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I agree. Where have you been hiding? Not seen you on here for ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHFenster wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire. Fact.Quote:
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Originally Posted by CFH
dude when i started posting on this site (just a few short weeks ago for real), whilst having a debate with your good friend fenster, he told me that you were too big and too tough for me
but when it comes down to it you are just a big softy and were a sucker of dirrells puppy dog eyes
I wouldn't waste a pint on you but piss I could just about manage. Just.
dont worry, i would piss on you tooQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterNot true.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHFenster wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire. Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
dude when i started posting on this site (just a few short weeks ago for real), whilst having a debate with your good friend fenster, he told me that you were too big and too tough for me
but when it comes down to it you are just a big softy and were a sucker of dirrells puppy dog eyes
I wouldn't waste a pint on you but piss I could just about manage. Just.
Abraham is an AWFUL boxer. He should be in MMA. However just because he is an awful boxer doesn't mean he can't be successful but he wil always struggle with young slick, athletic fighters like Dirrell.
Please allow me to let some of your opinions of me drop.
Here's what I recall and what I think, and may God have mercy on my soul.
Dirrell was winning the fight. Pot shotting Arthur and on his bicycle, he was going to scramble his way to the finish line and a points win. How riveting.
Dirrell, and a whole host of fighters that shall remain nameless for this thread, well they're students of the exciting and enthralling "style" of "run like a girl firing jabs off your back foot and never engage." This has never excited me, never will excite me, but you and I knew that was gonna be his plan. Granted, Arthur is a hard hitter and Andre would be ill-advised to stand and trade with him, but there is so much more to defensive boxing and countering than RUNNING AWAY. The first time I watched Andre i disliked him. Not his talk, but his reliance on footspeed and his "strategy" of sprinting post to post, screaming in fear and flicking jabs out behind him like flares and countermeasures. Aye, there's a tad bit of embellishing there, but it makes me insane with rage when fighters won't fight. Relying on natural athletic ability to avoid shots and counter is one thing (ala Jones Jr, Shane, Ike, SweetPea..) but keeping ten yards and a cattle prod between you and danger at all times is not anything Im ever going to want to watch.
Now Arthur was clearly on his way to losing a decision when WHOOP oh hey here he is. Typical Arthur fashion, he waits til the last two minutes of the fourth quarter to turn it on. It's his MO. And it's working. He has started to rattle Andre and now he's hurt him. Heeeeere's the Abraham I came to see, ok sweetness old buddy old chap old chum, now you got 6 minutes to knock this colossal bore out.
Let me interrupt myself to explain that last remark. Alot of you like "boxers." My idea of a boxer and yours are probably different. Floyd Mayweather, throughout 95% of his career, is the very picture of boxing perfection. Dirrel to me, is not. He, and some of you, may THINK he is, because he hops in, pot shots and runs away. Dirrell runs ALOT. If Dirrell could figure out how to fight without being IN the ring, I think he would. He thinks he's the next incarnation of Jones or something, but forgetting that Roy would actually fire back meaningful shots and knock your ass out. Hey Andre, you ain't even close.These kinds of "boxers" make me crazy. Maybe they know their limitations, maybe they think its what the fans want, but I hate any unwillingness to exchange in a fight.
No , you can't stand and trade every second of every round if youre a guy like Dirrell, but cmon, damn. I won't hijack my own post to name all of the fighters that bore my tits off running around in circles, racking up points on flick-jabs, and spinning and pirouetting and deciding they want to be known as "boxers."
Anyhoo, I think late in the fight (too late perhaps) Andre began to believe what I was already aware of. That Arthur was coming on late, as is his style, and was going to inflict some serious damage over the last 6 minutes, if not completely knock him the hell out. Arthur screwed up badly with the shot to Dirrell as he was down, and Andre seized it. I saw it, you saw it, we all saw it. That look, that nanosecond before the seizures took hold, said it all. It said 'hey, here's my out. I don't have to fight anymore and this one is in the bag, pardon me while i jitterbug my way the hell away from this man KNOWN for knocking folks stupid with seconds left on the clock.'
