Re: Mayweather "...the pac maniacs will crucify you"
I see.
That requires a lot of thought from your part to make it more complicating i say.
Shane's standing before facing Floyd.
-KO victory over Margarito
-Last second KO victory over Mayorga
-Loss to Cotto
Margarito's standing before facing Pacquiao
- Decision over Garcia
- KO Loss to Mosley
-TKO win over Cotto
Cotto's standing before Pacquiao
-decision over Clottey
-KO over Jennings
-TKO loss to Margarito
- CONCLUSION from a sane man -
1. All 3 men lost in their last 3 fights
2. Each have beaten the other while lost to the other
3. Floyd dominated one of the 3. Pacquiao dominated 2 of the 3
4. Cotto's other loss comes from Marg w/c Pac dominated also. If anything Cotto has a stronger claim to be superior among the 3 with recent victories over Clottey, Judah, Quintana( W over Williams at 147).
Pls just answer me this mate, straight up.
Do you consider Floyd's victory over Shane as more Impressive compared to Pac's victory over Cotto and Margarito?
Re: Mayweather "...the pac maniacs will crucify you"
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miles
And let's not forget how poor Mosley looked against Mora too. He hasn't beaten a top fighter in over 2 years now and is pushing 40. The Mora fight confirmed what the Mayweather fight had us thinking. If Mosley had come back beating up Mora, then that would have reflected positively on Mayweather's showing. As it stands Mosley has looked relatively shot twice in a row after having a long lay off.
Over computation of dividends were given to Mosley for his Victory against Margarito.
Before the fight it was already discussed that Mosley's physical attributes shines brightly againts what Margarito has to offer. Lets not even consider Margarito's excuse that he was severly overweight going to the Mosley Camp.
- Mosley hits like mule. harder than Cotto and most likely harder than Cintron
- Mosley has great great upper body strength. See how many time he clinch easily after landing an overhand right. Marg is strong but SHane can wrestle him if he needs to.
Re: Mayweather "...the pac maniacs will crucify you"
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miron_lang
I see.
That requires a lot of thought from your part to make it more complicating i say.
Shane's standing before facing Floyd.
-KO victory over Margarito
-Last second KO victory over Mayorga
-Loss to Cotto
Margarito's standing before facing Pacquiao
- Decision over Garcia
- KO Loss to Mosley
-TKO win over Cotto
Cotto's standing before Pacquiao
-decision over Clottey
-KO over Jennings
-TKO loss to Margarito
- CONCLUSION from a sane man -
1. All 3 men lost in their last 3 fights
2. Each have beaten the other while lost to the other
3. Floyd dominated one of the 3. Pacquiao dominated 2 of the 3
4. Cotto's other loss comes from Marg w/c Pac dominated also. If anything Cotto has a stronger claim to be superior among the 3 with recent victories over Clottey, Judah, Quintana( W over Williams at 147).
Pls just answer me this mate, straight up.
Do you consider Floyd's victory over Shane as more Impressive compared to Pac's victory over Cotto and Margarito?
Yeah, Floyd's victory against Shane was more impressive then Pacquiao's against Margarito and Cotto. Probably because I picked Pacquiao to massacre both of them considering how they looked prior. Shane Mosley shocked everyone by knocking out Margarito and coming out in that form. And like I said he was the lineal champion at the time. So of course Floyd's win over Mosley is more impressive than Pacquiao's over Cotto and Margarito. When Pacquiao was to fight Cotto i said on this forum that pacquiao was going to demolish him and he did, I said that he would destroy margarito in a one sided fight and he did. So pacquiao beating Margarito or Cotto the way he did wasn't really a surprise to me. But Floyd dominating Mosley in the way he did, surprised me. I expected Floyd to win but I didn't expect him to make Shane look that bad. That plus the fact Shane was lineal champ at 147 at the time they fought. Regardless on if he lost to Cotto before, he had redeemed himself by knocking Margarito and winning the lineal championship?
