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Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off
i don't think Pac has taken anabolic steroids. I suspect he may've been taking EPO or blood doping.
that's why the random tests are throwing him off. The 30/24-day proposal is a fucking joke. That's such a big loophole that any PED cheat would get through it.
Within 24 hours? Also useless.
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Some people are seriously arguing that Pac could be weakened by a blood test? Please someone tell me it's a wind up :vd:
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Conrad
Just playing Devil's Advocate here but people are forgetting one thing, the FACTS!!
Manny has never failed a drug test! They have absolutely no proof that he's ever used anything, it's just a theory thought up by Mayeather Sr. Pac is obiding by the rules set out by NSAC and them some.
Forget what you'd do if you was Manny, forget how it looks or what reasoning you have for taking the tests. Forget what happened with Mosley. Manny hasn't done anything wrong, he is obiding by the same rules as every other single boxing match in history!
Innocent until proven guilty! And besides, the fight may still happen at a later date...
;D
I think its the excuses that the manny camp have come up with eg scared of needles but he has tattoos. That why pac is getting alot of stick it seems to be excuse after excuse at least Mayweather has always stuck to his guns.
Anyway Freddie Roach will be happy that the fight hasnt happened he was the one that said the march date was to early at the start of all this!
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Fenster
Some people are seriously arguing that Pac could be weakened by a blood test? Please someone tell me it's a wind up :vd:
Put yourself in Pacquiao's shoes............no wait don't do that.
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josef4334
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miles
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i see where you're coming from. and i do agree about manny and the question marks next to his name because of certain allegations from a convicted drug dealer. but lets put ourselves in mannys shoes here for a moment. if you had a history of being outsmarted in a fight negotiation. for example, he was outhussled in the negotiations during the first morales fight by his own promoter. he was forced to use winning gloves instead of reyes, his blood was drawn two days before the fight and he believed that weakened him. the same pattern of negotiating floyd used. wanting to fight at 154, 10 oz gloves and random blood testing. well only the random blood testing worked against pacquiao.
There is no denying that Mayweather is a dick. He has always been a dick and that is why I don't like him, but it's a shame that Manny has turned out to be a bit of a dick too. Mayweather might be a ducker, but he's never going to have the stigma of drug abuse hanging over him.
At the end of the day Mayweathers demand is one that many professional athletes have to go through, so to turn down 40million big ones over a needle is just crazy. The fight was there to be made and the best Manny can do is to suggest a blood test 24 days before the fight. That is ridiculous, does he really need 3 weeks plus to get over a blood test and get himself in the zone? It's such a crock of shit and just makes him look like he is hiding something.
i know 40 million is a HUGE amount of money and could be the biggest to be made in a fight but you guys forgot where manny came from. he came from absolutely nothing so i think money is not the issue here. and ok. 24 days before the fight is a bit weak but how about right after the fight? everybody keeps on overlooking that fact.
you dont think PEDS would be detected right after the fight?
no they wont be using come fight week, there is no point, PED's are mainly used in the buildup to the fight for training purposes, and cycled out by fight night, the tests need to be random, even if say give a window of a week before the fight when no tests will be done
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hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
josef4334
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Originally Posted by
miles
There is no denying that Mayweather is a dick. He has always been a dick and that is why I don't like him, but it's a shame that Manny has turned out to be a bit of a dick too. Mayweather might be a ducker, but he's never going to have the stigma of drug abuse hanging over him.
At the end of the day Mayweathers demand is one that many professional athletes have to go through, so to turn down 40million big ones over a needle is just crazy. The fight was there to be made and the best Manny can do is to suggest a blood test 24 days before the fight. That is ridiculous, does he really need 3 weeks plus to get over a blood test and get himself in the zone? It's such a crock of shit and just makes him look like he is hiding something.
i know 40 million is a HUGE amount of money and could be the biggest to be made in a fight but you guys forgot where manny came from. he came from absolutely nothing so i think money is not the issue here. and ok. 24 days before the fight is a bit weak but how about right after the fight? everybody keeps on overlooking that fact.
you dont think PEDS would be detected right after the fight?
no they wont be using come fight week, there is no point, PED's are mainly used in the buildup to the fight for training purposes, and cycled out by fight night, the tests need to be random, even if say give a window of a week before the fight when no tests will be done
To add to that, what's the point of testing after the fight only anyway? If the purpose of this is to prevent someone that is dirty from using PEDs in a fight why would you wait until AFTER the fight to find out? The whole point is to prevent someone that is using PEDs from getting in the ring.
