Sorry for another Pacquiao thread, but this pissed me off

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Pac is a WW (147) champion and a Jr. WW (140) champion at the same time. Those were the belts he's currently holding now.

But these belt titles doesn't really matter. It's not the primary reason why Pacquiao vs. Mayweather should be made. The fight is not for who's the best WW or Jr. WW boxer.

This fight is all about the best fighting the best in P4P terms.

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If we keep using the P4P argument and not addressing the fact there are weight classes then we'll have a WW or MW challenging David Haye next. If catch weights keep getting made then someone is going to get seriously f***d up due to trying to make a weight they shouldn't be at becasue the opposition demended it and not the governing bodies.

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I got a question for you? Who demanded for this fight to be made?

For sure, it's not the governing bodies since it's not like someone is the mandatory challenger of some champion. Hope you have now an idea why weight class and governing bodies plays a little role in this particular rare special match up.

145 lbs. is not a ridiculous weight. It's only 1 lb. from each boxer's last weigh-in weight.

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In answer to your question , I will state the obvious, the public shows a desire for a fight (the press lead the way)
The fight is made by the promoters and the fighters camps and the terms are agreed.
Governing bodies DO play a part unless you got a Silver Dollar and a piece of tape to make the "belts' that are avaialble.
The various athletics commissions have to sanction a fight , therefore if something goes wrong soemone should be responsible. But under your thinking maybe the public who demanded the fight should be held responsible if a fighter is injured or worse trying to make a weigh demded by someone not in charge.

So I read Jaz earlier today. And I've been reading his posts and thinking this guy is not only reasonable, but smart. And even Ouma agreed with him, another one likewise.


But if you look at the physical size advantage between a fight from Mayweahter and Pacquiao it will be a BIG one. And I know that from not looking. Whice I should and would have looked but I didn't..

PBF made JMM looked like a dwarf and styles and fights but I think JMM has more hard power than Pacman. Pac will stun and KD bc his opponents didnt see it coming, but JMM can rattle the brain and really get an opponent in mental places that they cant help.

And PBF made JMM look like a middle weght vs. lightweight or junior ww at best.

Im not a nuthugger of either, but obviously PBF is a bitch and Pac isn't, so even though i dont think im biased, i probably am.

But I love the 145 idea. And fine PBF 1 million per pound I say. Floy isn't that too far gone from the weight.


And the Pac steroids things...if you ask me if Pac is getting questioned than looked at floyd.

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If we keep using the P4P argument and not addressing the fact there are weight classes then we'll have a WW or MW challenging David Haye next. If catch weights keep getting made then someone is going to get seriously f***d up due to trying to make a weight they shouldn't be at becasue the opposition demended it and not the governing bodies.

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I got a question for you? Who demanded for this fight to be made?

For sure, it's not the governing bodies since it's not like someone is the mandatory challenger of some champion. Hope you have now an idea why weight class and governing bodies plays a little role in this particular rare special match up.

145 lbs. is not a ridiculous weight. It's only 1 lb. from each boxer's last weigh-in weight.

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In answer to your question , I will state the obvious, the public shows a desire for a fight (the press lead the way)
The fight is made by the promoters and the fighters camps and the terms are agreed.
Governing bodies DO play a part unless you got a Silver Dollar and a piece of tape to make the "belts' that are avaialble.
The various athletics commissions have to sanction a fight , therefore if something goes wrong soemone should be responsible. But under your thinking maybe the public who demanded the fight should be held responsible if a fighter is injured or worse trying to make a weigh demded by someone not in charge.

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It's the public (or fans) who demanded for this fight. Of course it will be govern by some ABC org but this org is actually being there for legalities. They have little say about this fight aside from the standard boxing rules that will be applied.

A fight at an agreed weight of 145 lbs. is not impossible, in fact Pacquiao fought his last fight at agreed weight of 145 lbs. Mayweather fought his at agreed weight of 144 lbs.

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Originally Posted by fanjohn

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Originally Posted by jamiebhoy

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Originally Posted by fanjohn

I got a question for you? Who demanded for this fight to be made?

For sure, it's not the governing bodies since it's not like someone is the mandatory challenger of some champion. Hope you have now an idea why weight class and governing bodies plays a little role in this particular rare special match up.

145 lbs. is not a ridiculous weight. It's only 1 lb. from each boxer's last weigh-in weight.

