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erics44 in talking sense shocker. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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Originally Posted by Mark TKO
i dont think he was a nob, what was he suppose to say
why didnt khans team just admit that it shouldnt have been stopped but there was nothing they could do?
why come up with some nonesense like saying he pulled out?
LOL @ Missy... 'Paki Power' ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Still don't understand what that group of 'Khan Fan's have to do with Khan himself though ???
He was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
I'm impressed with the rest of his technical analysis, how he could improve Amir's stance, accuracy and mental outlook etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
Do you have a big stable DogBountyHunter? Must have a made produced a few world champs in your time I reckon?
You don't need to have ever boxed to be a boxing expert. Just the other day I found out on here that Floyd Mayweather jr, Olympic medal winner and multi-weight unbeaten world champion, has spent his entire life breathing wrong when he throws punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI'm impressed with the rest of his technical analysis, how he could improve Amir's stance, accuracy and mental outlook etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
Do you have a big stable DogBountyHunter? Must have a made produced a few world champs in your time I reckon?
Just think how well Floyd could have done if he was aware of this flaw.
I remember that post. ;D Absolutely priceless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The immortal Taeth. We've had a few great trainers on this site...Quote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantzI remember that post. ;D Absolutely priceless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Ironically the only one who has actually trained world champions never criticises any fighters.
I watched the fight last night despite feeling like sh**, and Paul McCloskey was never in the fight. He was quite slick and Amir Khan didn't land many clean punches, but Paul McCloskey wasn't throwing any punches himself, except the odd jab and straight left hand. But never in combinations just one punch at a time.
I agree with what Bilbo said in the other thread, the way the fight ended was the best Paul McCloskey could of hoped for. Because he would of just gone on to lose a very wide decision, or possibly worse because Amir Khan was landing a bit more frequently.
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Originally Posted by ICB
Even the BBC were of the opinion he quit. This is from their report
'At first the previously unbeaten McCloskey offered little in the way of a protest, perhaps sensing the tide in the fight was turning, although when interviewed afterwards he toed the party line that he had in fact been cheated'.
Even during the post fight interview he was trying to justify why he didn't ask to carry saying that the way the referee was looking at him made him think it was really bad.
Just watching his interaction with the doctor he was clearly not make any attempts to say he wanted to fight on.
I think from the referee's point of view he just saw a guy losing every round, who was now cut, didn't seem impassioned about fighting on and so stopped the fight.
It was a premature stoppage certainly, but no conspiracy. Alexander did the same against Tim Bradley and couldn't continue because of a headbutt in a fight he was losing. But because people don't detest Bradley the same way as they do Khan they didn't start creating silly threads saying how Alexander was on the verge of turning it all around and would have knocked Bradley out had that not happened.
Easy win for Khan, lack lustre effort from McKloskey who was out of his depth, move on to the Tim Bradley in the summer. As a Khan fan even I'm sceptical of his ability to win this fight however, Bradley is going to be one hell of a tough opponent for him.
I actually thought Alexander/Bradley was quite even, and when i looked the punchstats they were pretty even aswell which is the way i saw it. But i agree Devon Alexander bottled it in a big fight and didn't give it everything he had.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Even the BBC were of the opinion he quit. This is from their report
'At first the previously unbeaten McCloskey offered little in the way of a protest, perhaps sensing the tide in the fight was turning, although when interviewed afterwards he toed the party line that he had in fact been cheated'.
Even during the post fight interview he was trying to justify why he didn't ask to carry saying that the way the referee was looking at him made him think it was really bad.
Just watching his interaction with the doctor he was clearly not make any attempts to say he wanted to fight on.
I think from the referee's point of view he just saw a guy losing every round, who was now cut, didn't seem impassioned about fighting on and so stopped the fight.