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If the Mayweathers wanted this fight, as they are leading the public to believe, then they should have just raised the steroids issue "after" the fight and not before the fight. Just so that the fight happens.
Vargas looked juiced up, but De La Hoya still beat the living daylights out of him anyways.
Win or lose, for the fight to happen is money in the bank. As "moneymay" ya would think, would have it... eh?
Win, could have been tooo much heaven. Lose, gives them a built-in easy out... the 'roid card.
But nooooo! Nothin' should threaten the "0".
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KananKrus
If the Mayweathers wanted this fight, as they are leading the public to believe, then they should have just raised the steroids issue "after" the fight and not before the fight. Just so that the fight happens.
Vargas looked juiced up, but De La Hoya still beat the living daylights out of him anyways.
Win or lose, for the fight to happen is money in the bank. As "moneymay" ya would think, would have it... eh?
Win, could have been tooo much heaven. Lose, gives them a built-in easy out... the 'roid card.
But nooooo! Nothin' should threaten the "0".
what ? are you being serious, how are they going to prove anything after the fight ??? the whole point is to make sure pac isnt on anything for the fight, not to try and use it as an excuse afterwards
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Mayweather didnt agree to the following so who really is to blame?
Im sorry but for me shows Mayweather doesnt want to fight Pac.
1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)
how could any sane boxer cheat with this?
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skel1983
Mayweather didnt agree to the following so who really is to blame?
Im sorry but for me shows Mayweather doesnt want to fight Pac.
1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)
how could any sane boxer cheat with this?
missing the point big time here
all those blood tests listed , before th conference, 24 days before etc arent random much has been made and posted of the fact that a pre planned test can be easilly decieved, as for after the fight, once again, the ped's will have been taken for training purposes not right before the fight,
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skel1983
Mayweather didnt agree to the following so who really is to blame?
Im sorry but for me shows Mayweather doesnt want to fight Pac.
1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)
how could any sane boxer cheat with this?
Thats funny I read the same specialists that you are referring to say that its a joke to have scheduled blood tests, that you could certainly cycle around them... Besides Mayweather is willing to go through the same tests so I think your point loses its validity...
Not to mention teenage gymnasts and ice skaters random blood test and they wont even make a fraction of what Pussiauo will make for this fight.
So emotional hormonal teenage Hannah Montana and twilight watching girls are willing to submit random blood tests. But the supposed PFP#1 in one of the most brutal combat sports in the world with a whole country on his back and potential 40 million dollars in his pocket and HE WONT FUCKIN DO IT? Anyone who dosent think thats absurd is an absolute fuckin nutter.. The guy is hiding something!!!!
I watched Major League Ball Players pull this same shiit for years until they got caught and the ones who didnt get caught or proven guilty wont even sniff the Hall Of Fame either. It's all Bullshit 24 days? GET REAL!!, he didnt move shit at all, at least counter with 10 days or something. Yet you blame Mayweather because he didnt move:rolleyes:
In the bigger picture random blood testing and some kind of organized union is the best damn thing that can happen to the sport so it weeds cheaters out and removes the corruptness that we complain about after every damn high profile fight... Again if Pac had to do it alone thats one thing but he he has tattoos and the rest of his half baked excuses are exactly that, the little shit will lose more blood in the 1st three rounds of the fight than he would from a blood test a day or 2 before
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hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Mayweather didnt agree to the following so who really is to blame?
Im sorry but for me shows Mayweather doesnt want to fight Pac.
1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)
how could any sane boxer cheat with this?
missing the point big time here
all those blood tests listed , before th conference, 24 days before etc arent random much has been made and posted of the fact that a pre planned test can be easilly decieved, as for after the fight, once again, the ped's will have been taken for training purposes not right before the fight,
That really is a tiny tiny window for manny to cheat during his training and then he gets tested too after the fight
The whole world is watching him and the flomos will be very vigilant. do you really think manny will attempt to be even go near anything illegal?
