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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Taeth
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Taeth
The same commission that let Margarito all but get away with loading his gloves? Mayweather gives a very fair explination why he believes they should both take further testing, and its not an unfair request. Especially given the amount of athletes who have been caught taking steroids. I don't see how this is Mayweather gaining an edge, and I doubt that Manny takes steroids.
I don't think he is either and considering how things have gone over the years I can somewhat understand the request but this request is coming from a guy that gives no guarentees he will make weight nor is he willing to succumb to a severe penelty for not doing so...What does that say about Floyd?
That is why I said if one gives in then so should the other...Manny should not have to test just because Floyd wants him to, and like I said if it happens then it will open the doors for other fighters to make such demands....
They make such test before and after fights for illegal substances.....That should be good enough anything else is a demand on the opponents behalf so if Manny gives in so should Floyd on the weight penelty..
I do think the commissions drop the ball often considering the example you used with Margarito...I have said openly several times that it is a crime that Richardson found the substance not the official....
As for Floyd agreeing to the test sure he will because he will be able to step in with a 20 plus pound weight advantage by not agreeing to make weight so explain to me how that is not just as much the advantage as the use of steroids? Though I condone neither......In fact that is justr as bad if not worse because he is using it as a mental advantage as well a physical one....
Why the hell can't there ever be a fight that just goes off without this bullshit? Just train, step in the ring fight your best and the better man of the evening wins......
I guess that fad wore off in the 70's
How the hell woudl Mayweather enjoy a 20 pound weigh advantage? When has Mayweather ever put on even 7+ pounds between a weigh and the fight? Not even when he was at 130 did he add that much weight from the weigh in to the fight. Mayweather has never been recorded gaining more than 3 pounds between weigh-in and the pre fight weigh-in, and that was against Baldomir. Mayweather came in at 146 with absolutely no problems against Juan Manuel Marquez, why would anyone think he wouldn't make the welterweight limit? Mayweather maybe weighed 4-6 pounds more than Marquez, but not anywhere near to 20 pounds. The only difference in their size was his height which was an inch or two.
It was an exaggeration and I don't think I ever mentioned the Marquez fight....Then why should Manny take Floyds requested drug test but Floyd not agree to the penelty on the overweight limit?
It is OK for Floyd not to weigh in correctly but not OK for Manny to deny Floyds demanded test?
That is fair how?
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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DaxxKahn
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Taeth
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DaxxKahn
I don't think he is either and considering how things have gone over the years I can somewhat understand the request but this request is coming from a guy that gives no guarentees he will make weight nor is he willing to succumb to a severe penelty for not doing so...What does that say about Floyd?
That is why I said if one gives in then so should the other...Manny should not have to test just because Floyd wants him to, and like I said if it happens then it will open the doors for other fighters to make such demands....
They make such test before and after fights for illegal substances.....That should be good enough anything else is a demand on the opponents behalf so if Manny gives in so should Floyd on the weight penelty..
I do think the commissions drop the ball often considering the example you used with Margarito...I have said openly several times that it is a crime that Richardson found the substance not the official....
As for Floyd agreeing to the test sure he will because he will be able to step in with a 20 plus pound weight advantage by not agreeing to make weight so explain to me how that is not just as much the advantage as the use of steroids? Though I condone neither......In fact that is justr as bad if not worse because he is using it as a mental advantage as well a physical one....
Why the hell can't there ever be a fight that just goes off without this bullshit? Just train, step in the ring fight your best and the better man of the evening wins......
I guess that fad wore off in the 70's
How the hell woudl Mayweather enjoy a 20 pound weigh advantage? When has Mayweather ever put on even 7+ pounds between a weigh and the fight? Not even when he was at 130 did he add that much weight from the weigh in to the fight. Mayweather has never been recorded gaining more than 3 pounds between weigh-in and the pre fight weigh-in, and that was against Baldomir. Mayweather came in at 146 with absolutely no problems against Juan Manuel Marquez, why would anyone think he wouldn't make the welterweight limit? Mayweather maybe weighed 4-6 pounds more than Marquez, but not anywhere near to 20 pounds. The only difference in their size was his height which was an inch or two.