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In answer to your question , I will state the obvious, the public shows a desire for a fight (the press lead the way)
The fight is made by the promoters and the fighters camps and the terms are agreed.
Governing bodies DO play a part unless you got a Silver Dollar and a piece of tape to make the "belts' that are avaialble.
The various athletics commissions have to sanction a fight , therefore if something goes wrong soemone should be responsible. But under your thinking maybe the public who demanded the fight should be held responsible if a fighter is injured or worse trying to make a weigh demded by someone not in charge.

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It's the public (or fans) who demanded for this fight. Of course it will be govern by some ABC org but this org is actually being there for legalities. They have little say about this fight aside from the standard boxing rules that will be applied.

A fight at an agreed weigaht of 145 lbs. is not impossible, in fact Pacquiao fought his last fight at agreed weight of 145 lbs. Mayweather fought his at agreed weight of 144 lbs.

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The difference being ? Let me answer that for you.. Pacquiao made the weight, Mayweather was 2 pounds over... Why can't you understand that? You simply ignore it and state Mayweather fought at agreed weight 144.....? No he did not, he weighted in at 146 and god only knows how much he weighted in the ring since he refused to be weighted fight night...

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Originally Posted by jamiebhoy

In answer to your question , I will state the obvious, the public shows a desire for a fight (the press lead the way)
The fight is made by the promoters and the fighters camps and the terms are agreed.
Governing bodies DO play a part unless you got a Silver Dollar and a piece of tape to make the "belts' that are avaialble.
The various athletics commissions have to sanction a fight , therefore if something goes wrong soemone should be responsible. But under your thinking maybe the public who demanded the fight should be held responsible if a fighter is injured or worse trying to make a weigh demded by someone not in charge.

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It's the public (or fans) who demanded for this fight. Of course it will be govern by some ABC org but this org is actually being there for legalities. They have little say about this fight aside from the standard boxing rules that will be applied.

A fight at an agreed weigaht of 145 lbs. is not impossible, in fact Pacquiao fought his last fight at agreed weight of 145 lbs. Mayweather fought his at agreed weight of 144 lbs.

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The difference being ? Let me answer that for you.. Pacquiao made the weight, Mayweather was 2 pounds over... Why can't you understand that? You simply ignore it and state Mayweather fought at agreed weight 144.....? No he did not, he weighted in at 146 and god only knows how much he weighted in the ring since he refused to be weighted fight night...

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I already asked this question. If 145 is not acceptable to Team Floyd then do you think they will push and accept 146 since it's Floyd's last weigh-in weight?

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Originally Posted by fanjohn

It's the public (or fans) who demanded for this fight. Of course it will be govern by some ABC org but this org is actually being there for legalities. They have little say about this fight aside from the standard boxing rules that will be applied.

A fight at an agreed weigaht of 145 lbs. is not impossible, in fact Pacquiao fought his last fight at agreed weight of 145 lbs. Mayweather fought his at agreed weight of 144 lbs.

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The difference being ? Let me answer that for you.. Pacquiao made the weight, Mayweather was 2 pounds over... Why can't you understand that? You simply ignore it and state Mayweather fought at agreed weight 144.....? No he did not, he weighted in at 146 and god only knows how much he weighted in the ring since he refused to be weighted fight night...

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I already asked this question. If 145 is not acceptable to Team Floyd then do you think they will push and accept 146 since it's Floyd's last weigh-in weight?

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Why not just have it at 147 if you are willing to go ahead and fight at 146? The Cotto fight should have been at 147 too. At least going by the recognised weight limits less questions will be raised after the event. I remember being very irritated that the Cotto fight was at 145. It wouldn't have affected the outcome, but that is besides the point. Just fight at WW and be done with it. If you win then you take all the glory and command all the respect.

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The difference being ? Let me answer that for you.. Pacquiao made the weight, Mayweather was 2 pounds over... Why can't you understand that? You simply ignore it and state Mayweather fought at agreed weight 144.....? No he did not, he weighted in at 146 and god only knows how much he weighted in the ring since he refused to be weighted fight night...

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I already asked this question. If 145 is not acceptable to Team Floyd then do you think they will push and accept 146 since it's Floyd's last weigh-in weight?

