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Agreed. One thing redeemable about this fight is that at least after it Pacquiao will have cleaned out the entire welterweight division other than PBF and Berto. Whereas in the other divisions he recently moved through, he fought one fight and was out.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
He should have fought Berto instead. If Arum could match him up with a no-name fighter like Clottey, why not Berto? IMO, the Berto fight would have made at least 900k PPV buys, if a no name like Clottey who the general public doesn't know can make 700k buys.
Berto is young, undefeated, fast and powerful and a 147 pounder. His defense may be leaky but it would have been new blood and would have been competitive for a few rounds.
This fight with Mosley would have been great after Pac's fight with Hatton or Cotto.
And another thing I don't buy that Berto is an unknown when Pac fought Clottey.
This could shape up to be a replay of the Pac vs. DLH fight. This isn't a fight made for casual boxing fan and not the hardcore. The casuals will disregard moselys age and tune in just to see if Manny can beat him worse than /take that punch better than Mayweather did. Roach loves a fight like this because knows that Mosely can't pull the trigger anymore. The first round or two looked impressive vs. mayweather because Floyd sat back, tried to read and feel out Shane, while Shane was the all out aggressor. Manny goes straight to work. Moselys jab isn't anything to write home about, so don't be surprised to see him blistered with counters through the fight when he flicks out a pitty pat range finder. Enough of those and mosely should go into a shell and he won't be able to keep pace with Manny and it will probably be a massacre.
Theres always the fabled bomb that can land from Shane, but like I said, he's not as quick on the draw as he used to be... and the planets would have to align just right for that to happen. i.e. He's the aggressor against a less active fighter (unlikely in this fight), Manny's moving straight forward or back without punching and not stepping to the side (a no-no since the roach reprogramming), He steps into manny at the same time manny steps into him (he should be late by about half a step, off balance and covering up), He closes his eyes and swings in an exchange and connects tarver style. (could happen). 1 out of 4 is still a chance, I guess. Nazeem better grow some more arms and get some more towels...
I wish shane luck he's gonna really need it. I don't knock him for loosing to floyd cause anyone he faces would, and mora makes any fight ugly, but manny is just too much for shane. But thank christ there is no stupid catchweight this time...makes the fight a whole lot more interesting.
This fight will not even be close to being remotely interesting.
Well done to pacroid for finally fighting a welter weight at 147. Major round of applause for that. But lets not forget who he's fighting.
Shane mosley was already old and then he aged a good 10 years between rounds 3 and 12 against Floyd Mayweather. He then went on to look pretty useless against sergio mora, an average fighter at best.
Before that Mosley beat the heck out of Antonio Margarito. An impressive win but was Tony's mind really on the fight that night? taking in to consideration 10 minutes earlier he'd been busted for illeagle handwraps. And let's not forget that fight was the best shane mosley had look in 5 years!
And before that.......
He struggled with Mayorga
Got beat by Cotto
Narrowly edged Colazo who was injured in that fight (correct me if I'm wrong)
To be honest pacroid should stop Mosley, I can't see old man Mosley bringing anything to the table.
Another farce of a pacroid fight.
Lap it up.
Narrowly edge Collazo, haha it was a completely one sided boxing lesson you clearly didn't even watch the fight.
Shane has looked no worse in recent fights than J M Marquez imo. Marquez lost to Floyd in an even more one sided way than Shane did, he also went life and death in fights with Casamayor, Diaz and most recently Katsidis.
Sure Mosely got a draw last time out against Mora, but Mora is an awkward opponent to look good against and virtually everyone though Mosley deserved the win, the HBO team had him well ahead and claimed the result was a travesty.
The cries that he is done and finised are a bit OTT. Marquez is routinely getting dropped in fights nowadays and having to really go to war to win.
I've seen nothing in their last 4 or 5 performances to suggest that Marquez is performing any better than Shane right now.
He struggled far more with Katsidis than Juan Diaz did, and he struggled more with Juan Diaz than Paulie Maliggnagi did.
Mosley has at least KO'd two huge strong fighters in Mayorga and Margarito. Sorry but Marquez ain't doing that to either of those guys,
This just seems like such a backwards step. You fight a guy who has already been taken to school by your biggest rival and whose best recent win is against a guy you pummeled in your last fight.
This fight is about the money, nothing else.
One last big pay day for Mosley, easy money against a big name for Pac.
Ok, not the best fight, but certainly not as bad as you are saying.
Dominated Collazo. Check it, it wasn't a close fight, Collazo did hurt his hand early on.
Mora is an ugly fight for anyone, and he beat Forrest, so Mosley didn't do too bad.
Mayweather, enough said.
Margarito was fresh off destroying Cotto, and the prediction for that fight was the same as this one.
Cotto- very close fight, and Shane had Cotto back pedaling the last half of the fight.
Overall, it will be an entertaining fight. And I would pick Mosley to beat JMM so not as interested in the threematch.
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Originally Posted by Hornfinger
It's not a crap fight but it's not exciting either. Shane has a little KO chance (10%), Pac's record will have a Shane victory on it (90%). I'd chose Marquez 3 all day long over this.