It was an exaggeration and I don't think I ever mentioned the Marquez fight....Then why should Manny take Floyds requested drug test but Floyd not agree to the penelty on the overweight limit?
It is OK for Floyd not to weigh in correctly but not OK for Manny to deny Floyds demanded test?
That is fair how?
Well according to the article.
"Schaefer said that all terms -- including the site (MGM Grand in Las Vegas) and an unprecedented $10 million-per-pound penalty if either fighter comes in over the 147-pound limit -- had been agreed to by both sides."
So if we assume that this is true and Floyd agreed to the missing weight penalty, I don't think a drug screen is too out of order.
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Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.
Smells to me like the man is scared of something.
Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.
And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?
But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?
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30 days? Really, 30 days? If anyone believes that you are going to be drained on the night of a fight because of blood test given weeks in advance is nuts.
Also, of course Mayweather was significantly bigger and stronger then Marquez. When Marquez fought Juan Diaz, it was completely obvious to pretty much everyone that the physically stronger man in the ring was Diaz. If Diaz was stronger, we knew Floyd would come in and be the much more stronger. 10 mil a pound is ridiculous, fck that if I was Pacquiao I would be droppin some cash on tryin to get someone to rig the scales I'm all for forcing Floyd to make weight but 10 million a pound is ridiculous.
None of us know for sure one way or another if Pac is juicing but these days you can never be surprised
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Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.
Smells to me like the man is scared of something.
Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.
And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?
But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?
I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?
Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.
There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.
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Sorry I don't see how this extra blood screening is a bad idea or sign that Mayweather is scared. The blood is a non issue as far as dehydration, that is just ridiculous. They aren't draining pints for him to donate. We are probably talking about 6 mls of blood here.
There is no reason for Pac to decline this testing if Floyd is accepting his demands. If Pac is in fact ducking this drug screening, there is good reason so be suspicious about it, but I will believe it when it is actually out of Pac's mouth or something a little more solid I guess.
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Oops guess I'm wrong. Pacquiao will go through the blood test, just not during training camp, but before the press conference and after the fight he would do the test.
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He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight."
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Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Greig
Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.
Smells to me like the man is scared of something.
Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.
And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?
But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?
I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?
Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.
There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.
I'll side with Manny over this one. Manny has already agreed for the drug testing before the initial press conference and after the fight. If there are drugs in his system it would not magically disappear after the fight date itself.
Manny does have a phobia of needles. Any one of us here that does have a phobia would not be happy if you are force to do something that you don't want to do. The olympic style testing will subject you to a random blood test of 3-5 times and 11 urine test. So if you have a phobia with needles you would always be worried when would the next blood test will occur and it would affect you mentally as you prepare for the fight.
Again, Manny agreed on 2 blood test. Before the initial press conference and after the fight itself. Isn't this good enough? Surely if there are drugs in his system it would be found by the blood sample he will submit after the fight.
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killersheep
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Greig
Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.
Smells to me like the man is scared of something.
Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.
And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?
But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?
I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?
Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.
There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.
I'll side with Manny over this one. Manny has already agreed for the drug testing before the initial press conference and after the fight. If there are drugs in his system it would not magically disappear after the fight date itself.
Manny does have a phobia of needles. Any one of us here that does have a phobia would not be happy if you are force to do something that you don't want to do. The olympic style testing will subject you to a random blood test of 3-5 times and 11 urine test. So if you have a phobia with needles you would always be worried when would the next blood test will occur and it would affect you mentally as you prepare for the fight.
Again, Manny agreed on 2 blood test. Before the initial press conference and after the fight itself. Isn't this good enough? Surely if there are drugs in his system it would be found by the blood sample he will submit after the fight.
What's the difference in time then? As for others phobias of needles surely they would overcome that for 40 million dollars.
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If Manny has a phobia of needles, one he can't get over for $25m, how the fuck did he manage to get all those tattoos??
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funny how pacquiao fans try to spin his refusal to take a simple blood test. you can spin it all you want but the fact is this, take this stupid drug test if you don't have anything to hide. simple as that! and if you decide you don't want the fight because of a simple little blood test, you are going to be labeled a fraud!
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Re: Should this fight not happen because of...