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Why not just have it at 147 if you are willing to go ahead and fight at 146? The Cotto fight should have been at 147 too. At least going by the recognised weight limits less questions will be raised after the event. I remember being very irritated that the Cotto fight was at 145. It wouldn't have affected the outcome, but that is besides the point. Just fight at WW and be done with it. If you win then you take all the glory and command all the respect.

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Pacquiao's last weigh-in was at 144 lbs. and that the highest weigh-in weight he has done so far. Team Pacquiao is asking for a 145 lbs. weigh-in for the Floyd fight. It's 1 lb more than Pacquiao's highest weigh-in weight.

I think Team Floyd is considerable enough to agree at least at 146 lbs., his last weigh-in weight.

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I already asked this question. If 145 is not acceptable to Team Floyd then do you think they will push and accept 146 since it's Floyd's last weigh-in weight?

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Why not just have it at 147 if you are willing to go ahead and fight at 146? The Cotto fight should have been at 147 too. At least going by the recognised weight limits less questions will be raised after the event. I remember being very irritated that the Cotto fight was at 145. It wouldn't have affected the outcome, but that is besides the point. Just fight at WW and be done with it. If you win then you take all the glory and command all the respect.

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Pacquiao's last weigh-in was at 144 lbs. and that the highest weigh-in weight he has done so far. Team Pacquiao is asking for a 145 lbs. weigh-in for the Floyd fight. It's 1 lb more than Pacquiao's highest weigh-in weight.

I think Team Floyd is considerable enough to agree at least at 146 lbs., his last weigh-in weight.

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Freddie Roach has decided that Manny Pacquiao is a 145lb fighter. Not a 140lber or 147lber. No he's a 145lb guy & can only fight at that weight.

It was one thing for him to do it to Cotto, because granted Manny was the smaller guy & coming up in weight, whilst Cotto likes to impose his strength. I didn't agree with it, but I can understand it.

Now, he's also said he wants a Mayweather fight at 145. This smells of BS because let's face it Mayweather doesn't impose his size on people & no way is he THAT much bigger than Pacquiao.

But, to top it all off, now Roach has said that if there was to be a Pac-JMM III, it could only be at 145lbs. Yep, apparently Manny who's not big enough to make the full welterweight limit, would simply be unable to burn off the weight to make light-welterweight.

It's all here

Pacquiao-Marquez 3: Roach Would Want it at 145-Pounds - Boxing News

Apparently Roach 'likes that weight for Manny', so all weightclasses will be bastardized to suit his needs :rolleyes:

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You dont get it mate.

When Roach says 'Manny by KO in 1'. you think that's the real strategy?

same here. Roach talks a lot for leverages at the negotiation. Many hates him for talking but he needs to do it for his and pac's sakes.

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I got a question for you? Who demanded for this fight to be made?

For sure, it's not the governing bodies since it's not like someone is the mandatory challenger of some champion. Hope you have now an idea why weight class and governing bodies plays a little role in this particular rare special match up.

145 lbs. is not a ridiculous weight. It's only 1 lb. from each boxer's last weigh-in weight.

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In answer to your question , I will state the obvious, the public shows a desire for a fight (the press lead the way)
The fight is made by the promoters and the fighters camps and the terms are agreed.
Governing bodies DO play a part unless you got a Silver Dollar and a piece of tape to make the "belts' that are avaialble.
The various athletics commissions have to sanction a fight , therefore if something goes wrong soemone should be responsible. But under your thinking maybe the public who demanded the fight should be held responsible if a fighter is injured or worse trying to make a weigh demded by someone not in charge.

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It's the public (or fans) who demanded for this fight. Of course it will be govern by some ABC org but this org is actually being there for legalities. They have little say about this fight aside from the standard boxing rules that will be applied.

A fight at an agreed weight of 145 lbs. is not impossible, in fact Pacquiao fought his last fight at agreed weight of 145 lbs. Mayweather fought his at agreed weight of 144 lbs.

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Errmm , didn't I say that . I think all your hugging is not allowing your blood to flow to your brain and you keep going round in circles.

They are putting the bout at 145 against Floyd so that they would get some money. Everybody knows Floyd will come in overweight like he did against Marquez.

