spend quite a lot for the last 3 years but wouldn't have they done that they would have gone nowhere (and spending that money doesn't mean they could afford every penny they spent, unfortunately)

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Mate I dont want to be rude but you seriously dont know what the fuck your talking about, Alonso was not touted to go to Madrid till Perez became President in 2009. The previous president didnt want Alonso where the hell did you get that information from?? Every time the new president comes in at Madrid they lay the cards out on who they are going for to secure the vote. Alonso was never talked about till 2009 to Madrid, the only club who wanted him before that was Juventus and Alonso didnt want to go.

Alonso was told by Benitez he needed to be sold to raise funds for Gareth Barry, so how would you feel about that your manager doesnt think your good enough, thats why he left. Im 120% certain he would still be there if Benitez didnt do what he did in 2008, ask any Liverpool fan why Alonso left.

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Well... yeah, I know what I was talking about otherwise I would not have said freely; Alonso wanted to leave for a llonnngg time, I didn't find every articles I wanted (they seem to be offline for most of them now) but I found one article where Gerrard confesses it. Also, talks for Alonso occured before, informally but his name already circulated before, the new "big boss" at Madrid just decided to make of him a priority. Anyway, here's an article about it:
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By Adithya Ananth

Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard has revealed that he was "devastated" when Xabi Alonso left the club to ply his trade with Spanish heavyweights Real Madrid.

The Basque midfielder moved to the Bernabeu during the summer after five seasons at Anfield, and not a few have attributed the Reds' recent nosedive to his absence.

When asked how he felt about Alonso's departure, Gerrard told FourFourTwo magazine: "Devastated. But there was nothing I could do about it.

"Xabi said a long time ago that he wanted another chapter in his career and finally he got it and his team-mates and the coaches couldn't stand in his way.

"We just have to say thanks and move forward without him."

The Merseysiders sold Alonso for fee of around £30 million, and splurged most of the proceeds on bringing in Alberto Aquilani from Roma.

The new arrival has only recently recovered from injury, and Gerrard - who had a near-telepathic understanding with Alonso - believes that it will take some time for the Reds to move on without the midfield maestro.

"It's always going to be different when you lose one of the best players in the world - and people are finally realising that's what he is, on the back of his form for Real Madrid and the difference in us from last year," he said.

"We've got other midfielders here doing a good job but it will take a while before Alonso's out of our system because he was such a top player."

I was 'devastated' when Xabi Alonso left Liverpool for Real Madrid - Steven Gerrard - Goal.com

well done lyon;D

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well done lyon;D

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Drago... COME ON!!.... we are a bit despaired about what,s going on this year if you haven't already noticed ;)

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well done lyon;D

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Drago... COME ON!!.... we are a bit despaired about what,s going on this year if you haven't already noticed ;)

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being a man united fan i am aware of liverpools situation & thats why i am enjoying it so much;D

when united lose my fkin mobile never stops with liverpool fans textin me takin the piss!

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Drago... COME ON!!.... we are a bit despaired about what,s going on this year if you haven't already noticed ;)

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being a man united fan i am aware of liverpools situation & thats why i am enjoying it so much;D

when united lose my fkin mobile never stops with liverpool fans textin me takin the piss!

;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D

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oh noooo, you're for the empire of evilness of the premiereship (though slowly that title might switch from red to blue but remain into the same city).... is there anything we can do to save your soul? You know, cure for that exists ;)

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I totally disagree, 2 years ago there were already rumors that alonso wanted to go play back into Spain but it hasn't been "fire sprayed", knowing he could possibly leave eventually, BEnitez tried to secure the Barry deal but it felt out, Alonso had a good season and he couldn't say no to Madrid, especially as it is home, sunny, one of the best team available ever and the best way to impress the manager of Spain for the next European and world cup. now that the Barry deal felt off Benitez look like the evil wolf but there is reasons for what he has done.
As for money, yeah they spend quite a lot for the last 3 years but wouldn't have they done that they would have gone nowhere (and spending that money doesn't mean they could afford every penny they spent, unfortunately)

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Mate I dont want to be rude but you seriously dont know what the fuck your talking about, Alonso was not touted to go to Madrid till Perez became President in 2009. The previous president didnt want Alonso where the hell did you get that information from?? Every time the new president comes in at Madrid they lay the cards out on who they are going for to secure the vote. Alonso was never talked about till 2009 to Madrid, the only club who wanted him before that was Juventus and Alonso didnt want to go.

Alonso was told by Benitez he needed to be sold to raise funds for Gareth Barry, so how would you feel about that your manager doesnt think your good enough, thats why he left. Im 120% certain he would still be there if Benitez didnt do what he did in 2008, ask any Liverpool fan why Alonso left.

