Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
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The Grinch
TBH, I agree with everything you just said... Except the 135 part.
Pac is different animal now. But I don't think you'll be seeing him at 135 ever again. I mean of course time will tell but you'll see ;)
I kinda agree with Taeth. I think Pacquiao has all the size and speed advantages at 135. I don't see how optimal weight equates to making weight:
"*Marquez' optimal weight is probably 135(ish)" ring weight 144
"*Pacquiao's optimal weight is now 144(ish)" ring weight 148
Pacquiao is 4 lbs north of Marquez. If age is a factor making weight, I don't see how 135 favors Marquez.
Pacquiao says he is different (24/7) since he last fought Marquez because he now studies fighters tapes and forms a fight plan. His performance in the ring backups that statement.
I don't think we'll see him at 135 either, but not because he can't make the weight. I think we don't see him there because the is no more money incentive for him to be there than there is for him to be at 147. Why should he cut his weight if he doesn't have to?
Re: Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?
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Taeth
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ross
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killersheep
Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.
Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested;)
Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.
This is a daft question.
"JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"
Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!
Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.
Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.
Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.
Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.
I think Mosleys excessive speed with power used to come from his ability to move in a straight line and strike with divine timing. Its was like watching a mobile gunslinger whenever he fought someone who would be right in front of him,specially someone without a jab, he came into his own.
Manny is sharper and for longer, he will time him instead and be moving around freely replying with those angles of his own.
I think Shane will get caught moving in.
