Re: Could ODLH have beaten PBF?
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IMO i thought Oscar had won there first fight but as i am a fan of his maybe i was a bit bias :rolleyes:, so i was just thinking about the fight and wondering if the Oscar that had just beaten Vargas could have beaten Floyd because even thought there fight came late in Oscar's career he still really gave Floyd a run for his money! So what could a younger Oscar beat him?....................YES! lol your thoughts?
Hey Mattboxingfan...I thought Oscar did enough to win and definitely enough for a draw. No doubt Floyd is a fabulous boxer and great counterpuncher but he didn't do enough to make himself the clear winner.
Prime Oscar or Prime Mosley kick Floyd's ass quite easily. Even in the early rounds Oscar did some damage with an "old " Oscar jab. An OLD jab, his beautiful stiff jab would cut up Floyd IF he would be in his prime. The old oscar STOPPED throwing the jab...still pissed about this one!!! But I understand, he was much older. During the last 10 seconds of the fight Oscar landed a nice left hook but Floyd took it well since he knew it was coming. The young Oscar would throw a bunch of jabs throughout the whole fight.
Though Floyd is super fast with his hands, he doesn't have the very ackward/unpredictable body movement Whitaker had...he gave Oscar lots of problems.
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All i can add to this is Oscar fought Chavez, Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad and Mosley all within 3 years. I don't see that level of competition on PBF's resume at 147lb.
I should add that he beat Trinidad (though not according to the judges ), beat Mosley on the 2nd fight ( still close though ), went to war with quartey and fought a beautiful 12th round, got passed a hall of famer (Whitaker).
Floyd??? He barely got passed an old Oscar...barely. He beat Hatton who was terrible in that fight ( the guy had no head movement whatsoever!!...even worse with Pacquiao ). Beat a very bloated and slow Marquez ( sure Marquez' fault for taking this lame fight )...need I also remind you of him not showing up at the agreed weight??? And he's the pound for pound best???? Hahahaha
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Oscar in his absolute prime was brilliant and is one of my favourite fighters, but Floyd Mayweather has a knack of figuring fights out as they go on and Oscar's biggest fault is that he seemed to have slight stamina issues. To me I think that Oscar would always have had a chance with Mayweather but Floyd would always be favourite for me.
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All i can add to this is Oscar fought Chavez, Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad and Mosley all within 3 years. I don't see that level of competition on PBF's resume at 147lb.
I should add that he beat Trinidad (though not according to the judges ), beat Mosley on the 2nd fight ( still close though ), went to war with quartey and fought a beautiful 12th round, got passed a hall of famer (Whitaker).
Floyd??? He barely got passed an old Oscar...barely. He beat Hatton who was terrible in that fight ( the guy had no head movement whatsoever!!...even worse with Pacquiao ). Beat a very bloated and slow Marquez ( sure Marquez' fault for taking this lame fight )...need I also remind you of him not showing up at the agreed weight??? And he's the pound for pound best???? Hahahaha
well if you want to go off how the judges SHOULD have scored DLH's fights rather than how they actually did we can add a loss against sturm and a loss against whitaker ... fair ?
Re: Could ODLH have beaten PBF?
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mattboxingfan
IMO i thought Oscar had won there first fight but as i am a fan of his maybe i was a bit bias :rolleyes:, so i was just thinking about the fight and wondering if the Oscar that had just beaten Vargas could have beaten Floyd because even thought there fight came late in Oscar's career he still really gave Floyd a run for his money! So what could a younger Oscar beat him?....................YES! lol your thoughts?
In my opinion, no. Oscar may have been past his prime when they fought, but he was still good. Floyd had to concede everything to Oscar to get this fight made. Oscar's gloves, Oscar's ring and Oscar's weight. If they fought prime for prime it would have been at a weight class Floyd had been active in and Oscar would have been outthunk and outfought.
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ODH prime at 154lb, the time he beat Vargas beats Floyd, the one that fought Floyd was all but finished.
At 147lb it would be closer and I would favour ODH but if Shane could beat him then Floyd could have too.
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On there best nights Oscar beats Floyd.
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THE THIRD MAN
All i can add to this is Oscar fought Chavez, Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad and Mosley all within 3 years. I don't see that level of competition on PBF's resume at 147lb.
I should add that he beat Trinidad (though not according to the judges ), beat Mosley on the 2nd fight ( still close though ), went to war with quartey and fought a beautiful 12th round, got passed a hall of famer (Whitaker).
Floyd??? He barely got passed an old Oscar...barely. He beat Hatton who was terrible in that fight ( the guy had no head movement whatsoever!!...even worse with Pacquiao ). Beat a very bloated and slow Marquez ( sure Marquez' fault for taking this lame fight )...need I also remind you of him not showing up at the agreed weight??? And he's the pound for pound best???? Hahahaha
well if you want to go off how the judges SHOULD have scored DLH's fights rather than how they actually did we can add a loss against sturm and a loss against whitaker ... fair ?
Not fair...I thought he beat Whitaker, Sturm beat him though.
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On there best nights Oscar beats Floyd.
Agreed...Same with Mosley. Heck Gayweather is scared to fight an old Mosley!!!
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No, he couldn't. He wasn't able to win with all the advantages, I think if it was a more even playing field he would have got beaten more decisively on the cards.
His best night was versus Vargas, but Mayweather is never a LMW, if they were to have a fight at their primes at any weight below & including 147, Mayweather would win. Oscar's stamina always let him down against better-conditioned fighters & he always struggled with counter-punchers for me. If an old Whitaker could keep the fight close with a prime him, a prime Mayweather does the same but better.