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pacquiao's refusal to submit to the very same blood test mayweather has agreed to, i will consider pacquiao a massive fraud. here is the number one p4p fighter in the world who is afraid of a little needle because he is superstitious? give me a damned break! with his recent refusal to take this blood test shows me that he is a fraud and a cheat. if he has nothing to hide then go ahead and show the world that you're clean. besides, you wouldn't want to let your whole country down, the same country who considers you their God, would you?
how can a god not even win a congressional seat? don't be stupid. lol
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I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?
Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.
There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.
I'll side with Manny over this one. Manny has already agreed for the drug testing before the initial press conference and after the fight. If there are drugs in his system it would not magically disappear after the fight date itself.
Manny does have a phobia of needles. Any one of us here that does have a phobia would not be happy if you are force to do something that you don't want to do. The olympic style testing will subject you to a random blood test of 3-5 times and 11 urine test. So if you have a phobia with needles you would always be worried when would the next blood test will occur and it would affect you mentally as you prepare for the fight.
Again, Manny agreed on 2 blood test. Before the initial press conference and after the fight itself. Isn't this good enough? Surely if there are drugs in his system it would be found by the blood sample he will submit after the fight.
What's the difference in time then? As for others phobias of needles surely they would overcome that for 40 million dollars.
The difference in time is the 3 remaining blood test. Its between training camp and fight night itself. Phobias can be overcome surely for 40 million. But the point is there is nothing that they are going to find 24 hours before the fight that they cannot find five minutes after the fight.
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Why has Floyd never raised this with any previous opponents?
This is gamesmanship and bullshit. If Pac was juicing surely to fuck he'd have been found out by now.:rolleyes:
The Mayweathers are playing mind games - lets not forget it was them who leaked this to the press so they can claim the moral high ground if the fight goes belly up. Frankly if I was Pac I'd say 'fuck you'. I'd comply with the NSAC drug tests and say bollocks to the Mayweathers.
Floyd needs the money more than Pac IMO;D
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I'll side with Manny over this one. Manny has already agreed for the drug testing before the initial press conference and after the fight. If there are drugs in his system it would not magically disappear after the fight date itself.
Manny does have a phobia of needles. Any one of us here that does have a phobia would not be happy if you are force to do something that you don't want to do. The olympic style testing will subject you to a random blood test of 3-5 times and 11 urine test. So if you have a phobia with needles you would always be worried when would the next blood test will occur and it would affect you mentally as you prepare for the fight.
Again, Manny agreed on 2 blood test. Before the initial press conference and after the fight itself. Isn't this good enough? Surely if there are drugs in his system it would be found by the blood sample he will submit after the fight.
What's the difference in time then? As for others phobias of needles surely they would overcome that for 40 million dollars.
The difference in time is the 3 remaining blood test. Its between training camp and fight night itself. Phobias can be overcome surely for 40 million. But the point is there is nothing that they are going to find 24 hours before the fight that they cannot find five minutes after the fight.
Good than you agree there is no issue other than divaism then. I'm not saying Mayweather isn't a diva too, but on this point I don't see any valid reason to NOT change the drug test time.
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Greig
Why has Floyd never raised this with any previous opponents?
This is gamesmanship and bullshit. If Pac was juicing surely to fuck he'd have been found out by now.:rolleyes:
The Mayweathers are playing mind games - lets not forget it was them who leaked this to the press so they can claim the moral high ground if the fight goes belly up. Frankly if I was Pac I'd say 'fuck you'. I'd comply with the NSAC drug tests and say bollocks to the Mayweathers.
Floyd needs the money more than Pac IMO;D
How many other opponents have required 10 million per pound?
The fact remains at this point neither guy can make even close to the same amount fighting anyone else.
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jerome01
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killersheep
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Greig
Sorry, but it's hard not to think that Floyd is being a bit of a dickhead here.
The NSAC's drug testing procedures have been fine for him in everyone of his fights in Vegas so far, but now all of a sudden he's demanding extended testing?? Nevada has the most stringent drug testing procedures in the country, yet they are not good enough for the Mayweathers.
Smells to me like the man is scared of something.
Whether he agrees to them or not, first blood to Pacman. Mayweather is blinking before the contract is even signed.
And before anybody says that Pac is scared because of the weight clause, is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to be on weight?
But is it unreasonable for a boxer to expect his opponent to subject himself to drug testing procedures that he's never had to before, by an organisation that have proven unreliable in the past?
