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DaxxKahn
I never sai YOU said Pacquiao Marquez did shit numbers...
See you have your Underroos up in a ball because you just ignored the part that said "SOMEONE".so...I think it was Althugz...Stating Marquez has hardly any fans or something like that..At the time of the post I could not scroll down enough to check who posted it...Never said you....Get over yourself....AND Althugz did not say it in the sense to cause an argument....Just stating Marquez drawing power...
Ok, you seem to be getting worked up because I misread part of your post. Why you're telling me to get over myself I don't know, I really didn't consider it a major point. I don't know where you got the impression I was having an argument, I just said I didn't say it, I didn't say 'fuck you Daxx, how dare you accuse me of saying that'. I'll have to be careful to make sure to never misread anything you say again, because it quite clearly offends you deeply.
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AS FOR the PPV difference between 1996-1997 and now...I am guessing you are either under 25 or know SHIT about PPV be it boxing or anywhere else..
In the Mid 1990's the only people who profited from PPV sales in a high number were HWT division fighters....Actually you can almost say Mike Tyson because he was the only real PPV attraction period then...Even when Holyfield Bowe etc did PPV it was not Tyson size....
Over the years The biggest known PPV event non HW was actually not a PPV event but a telecast event w Hagler Leonard people went to movie theaters bard etc to pay to see the fight....
The only other known PPV blockbuster every year for sure was WWE Wrestlemania.....For a fighter to do 300,000 400,000 500,000 buys non HW back then was phenominal!!!! If they were not such high buys for the time period they would not have kept putting on PPV even after PPV event with the fighter....They don't do it to lose money.....
So yes 400,000 buys 15 years later would be an almost double today....
You know kind of like how you go buy gas at 3.00 a gallon yet in 1995 it was on 1.75 a gallon
Well, that's a shock Daxx, you went on the 'I know more about this because you're young' flex, that's not at all like you. You're right I am under 25, so if that's your criteria for someone not being eligible to have knowledge about something, you may as well stop reading now. However, I do know quite a bit about how PPV works and its history due to an essay I did on it at university.
I agree with your points on HW fights being the biggest sellers at that point and Tyson in particular, and those were very good numbers for a non-HW fight. So granted in that sense Oscar's numbers were impressive, but what they were not is worth double and I'll explain why. However, PPV was not a new phenomena by then, in fact it had become widely used since about 1992 following its success in the WWF as you said, although it was more widely used than Wrestlemania, as Royal Rumble and SummerSlam were both PPV.
The key point you make about the numbers being worth more is just not true. You give the example of the price of gas, and that is the reason why - inflation. The price of the PPVs has not actually changed in relation to the average wage until recently. If anything, now for the first time since PPV has been widespread, the cost has moved up disproportionately to the average wage. Now, unless PPV prices in the US have always been $50, (or $54.95 as it has gone up to this year) there has been a change in that sense. If anything you could argue that Pacquiao's 700,000 against Clottey is worth more than 700,000 at any prior point. I will however agree that you can make the argument that pre-1998 there was slightly less PPV use due to the technology, however it simply was not as massive a difference as to double a figure.
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The Mayweather numbers you put up w Gatti Judah and Baldomir were shit for the time they were put up...we are talking 2005-2006....where PPV cards were on a regular basis....
Regardless of how well his numbers are now any PPV in 2005-2006 to sell under 400,000 is a bust
I was not trying to claim that they were good, however what they were not is a bust. Anything above 300,000 is largely better economic value than what a PPV seller would put into airing the fight for 'free' on a license fee. Like I said, they're not good numbers, but what they are not is bad. All three of those fights were considered successes by HBO, and the only fight to dramatically outdo them in that timeframe was Oscar-Mayorga.
As I previously said, Oscar's PPV history is definitely better, but it's not as dramatic a difference as you suggest.