If i was floyd and i really really want to fight manny, and i already told the whole world prior that i can beat him roids or no roids, i should have at least compromised a little like manny already did (all the blood test weren't NSAC ruling after all)
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skel1983
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Mayweather didnt agree to the following so who really is to blame?
Im sorry but for me shows Mayweather doesnt want to fight Pac.
1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)
how could any sane boxer cheat with this?
missing the point big time here
all those blood tests listed , before th conference, 24 days before etc arent random much has been made and posted of the fact that a pre planned test can be easilly decieved, as for after the fight, once again, the ped's will have been taken for training purposes not right before the fight,
That really is a tiny tiny window for manny to cheat during his training and then he gets tested too after the fight
The whole world is watching him and the flomos will be very vigilant. do you really think manny will attempt to be even go near anything illegal?
If i was floyd and i really really want to fight manny, and i already told the whole world prior that i can beat him roids or no roids, i should have at least compromised a little like manny already did (all the blood test weren't NSAC ruling after all)
The NSAC drug screens are the MINIMUM though just as 147 is the MAXIMUM weight for welterweight, but if the fighters agree to a catchweight of 145 it is STILL a welterweight fight. Additional random blood tests are STILL legit through the NSAC. I make this comparison because this has somehow become a policy debate. EPO is undetectable in urine if taken in small doses everyday but is only detectable in the blood for about 48 hours. So if there are essentially 2, 24 day windows, either fighter could potentially have 44 days of EPO use in their training and pass all the predefined blood tests and random urine tests.
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JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Mayweather didnt agree to the following so who really is to blame?
Im sorry but for me shows Mayweather doesnt want to fight Pac.
1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)
how could any sane boxer cheat with this?
Thats funny I read the same specialists that you are referring to say that its a joke to have scheduled blood tests, that you could certainly cycle around them... Besides Mayweather is willing to go through the same tests so I think your point loses its validity...
Not to mention teenage gymnasts and ice skaters random blood test and they wont even make a fraction of what Pussiauo will make for this fight.
So emotional hormonal teenage Hannah Montana and twilight watching girls are willing to submit random blood tests. But the supposed PFP#1 in one of the most brutal combat sports in the world with a whole country on his back and potential
40 million dollars in his pocket and HE WONT FUCKIN DO IT? Anyone who dosent think thats absurd is an absolute fuckin nutter.. The guy is hiding something!!!!
I watched Major League Ball Players pull this same shiit for years until they got caught and the ones who didnt get caught or proven guilty wont even sniff the Hall Of Fame either.
It's all Bullshit 24 days? GET REAL!!, he didnt move shit at all, at least counter with 10 days or something. Yet you blame Mayweather because he didnt move:rolleyes:
In the bigger picture random blood testing and some kind of organized union is the best damn thing that can happen to the sport so it weeds cheaters out and removes the corruptness that we complain about after every damn high profile fight... Again if Pac had to do it alone thats one thing but he he has tattoos and the rest of his half baked excuses are exactly that, the little shit will lose more blood in the 1st three rounds of the fight than he would from a blood test a day or 2 before
40 million dollars. ok.. its a HUGE amount. but you are confusing manny for money. 40 million dollars cannot buy dignity my friend. you forgot that manny came from having nothing.
and 10 days? didnt you read what mayweather wanted? he wanted random testing. even if manny said that 5 days before the fight cut off floyd would still say no.
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Mayweather didnt agree to the following so who really is to blame?
Im sorry but for me shows Mayweather doesnt want to fight Pac.
1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)
how could any sane boxer cheat with this?
I don't know if it is true, but people all over the internet are saying that there are special steroids that can be out of the system in a few hours like 16-18 hours. Of course I haven't read any scientific journal that acknowleges this claim.
But if it is true that there are special PEDs that can be out of the system in a few hours, wouldn't it make sense that random blood testing even up to the fight is needed?
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generalbulldog
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Mayweather didnt agree to the following so who really is to blame?
Im sorry but for me shows Mayweather doesnt want to fight Pac.
1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)
how could any sane boxer cheat with this?