I have to side with Mayweather here. I mean what is the loss to Pacquiao if he subjects himself to the test? Is he going to be extra fatigued for the fight or what?
Make no mistake about it, this is THE defining fight of our generation it's the best offense against the best defense. Two fighters in their prime p4p #1 against the former p4p #1.
There is good cause to take extra steps to make sure the playing field is level. I know it's cool and common to hate on Mayweather, but he is not being unreasonable on this point.
I'll side with Manny over this one. Manny has already agreed for the drug testing before the initial press conference and after the fight. If there are drugs in his system it would not magically disappear after the fight date itself.
Manny does have a phobia of needles. Any one of us here that does have a phobia would not be happy if you are force to do something that you don't want to do. The olympic style testing will subject you to a random blood test of 3-5 times and 11 urine test. So if you have a phobia with needles you would always be worried when would the next blood test will occur and it would affect you mentally as you prepare for the fight.
Again, Manny agreed on 2 blood test. Before the initial press conference and after the fight itself. Isn't this good enough? Surely if there are drugs in his system it would be found by the blood sample he will submit after the fight.
Not really, with any high quality steroid, he could easily take it after the press conference it would make an impact on his performance, and it could out of the system by the time the fight took place, but he would still benefit from the enhancements produced by taking said steroids.
And people are talking about Manny being superstituous about changing up his routine, but he has changed where he has trained for fights, he has not even fully prepared for fights like against Jorge Solis or Oscar Larios. He has added Alex as a conditioning coach.
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Both acting the diva well aware of their stature.Honestly I wont lose sleep missing this fight....whats the undercard....?
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Am i the only one who finds it suspicious that he will accept one just before the fight and after the fight but not 30 days? Anyone heard of cycling steroids? If you stop in just the right amount of time it will not show up on a blood test.
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Why doesn't Floyd agree to have his whole body tested for feces and prove he is not one big asshole?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Mayweather has already agreed to Pacquiao's demand of 10 million over the welterweight limit, it's time for Manny to agreed to this part of the bargain of blood testing. And it's only a tablespoon of blood, not that much to affect Pacquiao.
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"We're not talking about a lot blood, just a tablespoon," said Schaefer, who reiterated he is not accusing Pacquiao of any illegal drug use. "For someone that is in the public eye the way Pacquiao is, he should be held to the highest standard of drug testing. That's all we are asking for."
Problem is all kinds of shitt is gonna show up in that teaspoon.
you probably are on all kinds of shit. you talk to much crap with no proof
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What's there to hide? On different interviews, 24/7 shows, etc. Team Pac proudly talks about how Pac doesn't even take tylenol or cold medicine because he likes to be all pure. What's out there to hide then?:confused:
Youre right there's nothing to hide if Pac isn't afraid and he should comply. But its kind of funny coming from you since you're a Margarito fan, and he's a known cheat.
A Margarito fan and I have my doubts about him too. Got caught cheating once so past victories are not a bit shady. I am a fan of Oscar de la Hoya too and I don't praise everything he does. Same thing with other guys I root for.
But yeah, Team Pac proudly says he's all pure and clean so why hide all of a sudden? If, I repeat...IF...he was caught cheating with illegal substances/enhancers imagine his credibility for his past victories :( . Let's see what happens.
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Violent Demise
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generalbulldog
Mayweather has already agreed to Pacquiao's demand of 10 million over the welterweight limit, it's time for Manny to agreed to this part of the bargain of blood testing. And it's only a tablespoon of blood, not that much to affect Pacquiao.
Problem is all kinds of shitt is gonna show up in that teaspoon.
you probably are on all kinds of shit. you talk to much crap with no proof
Ah yes. Another Pac groupie who's with Pac 24/7 and knows for a fact Pac don't cheat cuz he would of seen it with his own eyes. :beat:
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As people said, the fight will go on, there are 30-40 million reasons why it will go on for each fighter. More than likely there will be a compromise of when the blood tests are done. I'm reading reports out there that the last blood test could be within 48 hours of fight time and the Pac camp doesn't want that.
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Well the whole thing just is shady. Can anyone here tell me that the tiny amount of blood taken in a drug test would not be recovered in a day? I dont think it would even effect you at all, its not like theyre draining your whole body.
