How High Can Pac Go?

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11-22-2010, 02:32 PM
Hornfinger

Re: How High Can Pac Go?

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It's possible for pac to weight drain any fighter enough to the point he can stick move and bust up just about anyone.......that's why catchweights suck.

He's only ever had two fights at catchweight and his opponents looked fine, not drained at all. Don't see anyone having a go at SRL for it, he had more fights at a catchweight than Pac.

Oscar wasn't at a catchweight but it was still way under what he was capable of making. Oscar didn't look fine. Cotto had no punch resistance and looked slow and didn't have his usual power, same with margarito. No Pac's opponants didn't look 'fine'.

Getting a fighter from a higher weight class and getting them to fight at a lower one is just as bad as a catchweight.

Oscar wanted the fight at 147 because no one in their right mind would expect a guy who fought at 135 just once to move up a further three weight classes. Oscar made that fight on his terms and Manny agreed to them.

As for Cotto he looked no better at 154, he had to drop one single pound from his previous weight on the scales.

Gotta come up with better than that, sorry.

HAHAHAH weather oscar wanted the fight or not is irrelevant (and the answer is money BTW, oscar did it for money). Are you telling me that oscar wasn't weight drained on fight night? Are you telling me that oscar was 100% fit and capable and at full power that night?

Cotto was still a catch weight. The beating he got off margarito didn't help but cotto was not 100% at that weight.

i agree someones gotta come up with something better and it ain't me sunshine.
11-22-2010, 02:38 PM
generalbulldog

Re: How High Can Pac Go?

How high can Pac go? Depends on what kind of Shaboo he's smoking?:p
11-22-2010, 03:03 PM
milmascaras1

Re: How High Can Pac Go?

so Rain, you're trying to say timothy bradley won't even be competitive against pacquiao? boy, in your own little world pacquiao can do no wrong, can't he? must be that one fighter effect, again!
11-22-2010, 03:05 PM
generalbulldog

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so Rain, you're trying to say timothy bradley won't even be competitive against pacquiao? boy, in your own little world pacquiao can do no wrong, can't he? must be that one fighter effect, again!

Oh it will be competitive for a short while, then I think Pac takes over from around the 3rd or 4th. Bradley is good but I don't see him with the skill sets to beat Pac.
11-22-2010, 03:14 PM
:::PSL:::

Re: How High Can Pac Go?

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

How high can Pac go? Depends on what kind of Shaboo he's smoking?:p

shabu :o
11-23-2010, 04:20 PM
ICB

Re: How High Can Pac Go?

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Would Pac be able to be in with a fighting chance against:

Super Mid

Bute
Froch
Dirrell
Ward
Abrham
Kesler
Pavlik

Middleweight

Williams
Martinez
Sturm
Chave Jnr

I think he struggles at Middleweight, but I'd give him a decent chance still, Super Middle is a step too far, although I'd love to see him give it a go! I'm sure he would cause a few problems on his way.

Are you kidding me ? a 5'6 Super Middleweight ? who started at Flyweight ? just realize what your saying. He didn't even legitmately fight Antonio Margarito at Jr Middleweight, and no one even knows if he can make Jr Middleweight comfortably.

Yet your already talking about the possibility of him at 160 and 168 ? there's no chance in hell he would get anywhere near that weight and be in good shape.

Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter but he's not super human, there's limit to how far he can go. And he's reached it.
11-24-2010, 06:04 PM
:::PSL:::

Re: How High Can Pac Go?

Sergio Martinez: I'll Challenge Pacquiao For His 154 Title
11-24-2010, 07:08 PM
Julius Rain

Re: How High Can Pac Go?

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Sergio Martinez: I'll Challenge Pacquiao For His 154 Title

Pac will UD Martinez - people been calling me crazy since pacs featherweight days, I dont expect them to say otherwise now ;)
11-24-2010, 08:40 PM
0james0

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Are you kidding me ? a 5'6 Super Middleweight ? who started at Flyweight ? just realize what your saying. He didn't even legitmately fight Antonio Margarito at Jr Middleweight, and no one even knows if he can make Jr Middleweight comfortably.
Yet your already talking about the possibility of him at 160 and 168 ?
there's no chance in hell he would
get anywhere near that weight and
be in good shape.
Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter but he's not super human, there's
limit to how far he can go. And he's reached it.