I don't know if it is true, but people all over the internet are saying that there are special steroids that can be out of the system in a few hours like 16-18 hours. Of course I haven't read any scientific journal that acknowleges this claim.
But if it is true that there are special PEDs that can be out of the system in a few hours, wouldn't it make sense that random blood testing even up to the fight is needed?
supposedly certain drugs such as IGF-1 can only be detected by muscle biopsy :-X so its certainly possible
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Originally Posted by
josef4334
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Mayweather didnt agree to the following so who really is to blame?
Im sorry but for me shows Mayweather doesnt want to fight Pac.
1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)
how could any sane boxer cheat with this?
Thats funny I read the same specialists that you are referring to say that its a joke to have scheduled blood tests, that you could certainly cycle around them... Besides Mayweather is willing to go through the same tests so I think your point loses its validity...
Not to mention teenage gymnasts and ice skaters random blood test and they wont even make a fraction of what Pussiauo will make for this fight.
So emotional hormonal teenage Hannah Montana and twilight watching girls are willing to submit random blood tests. But the supposed PFP#1 in one of the most brutal combat sports in the world with a whole country on his back and potential
40 million dollars in his pocket and HE WONT FUCKIN DO IT? Anyone who dosent think thats absurd is an absolute fuckin nutter.. The guy is hiding something!!!!
I watched Major League Ball Players pull this same shiit for years until they got caught and the ones who didnt get caught or proven guilty wont even sniff the Hall Of Fame either.
It's all Bullshit 24 days? GET REAL!!, he didnt move shit at all, at least counter with 10 days or something. Yet you blame Mayweather because he didnt move:rolleyes:
In the bigger picture random blood testing and some kind of organized union is the best damn thing that can happen to the sport so it weeds cheaters out and removes the corruptness that we complain about after every damn high profile fight... Again if Pac had to do it alone thats one thing but he he has tattoos and the rest of his half baked excuses are exactly that, the little shit will lose more blood in the 1st three rounds of the fight than he would from a blood test a day or 2 before
40 million dollars. ok.. its a HUGE amount. but you are confusing manny for money. 40 million dollars cannot buy dignity my friend. you forgot that manny came from having nothing.
and 10 days? didnt you read what mayweather wanted? he wanted random testing. even if manny said that 5 days before the fight cut off floyd would still say no.
I work in sales my friend, with that being said: During the negotiating the goal is to make concessions on each part until there is reasonable compromise and both sides feel like they are getting a good deal, with that there is movement on both sides of course.. Manny at mediation didnt waver from his stance wouldnt counter with anything and stuck to 24 days, Floyd said no...My point is Manny wasnt even being reasonable or receptive to anything other than scheduled blood work... That tells me he is hiding something again Floyd was willing to submit to the same criteria.. Tell me again how this is Floyds fault?
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This is about the fourth time Arum has said the fight is off. GBP are saying there's still a negotiation window, or they're negotiating still, I forget. I haven't read the thread yet but I will later. Not looking promising though.
EDIT: it isn't off till one of them signs a contract for another fight. The only promotion the fight needs in 24/7, there's no problem with this ticking over another week or so before any announcement.
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This may already have been pointed out but it only occured to me today.
If Pac really has been juicing all this time why not just take the random tests but not do the PEDs? Sure he wont have the power or whatever but his reputation remains intact and he's $40m better off. Admittidly PBF becomes an ATG at Pac's expense but none of this bullshit ever happened...
Surelly if Pac has been cheating he'd realise this and just takes the damn tests. unless of course he's been clean all along and genuinely does believe the tests weaken him?
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KananKrus
If the Mayweathers wanted this fight, as they are leading the public to believe, then they should have just raised the steroids issue "after" the fight and not before the fight. Just so that the fight happens."
That is absolutely rediculous. If you believe someone is cheating in a way that could possibly cause you serious bodily harm, why would you wait until AFTER they've done it to complain about it? What good did it do Billy Smith to bring up the "doctored gloves" issue AFTER he took a 10 round beating and was never able to fight again?
Hypothetically speaking, if Floyd took the fight, and was beaten by a roiding Pacquiao, any talk of a "steroid issue" would be looked at as the mandatory "face saving excuses" that nearly all fighters bring up after a stinging loss. People would say "well if he fear Pac was juicing, why didn't he bring it up BEFORE the fight?"