Anyone who says mayweather is being a dick for asking is stupid, if theres nothing to hide then there shouldnt be a problem. I dont see a problem at all if mayweather takes the same drug test especially with the 10 mil per pound clause of the contract, pac should just humour us and take the drug test. And for the whole needle thing, the guy has tattoos so he cant be too afraid of needles.
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Taeth I'm not sure what steroid you can take for just a month and have it out of your system by fight night. In fact, it's actually basically impossible for that to be the case, lots of steroids and growth hormones stay in your fat cells for extended periods of time. If this was a normal piss test then yeah, it would be possible that someone could test clean, maybe. But with a blood test that's probably impossible. Where there's smoke there is fire. Say what you want but there has been a definite suspicion among those about Manny. Usually guys can't move up in weight, add muscle and still continue to add speed and explosiveness. Manny could be an anomaly, or he could be on one. This is a very sneaky move releasing this as a press release, it puts the onus on Pacquiao now. If he doesn't take a blood test, how could you not be left with at least somewhat of a bad taste in your mouth?
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Is it me or does Pacquiao seem to be trying to get out of this fight?? 1st of all he asks for $10 million for every lbs Floyd is over 147 (which will be none) and now he is refusing the drugs test?? Maybe he is on steroids after all during training, my trainer tells me that nandrolone can be flushed out of your system in 24 hours so the only way to catch someone on that would be under an olympic style testing system and testing just before and after the fight would be worthless!
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All of this just really pisses me off. :mad::mad:
I'm pissed at PBF for demanding extra testing. He's only doing it to create a slur on Pac and unsettle him. The man's a fucking coward.
I'm also pissed at Pac for not agreeing to the test and shoving the results down Floyds throat. The only way out for Pac is to now agree to the tests otherwise question marks will always remain over how he managed to move up so easily.
I've had my damn credit card at the ready for nearly a month now waiting for this to be announced so I can book my flight. :mad:
Here's Arum's take on it all:
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Promoter Bob Arum: Mayweather-Pacquiao off; 'Floyd never really wanted the fight'
By David Mayo | The Grand Rapids Press
December 23, 2009, 1:45AM
http://media.mlive.com/mayweather_im...f8a_medium.jpgAP File PhotoBob Arum, left, says he and Manny Pacquiao are "going in a different direction."The proposed Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao fight is off because Mayweather’s camp refused to relent on drug tests via blood rather than urine sampling, promoter Bob Arum said Tuesday night in an exclusive interview with The Press.
Arum said Pacquiao agreed to blood testing before the pre-fight press conference -- typically conducted months before a major fight -- and after the proposed March 13 bout, as well as random urine sampling at any time.
But when Mayweather’s camp insisted on random, Olympic-style blood samples, Pacquiao abandoned plans for the richest fight in history, Arum said.
“We’re going in a different direction,” Arum said. “What I believe is that Floyd never really wanted the fight and this is just harassment of Pacquiao.
“We appeased Mayweather by agreeing to a urine analysis at any time, and blood testing before the press conference and after the fight. Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn’t want the fight.”
Arum worked on the negotiations until two weeks ago.
At that point, the CEO of Top Rank Inc. withdrew, and handed over negotiations to the company president and his stepson, Todd duBoef, after the Mayweather camp refused to consider fighting in Dallas.
Two days later, Dec. 12, Mayweather’s adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, disclosed the demand for random, Olympic-style drug testing conducted by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.
“This doesn’t bother me because Bob Arum was the smart one,” Arum said. “He pulled away from this negotiation how many weeks ago? Three weeks ago? I knew what was up. I’m not a fool. Then when Schaefer said he wasn’t going to Texas, and so forth, I knew the fight wasn’t going to happen. But I could be wrong and that’s why Todd made a college try.”
Arum said the Mayweather camp’s insistence on blood testing, rather than urine testing, merely was a way to get out of the fight.
“Floyd, to me, is a coward and he’s always been a coward,” Arum said. “Not a physical coward, but a coward because he’s afraid to face somebody who could beat him. And believe me, Manny Pacquiao could beat him. So he’ll go his way, we’ll go our way, and that’ll be fine.