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Well... yeah, I know what I was talking about otherwise I would not have said freely; Alonso wanted to leave for a llonnngg time, I didn't find every articles I wanted (they seem to be offline for most of them now) but I found one article where Gerrard confesses it. Also, talks for Alonso occured before, informally but his name already circulated before, the new "big boss" at Madrid just decided to make of him a priority. Anyway, here's an article about it:
4 Nov 2009 08:18:33


http://i.media.goal.com/g/54518_news.jpg

By Adithya Ananth

Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard has revealed that he was "devastated" when Xabi Alonso left the club to ply his trade with Spanish heavyweights Real Madrid.

The Basque midfielder moved to the Bernabeu during the summer after five seasons at Anfield, and not a few have attributed the Reds' recent nosedive to his absence.

When asked how he felt about Alonso's departure, Gerrard told FourFourTwo magazine: "Devastated. But there was nothing I could do about it.

"Xabi said a long time ago that he wanted another chapter in his career and finally he got it and his team-mates and the coaches couldn't stand in his way.

"We just have to say thanks and move forward without him."

The Merseysiders sold Alonso for fee of around £30 million, and splurged most of the proceeds on bringing in Alberto Aquilani from Roma.

The new arrival has only recently recovered from injury, and Gerrard - who had a near-telepathic understanding with Alonso - believes that it will take some time for the Reds to move on without the midfield maestro.

"It's always going to be different when you lose one of the best players in the world - and people are finally realising that's what he is, on the back of his form for Real Madrid and the difference in us from last year," he said.

"We've got other midfielders here doing a good job but it will take a while before Alonso's out of our system because he was such a top player."

I was 'devastated' when Xabi Alonso left Liverpool for Real Madrid - Steven Gerrard - Goal.com

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Mate we know the day Bentiez tried to flog Alonso in the summer of 2008 he wanted to leave, that is what Gerrard is reffering too, what im trying to get through to you is Madrid did not come in for Alonso till Perez came in 2009, is that to hard to understand??

The only team who wanted Alonso in 2008 was Juventus Alonso didnt fancy a move to Italy.

Let's put it this way Liverpool were prepared to sell Alonso for around |15 million, so if Madrid were after him like you say they were ( which 100% FACT they were not) why not buy him when he was available for 15 million?? No i mean better business sense would be not buy him then buy him after 12 months when Liverpool dont want to sell and pay 30 million.


Go look for some articles when perez became president it will make things alot clearer and while your at it go google when Liverpool tried to sell Alonso in the summer of 2008 you will fins hundreds of links with Juventus after buying him but not one for Madrid??????????

not trying to be a nob here but telling you 100% Madrid did not want Alonso till Perez came in FACT.

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Mate I dont want to be rude but you seriously dont know what the fuck your talking about, Alonso was not touted to go to Madrid till Perez became President in 2009. The previous president didnt want Alonso where the hell did you get that information from?? Every time the new president comes in at Madrid they lay the cards out on who they are going for to secure the vote. Alonso was never talked about till 2009 to Madrid, the only club who wanted him before that was Juventus and Alonso didnt want to go.

Alonso was told by Benitez he needed to be sold to raise funds for Gareth Barry, so how would you feel about that your manager doesnt think your good enough, thats why he left. Im 120% certain he would still be there if Benitez didnt do what he did in 2008, ask any Liverpool fan why Alonso left.

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Well... yeah, I know what I was talking about otherwise I would not have said freely; Alonso wanted to leave for a llonnngg time, I didn't find every articles I wanted (they seem to be offline for most of them now) but I found one article where Gerrard confesses it. Also, talks for Alonso occured before, informally but his name already circulated before, the new "big boss" at Madrid just decided to make of him a priority. Anyway, here's an article about it:
4 Nov 2009 08:18:33


http://i.media.goal.com/g/54518_news.jpg

By Adithya Ananth

Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard has revealed that he was "devastated" when Xabi Alonso left the club to ply his trade with Spanish heavyweights Real Madrid.

The Basque midfielder moved to the Bernabeu during the summer after five seasons at Anfield, and not a few have attributed the Reds' recent nosedive to his absence.

When asked how he felt about Alonso's departure, Gerrard told FourFourTwo magazine: "Devastated. But there was nothing I could do about it.

"Xabi said a long time ago that he wanted another chapter in his career and finally he got it and his team-mates and the coaches couldn't stand in his way.

"We just have to say thanks and move forward without him."

The Merseysiders sold Alonso for fee of around £30 million, and splurged most of the proceeds on bringing in Alberto Aquilani from Roma.

The new arrival has only recently recovered from injury, and Gerrard - who had a near-telepathic understanding with Alonso - believes that it will take some time for the Reds to move on without the midfield maestro.