See the thing is, anyone can put these wins etc up on paper and try to make it as simple as 1,2,3. But the fact is, at the time they fought, Shane was the lineal champ at 147 and the man of that division.
margarito and cotto, were on a very apparent slide, coming off their last two performances. Neither of them came off of an absolute dominant knockout performance against the guy of the division did they? So if we compare, how Cotto came off against Margarito and then Clottey, and then how Margarito came off against Mosley and Garcia or whoever he fought after. And Clottey and Garcia are no world beaters, but then compare it how Mosley came off against Margarito who was "the guy" at 147. No one else was it, he WAS the lineal champ, and Shane knocked him out and dominated him and took the lineal championship from him. And I;m sorry but that's more impressive then how Cotto or Margarito looked in their fight leading up to pacquiao. So yes Floyd beating Shane was more impressive in my opinion.
Better I question to ask you this.
Was Shane the lineal champ coming into his fight with Floyd?
Do you think Cotto looked better against Clottey then Mosley did against Margarito?
Do you think Margarito looked better against Garcia then Mosley did against Margarito?
Who looked more dominant coming into their fight with either Floyd or Pacquiao; Cotto and Margarito, or Shane?
Re: Mayweather "...the pac maniacs will crucify you"
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Majesty
Yeah, Floyd's victory against Shane was more impressive then Pacquiao's against Margarito and Cotto.
LOL
That's fine i guess ;)
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Majesty
Better I question to ask you this.
Was Shane the lineal champ coming into his fight with Floyd?
Shane was not the lineal champion because it wasnt clear between the 3. RING editors voted that Shane v Marg isnt for their Championship because of the Shane's loss to Cotto.
Lineal should be between the 2 very best fighters.
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Majesty
Do you think Cotto looked better against Clottey then Mosley did against Margarito?
Styles makes fight. Marg is made for Mosley. head to head Cotto already beat Shane just within 3 fights of the bout were talking about
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Majesty
Do you think Margarito looked better against Garcia then Mosley did against Margarito?
Mosley looks better of course. but he looks shit againts Mora
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Majesty
Who looked more dominant coming into their fight with either Floyd or Pacquiao; Cotto and Margarito, or Shane?
I already told you this. Cotto has the strongest claim among the 3. Mosley was lucky he was facing Margarito. If it was Clottey or Cotto in there he would look every second of his 38 yrs.
Re: Mayweather "...the pac maniacs will crucify you"
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miron_lang
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Majesty
Yeah, Floyd's victory against Shane was more impressive then Pacquiao's against Margarito and Cotto.
LOL
That's fine i guess ;)
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Originally Posted by
Majesty
Better I question to ask you this.
Was Shane the lineal champ coming into his fight with Floyd?
Shane was not the lineal champion because it wasnt clear between the 3. RING editors voted that Shane v Marg isnt for their Championship because of the Shane's loss to Cotto.
Lineal should be between the 2 very best fighters.
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Majesty
Do you think Cotto looked better against Clottey then Mosley did against Margarito?
Styles makes fight. Marg is made for Mosley. head to head Cotto already beat Shane just within 3 fights of the bout were talking about
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Majesty
Do you think Margarito looked better against Garcia then Mosley did against Margarito?
Mosley looks better of course. but he looks shit againts Mora
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Majesty
Who looked more dominant coming into their fight with either Floyd or Pacquiao; Cotto and Margarito, or Shane?
I already told you this. Cotto has the strongest claim among the 3.
Mosley was lucky he was facing Margarito. If it was Clottey or Cotto in there he would look every second of his 38 yrs.
I agree with most of your logic regarding most of this argument, but had shane faced Cotto in an immediate rematch with cotto, Cotto would have been beaten. Shane also would have beaten Clottey because he was a heavybag there to be hit. Even before the PBF fight shane would have kayoed Berto.
I think 3# factors pushed shane over the hill before he had one last hoorah fight.
factor #1 - obviously his age
factor #2 - over training, as he was already getting ready for Berto, only to have to begin his training for pbf weeks after finding out that Berto was pulling out.
Factor #3 - The very long layoff..
But I agree. Pac beating any version of clottey, Marg, and cotto still outweighs PBF beating that now confirmed old shane mosley...
Re: Mayweather "...the pac maniacs will crucify you"