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This is incredible, though. I never bothered to follow all the mediation and back-and-forth between the camps, because there was never a doubt in my mind that the fight would happen. Too much money at stake. Now we have two ATG's, p4p, in their prime, who are here to fight but won't because of some stupid drug-testing issue.
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JT Rock
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josef4334
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
Thats funny I read the same specialists that you are referring to say that its a joke to have scheduled blood tests, that you could certainly cycle around them... Besides Mayweather is willing to go through the same tests so I think your point loses its validity...
Not to mention teenage gymnasts and ice skaters random blood test and they wont even make a fraction of what Pussiauo will make for this fight.
So emotional hormonal teenage Hannah Montana and twilight watching girls are willing to submit random blood tests. But the supposed PFP#1 in one of the most brutal combat sports in the world with a whole country on his back and potential 40 million dollars in his pocket and HE WONT FUCKIN DO IT? Anyone who dosent think thats absurd is an absolute fuckin nutter.. The guy is hiding something!!!!
I watched Major League Ball Players pull this same shiit for years until they got caught and the ones who didnt get caught or proven guilty wont even sniff the Hall Of Fame either. It's all Bullshit 24 days? GET REAL!!, he didnt move shit at all, at least counter with 10 days or something. Yet you blame Mayweather because he didnt move:rolleyes:
In the bigger picture random blood testing and some kind of organized union is the best damn thing that can happen to the sport so it weeds cheaters out and removes the corruptness that we complain about after every damn high profile fight... Again if Pac had to do it alone thats one thing but he he has tattoos and the rest of his half baked excuses are exactly that, the little shit will lose more blood in the 1st three rounds of the fight than he would from a blood test a day or 2 before
40 million dollars. ok.. its a HUGE amount. but you are confusing manny for money. 40 million dollars cannot buy dignity my friend. you forgot that manny came from having nothing.
and 10 days? didnt you read what mayweather wanted? he wanted random testing. even if manny said that 5 days before the fight cut off floyd would still say no
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I work in sales my friend, with that being said: During the negotiating the goal is to make concessions on each part until there is reasonable compromise and both sides feel like they are getting a good deal, with that there is movement on both sides of course.. Manny at mediation didnt waver from his stance wouldnt counter with anything and stuck to 24 days, Floyd said no...My point is Manny wasnt even being reasonable or receptive to anything other than scheduled blood work... That tells me he is hiding something again Floyd was willing to submit to the same criteria.. Tell me again how this is Floyds fault?
thats good that you work for sales. just like when somebody bargains with you and you dont like the deal? do you say no right away or you keep bargaining till you reach a middle ground? all this time floyd wanted random testing. floyd didnt even bargain at all.. he just said NO upfront. he could have told manny "how about 10 days before the fight?" and maybe manny could have said yes or no.. but thats another arguement.
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Kirkland Laing
This is about the fourth time Arum has said the fight is off. GBP are saying there's still a negotiation window, or they're negotiating still, I forget. I haven't read the thread yet but I will later. Not looking promising though.
EDIT: it isn't off till one of them signs a contract for another fight. The only promotion the fight needs in 24/7, there's no problem with this ticking over another week or so before any announcement.
i totally agree. how many times have we heard this fight not coming off so far?
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josef4334
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
josef4334
40 million dollars. ok.. its a HUGE amount. but you are confusing manny for money. 40 million dollars cannot buy dignity my friend. you forgot that manny came from having nothing.
and 10 days? didnt you read what mayweather wanted? he wanted random testing. even if manny said that 5 days before the fight cut off floyd would still say no.
I work in sales my friend, with that being said: During the negotiating the goal is to make concessions on each part until there is reasonable compromise and both sides feel like they are getting a good deal, with that there is movement on both sides of course.. Manny at mediation didnt waver from his stance wouldnt counter with anything and stuck to 24 days, Floyd said no...My point is Manny wasnt even being reasonable or receptive to anything other than scheduled blood work... That tells me he is hiding something again Floyd was willing to submit to the same criteria.. Tell me again how this is Floyds fault?
thats good that you work for sales. just like when somebody bargains with you and you dont like the deal? do you say no right away or you keep bargaining till you reach a middle ground? all this time floyd wanted random testing. floyd didnt even bargain at all.. he just said NO upfront. he could have told manny "how about 10 days before the fight?" and maybe manny could have said yes or no.. but thats another arguement.