Roach knows Manny can fight at 147 limit, the thing is he will need to challenge guys to make that weight, and make some money out of it too. You see he told the everyone that it will be OK if Cotto will come in at 147, the show will go on (with 2million penalty of course), but if Cotto surpass 147, then the he call the bout off. That is the welterweight limit. If Cotto came in at 147 he will not be stripped off his belt, he will just be fined heavily, that's it.

If Roach gives in on 147, Floyd will come over 150. If thats 1million a pound over 147, then thats 3 million -- and it means nothing to Floyd if his "undefeated status" is on the line.

Pre fight poker: 50 /50 bets all in ;
I'll raise them a pound into catch
and see them on a walk in first.

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Why not just have it at 147 if you are willing to go ahead and fight at 146? The Cotto fight should have been at 147 too. At least going by the recognised weight limits less questions will be raised after the event. I remember being very irritated that the Cotto fight was at 145. It wouldn't have affected the outcome, but that is besides the point. Just fight at WW and be done with it. If you win then you take all the glory and command all the respect.

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Pacquiao's last weigh-in was at 144 lbs. and that the highest weigh-in weight he has done so far. Team Pacquiao is asking for a 145 lbs. weigh-in for the Floyd fight. It's 1 lb more than Pacquiao's highest weigh-in weight.

I think Team Floyd is considerable enough to agree at least at 146 lbs., his last weigh-in weight.

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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I could agree with that since he beaten Cotto it could still depends on their PAC - Floyds team.

but Pacquiao or Mayweather is not really big welters like Cotto..145 would be fine..

I guess both Floyd and Pacquiao would not fight a Huge players in Welters like Paul WILL and Margarito or even Shane Mosley really at 147.

145 would be fair enough. Pacquiao could wiegh at 144 and Floyd for 145 still a advantage for Floyd coz he's bigger physically. but i doubt it if Floyd can go as if a contracted 145.

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Pacquiao's last weigh-in was at 144 lbs. and that the highest weigh-in weight he has done so far. Team Pacquiao is asking for a 145 lbs. weigh-in for the Floyd fight. It's 1 lb more than Pacquiao's highest weigh-in weight.

I think Team Floyd is considerable enough to agree at least at 146 lbs., his last weigh-in weight.

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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I could agree with that since he beaten Cotto it could still depends on their PAC - Floyds team.

but Pacquiao or Mayweather is not really big welters like Cotto..145 would be fine..

I guess both Floyd and Pacquiao would not fight a Huge players in Welters like Paul WILL and Margarito or even Shane Mosley really at 147.

145 would be fair enough. Pacquiao could wiegh at 144 and Floyd for 145 still a advantage for Floyd coz he's bigger physically. but i doubt it if Floyd can go as if a contracted 145.

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I know. lets call it a WW fight and you come in anywhere you like within the limit without telling someone else what to weigh on the night;D

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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I could agree with that since he beaten Cotto it could still depends on their PAC - Floyds team.

but Pacquiao or Mayweather is not really big welters like Cotto..145 would be fine..

I guess both Floyd and Pacquiao would not fight a Huge players in Welters like Paul WILL and Margarito or even Shane Mosley really at 147.

145 would be fair enough. Pacquiao could wiegh at 144 and Floyd for 145 still a advantage for Floyd coz he's bigger physically. but i doubt it if Floyd can go as if a contracted 145.

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I know. lets call it a WW fight and you come in anywhere you like within the limit without telling someone else what to weigh on the night;D

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Well it could really happens mate, a WW showdown.;)

if he wants Manny at 145 then make Manny weigh in at 145 and let Mayweather weigh 146. All just BSing imo.

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Why not just have it at 147 if you are willing to go ahead and fight at 146? The Cotto fight should have been at 147 too. At least going by the recognised weight limits less questions will be raised after the event. I remember being very irritated that the Cotto fight was at 145. It wouldn't have affected the outcome, but that is besides the point. Just fight at WW and be done with it. If you win then you take all the glory and command all the respect.

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Pacquiao's last weigh-in was at 144 lbs. and that the highest weigh-in weight he has done so far. Team Pacquiao is asking for a 145 lbs. weigh-in for the Floyd fight. It's 1 lb more than Pacquiao's highest weigh-in weight.

I think Team Floyd is considerable enough to agree at least at 146 lbs., his last weigh-in weight.

