Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
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It isn't much, but the only thing Pavlik can take away from the Hopkins loss is that he never went down. He may have taken a beating but he had the heart to stand and deal with it for twelve rounds. That shows big-time chin and big-time heart.
I thought quite the opposite. It seemed to me that there were a number of points in the mid-rounds where Hopkins could have finished it, but I got the impression he was keeping him there to do a job on him in the last round like he did to Trinidad. I do think Pavlik showed a good chin and heart in his fights with Taylor, but if he watched the Hopkins fight, I think he would surely have seen those moments where B-Hop mugged at him rather than finish him. Hopkins also has a habit of leaving fighters never the same after they've been in the ring with him, even if they won a la Taylor, they never look quite as good in their subsequent showings.
I do think Lyle is a bit harsh on him though, Pavlik remains one of the hardest punchers in the sport & I think anyone who fights him would have to fight a supremely disciplined fight to beat him. There's only 3 guys from 154-175 that I could say with a great degree of certainty have the discipline to do that, Hopkins, Dawson and Ward. I think Abraham would also beat him because he's got an iron chin and equivalent power, but Pavlik remains good money against most of the others for me.
Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
When all is said and done what Pavlik needs is a big win against a top quality opponent to prove the naysayers wrong. Bottom line. Of the available opponents, a knockout win over Williams/Martinez would do it in my eyes as would one over Sturm.
Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
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If Martinez rematches Williams, is Sturm the only other respectable opponent at 160 for Pavlik?
Pretty much and Sturm won't fight Pavlik... He's content with his title and defending it in his country. Pavlik would beat Sturm at this juncture of his career. I think the Sturm that beat ODLH is past.
Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
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I call him a punk because he had been on the right track fighting threats and then he (like Sturm and Abraham before the super6) just started fighting bums....Lockett, Epsino who the fuck are they???
Kelly got his ass whupped 1 time and he's been sulking about it ever since then....I think mentally he's shot, we've seen it before where a fighter loses once and they can't cope with it so they continue to look poor and lose fights....well Kelly is now on that path.
I think Williams could beat Kelly but I KNOW Martinez would
I agree, I think Martinez would beat Pavlik, and we may get the chance to see it, because I heard that there are already talks for the fight to happen in April. I guess HBO is pushing for it, because I think that they know that a fight between Pavlik and Williams will probably never happen. Williams wants 50% of the purse, because of everything that has happened, and no way will Pavlik and Top Rank agree to that. Plus, it's pretty obvious that HBO has taken to Martinez, and want to get him some more fights on their network.
I used to be a big fan of Pavlik, especially since he's a local guy, but I lost pretty much all my respect for him by how extremely unprofessional he was during this past year. Of course for me personally, the issue at the top of my list is the way he bitched out of the SIGNED contract he had with Sergio Mora. :mad:
Martinez is a beast! It's sad we're all just seeing it now(meaning as of Cintron through the fight with Williams)... He was a hidden tresure to people like myself... I'm sure there's gonna be alot of shit talkers on here that are gonna pop off at the mouth that they knew all about Sergio Martinez a long time ago... Whatever.. Fact is, I knew his name, his record and that's it... When he KNOCKED OUT CINTRON... He opened my eyes... Great boxer... great poise... loose... comfortable... solid boxer... Then came the Williams bout... FUCKING BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO MATINEZ's career! God bless Martinez! He took a fight at a catch weight agaist a deamon of a fighter. Sad it's happened so late. I know he lost to Margarito but he is not the same fighter... Not at all... I've seen that fight. Martinez is the best natural jr middleweight in the world...:puncher:
I am 100% sure that Martinez fought to a highly controversial DRAW with Cintron... But the rest of the post is very, very true. So many people are going to talk like they always knew what Martinez was about, but unless you are from Argentina you'd never have known. He has quickly become one of my favorite fighters overnight!
Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
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I agree, I think Martinez would beat Pavlik, and we may get the chance to see it, because I heard that there are already talks for the fight to happen in April. I guess HBO is pushing for it, because I think that they know that a fight between Pavlik and Williams will probably never happen. Williams wants 50% of the purse, because of everything that has happened, and no way will Pavlik and Top Rank agree to that. Plus, it's pretty obvious that HBO has taken to Martinez, and want to get him some more fights on their network.
I used to be a big fan of Pavlik, especially since he's a local guy, but I lost pretty much all my respect for him by how extremely unprofessional he was during this past year. Of course for me personally, the issue at the top of my list is the way he bitched out of the SIGNED contract he had with Sergio Mora. :mad:
Martinez is a beast! It's sad we're all just seeing it now(meaning as of Cintron through the fight with Williams)... He was a hidden tresure to people like myself... I'm sure there's gonna be alot of shit talkers on here that are gonna pop off at the mouth that they knew all about Sergio Martinez a long time ago... Whatever.. Fact is, I knew his name, his record and that's it... When he KNOCKED OUT CINTRON... He opened my eyes... Great boxer... great poise... loose... comfortable... solid boxer... Then came the Williams bout... FUCKING BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO MATINEZ's career! God bless Martinez! He took a fight at a catch weight agaist a deamon of a fighter. Sad it's happened so late. I know he lost to Margarito but he is not the same fighter... Not at all... I've seen that fight. Martinez is the best natural jr middleweight in the world...:puncher:
I am 100% sure that Martinez fought to a highly controversial
DRAW with Cintron... But the rest of the post is very, very true. So many people are going to talk like they always knew what Martinez was about, but unless you are from Argentina you'd never have known. He has quickly become one of my favorite fighters overnight!