"It's always going to be different when you lose one of the best players in the world - and people are finally realising that's what he is, on the back of his form for Real Madrid and the difference in us from last year," he said.

"We've got other midfielders here doing a good job but it will take a while before Alonso's out of our system because he was such a top player."

I was 'devastated' when Xabi Alonso left Liverpool for Real Madrid - Steven Gerrard - Goal.com

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Mate we know the day Bentiez tried to flog Alonso in the summer of 2008 he wanted to leave, that is what Gerrard is reffering too, what im trying to get through to you is Madrid did not come in for Alonso till Perez came in 2009, is that to hard to understand??

The only team who wanted Alonso in 2008 was Juventus Alonso didnt fancy a move to Italy.

Let's put it this way Liverpool were prepared to sell Alonso for around |15 million, so if Madrid were after him like you say they were ( which 100% FACT they were not) why not buy him when he was available for 15 million?? No i mean better business sense would be not buy him then buy him after 12 months when Liverpool dont want to sell and pay 30 million.


Go look for some articles when perez became president it will make things alot clearer and while your at it go google when Liverpool tried to sell Alonso in the summer of 2008 you will fins hundreds of links with Juventus after buying him but not one for Madrid??????????

not trying to be a nob here but telling you 100% Madrid did not want Alonso till Perez came in FACT.

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I know the Juventus tried to land him IN, more than Madrid, I agree on that. What I say is that Madrid were thinking a bit about him (at the time), it was just not one of their priority so to speak, there was an interest, an eye on the guy but it was not a priority. Perez made him a priority when he kicked in. That year, Alonso had one of the best years of his life (if not the best). These 2 facts: 1) Alonso having a killer year + 2)Perez deciding to make of him one of his priority (and not only an interest) changed the whole equation and why the price for him did soar big time.
I recall something like 2 years ago on Eurosport.fr, there was an interview with him and he did state that "playing at Madrid would be an absolute dream for him but that he was feeling good at Anfield", which means "I would love to play for Madrid but I can't shout it too loud, especially as I am ok here". I just didn't find the article, unfortunately as Eurosport.fr do not keep long track of such interviews.

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Mate we know the day Bentiez tried to flog Alonso in the summer of 2008 he wanted to leave, that is what Gerrard is reffering too, what im trying to get through to you is Madrid did not come in for Alonso till Perez came in 2009, is that to hard to understand??

The only team who wanted Alonso in 2008 was Juventus Alonso didnt fancy a move to Italy.

Let's put it this way Liverpool were prepared to sell Alonso for around |15 million, so if Madrid were after him like you say they were ( which 100% FACT they were not) why not buy him when he was available for 15 million?? No i mean better business sense would be not buy him then buy him after 12 months when Liverpool dont want to sell and pay 30 million.


Go look for some articles when perez became president it will make things alot clearer and while your at it go google when Liverpool tried to sell Alonso in the summer of 2008 you will fins hundreds of links with Juventus after buying him but not one for Madrid??????????

not trying to be a nob here but telling you 100% Madrid did not want Alonso till Perez came in FACT.

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I know the Juventus tried to land him IN, more than Madrid, I agree on that. What I say is that Madrid were thinking a bit about him (at the time), it was just not one of their priority so to speak, there was an interest, an eye on the guy but it was not a priority. Perez made him a priority when he kicked in. That year, Alonso had one of the best years of his life (if not the best). These 2 facts: 1) Alonso having a killer year + 2)Perez deciding to make of him one of his priority (and not only an interest) changed the whole equation and why the price for him did soar big time.
I recall something like 2 years ago on Eurosport.fr, there was an interview with him and he did state that "playing at Madrid would be an absolute dream for him but that he was feeling good at Anfield", which means "I would love to play for Madrid but I can't shout it too loud, especially as I am ok here". I just didn't find the article, unfortunately as Eurosport.fr do not keep long track of such interviews.

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Nameless mate, Skel is right. The only other team bar Juventus to show interest in the Summer of 2008 was ATHLETICO Madrid. Real weren't at all interested up until Perez took back over, as before that they were only concerned with the attacking side of their team, at the time no doubt feeling that Gago could do the same things Alonso could. Obviously Alonso having an excellent following season, with Gago having a rather disappointing one, led them to believe that Alonso was a good replacement. But, they showed no interest in him whilst Calderon was at the helm.

Think this deserves a bump in light of Liverpool's exit from the Champions League tonight. The fact they struggled to beat Debrecen says it all about where their team is right now. Fiorentina & Lyon are rightfully going through ahead of them.

Very good idea from Benitez , to drop to a lower standard competition , in the small hope of winning something .;D;D

Official End of Season Party

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We can now concentrate on winning the FA cup. :)