I agree wth that in a sense. It was clear that Mayweather wanted random testing and Pacquiao wanted scheduled testing for whatever reason, but we could have a fight if Mayweather said "How about random testing up until a week before the fight?" That might have been more acceptable. I still don't see any reason why Pacquiao didn't agree in the first place, but its disappointing that it looks like they can't work out a compromise on what is such a trivial issue. Until both sides have said its off i'll still remain hopeful that something might happen, but its beginning to look unlikely.
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Conrad
This may already have been pointed out but it only occured to me today.
If Pac really has been juicing all this time why not just take the random tests but not do the PEDs? Sure he wont have the power or whatever but his reputation remains intact and he's $40m better off. Admittidly PBF becomes an ATG at Pac's expense but none of this bullshit ever happened...
Surelly if Pac has been cheating he'd realise this and just takes the damn tests. unless of course he's been clean all along and genuinely does believe the tests weaken him?
i guess a suddent drop in power, speed or whatever would be as good a positive test in a lot of peoples eyes and would damage his reputation anyway
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I have already sensed from the day this fight was negotiated that there will be problems in both sides.
I honestly believe that Mayweather is afraid of Pac ( just as he was afraid of Cotto and Margarito) so this fight may not happen.
I never thought that a simple drug test would be an issue for this fight to be called off.
Pac's camp should have offered a closer day for the random testing like 7 days before the fight. They could have rightfully blamed Mayweather for putting this fight off. Seven days would not be enough for pac to cheat if he is really juicing. Seven days would also give Pac enough time to recover from the blood letting. It's either Pac is really juicing or he's too proud (and too stupid) not to accept Gayweather's demand. Damn your pride Pac!
Anyway, we won't really know who's to blame as Mayweather immediately shut off any door for negotiation when he didn't budge with his demand to do the random testing ( even minutes before the fight!!!).
If Mayweather was really interested, he could have offered a closer day for random test. But no, Golden Boy even could not convinced him to make a concession.
Whew. This fight is making me insane.:-X
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Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
I have already sensed from the day this fight was negotiated that there will be problems in both sides.
I honestly believe that Mayweather is afraid of Pac ( just as he was afraid of Cotto and Margarito) so this fight may not happen.
I never thought that a simple drug test would be an issue for this fight to be called off.
Pac's camp should have offered a closer day for the random testing like 7 days before the fight. They could have rightfully blamed Mayweather for putting this fight off. Seven days would not be enough for pac to cheat if he is really juicing. Seven days would also give Pac enough time to recover from the blood letting. It's either Pac is really juicing or he's too proud (and too stupid) not to accept Gayweather's demand. Damn your pride Pac!
Anyway, we won't really know who's to blame as Mayweather immediately shut off any door for negotiation when he didn't budge with his demand to do the random testing ( even minutes before the fight!!!).
If Mayweather was really interested, he could have offered a closer day for random test. But no, Golden Boy even could not convinced him to make a concession.
Whew. This fight is making me insane.:-X
Mayweather offered a window of 14 days for the blood testing. He wasn't even asking for the 7 that you think is reasonable. He was asking for 14 days, which is even more breathing space for Manny. And Manny has seemingly turned that down.
It is insane and highly suspicious. And you have to keep returning to that question. Why is Manny having so many issues with a random blood test? The man is acting up something rotten and sure isn't acting very innocent.
Manny is the one who has turned his nose up at the fight. Not Mayweather. No excuses from the Pacfans please. Mayweather offered even more than he should have, and Manny shrugged his shoulders.
We have no fight because Manny Pac is either juicing and it's all hit too close to home or else he is scared. Franky, it's difficult to look at it in any other way. There is no reason to refuse a 14 day window if it's all about a reluctance to give blood and the worry that it might affect his performance.
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Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
I have already sensed from the day this fight was negotiated that there will be problems in both sides.