“Manny Pacquiao doesn’t know anything about drugs. This is just typical nastiness by wise guys like (adviser Leonard) Ellerbe and Mayweather. They’re just wise guys. I don’t think Schaefer’s to blame. I think he got sucked in by it.”
Arum said when he learned of the demand for random blood tests, he immediately rejected it.
“Nevada has stringent drug testing, right before the fight and after the fight,” he said. “This is all a bunch of hooey and nonsense. The kind of testing we agreed to was designed, 100 percent, to detect everything.
“Remember, 40 years of fights in Las Vegas and nothing like this has ever come up. If you want more stringent testing, sure, as long as it doesn’t inconvenience and psychologically affect Pacquiao, sure, who cares? They could analyze urine from today until tomorrow, it wouldn’t affect anything. It’s the blood testing close to the fight, while he’s in training, that’s unnecessary. And everybody who knows anything about drug testing will tell you it’s unnecessary.”
Arum said HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg tried to intervene on the testing issue Tuesday, to no avail.
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He said he would pursue other possible opponents for Pacquiao, including Yuri Foreman, Paulie Malignaggi, or a third fight with Juan Manuel Marquez.
Malignaggi would be an interesting choice, if only because he has made clear his own suspicions about Pacquiao using performance-enhancing drugs.
Arum said he knows sports fans would be disappointed at the potential disintegration of what could have been the richest fight in history, and the most anticipated fight in decades.
“Sure they’ll be disappointed,” he said. “But they’ve got to understand what’s up. We’re not going to keep appeasing this guy, for no damn reason, especially over something that would affect, psychologically, my fighter. We’re not going to be pushed around by this guy. We’re not going to do it.”
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Is it me or does Pacquiao seem to be trying to get out of this fight?? 1st of all he asks for $10 million for every lbs Floyd is over 147 (which will be none) and now he is refusing the drugs test?? Maybe he is on steroids after all during training, my trainer tells me that nandrolone can be flushed out of your system in 24 hours so the only way to catch someone on that would be under an olympic style testing system and testing just before and after the fight would be worthless!
is nandrolone that easy to hide, i remember a few footballers getting caught on it, edgar davids being one... they argued it was naturally produced by their bodies which is true but only in tiny quantitys in the majority of healthy adults
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Why should Pacquiao comply? This is just another Mayweather ploy to play head games...Hell if he agrees to the overweight pricing then I am sure Freddie will talk Manny into taking the test....Floyd is scared and to say different is a Floyd nut hugger....
It is an insult to Pacquiao that he take a test for Floyds satisfaction...Yet Floyd won't agree to Manny's request? :rolleyes: Floyd always looking to stack the deck in his favor
The idea of Manny should just take the test to prove Floyd wrong is not a good reply...This will then become a common practice for other fighters making simular demands of opponents...
Hell Floyd is the one who left the sport....Manny stayed and fought on but now Manny should jump at what Floyd wants? Nah...
Yet Floyd knows he wants to come in overweight to make thing ever more in his favor....
Why doesn't Floyd agree to have his whole body tested for feces and prove he is not one big asshole?
Manny should nor any fighter have to take anything more then the mandatory test required by the commission or the other guy should have to succumb to the same test or at minimum one guy gives in to the others demands then vice versa
Fair is fair
Nuthugger stepping to the plate I guess... Or it should say anyone who disagrees with Daxx Khan is wrong:rolleyes:
Anyway, when was the last time Mayweather didnt make the 147 limit?? Enough said!!!!
The fact that Pac is the only guy in the history of boxing to storm through 7 weight classes in an era where PED and designer Roids are the rule rather than exception has raised red flags... I gotta tell you besides Lance Armstrong every other elite athlete who they have been suspicious of have most of the time have been connected to some kind of PED or the evidence has been so overwhelming you would have to be blind not to accept it...
I particularly think that the whole Floyd walked away and Manny kept fighting so Manny should ignore Floyd argument is as short sighted as I have ever heard since this came to fruition...
Where talking about 2 Hall Of Fame fighters who are the 2 best of this generation and hopefully about to engage in the most meanigful fight in the whole history of the sport... Floyd has every reason to be concerned about his legacy in the midst of all the rumors swirling around steroid or PED use..