People wanted either Berto or JMM. But imo JMM doesn't belong anywhere north of 135 so for hardcore boxing fans it should have been Berto. Arum has the touch of turning shit into gold he could have promoted that fight, maybe it won't do as much as a Mosley/Pac fight but it would have kept the critics to a minimum and the only excuse would have been that Berto wasn't ready, but then again Berto has been a pro for 7 years already.
Agreed Pac Man would wipe JMM at welter and Manny would not go to a lower weight to accommodate plus he is much better than last they fought.
I can live with this fight. Obviously I'd rather see PBF - Pac but I think this is a dangerous fight for Pac and I feel if he takes a shot like Floyd did vs Shane it could well be all over at that point. I expect Pac to win but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Shane caught him.
Does this mean Mosley has officially left GBP?
Yep he sold his 1000k share or whatever it's worth.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Oscar and Dick Schaeffer are pissed that Shane got the fight instead of JMM.
Yes clear conflict of interest there for all parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYep he sold his 1000k share or whatever it's worth.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Oscar and Dick Schaeffer are pissed that Shane got the fight instead of JMM.
Ok Mosley beat up a guy that only had one functioning hand. Does that make you feel better? Cuz I'm telling you now it does fuck all for selling the fight to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
You overestimate yourself in thinking anybody gives two shits what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerOk Mosley beat up a guy that only had one functioning hand. Does that make you feel better? Cuz I'm telling you now it does fuck all for selling the fight to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboYou overestimate yourself in thinking anybody gives two shits what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerOk Mosley beat up a guy that only had one functioning hand. Does that make you feel better? Cuz I'm telling you now it does fuck all for selling the fight to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Bil, that was cold.
To be honest I don't think Mosley has much left in the tank, he looked crap against Mayorga, did nothing against Mayweather except for land a good shot very early, other than that he looked very amateurish... then failed to beat Mora...
I think he's getting one more big pay deal before retireing.
To be fair Collazo broke his hand in the 2nd round of his fight with Mosley. They had both taken a round each up until that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Well I don't see a cheerleading squad bigging up the pacquiao cock sucking, sycophantic bullshit and down right nonsence you spout. Maybe in your own little fantasy world, you're really popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by DildoYou overestimate yourself in thinking anybody gives two shits what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerOk Mosley beat up a guy that only had one functioning hand. Does that make you feel better? Cuz I'm telling you now it does fuck all for selling the fight to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dildo
Mosley is a name and that's all, he will be beaten up in this fight. He turns 40 in 2011
FFS!
This puts any Mayweather fight in November now. Is this really a fight that boxing fans even want to see? I mean I have nothing against Mosley, but Mayweather dismantled him. A win over Mosely adds nothing to Manny's CV and he is now making a real habit of fighting good fighters AFTER Mayweather has beaten them.
I understand that he is a little low on options. Khan and Bradley will likely face each other around the same time so I would rather see him face Berto if I'm honest.
Indeed I am. Sadly you are still considered a buffoon even there.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerWell I don't see a cheerleading squad bigging up the pacquiao cock sucking, sycophantic bullshit and down right nonsence you spout. Maybe in your own little fantasy world, you're really popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by DildoYou overestimate yourself in thinking anybody gives two shits what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerOk Mosley beat up a guy that only had one functioning hand. Does that make you feel better? Cuz I'm telling you now it does fuck all for selling the fight to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dildo
Most posters on here as well as writers on other news sites are pissed at this fight being made. But realistially, aside from JMM - name another fighter out there that can generate this kinda money for Pac? And can anyone on here honestly say that they beileve JMM has a better chance than Mosely against Pac at 147?
I honestly beileve this fight is just about staying busy and earning the $$$ until the fight we all want can be made. It's not like Pac is the kind of fighter to duck anyone or avoid a risky fight, he's allowed a gimme or two at this stage of his career. If picking and choosing easier fights now improvess the chances of a PBF fight at a later date then so be it!
Where was Clottey, Margarito in the P4P rankings before Manny fought them???
What about Mosley??
Those are his last three fights..
Although he could in the past I just don't think Mosley has enough in the tank and wont be able to handle the output of Pacquiao. He's not gonna one punch KO Pac and he's not gonna wear him down so I give him little to no chance at all. I know styles are always different but Cotto handled Mosley a few years ago with better counter punching and speed, and Pac is better at both. Mosley and team just looking for one more big paycheck and time in the spotlight.
I am disappointed in this match-up but your post makes sense. Between JMM and Mosley, Shane will generate the most money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
To those who are likewise disappointed in this fight being made, just think of it as a tune-up fight (although I believe Mosley has a chance no matter how slim it is). If Manny wins this, he has to fight again so this is the time for JMM and Berto to show that either of them deserves the next fight. JMM can do this going up in weigh and challenging someone notable in the 140 lb division, like the winner between Alexander vs Bradley. Berto can do this by fighting a well-known like Margarito or Cotto to obtain some recognition. Maybe, JMM can fight Berto at welterweight and we'll see how good he is at that division. His first try wasn't impressive but, then again, that was against Mayweather. One of them gets eliminated from contention and there won't be an excuse for Manny not to fight the winner of that bout.
