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Bernstein was talking sense and it was good to see a pundit like him talking in such a candid way. The facts are on the record. Haye has agreed to fight a Klit twice. In both instances he has pulled out of the fight under dubious circumstances. And yet still he continues to motor his mouth along with an engine running solely on hot air. Haye does look ridiculous and signing up to fight Harrison makes him look like he belongs in a circus. It is pathetic.
Bernstein thinks Haye can't beat a Klit, but I don't see that as a contradiction. Just because you don't think one fighter can beat another fighter, doesn't mean that the fight shouldn't happen. It's called having an opinion. Haye has said he thinks he can beat the Klits and some on the forums will claim he can too and he has even signed up twice. And yet he simply won't fight a Klit. Two years of talk and an ancient John Ruiz is the biggest name on his resume (Valuev didn't beat anyone). TBH, I don't think Haye has proven he can hang with a Klit either, but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't at least back up his talk or just shut up once and for all.
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When?? Maybe when he was rolling around laughing at Monte's ring entrance but certainly not in the fight. Or do you mean when Haye SLIPPED.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEdtB8CZSiY
If i'm right I think Lyle means around the 8:42ish mark! Your bias is getting worse and worse Lyle. Its sad.
Well #1 Monte caught him off balance to put him down, that was no slip #2 That's the biggest punch Chicken Little has caught since he's been at heavyweight.
TAKE OFF THE WATER WINGS AND JUMP IN THE DEEP END!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvCI-gNK_y4
Watch carefully. You see BOTH his feet sliding forward and he falls on his arse. His head never moves because the shot never even lands. And certainly at no point was he ever "rocked". Also he then gets up and does what an angry boxer should do and finishes his opponent, one thing Wlad is frightened to do until he's convinced his opponents won't fight back.
One thing I did notice rewatching this fight though is how much Hayes defence has started to improve, he was taking albeit little shots that he would never have taken against Valuev and Ruiz due to his ever improving footwork.
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Thanks for posting up the Haye/ Barrett vid. I'd forgoten what an entertaining Heavyweight fight looked like. I also forgot just how dramatic Haye's power is.... But also just how bad his punching tekkers is.
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"And certainly at no point was he ever "rocked"."
He looked pretty rocked to me at 2:30 into that video, I mean getting a punch landed on you and going back in to the ropes counts as rocked as far as I know.
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"And certainly at no point was he ever "rocked"."
He looked pretty rocked to me at 2:30 into that video, I mean getting a punch landed on you and going back in to the ropes counts as rocked as far as I know.
Rubbish. He was being mauled back the ropes anyway. Besides he was only clipped and was of no coincidence.
Haye was rocked by Ruiz though. I mean he stumbled/ staggered into the roped from about 3 meters.
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Wlad is fighting Chisora to deny Haye the opportunity? :lolhaha:
....it's a secondary reason yes. The main reason is that Chisora was available and he's willing to fight Wlad.
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Wlad is fighting Chisora to deny Haye the opportunity? :lolhaha:
....it's a secondary reason yes. The main reason is that Chisora was available and he's willing to fight Wlad.
im available and im willing to fight wlad
think hes got the bottle?
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Wlad is fighting Chisora to deny Haye the opportunity? :lolhaha:
how do you do that laughing smiley?
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Wlad is fighting Chisora to deny Haye the opportunity? :lolhaha:
....it's a secondary reason yes. The main reason is that Chisora was available and he's willing to fight Wlad.
im available and im willing to fight wlad
think hes got the bottle?
At this rate you may get a call since guys like Povetkin and Chicken Little simply refuse to fight the guy.
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Wlad is fighting Chisora to deny Haye the opportunity? :lolhaha:
....it's a secondary reason yes. The main reason is that Chisora was available and he's willing to fight Wlad.
im available and im willing to fight wlad
think hes got the bottle?
At this rate you may get a call since guys like Povetkin and Chicken Little simply refuse to fight the guy.
dude, your chicken little thing is starting to get a bit annoying now
you obviously feel strongly about it and thats your choice but theres a limit to what a dude can put up with
i dont think i will read anymore of your posts sorry
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:vd:
Wlad is fighting Chisora to deny Haye the opportunity? :lolhaha:
....it's a secondary reason yes. The main reason is that Chisora was available and he's willing to fight Wlad.
im available and im willing to fight wlad
think hes got the bottle?
At this rate you may get a call since guys like Povetkin and Chicken Little simply refuse to fight the guy.
dude, your chicken little thing is starting to get a bit annoying now
you obviously feel strongly about it and thats your choice but theres a limit to what a dude can put up with
i dont think i will read anymore of your posts sorry
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Lyle, don't have it. Where's the gun at?
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"And certainly at no point was he ever "rocked"."
He looked pretty rocked to me at 2:30 into that video, I mean getting a punch landed on you and going back in to the ropes counts as rocked as far as I know.
Rubbish. He was being mauled back the ropes anyway. Besides he was only clipped and was of no coincidence.
Haye was rocked by Ruiz though. I mean he stumbled/ staggered into the roped from about 3 meters.
I was ringside for that fight and remember thinking did he get clipped there. When I watched it on TV the day after he def was off balance. That was his biggest downfall vs Ruiz, his balance. But the lack of sparring can really damage important things like that.
Also and more importantly, I think IF Haye lands the first big shot he landed on Ruiz on Wlads chin the fights all over. Anyone agree??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UysHRmxHNzA&feature=related
1:34ish
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rjj tszyu
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J da Bomba
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"And certainly at no point was he ever "rocked"."