I honestly believe that Mayweather is afraid of Pac ( just as he was afraid of Cotto and Margarito) so this fight may not happen.
I never thought that a simple drug test would be an issue for this fight to be called off.
Pac's camp should have offered a closer day for the random testing like 7 days before the fight. They could have rightfully blamed Mayweather for putting this fight off. Seven days would not be enough for pac to cheat if he is really juicing. Seven days would also give Pac enough time to recover from the blood letting. It's either Pac is really juicing or he's too proud (and too stupid) not to accept Gayweather's demand. Damn your pride Pac!
Anyway, we won't really know who's to blame as Mayweather immediately shut off any door for negotiation when he didn't budge with his demand to do the random testing ( even minutes before the fight!!!).
If Mayweather was really interested, he could have offered a closer day for random test. But no, Golden Boy even could not convinced him to make a concession.
Whew. This fight is making me insane.:-X
Mayweather offered a window of 14 days for the blood testing. He wasn't even asking for the 7 that you think is reasonable. He was asking for 14 days, which is even more breathing space for Manny. And Manny has seemingly turned that down.
It is insane and highly suspicious. And you have to keep returning to that question. Why is Manny having so many issues with a random blood test? The man is acting up something rotten and sure isn't acting very innocent.
Manny is the one who has turned his nose up at the fight. Not Mayweather. No excuses from the Pacfans please. Mayweather offered even more than he should have, and Manny shrugged his shoulders.
We have no fight because Manny Pac is either juicing and it's all hit too close to home or else he is scared. Franky, it's difficult to look at it in any other way. There is no reason to refuse a 14 day window if it's all about a reluctance to give blood and the worry that it might affect his performance.
I didn't know Gayweather asked for 14 days. Could you provide the link please?
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You guys all really beleive that cover story crap! I want 24 days! no, I want 14 days. Give me a fukn break! Two days of mediation under a binding gag order and the first thing out of the meeting they go to the media and say we can't agree on testing shit. Riiight!
TWO FUKN DAYS! A year from now we could look back at this thread......
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Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off
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fan johnny
You guys all really beleive that cover story crap! I want 24 days! no, I want 14 days. Give me a fukn break! Two days of mediation under a binding gag order and the first thing out of the meeting they go to the media and say we can't agree on testing shit. Riiight!
TWO FUKN DAYS! A year from now we could look back at this thread......
fukk these guys, i'm goin home...
seriously, all this is BS right from the start. i don't care for any of them, i'm never gonna buy PPV or watch CC from any of these guys. fokkin divas.
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Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
I have already sensed from the day this fight was negotiated that there will be problems in both sides.
I honestly believe that Mayweather is afraid of Pac ( just as he was afraid of Cotto and Margarito) so this fight may not happen.
I never thought that a simple drug test would be an issue for this fight to be called off.
Pac's camp should have offered a closer day for the random testing like 7 days before the fight. They could have rightfully blamed Mayweather for putting this fight off. Seven days would not be enough for pac to cheat if he is really juicing. Seven days would also give Pac enough time to recover from the blood letting. It's either Pac is really juicing or he's too proud (and too stupid) not to accept Gayweather's demand. Damn your pride Pac!
Anyway, we won't really know who's to blame as Mayweather immediately shut off any door for negotiation when he didn't budge with his demand to do the random testing ( even minutes before the fight!!!).
If Mayweather was really interested, he could have offered a closer day for random test. But no, Golden Boy even could not convinced him to make a concession.
Whew. This fight is making me insane.:-X
Mayweather offered a window of 14 days for the blood testing. He wasn't even asking for the 7 that you think is reasonable. He was asking for 14 days, which is even more breathing space for Manny. And Manny has seemingly turned that down.
It is insane and highly suspicious. And you have to keep returning to that question. Why is Manny having so many issues with a random blood test? The man is acting up something rotten and sure isn't acting very innocent.
Manny is the one who has turned his nose up at the fight. Not Mayweather. No excuses from the Pacfans please. Mayweather offered even more than he should have, and Manny shrugged his shoulders.
We have no fight because Manny Pac is either juicing and it's all hit too close to home or else he is scared. Franky, it's difficult to look at it in any other way. There is no reason to refuse a 14 day window if it's all about a reluctance to give blood and the worry that it might affect his performance.