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I should add that he beat Trinidad (though not according to the judges ), beat Mosley on the 2nd fight ( still close though ), went to war with quartey and fought a beautiful 12th round, got passed a hall of famer (Whitaker).
Floyd??? He barely got passed an old Oscar...barely. He beat Hatton who was terrible in that fight ( the guy had no head movement whatsoever!!...even worse with Pacquiao ). Beat a very bloated and slow Marquez ( sure Marquez' fault for taking this lame fight )...need I also remind you of him not showing up at the agreed weight??? And he's the pound for pound best???? Hahahaha
well if you want to go off how the judges SHOULD have scored DLH's fights rather than how they actually did we can add a loss against sturm and a loss against whitaker ... fair ?
Not fair...I thought he beat Whitaker, Sturm beat him though.
i also thought trinidad beat him also mosley deserved the 2nd fight, so it works both ways
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Jman76
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hitmanhatton
well if you want to go off how the judges SHOULD have scored DLH's fights rather than how they actually did we can add a loss against sturm and a loss against whitaker ... fair ?
Not fair...I thought he beat Whitaker, Sturm beat him though.
i also thought trinidad beat him also mosley deserved the 2nd fight, so it works both ways
no way in hell did Tito beat DLH, 8 rnds to 4 for Oscar in that fight, and more or less the same in the Mosley rematch, IMO those were two clear cut wins for him, but i had Sturm beating DLH by 115-113, it just kinda seems like you're grabbing a bit out of dislike for the guy
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Regarding ODLH's controversial decisions.
ODLH vs John John Molina = ODLH won that because John John Molina, fought like a joker, he kept hugging and hugging it was ridiculous. Plus ODLH had a great last round and a knockdown earlier.
ODLH vs Pernell Whitaker = Pernell Whitaker won this no doubt in my mind, yes it was a close fight but i still have no doubt who the winner was. People say well ODLH was the aggressor and ETC, but he constantly missed all his big power punches. And Pernell Whitaker constantly landed good jabs, and outlanded ODLH overall. Plus Pernell Whitaker should of been credited with his excellent defensive work.
ODLH vs Ike Quartey = I don't care what anyone says about the last round, what about the other 7 rounds ? Ike Quartey outjabbed ODLH, and won the classic knockdown round in the 6th round, this was a pretty easy fight to score and Ike Quartey won by 1 point no question IMO, even with the last round ODLH was still 3 points down going into the last round.
ODLH vs Felix Trinidad = Not as controversial as i first thought, when i rewatched it a few times last year. The last time i watched it i had it 6-6. ODLH won atleast 6 rounds of the first 9 rounds, but he clearly lost the last 3 rounds, he also didn't win every single of those first 9 rounds either, losing atleast 3 of them making it a close fight.
ODLH vs Shane Mosley 2 = Can't really remember much about this fight, haven't seen it in ages. But i remember clearly thinking ODLH won the fight by atleast a couple of rounds.
ODLH vs Felix Sturm = Felix Sturm was the clear winner no question, he constantly landed accurate effective jabs, and ODLH couldn't get off and looked sloppy throwing wild combos that mostly wern't effective, ODLH lost by atleast 3 rounds IMO.
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Jman76
Not fair...I thought he beat Whitaker, Sturm beat him though.
i also thought trinidad beat him also mosley deserved the 2nd fight, so it works both ways
no way in hell did Tito beat DLH, 8 rnds to 4 for Oscar in that fight, and more or less the same in the Mosley rematch, IMO those were two clear cut wins for him, but i had Sturm beating DLH by 115-113, it just kinda seems like you're grabbing a bit out of dislike for the guy
well the judges seemed to agree with me, lets not forget even the third judge had it as a draw
he threw the fight away simple as that and i consider myself a DLH fan
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hitmanhatton
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ElTerribleMorales
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hitmanhatton
i also thought trinidad beat him also mosley deserved the 2nd fight, so it works both ways
no way in hell did Tito beat DLH, 8 rnds to 4 for Oscar in that fight, and more or less the same in the Mosley rematch, IMO those were two clear cut wins for him, but i had Sturm beating DLH by 115-113, it just kinda seems like you're grabbing a bit out of dislike for the guy
well the judges seemed to agree with me, lets not forget even the third judge had it as a draw
he threw the fight away simple as that and i consider myself a DLH fan
one of the judges also gave Trinidad 4 of the first 5 rounds, then gave Oscar the 11th (a round that he didn't throw a single punch) to try and even it up cause he had put Trinidad so far ahead
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hitmanhatton
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ElTerribleMorales
no way in hell did Tito beat DLH, 8 rnds to 4 for Oscar in that fight, and more or less the same in the Mosley rematch, IMO those were two clear cut wins for him, but i had Sturm beating DLH by 115-113, it just kinda seems like you're grabbing a bit out of dislike for the guy
well the judges seemed to agree with me, lets not forget even the third judge had it as a draw
he threw the fight away simple as that and i consider myself a DLH fan
one of the judges also gave Trinidad 4 of the first 5 rounds, then gave Oscar the 11th (a round that he didn't throw a single punch) to try and even it up cause he had put Trinidad so far ahead
thats one judge the other two are independent from him you know ..
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hitmanhatton
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ElTerribleMorales
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hitmanhatton
well the judges seemed to agree with me, lets not forget even the third judge had it as a draw
he threw the fight away simple as that and i consider myself a DLH fan
one of the judges also gave Trinidad 4 of the first 5 rounds, then gave Oscar the 11th (a round that he didn't throw a single punch) to try and even it up cause he had put Trinidad so far ahead
thats one judge the other two are independent from him you know ..
and it also takes more than one judge to come up with a bad decision, something DLH/Trinidad was