I don't think Andre had what it took to stay away the last 2. I think he was in a world of trouble. And truth be told, though it won't endear me to any of you, Im glad he may be out of the sport. I don't think the sport needs boring hybrid fighters who refuse to engage, but simply rely on quick feet and rat-a-tat point-making styles before hopping on their jetpacks and disengaging. It's a fine line, yes, but you take the fighters whose names are popping into your head to refute my example; the Mosleys, the Mayweathers, the Whitakers, the de la Hoyas, and yes, technically these guys could hit and quit and pop and run and DID at various moments in any fight. BUT they all had the ability and the nerve to ALSO stand and fight for God's sake.
I'd rather watch touch football than a Dirrell "fight".
Ramble over, bring on the carnage.
I agree Balboa. I completely agree too but I think Dirrell at times has been more of an exciting boxer then what he has shown at other times and regardless of whether or not I like watching it, he still wins rounds 'boxing' like you put it even if it's not how you want to see his skills applied. Also, you could see those left hooks that were missing by miles in the earlier rounds were getting much closer and the pressure was definitely bothering Dirrell. I remarked that when watching the fight, and then the incident happened.
Still, all the blame must be placed on Abraham.
Oh indeed.
I want nothing more than to watch the last two rounds of that fight play out.
Alongside the last rounds of Lewis/Klitschko.
The abrupt endings to both will haunt me forever.
psssssssst, I pick Arthur and Vitali to triumph in both.
I'm not sure. Theres countless examples of when a boxer has hit the other guy when down but didnt even get a warning. The ref had no choice because of Dirrels acting but I think if he had more pride he would have got up and try to win like a man.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
I am sure, if Abraham doesn't throw the punch then there is no leeway for Andre to act or not to act.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI'm not sure. Theres countless examples of when a boxer has hit the other guy when down but didnt even get a warning. The ref had no choice because of Dirrels acting but I think if he had more pride he would have got up and try to win like a man.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
dudes tho all this isnt a question of whether or not dirrell should of won the fight or whether or not what aa did deserved what he got its the mannor in which dirrell roled on the floor and had little fits and then did some more rolling then got up and cried for half an hourQuote:
Originally Posted by amatI am sure, if Abraham doesn't throw the punch then there is no leeway for Andre to act or not to act.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI'm not sure. Theres countless examples of when a boxer has hit the other guy when down but didnt even get a warning. The ref had no choice because of Dirrels acting but I think if he had more pride he would have got up and try to win like a man.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
it was an embarrasment to boxing as a whole
What's a little shady is now Dirrell is out and another one of Haymon's fighters is in (Bika).
Only time will tell what the truth is about this situation. One thing for certain is that Showtime will find out and sue the crap out of Dirrell if he isn't telling the truth about his injury, not to mention the sanctioning bodies who would sanction him. Also, it wouldn't make sense if he isn't telling the truth to remain out of boxing for a long time because he would be foregoing his prime money-making years in the sport for a lie. So, if he is out for an extended period, two-three years, or he retires, I think we can agree that he was telling the truth. If he is miraculously healed in three months, then there is something off.
bika should probably of been in before green and johnsonQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
i am looking forward to ward bika a lot more than i was ward dirrell
Did anyone see what Froch wrote in his Nottingham post article?
Froch Won't Speculate, But Hints Doubt on Dirrell's Story - Boxing News
Interesting quote he uses from Gary Shaw after the Abraham-Dirrell fight. Shaw said "He hasn't sustained concussion and his brain scans are clear".
I just think these two didn't want to fight and the only way they could avoid it without Showtime taking legal action was for one to get "seriously" injured. If there isn't anything wrong then Dirrell will pass any scans and tests that he'll be subjected too easily before he's allowed to box again, so there's unlikely to be a problem. I find it hard to believe that this suddenly crops up after they spent months arguing over the venue etc. Wouldn't it have been easier to cancel it from the original date rather than announcing the fight knowing all along he wouldn't be able to go through with it?
I think its safe to say if he's back in 3-4 months there wasn't anything wrong with him in the first place. Of course if there is some serious injury then I hope he does recover because no one likes to see a fighter suffer serious injuries in the ring, although I really doubt that this is that bad
Its all a bullshit way to circumvent being sued for backing out of the tourney because he doesn't want to face Ward at this point in his career...