Yup, that's what his record says but the fans know Cintron lost that fight like 3 times that night.
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I think people are SO hypercritical when it comes to fighters. Nobody can even challenge Pavlik right now and that bothers everyone. So why don't you all juts hate Hopkins for beating him? I mean he's the one who let the air outta the balloon for everyone?
And Hopkins.. can you call Orneleus a real opponent? A man who made his career 2 divisions below where he fought BHop? I have more hate in my heart for Hop based on him still trying to get the RJJ fight than anything else in boxing.
I think it's pretty obvious that he would rather face a B+ opponent with a recently injured hand that Williams. Is that not logical to you guys? I think he didn't really consider what a douche he would look like as he dragged negotiations on with Pwill for all that time. And now, it has affect the most important thing to him... his fans!!!
Pavlik will bounce back from the Hopkins loss. Hopefully he learned something, and he will fight on his toes more from now on. We'll see... but it's pretty sad everyone is so willing to write him off for what you call a top 5 P4P fighter. Personally I don't see Hopkins as that good, so I should be taking the loss with more weight than anyone else out there.
Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
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Missed the return of one of my favourite fighters last night, because yet again, it wasnt televised in Britain. Good to see Pavlik return to his knockout ways and from what i hear, Espino put up a brave effort before getting stopped so kudos to him. For the people who saw the fight, what did you think?
Who is Miguel Espino?
Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
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JonnyFolds
I think people are SO hypercritical when it comes to fighters. Nobody can even challenge Pavlik right now and that bothers everyone. So why don't you all juts hate Hopkins for beating him? I mean he's the one who let the air outta the balloon for everyone?
And Hopkins.. can you call Orneleus a real opponent? A man who made his career 2 divisions below where he fought BHop? I have more hate in my heart for Hop based on him still trying to get the RJJ fight than anything else in boxing.
I think it's pretty obvious that he would rather face a B+ opponent with a recently injured hand that Williams. Is that not logical to you guys? I think he didn't really consider what a douche he would look like as he dragged negotiations on with Pwill for all that time. And now, it has affect the most important thing to him... his fans!!!
Pavlik will bounce back from the Hopkins loss. Hopefully he learned something, and he will fight on his toes more from now on. We'll see... but it's pretty sad everyone is so willing to write him off for what you call a top 5 P4P fighter. Personally I don't see Hopkins as that good, so I should be taking the loss with more weight than anyone else out there.
Yeah, Kelly has had a tough year out of the ring... I'm more irritated with that then anything. Like I said before, he was fine to defend his ABC straps but not to fight paul... Look, nomatter how you cut it he looks like a douche. I'm not writing Kelly off but he's got to show me he still wants to be champion. I'll give him '10 and then make my dicision... He needs to cut out the drinking and punching guys in the nuts in bars and shit... Leave that to me... I got it covered.
Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
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Missed the return of one of my favourite fighters last night, because yet again, it wasnt televised in Britain. Good to see Pavlik return to his knockout ways and from what i hear, Espino put up a brave effort before getting stopped so kudos to him. For the people who saw the fight, what did you think?
Who is Miguel Espino?
LOL.
When your most noteable win is a points loss to Peter Manfredo... Well...........
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Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
Gotya on the Cintron-Martinez fight, bro.
...And I'll leave the ball punching to you, I'll stick with smacking bald people in the back of the head.
Wait a minute.. You follow all of Manfredo's career just like I do! I remember everyone he beat!
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I am, indeed, a Peter Manfredo fan... I grew up in RI. I can honestly say I saw Manfredo vs Pemberton, Spina and Benfield in person.
Re: Welcome back Kelly Pavlik
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I am, indeed, a Peter Manfredo fan... I grew up in RI. I can honestly say I saw Manfredo vs Pemberton, Spina and Benfield in person.
Too bad he caused you to turn into "Pride of Ballsack" though. :tease-new:
BTW, you should have put the sigi up when it was the holiday season, because it's just sooooo festive. ;)
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I am, indeed, a Peter Manfredo fan... I grew up in RI. I can honestly say I saw Manfredo vs Pemberton, Spina and Benfield in person.
Too bad he caused you to turn into "Pride of Ballsack" though. :tease-new:
BTW, you should have put the sigi up when it was the holiday season, because it's just sooooo festive. ;)
If I remember correctly it stated- "Pride of Boston and Peter Manfredo Jr. in... The nutsucker sweet" and it had peter manfredo in tights and my grill against his junk... am I remembering right, Diane? LOL:LOLATYOU:
