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To be fair, it's possible neither of the Klitschko's were any better than Helenius at 15-0, in fact both lost when stepping up in competition. At this point Helenius stands little chance at defeating the Klitschko's. No sense in wasting the man, let him learn his trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
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Originally Posted by MGGTo be fair, it's possible neither of the Klitschko's were any better than Helenius at 15-0, in fact both lost when stepping up in competition. At this point Helenius stands little chance at defeating the Klitschko's. No sense in wasting the man, let him learn his trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Helenius gets beat by any top ten heavyweight.
Helenius is 27....he needs to stay active and get in better shape. By comparison when Wlad was 27 he had like 40 fights already....so looking at their records it's not exactly apples to apples when you compare the 15-0 marks. Fighters move along at different paces and Helenius seems good enough to me to really start testing himself on a regular basis vs the top contendersQuote:
Originally Posted by MGGTo be fair, it's possible neither of the Klitschko's were any better than Helenius at 15-0, in fact both lost when stepping up in competition. At this point Helenius stands little chance at defeating the Klitschko's. No sense in wasting the man, let him learn his trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Hulk, I'm not saying it's not a good win for Helenius, I'm just (as a fan) disgusted by how Sam Peter came in to fight, or shall I correct myself and say "lay down"...I don't put the stoppage of a 260 pound Sam Peter on par with Wlad's stoppage of a 241 pound Sam Peter. Yes Sam Peter has power regardless of his weight and yes he has a good chin regardless of his weight, but his stamina and drive to win are very much affected by his weight (as we saw vs Eddie Chambers). Yes it is impressive that Helenius got the KO (by the way, Wlad's win was also a KO at least it's marked that on boxrec), but Sam came into the fight a beaten man...260, I mean Hell did he train at all?!?!
I think a good match up for the division and honestly for both fighters is Helenius-Povetkin or maybe Pianetta, Pulev, or any other undefeated youngster....but I highly doubt that will happen so I'll suggest the more realistic matchup vs one of the following: Cedric Boswell, Jean Marc Mormeck, or some other durable veteran just so he can stay busy and get rounds in. Boswell is 41, he's been looking for a higher profile fight...granted he probably would rather have a title shot, but he's not getting one because of the competition he has fought....he would still be a good fight for Helenius.
Word on the street is Helenius is being groomed to have a showdown with Dimitrenko.....after beating the fat but still dangerous Sam Peter you've got to like Helenius' chances, though I was equally surprised Dimitrenko was able to stop Sosnowski.
Good match up if it gets made.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
You seem to get surprised when anyone gets a better result against a common opponent than a Klitschko;)
Your response begs the question "Who do you think hits harder: Vitali Klitschko or Alexander Dimitrenko?" also one would point out Dimitrenko's "fainting" spell which pushed this fight back. I thought Sosnowski gave a good account of himself vs Vitali....why hate on me for being shocked that a guy who was getting roughed up by Luan Krasniqi until he landed a prayer of a body punch had an easier time with the far fresher Sosnowski?Quote:
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
You seem to get surprised when anyone gets a better result against a common opponent than a Klitschko;)
You may just be trying to wind me up, but there's reason to be impressed and shocked by both especially seeing how I had picked Sosnowski and (if properly trained) Sam Peter to win those fights and that had 0 to do with anything Klitschko related.