Alan should not be on the list...
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Alan should not be on the list...
Randy Turpin beat the greatest p4p fighter ever.
Ken buchanan should surely fall in to this catagory he was undisputed lightweight champ.
Lennox LewisQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Yes good examples , by the way this is an open thread , i didnt want to just list as many as i thought were for real , i wanted everyone to discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
So we have as follows.
Lennox Lewis
David Haye
Bob Fitzsimmons
Hamed
Lloyd Honeyghan
Kid Lewis
Alan Minter
Jimmy Wilde
Ricky Hatton
please list all if you want to add any so we can sum up at the end.
Example of a fragmented belt holder of the worst type , Duke McKenzie i mean he was never the best in any of the 3 divisions he held a belt in , so never a WORLD CHAMPION.
David Haye
Bob Fitzsimmons
Naz
HoneyGhan
Kid Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Ricky Hatton
Randy Turpin is in 100%
Alan Minter is removed via cutememick unless we argue his case
Ken Buchanan is open to discussion
Are you purposely leaving off Calzaghe?
And you missed Jack Kid Berg too (lineal 140lb champ and man that ended the great Kid Chocolate's 70 odd fight unbeaten run)
Cunningham won a vacant IBF title stripped from O'Neil Bell.Quote:
Originally Posted by PremeHaye never beat Cunningham who held the IBF belt so was never the undisputed champion...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYeah they'll hate to admit it but it's a fact. Haye was lineal cruiserweight champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
I think he would of beaten him, but it never happened.
Mormeck and Bell fought with the WBC, WBA and IBF titles on the line, which also restarted the lineage which had ended when Holyfield moved to heavyweight.
That makes Haye THE man ;)
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterCunningham won a vacant IBF title stripped from O'Neil Bell.Quote:
Originally Posted by PremeHaye never beat Cunningham who held the IBF belt so was never the undisputed champion...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYeah they'll hate to admit it but it's a fact. Haye was lineal cruiserweight champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
I think he would of beaten him, but it never happened.
Mormeck and Bell fought with the WBC, WBA and IBF titles on the line, which also restarted the lineage which had ended when Holyfield moved to heavyweight.
That makes Haye THE man ;)
Are we adding Jim Watt to the list?? Surely the little fucker has an argument to be included!
question is , was he ever the best in his division ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
argue his case and we can see if he is in or out
Well for a start when he was beaten by Arguello, Alexis became considered the "man" of the division!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Alquestion is , was he ever the best in his division ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
argue his case and we can see if he is in or out
Thats a backward way to look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuWell for a start when he was beaten by Arguello, Alexis became considered the "man" of the division!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Alquestion is , was he ever the best in his division ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
argue his case and we can see if he is in or out
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThats a backward way to look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuWell for a start when he was beaten by Arguello, Alexis became considered the "man" of the division!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Alquestion is , was he ever the best in his division ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
argue his case and we can see if he is in or out
Buchanan should definately be in here,he was best in his division for 2 years.Then he met the young 'hands of stone' Roberto Duran,even then it took duran 13 rounds to finish him and when he did it was a shot to the balls that put him down.You have got to take in to consideration the amount of fights he fought abroad.He fought people in there own home towns and capitals and still won.He beat ismael laguna to win the title,who is one of the best boxers to come out of panama and he beat him on lagunas own turf and if Jim Watt is getting in here then so should buchanan because he also beat Watt in his home town of glasgow.
Oh and benny lynch should be here as well.Definitely worth a shout.
the thread is asking who is officially the best in the division and froch isnt "officially"Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0But he still lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
i think froch is the best in the division
and he did lose to kes, but me as well as a lot of boxing experts think he won
Plus the question wasn't who do you think is best in the division. Compare Froch's achievments to even Hayes at Cruiserweight and you'll see there is no way he can be considered a real world champ.
If he wins the super six (which I'm hoping) then he is in with a shout.
i dont want to get into the froch kes debate but i think froch won quite comfortably
if he wins the super six there is no doubt, who ever wins the super six has to be considered the best
So that kind of sums it all up , for instance Haye v Harrison is for a belt not for a WORLD title .
Boxing has gone down hill , sanctioning bodies taking fees for a belt not fit to hold up you pants !
johhny nelson
colin Mcmillan
paul hodkinson
paul ingle
carl thompson
gavin rees
etc etc
all belt holders but never ever to be called world champions !!
whats wrong with the wba?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
and i wont have you diss thompson, he should have been a world superstar, what a fighter
its a pitty he has retired, you wont get many carl thompsons again
There's currently around 80+ "world" champions. Only 5 or 6 can actually claim to be THE man in their division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
It's been like this for ages and applies to "world" champs everywhere not just Britain.
carl froch is currently british and world number 1 in many peoples eyes including myself
did sauerland manage to make the froch-abraham fight for kess`s WBC belt that he nicked off the cobra? if so in a few short weeks time we`ll have at least 1 definite answer to this question