Its just the standard is so high right now.
If Berto went on to beat Mosley. It would be the biggest win of his career.
Yeah Mosley looks shit but who is there to fight ? JMM is campaigning at 135.
we can consider this as stay busy fight with some money. and we know Pac will have at least two fights in 2011 so the other guys must impress to get that slot. I dont think Pac will go on vacation after this fight.
Well we called it a few weeks back after reading that Roach felt Shane should retire. Anyone trying to sell this fight as competitive is only fooling themselves so they can possibly justify spending 50 bucks on this crappy fight. I mean if Duran came out of retirement to face Pacman some idiots on here, (i say idiots because only idiots think mosley has a chance) would be selling the fact that Duran beat SSR as means to give him a chance.
Mosley is done. He will come in over trained. Once Manny takes his shot, Manny will start that bouncing in and out routine then Mosley will be stopped inside of 8. If Pbf would have picked up the pace he could have stopped shane not from punishment but from him being too tired to do anything. Manny will throw too many punches at Shane causing him to be stopped by Nazim on the stool or by the ref. This fight is a YAWN fest. Anyone selling this probably would sell PACMAN vs RJJ at 154 because that's where RJJ started his career.
He just fought Margarito....this is a step up..stfu already. Its a very legit fight, besides Shane needs some cash since he just got divorced. This is just as legit as if he fought Cotto, or Bradley/Alexander. Lets face facts he's is gonna be as fast as them and stronger. He's not gonna be stronger than Shane.
I still think its better then a Berto fight for him. Mannys talking about retirement afterall. Berto really in big picture has done nothing to cement notoriety or fan fare and is still a somewhat unproven commodity, full of potential yes but yet to be realized. Has some glaring flaws and has faced nothing even close to the breed of Manny. Aside from a trinket Pac gains nothing from beating him and stands to lose all. He'd be going from the shallows to the abyss in depth of experience...he had his mega fight and pulled out with the very same Mosley although 2,3 fts ago. He's young, undefeated, heavily groomed and has some so so defenses. Thats it. Wouldn't want to see Pac Davey Moore him.
Mosley's old as dirt but yet again Manny looks to equal if not one up a Mayweather victory. Name relevance. I think Mosley has the proverbial punchers chance but more then likely will end up resembling William Joppy after Bernard Hopkins got finished with him. Lumpy, swollen and distorted.
For 3 rounds until he gasses out and realises that Manny is faster than anyone he has ever faced. He went into a shell as soon as he realised that Floyd was too quick. Manny is not only quick but throws rapid fire combinations at the rate of about 80-100 per round. As if Mosley at 40 is going to be able to deal with it. His only realistic opportunity is landing a homerun.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
I say this as a fan of Mosley. If he had been convincing against Mora and won some roudns against Mayweather I would be thinking differently. But he failed to land many flush shots against Mora and took only a round against Mayweather. Hatton performed better than Mosley against Floyd at WW and that is something you just wouldn't expect. In both fights Mosley's looked fatigued fairly early on and it was only heart and will that got him through until the end. He's lost a step and you can't gas in 4 against Pac. It could be messy.
I just don't want to see it. The best fighter in the world can do better than fight a 40 year old who hasn't won in 3 years. It's the kind of thing we always blamed Floyd for doing and here is Manny Pac doing much the same.
Yeah a good tune up for Manny at the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesFor 3 rounds until he gasses out and realises that Manny is faster than anyone he has ever faced. He went into a shell as soon as he realised that Floyd was too quick. Manny is not only quick but throws rapid fire combinations at the rate of about 80-100 per round. As if Mosley at 40 is going to be able to deal with it. His only realistic opportunity is landing a homerun.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
I say this as a fan of Mosley. If he had been convincing against Mora and won some roudns against Mayweather I would be thinking differently. But he failed to land many flush shots against Mora and took only a round against Mayweather. Hatton performed better than Mosley against Floyd at WW and that is something you just wouldn't expect. In both fights Mosley's looked fatigued fairly early on and it was only heart and will that got him through until the end. He's lost a step and you can't gas in 4 against Pac. It could be messy.
I just don't want to see it. The best fighter in the world can do better than fight a 40 year old who hasn't won in 3 years. It's the kind of thing we always blamed Floyd for doing and here is Manny Pac doing much the same.
Mosley in his prime against Manny now; maybe would be a touch more interesting.
Long controlling jabs are what keep Mosleys style at bay, I cant see that happening with Mannys style so maybe it will be ok for few rounds.
I think Shane will get caught hard in this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1LGWM5ONHs
he has a point.
pac ko 9
I think this fight is gonna be better than anyone is expecting, because we all know that boxing fans are never wrong with their predictions.:rolleyes: Just like Ali could never beat Liston or Foreman.:D