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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That's totally wrong for it means JMM can come at 135 against Floyd who can come at 147 or Pacquiao coming in at 140 against Cotto who can come in at 147. I think you can clearly see that there has to be a compromise weight somewhere in the middle like 144 for Floyd-JMM and 145 for Pacquiao-Cotto.

I think 145 is just fine and fair for Floyd-Pacquiao fight.

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In answer to your question , I will state the obvious, the public shows a desire for a fight (the press lead the way)
The fight is made by the promoters and the fighters camps and the terms are agreed.
Governing bodies DO play a part unless you got a Silver Dollar and a piece of tape to make the "belts' that are avaialble.
The various athletics commissions have to sanction a fight , therefore if something goes wrong soemone should be responsible. But under your thinking maybe the public who demanded the fight should be held responsible if a fighter is injured or worse trying to make a weigh demded by someone not in charge.

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It's the public (or fans) who demanded for this fight. Of course it will be govern by some ABC org but this org is actually being there for legalities. They have little say about this fight aside from the standard boxing rules that will be applied.

A fight at an agreed weight of 145 lbs. is not impossible, in fact Pacquiao fought his last fight at agreed weight of 145 lbs. Mayweather fought his at agreed weight of 144 lbs.

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Errmm , didn't I say that . I think all your hugging is not allowing your blood to flow to your brain and you keep going round in circles.

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I agree that there has to be a commission sanctioning the fight but this weight thing will be negotiated by both camps and the sanctioning commission or ABC org has very minimal influence on what fight weight both camps might agree with.

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Pacquiao's last weigh-in was at 144 lbs. and that the highest weigh-in weight he has done so far. Team Pacquiao is asking for a 145 lbs. weigh-in for the Floyd fight. It's 1 lb more than Pacquiao's highest weigh-in weight.

I think Team Floyd is considerable enough to agree at least at 146 lbs., his last weigh-in weight.

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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That's totally wrong for it means JMM can come at 135 against Floyd who can come at 147 or Pacquiao coming in at 140 against Cotto who can come in at 147. I think you can clearly see that there has to be a compromise weight somewhere in the middle like 144 for Floyd-JMM and 145 for Pacquiao-Cotto.

I think 145 is just fine and fair for Floyd-Pacquiao fight.

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It's not wrong because it is adhering to the weight classes that we all recognise. In this case the WW limit. Of course, it would never be acceptable to have LW Marquez fighting a WW Mayweather. That wasn't what I was arguing anyway.

I think a cap at 147 is perfectly acceptable and if either party wants to come in lighter than that then fair enough. I don't see anything controversial in what I am saying here.

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Pacquiao's last weigh-in was at 144 lbs. and that the highest weigh-in weight he has done so far. Team Pacquiao is asking for a 145 lbs. weigh-in for the Floyd fight. It's 1 lb more than Pacquiao's highest weigh-in weight.

I think Team Floyd is considerable enough to agree at least at 146 lbs., his last weigh-in weight.

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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That's totally wrong for it means JMM can come at 135 against Floyd who can come at 147 or Pacquiao coming in at 140 against Cotto who can come in at 147. I think you can clearly see that there has to be a compromise weight somewhere in the middle like 144 for Floyd-JMM and 145 for Pacquiao-Cotto.

I think 145 is just fine and fair for Floyd-Pacquiao fight.

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You would do.

remind us what the RANGE for the WW division is? Both fighters should be allowed to weigh-in within that range. That's why it's a WW division rather than one set weight that Freddie Roach decides will handicap their opponent.

Fanjohn - If you are throwing out weight classes and insisting on a catchweight of an exact lb figure then do we fine Pacquiao for coming in under also or is this just a one-sided thing?

$1million for every lb that the fighter varies from 145 in either direction - it starts to become a bit ridiculous doesn't it - thats one of the reasons why we have weight classes.

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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That's totally wrong for it means JMM can come at 135 against Floyd who can come at 147 or Pacquiao coming in at 140 against Cotto who can come in at 147. I think you can clearly see that there has to be a compromise weight somewhere in the middle like 144 for Floyd-JMM and 145 for Pacquiao-Cotto.

I think 145 is just fine and fair for Floyd-Pacquiao fight.

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You would do.

remind us what the RANGE for the WW division is? Both fighters should be allowed to weigh-in within that range. That's why it's a WW division rather than one set weight that Freddie Roach decides will handicap their opponent.