He looked pretty rocked to me at 2:30 into that video, I mean getting a punch landed on you and going back in to the ropes counts as rocked as far as I know.
Rubbish. He was being mauled back the ropes anyway. Besides he was only clipped and was of no coincidence.
Haye was rocked by Ruiz though. I mean he stumbled/ staggered into the roped from about 3 meters.
I was ringside for that fight and remember thinking did he get clipped there. When I watched it on TV the day after he def was off balance. That was his biggest downfall vs Ruiz, his balance. But the lack of sparring can really damage important things like that.
Also and more importantly, I think IF Haye lands the first big shot he landed on Ruiz on Wlads chin the fights all over. Anyone agree??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UysHRmxHNzA&feature=related
1:34ish
Wlad is not going to get knocked out by one punch. His chin isn't that bad and Haye doesn't hit that hard.
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J da Bomba
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"And certainly at no point was he ever "rocked"."
He looked pretty rocked to me at 2:30 into that video, I mean getting a punch landed on you and going back in to the ropes counts as rocked as far as I know.
Rubbish. He was being mauled back the ropes anyway. Besides he was only clipped and was of no coincidence.
Haye was rocked by Ruiz though. I mean he stumbled/ staggered into the roped from about 3 meters.
I was ringside for that fight and remember thinking did he get clipped there. When I watched it on TV the day after he def was off balance. That was his biggest downfall vs Ruiz, his balance. But the lack of sparring can really damage important things like that.
Also and more importantly, I think IF Haye lands the first big shot he landed on Ruiz on Wlads chin the fights all over. Anyone agree??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UysHRmxHNzA&feature=related
1:34ish
Wlad is not going to get knocked out by one punch. His chin isn't that bad and Haye doesn't hit that hard.
Agreed one punch just isn't going to do it, he took enough single shots from peter without problem. I doubt that haye will get to land that shot on wlad anyways, but at this point honestly I'm not sure they're even getting in the ring with each other for the next year or 2 if at all.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Haye put Ruiz on his bum with the 1st right hand he landed.
He also put Barret down with the 1st left hook he landed.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Haye put Ruiz on his bum with the 1st right hand he landed.
He also put Barret down with the 1st left hook he landed.
Well that's kind of a poor sample group seeing how Monte Barrett has been KO'd several times and John Ruiz simply refused to fight a power puncher after the David Tua debacle. Nicolay Valuev had never been KO'd and he remains that way after having fought the current WBA title holder and that tells me more about his power than the fights vs Barrett and Ruiz.
Listen, the guy is a title holder and undefeated in the heavyweight division he's a good fighter anything can happen, I'm just of the opinion that Wladimir is good enough to beat him easily. You guys can point to the John Ruiz knockdown all you like but look at how much respect he gave Ruiz...NONE because Ruiz isn't a big time puncher or a combination puncher, that punch was thrown because the fighter in question felt safe enough to throw it.
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rjj tszyu
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J da Bomba
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"And certainly at no point was he ever "rocked"."
He looked pretty rocked to me at 2:30 into that video, I mean getting a punch landed on you and going back in to the ropes counts as rocked as far as I know.
Rubbish. He was being mauled back the ropes anyway. Besides he was only clipped and was of no coincidence.
Haye was rocked by Ruiz though. I mean he stumbled/ staggered into the roped from about 3 meters.
I was ringside for that fight and remember thinking did he get clipped there. When I watched it on TV the day after he def was off balance. That was his biggest downfall vs Ruiz, his balance. But the lack of sparring can really damage important things like that.
Also and more importantly, I think IF Haye lands the first big shot he landed on Ruiz on Wlads chin the fights all over. Anyone agree??
Wlad is not going to get knocked out by one punch. His chin isn't that bad and Haye doesn't hit that hard.
Sanders, Brewster, Purity, Peter, Williamson.. Wlad has been over lots of times.
Have you ever seen Haye NOT hurt an opponent? He could easily win the fight with one punch.
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rjj tszyu
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J da Bomba
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armin
"And certainly at no point was he ever "rocked"."
He looked pretty rocked to me at 2:30 into that video, I mean getting a punch landed on you and going back in to the ropes counts as rocked as far as I know.
Rubbish. He was being mauled back the ropes anyway. Besides he was only clipped and was of no coincidence.
Haye was rocked by Ruiz though. I mean he stumbled/ staggered into the roped from about 3 meters.
I was ringside for that fight and remember thinking did he get clipped there. When I watched it on TV the day after he def was off balance. That was his biggest downfall vs Ruiz, his balance. But the lack of sparring can really damage important things like that.
Also and more importantly, I think IF Haye lands the first big shot he landed on Ruiz on Wlads chin the fights all over. Anyone agree??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UysHRmxHNzA&feature=related
1:34ish
No not then.
With exactly 13 seconds to go in round one Ruiz properly staggers Haye ;)
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erics44
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El Kabong
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erics44
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El Kabong
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Fenster
:vd:
Wlad is fighting Chisora to deny Haye the opportunity? :lolhaha:
....it's a secondary reason yes. The main reason is that Chisora was available and he's willing to fight Wlad.
im available and im willing to fight wlad
think hes got the bottle?
At this rate you may get a call since guys like Povetkin and Chicken Little simply refuse to fight the guy.
dude, your chicken little thing is starting to get a bit annoying now
you obviously feel strongly about it and thats your choice but theres a limit to what a dude can put up with
i dont think i will read anymore of your posts sorry
Suit yourself, its no skin off my back.
aaarrrggg i read it, my eyes are melting