If there is smoke than there is fire, should be nothing to hide here about blood testing, its not like they are going to take 2 quarts from Pac and weaken him like he is on Chemo or something... Not to mention Floyd is not asking Pac to do anything that he isint going to do either...
Reminds me of Sammy Sosa being accused of doing Roids by a reporter.... Sammy said all take a test now or anytime.. Reporter gets an independent lab lined up and all of a sudden Sosa is mumbling and jumbling without taking a test, and guess what he never failed a drug test either but he wont even snif the hall of fame like the rest of them....
Floyd scared nah, Floyd wants to make sure he is fighting an athlete who is natural at his craft like himself without any enhancements
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Just for those who hadn't seen, Arum has said the fight is off
Bob Arum Tells Floyd Mayweather, Schaefer: "Go To Hell!" - Boxing News
Apparently Floyd is scared despite agreeing to everything else put in front of him :rolleyes:
Arum is outraged that they're 'trying to bully this kid' & asks of Mayweather 'who is this ignorant, illiterate kid demanding this'.
Obvious things there are that Mayweather is the guy who gets in the ring with him not Arum & not us, so he can demand whatever he wants as long as he is willing to be put through the same process. Also Manny Pacquiao is a possibly ATG fighter, not some little kid who can't defend himself. But hey he's afraid of needles.
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EDIT: Read this from the head of the USADA who said that blood removed replaces itself within 1 hour. It's at the bottom of the page. Cue some Pac-fan trying to insinuate they're some kind of mafia :rolleyes:
Manny Pacquiao's blood test refusal puts Floyd Mayweather Jr fight at risk | Sport | guardian.co.uk
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Hate to say it but cheaters using any steroid or enhancements in this era do to the complexity and way they can be hidden have led led to a precedence of
Prove to us your not on roids.
Instead of the athlete saying prove that I'm on them.
This will absolute kill Manny in the court of public approval that he cant step up and take a few bloodtests while preparing for the highest caliber fight.. Manny is going down the same road the rest of the cheaters have taken when put in this situation
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rjj tszyu
Is it me or does Pacquiao seem to be trying to get out of this fight?? 1st of all he asks for $10 million for every lbs Floyd is over 147 (which will be none) and now he is refusing the drugs test?? Maybe he is on steroids after all during training, my trainer tells me that nandrolone can be flushed out of your system in 24 hours so the only way to catch someone on that would be under an olympic style testing system and testing just before and after the fight would be worthless!
is nandrolone that easy to hide, i remember a few footballers getting caught on it, edgar davids being one... they argued it was naturally produced by their bodies which is true but only in tiny quantitys in the majority of healthy adults
You right, I was given poor info (i'll have to slap him about now lol). It seems from the websites I have been on to take approx 21 days to be removed completely from the body. Sorry for the false info.
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If Manny is outright refusing to go along with the testing then that makes him look very suspicious. There is NO good reason to not agree going along with having the same tests that Floyd himself is willing to submit to. Floyd has laid it on the line and said "do this one thing" and Manny is stalling.
I've started a poll looking at whether people think Manny should submit to testing or not. I think he should and have a feeling that might be the way most are feeling (but I will wait and see on that), so for the Manny camp to outright refuse seems strange. People want this fight, seemingly Floyd wants it too...so why is Manny playing up?
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Mayweather NEEDS to sign a penalty contract in the case of making the weight as the Marquez fight showed he cannot be trusted.
Manny Pac NEEDS to adhere to all drug testing procedures. It's the right thing to do and a simple "I don't like blood tests" simply does not suffice as an acceptable excuse.
Good Post. I agree. Nothing wrong with drug tests.
Why is Mayweather requiring as a condition of the fight taking place that Pacquiao submit to drug tests when he did not require Marquez to take drug tests?
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Mayweather NEEDS to sign a penalty contract in the case of making the weight as the Marquez fight showed he cannot be trusted.
Manny Pac NEEDS to adhere to all drug testing procedures. It's the right thing to do and a simple "I don't like blood tests" simply does not suffice as an acceptable excuse.
Good Post. I agree. Nothing wrong with drug tests.
Why is Mayweather requiring as a condition of the fight taking place that Pacquiao submit to drug tests when he did not require Marquez to take drug tests?