I didn't know Gayweather asked for 14 days. Could you provide the link please?
This is a link Tysonbruno had in another thread.
Mayweather blames bout collapse on Pacquiao - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports
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Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
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Originally Posted by
miles
Mayweather offered a window of 14 days for the blood testing. He wasn't even asking for the 7 that you think is reasonable. He was asking for 14 days, which is even more breathing space for Manny. And Manny has seemingly turned that down.
It is insane and highly suspicious. And you have to keep returning to that question. Why is Manny having so many issues with a random blood test? The man is acting up something rotten and sure isn't acting very innocent.
Manny is the one who has turned his nose up at the fight. Not Mayweather. No excuses from the Pacfans please. Mayweather offered even more than he should have, and Manny shrugged his shoulders.
We have no fight because Manny Pac is either juicing and it's all hit too close to home or else he is scared. Franky, it's difficult to look at it in any other way. There is no reason to refuse a 14 day window if it's all about a reluctance to give blood and the worry that it might affect his performance.
I didn't know Gayweather asked for 14 days. Could you provide the link please?
This is a link Tysonbruno had in another thread.
Mayweather blames bout collapse on Pacquiao - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports
sorry miles but the story about the 14 days limit is just rumors. Mayweather wanted an olympic drug testing up to the day of the fight. If he really wanted to fight Pac he could have compromised. I'm blaming the two camps for not doing their best to settle this and I can't put all the blame on Pac.
anyway, the negotiation is still open. if mayweather wants the fight he can still call for another negotiation and insist on a random drug test 14 days before the fight.
the way i see it, the golden boy staffs were trying to persuade him to compromise but he wouldn't budge with the olympic drug testing (drug test up to the day of the fight). Mayweathe didn't even tried to compromise. So partly, the fault can be attributed to him.
Pac and Mayweather should set aside their pride to make this megafight.
The boxing fans deserve to see this fight.
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Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
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Originally Posted by
miles
sorry miles but the story about the 14 days limit is just rumors. Mayweather wanted an olympic drug testing up to the day of the fight. If he really wanted to fight Pac he could have compromised. I'm blaming the two camps for not doing their best to settle this and I can't put all the blame on Pac.
anyway, the negotiation is still open. if mayweather wants the fight he can still call for another negotiation and insist on a random drug test 14 days before the fight.
the way i see it, the golden boy staffs were trying to persuade him to compromise but he wouldn't budge with the olympic drug testing (drug test up to the day of the fight). Mayweathe didn't even tried to compromise. So partly, the fault can be attributed to him.
Pac and Mayweather should set aside their pride to make this megafight.
The boxing fans deserve to see this fight.
no it was up till 48 hours before the fight, more than enough time for your body to replace that blood taken, lets not forget floyd would be taking the same tests and he doesnt run the USADA, its not like he could just decided five minutes before the fight to whip the needles out and take some blood
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Re: End of Day 2 of Mediation - No Agreement - They say fight is off
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
Quote:
Originally Posted by
miles
sorry miles but the story about the 14 days limit is just rumors. Mayweather wanted an olympic drug testing up to the day of the fight. If he really wanted to fight Pac he could have compromised. I'm blaming the two camps for not doing their best to settle this and I can't put all the blame on Pac.
anyway, the negotiation is still open. if mayweather wants the fight he can still call for another negotiation and insist on a random drug test 14 days before the fight.
the way i see it, the golden boy staffs were trying to persuade him to compromise but he wouldn't budge with the olympic drug testing (drug test up to the day of the fight). Mayweathe didn't even tried to compromise. So partly, the fault can be attributed to him.
Pac and Mayweather should set aside their pride to make this megafight.
The boxing fans deserve to see this fight.
Here is how you know it's not Bruce.
Yesterday, the Mediator, Daniel Weinstein, issued a statement correcting Top Rank's factually incorrect statements about GBP & Haymon accepting the deal. He is legally obliged to issue corrections to any factually incorrect information put into the public domain by EITHER side.
The link can be found in this thread http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-pacquiao.html
Notice that he has not issued any corrections regarding Mayweather's statement.