I know what your saying, I even agree with you. But the point is, the guy is super human.

Most of us have been saying for years: "he can't go any higher". But he has.

Yes the Marg fight had a catch weight, but it wasn't as if he was drained, those 4 lbs would have made Marg more durable, but not any better. The outcome undoubtably would have been the same.

Maybe I just want to see Pac beat up, but I want to see him at least attempt to beat more guys at even higher weights. I want to see him go higher and higher until he loses. He can stay at the same weight for all I care.
11-24-2010, 09:52 PM
milmascaras1

Re: How High Can Pac Go?

this fight would never happen because martinez is in his prime and that's not pacquiao's mantra to fight prime fighters. martinez is just hoping for the fight but bob arum isn't a fool, he doesn't want pacquiao badly beaten up and retired.

i think this fight would be competitive for a couple of rounds but after that, martinez' power would show and would KO pacquiao in the middle rounds. if they are going to fight for pacquiao's jr. middleweight title, i hope martinez falls for this catchweight crap again. at 154, martinez ass rapes the little anointed midget.
11-25-2010, 01:46 AM
miron_lang

Re: How High Can Pac Go?

Pac's limit should be 147. He could beat guys at 154 but will absorb great damage in doing so.

He'll be in a serious risk if he tries 160.
11-25-2010, 04:58 AM
fan johnny

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Originally Posted by milmascaras1

this fight would never happen because martinez is in his prime and that's not pacquiao's mantra to fight prime fighters. martinez is just hoping for the fight but bob arum isn't a fool, he doesn't want pacquiao badly beaten up and retired.

i think this fight would be competitive for a couple of rounds but after that, martinez' power would show and would KO pacquiao in the middle rounds. if they are going to fight for pacquiao's jr. middleweight title, i hope martinez falls for this catchweight crap again. at 154, martinez ass rapes the little anointed midget.

It's not a catch weight per se. 154lbs is the Jr Middleweight limit. It's not a negotiation. It is pre-negotiation chatter from Martinez to entice Pacquiao. Martinez's promoter is just laying out the premise to fight Martinez should Pacquiao's first preference fails to materialize. I didn't here anyone complaining about the Williams/Martinez II fight, being Title fight, and at a catch weight.

As far as arguments for being weight drained goes, his last 5 fights were:

11/20/10; Williams - 156
4/17/10; Pavilik - 159.5
12/5/09; Williams - 157
2/14/09; Cintron - 154,
10/04/08; Bunema - 152.5

154+ ".?" is right there for Martinez so you can get over the catch weigh nonsense. If ever there is serious talk about a match, you can bet Team Pacquiao will shoot for a much lower weight like 150lbs. (Then you can start with the catch weight crap) Their incentive to go for the higher weight of 154+ is a 9th weight-class trinket, but my guess is they would rather opt to for a lower weight and take as much advantage as they can get away from Martinez. It is all moot at this point since there is nothing serious. I do expect this match-up however to grow in popularity as the hope for a Mayweather clash dies. I also think you are completely misreading Arum. I think Arum is very crafty and cunning. I think Arum is just paving the way for future negotiations to sway them in his favor.
11-25-2010, 03:47 PM
Puerto Rican Punch

I guess the catch weight statement may be argued as all recent Margacheato fights been at 147 except for the fight previuos to Pacman. Years ago Margacheato returned to 147 after loosing with Santos at 154. Everytime Pacman go up in weight we think that he will loose badly and we have been wrong one after the other. There will be a limit and I believe his body reached it, but he can still give the weight advantage and win. A fight with Martinez should be probably the biggest challenge up to this moment and if he wins he is super human. I am not positive that Floyd will accept the fight at least until he is broke.

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