That's an interesting question. Maybe because it's Pac that has been going up the weights blowing people away with such ease and Mayweather wants to make sure there are no issues at play. Marquez looked to be up to his limits at 135, but it was his sheer will that got him through. Pac has been blowing through opponents like the wind through leaves. It is impressive, but it leaves you thinking "how does he keep on going up and doing it ever more impressively?". I understand Mayweather wanting to get Pac checked out, and if Manny has nothing to hide, then you would think he would have no issues complying. It's for a mammoth payday and the extra effort involved is really quite minimal.
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If Manny is outright refusing to go along with the testing then that makes him look very suspicious. There is NO good reason to not agree going along with having the same tests that Floyd himself is willing to submit to. Floyd has laid it on the line and said "do this one thing" and Manny is stalling.
I've started a poll looking at whether people think Manny should submit to testing or not. I think he should and have a feeling that might be the way most are feeling (but I will wait and see on that), so for the Manny camp to outright refuse seems strange. People want this fight, seemingly Floyd wants it too...so why is Manny playing up?
Manny is from a third-world part of the Philipines; he probably is superstitious when it comes to drug tests. I know many people faint after taking blood tests and it could easily ruin an afternoon of training. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't conclude Manny is doping because he refuses to take a drug test. However, this fight is too big to let it fall apart because of random drug tests either way. And let's be real here, Manny has to hit Floyd to make the steroids helpful anyway, which he won't do.
If I were Manny's people in order to make the fight happen and assuming Manny really has a legit problem with blood tests, I would negotiate the maximum number of blood tests permitted in a certain period of time, allow them to be at random though, and leave the number of urine tests open.
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Will anyone with an actual understanding of the subject explain how blood tests are more accurate than urine tests for detecting steroids? Also, do blood tests up until thirty days before the fight and urine tests from that point going forward make detection of steroids less likely than blood tests all the way through to the fight? Is the difference negligible?
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miles
If Manny is outright refusing to go along with the testing then that makes him look very suspicious. There is NO good reason to not agree going along with having the same tests that Floyd himself is willing to submit to. Floyd has laid it on the line and said "do this one thing" and Manny is stalling.
I've started a poll looking at whether people think Manny should submit to testing or not. I think he should and have a feeling that might be the way most are feeling (but I will wait and see on that), so for the Manny camp to outright refuse seems strange. People want this fight, seemingly Floyd wants it too...so why is Manny playing up?
Manny is from a third-world part of the Philipines; he probably is superstitious when it comes to drug tests. I know many people faint after taking blood tests and it could easily ruin an afternoon of training. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't conclude Manny is doping because he refuses to take a drug test. However, this fight is too big to let it fall apart because of random drug tests either way. And let's be real here, Manny has to hit Floyd to make the steroids helpful anyway, which he won't do.
If I were Manny's people in order to make the fight happen and assuming Manny really has a legit problem with blood tests, I would negotiate the maximum number of blood tests permitted in a certain period of time, allow them to be at random though, and leave the number of urine tests open.
I'm still not persuaded either way. The Pac camp are notoriously difficult to deal with, so I still think it best to let things wait a day or two to see what happens. It would be nice to actually hear Manny's opinion about all of this instead of Arums. It would be nuts to let the fight slip away at this stage though and a shame for everyone.
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rjj tszyu
Is it me or does Pacquiao seem to be trying to get out of this fight?? 1st of all he asks for $10 million for every lbs Floyd is over 147 (which will be none) and now he is refusing the drugs test?? Maybe he is on steroids after all during training, my trainer tells me that nandrolone can be flushed out of your system in 24 hours so the only way to catch someone on that would be under an olympic style testing system and testing just before and after the fight would be worthless!
is nandrolone that easy to hide, i remember a few footballers getting caught on it, edgar davids being one... they argued it was naturally produced by their bodies which is true but only in tiny quantitys in the majority of healthy adults
You right, I was given poor info (i'll have to slap him about now lol). It seems from the websites I have been on to take approx 21 days to be removed completely from the body. Sorry for the false info.
no worries, that shows one of the problems with any alegations regarding PED's .. there is so much contrasting info around and you have people believe that any steroid is a one way ticket to being the size of the hulk .... which just isnt the case