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Thank you thank you thank you, isn't anyone getting the whole point here is that people like Roach are screwing with the set weights and trying to make a call on where an opponent comes in.They are called division for a reason apart from the SRL debacle i don't remember the last time there was a fight across actual divisions , I think the huggers really do think that Pac has a right to call out someone at HW as long as he is under the limit for HW !!!

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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That's totally wrong for it means JMM can come at 135 against Floyd who can come at 147 or Pacquiao coming in at 140 against Cotto who can come in at 147. I think you can clearly see that there has to be a compromise weight somewhere in the middle like 144 for Floyd-JMM and 145 for Pacquiao-Cotto.

I think 145 is just fine and fair for Floyd-Pacquiao fight.

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It's not wrong because it is adhering to the weight classes that we all recognise. In this case the WW limit. Of course, it would never be acceptable to have LW Marquez fighting a WW Mayweather. That wasn't what I was arguing anyway.

I think a cap at 147 is perfectly acceptable and if either party wants to come in lighter than that then fair enough. I don't see anything controversial in what I am saying here.

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You're right the 144 catchweight of Floyd-JMM fight was too wide that you will have difficulties justifying it and I was surprised that fight was even allowed to take place.

So we'll look at the 145 catchweight of Pacquiao-Cotto instead. Pacquiao considered a 140 lb boxer move up 5 lbs to 145 while Cotto, a 147 lb boxer move down 2 lbs to 145. Wasn't it a fair catchweight? I say yes.

Come to think of it, if 145 is fair for Pacquiao-Cotto, how much more for Pacquiao-Floyd?

I thought i heard Pacquiao stated ,in one of the interviews after his big win vs. Cotto,that he will no longer climb up in weight on his next bout.And i guess this is at 145lbs.

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If Pac is more comfortable at 144 then let him do that, if Floyd is more comfortable at 147 then let him do that. We should have two athletes at their optimum weight and let the fans have the fight they want for once. No dilly dallying over weight. If Manny wants to be a WW then he should learn to handle the weight or else go back down to JWW.

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That's totally wrong for it means JMM can come at 135 against Floyd who can come at 147 or Pacquiao coming in at 140 against Cotto who can come in at 147. I think you can clearly see that there has to be a compromise weight somewhere in the middle like 144 for Floyd-JMM and 145 for Pacquiao-Cotto.

I think 145 is just fine and fair for Floyd-Pacquiao fight.

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You would do.

remind us what the RANGE for the WW division is? Both fighters should be allowed to weigh-in within that range. That's why it's a WW division rather than one set weight that Freddie Roach decides will handicap their opponent.

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From what I understood from Roach, Floyd can weigh-in at 147 (or 146) if he wants to but he has to pay some penalties. Roach is only asking Floyd to weigh-in at 145 if he can (Cotto just did). The fight will still go on even if Floyd weigh-in at 147 and it will be called off if Floyd weigh-in over 147.

Like what GBP/Floyd labeled it for the Floyd-JMM fight weight, it's a "welterweight" fight.

I never agreed to Pacquiao fighting Cotto for a 147 belt at 145 but I don't see the problem with Roach calling out Mayweather at 145. I do see a problem if this fight will be for that same 147 belt (which it undoubtebly will) as this will just further turn the idea of weight classes into a sad commercial joke. However I think this fight
would be fought at 147 and Roach is just trying to gain leverage. However, I do think this fight will be lost at the negotiation table and that Pacquiao and Mayweather will only meet once if they both suffer notable losses.

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That's totally wrong for it means JMM can come at 135 against Floyd who can come at 147 or Pacquiao coming in at 140 against Cotto who can come in at 147. I think you can clearly see that there has to be a compromise weight somewhere in the middle like 144 for Floyd-JMM and 145 for Pacquiao-Cotto.

I think 145 is just fine and fair for Floyd-Pacquiao fight.

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You would do.

remind us what the RANGE for the WW division is? Both fighters should be allowed to weigh-in within that range. That's why it's a WW division rather than one set weight that Freddie Roach decides will handicap their opponent.

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From what I understood from Roach, Floyd can weigh-in at 147 (or 146) if he wants to but he has to pay some penalties. Roach is only asking Floyd to weigh-in at 145 if he can (Cotto just did). The fight will still go on even if Floyd weigh-in at 147 and it will be called off if Floyd weigh-in over 147.

Like what GBP/Floyd labeled it for the Floyd-JMM fight weight, it's a "welterweight" fight.

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That's very kind of Mr. Roach who died and made him God of all things boxing? :rolleyes:

More garbage from Roach and garbage if anyone agrees with him, I'd ban anyone who agreed with it for crimes against sense and boxing.

I have absolutely no problem with the Pacman weighing 145, but if he's fighting at welterweight, then his opposition should damn well be able to weight up to the limit of 147, this should not even be up for debate really. It was dissapointing enough to see Cotto get the thumbed into fighting at 145. It must stay a one off man......

On the other hand, if there is one guy who will just say "see you later" to a stupid weight demand its Mayweather. He'll please himself i would have thought and go fight someone else.

Most people seem to have missed my main problem. It is not the wanting to bring Mayweather down to 145, although that pisses me off as it did with the Cotto fight, it is saying Marquez has to come up to 145. What so Pacquiao can't make 140, but he's too small for 147?

If he's too small, then fight Marquez at 140. If he can't make that fight Mayweather at 147.

Someone mentioned the fight-night weigh-ins for Mayweather-Marquez, apparently Ring Magazine were allowed to weigh both & gave the weights in their latest issue, Marquez was 147 & Mayweather was 152. You can check that in their latest issue.

Btw, I should say welcome back XaduBoxer, where did you come up with the name fanjohn?

Roach wants Pac to fight small fighters at a higher weights and big fighters at lower weights its all BS.

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I have absolutely no problem with the Pacman weighing 145, but if he's fighting at welterweight, then his opposition should damn well be able to weight up to the limit of 147, this should not even be up for debate really. It was dissapointing enough to see Cotto get the thumbed into fighting at 145. It must stay a one off man......

On the other hand, if there is one guy who will just say "see you later" to a stupid weight demand its Mayweather. He'll please himself i would have thought and go fight someone else.

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i agree

See roach is full of s*** for this catch weight crap. He stated that he wants pacman to weigt 145 pounds for the fight with mayweather. last time I checked that qualified him as a welterweight, meaning from 141-147 is legal weight limit. So why does everyone have to weight this stupid catch weight that Roach wants or suffer a fine? Especially since the people who hes imposed this on would all weight in at the 147 that they are legally allowed to and still be considered a "welterweight". Pacman isnt the first person in history to move up in weight divisons and not weight the limit of the weight and fight bigger people. Hell, rjj won the heavyweight world title at 193, he didnt try to make ruiz weight in at 200 or some bs. Mayweather gets crap for his duckin people and fighting little people like he should but pacman needs to get called out on this crap.

I think Roach's main worry is that Mayweather will do what he did last time and delibratley come in over to gain an advantage.

They could set the weight at 144, but if Mayweather thinks "fuck it, my record is more important" he'll sacrafice maybe £3m of the £25m he'll prob make. Then make even more because he has won from being far heavier.

It is just negociation tools and to secure a way Floyd won't be able to get loose like what he did with JMM. As for the JMM thing, the message is very simple: We want Mayweather next and we aren't interested at fighting JMM right now". Just negociation tools and a way to cut the fat you don't want in your recipe in order to get the one you want served on a plate.

If its a WW fight, then theres no reason why Pac's opponents should have to come in under the limit. I disagreed with Cotto's belt being on the line last week when he couldn't come in on the WW limit. The weight ranges from 141-147, so any fight for the title should allow for both fighters to weigh in at any weight in that range. As for the Marquez fight only being able to happen at 145, thats because Roach saw that Marquez doesn't carry the weight up well from the Mayweather fight. If Pac-Marquez III happned at LW then Marquez would cause Pac the same problems he did in their first two fights, and Roach would want a convincing win to prove his man's better. I think whoever Pac fights next theres going to be a huge issue over the weight and it'll end up being fought at a catchweight, which is wrong especially if the belt was on the line

I dont know how anyone can defend this catch weight crap. Its simple principle of the matter. If Freddie Roach was head coach of a NBA team and said hey im only gonna play 9 of my players so u can only play 9 of your guys everyone would say thats BS. So how is a catch weight for a welterweight fight any less retarded. Sugar ray leonard went up in weight to fight donnie lalonde and he knew he wouldnt make the weight limit but he didnt try to make him come in at a stupid catch weight.