It was a premature stoppage certainly, but no conspiracy. Alexander did the same against Tim Bradley and couldn't continue because of a headbutt in a fight he was losing. But because people don't detest Bradley the same way as they do Khan they didn't start creating silly threads saying how Alexander was on the verge of turning it all around and would have knocked Bradley out had that not happened.
Easy win for Khan, lack lustre effort from McKloskey who was out of his depth, move on to the Tim Bradley in the summer. As a Khan fan even I'm sceptical of his ability to win this fight however, Bradley is going to be one hell of a tough opponent for him.
As for Timothy Bradley he's one of those guys, that isn't that special in one area. Even when he fights its not spectacular, But he's a good allrounder and he gets the job done.
But he'll be there for 12 rounds against Amir Khan, and this will be the most skilled opponent Amir Khan has ever faced.
But maybe Timothy Bradley hasn't quite got the speed or power to beat Amir Khan ? but who knows Timothy Bradley is quite a good counter puncher, and he's very good at adapting to certain situations so its hard to tell im going to sit on the fence.
All this irrational hate for Khan is making me a fan of his. :-\
All i'd say is that Khan won the 6 rounds, no doubt, but he won them for me purely by way of activity, McCloskey made him look very very silly for alot of those rounds. This on the other hand has nothing to do with the fact that McCloskey was humble and factual. Khan on the other hand, is living in a borderline fantasy land. That he is way above McCloskey at World level, McCloskey made him look like it was his first day at the gym on some occasions during those 6 rounds. I really would love to see some compubox stats for thrown and landed by Khan, bet they are all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoHe was stood in the ring bitching about Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianDon'ty agree with that mate, thought McCloskey was humble and straight up.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
He fought like an idiot for 6 rounds, didn't even come close to winning a round, and then had the audacity to claim Khan isn't anywhere near as good as the other top fighters in the division.
There's a few ounces of me that still like Khan for his ability, so I will tune in for the Bradley fight believeing it will be a cracker personally.
But that can happen in Boxing. Certain styles can make certain fighters look terrible. McCloskey has a terrible style for anybody to look good against. He leans so far back that you have to reach if you are going to land anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianAll i'd say is that Khan won the 6 rounds, no doubt, but he won them for me purely by way of activity, McCloskey made him look very very silly for alot of those rounds. This on the other hand has nothing to do with the fact that McCloskey was humble and factual. Khan on the other hand, is living in a borderline fantasy land. That he is way above McCloskey at World level, McCloskey made him look like it was his first day at the gym on some occasions during those 6 rounds. I really would love to see some compubox stats for thrown and landed by Khan, bet they are all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoHe was stood in the ring bitching about Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianDon'ty agree with that mate, thought McCloskey was humble and straight up.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
He fought like an idiot for 6 rounds, didn't even come close to winning a round, and then had the audacity to claim Khan isn't anywhere near as good as the other top fighters in the division.
Khan forced it and that's why he looked so bad, but if he had have relaxed a bit more and picked his shots, he would have been criticised for being so cautious against such a mediocre opponent.
He's obviously way above McCloskey at world level. He fought like an absolute novice by your own admission, yet he was still 6-0 up.
i kind if agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
i wanted dudey to win, but the fact is he didnt look anything like winning, yeah if it had have gone on he may have pulled something out of the bag, but (as much as it pains me to say) it would more likely have gone the way khan suggested it would
it was very unfortunate the way it was stopped but at the same time he didnt do anything that suggested he deserves a rematch
the ref and doctor should be banned and hopefully dudey will get a bigger fight on the back of it
Maybe all that effort he put into getting up is what gassed him out?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
By the way anybody know if there's any truth to the rumor that Con threatened to have McCrappy's house blown up?
Incorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
So when can we look forward to seeing you in the ring to show these guys how it's done?Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIncorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
If you need a scouting report on a fighter let me know. This is my passion. I am not some know it all but I have a good eye for boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboSo when can we look forward to seeing you in the ring to show these guys how it's done?Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIncorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
How about a scouting report on Donaire then? The new flavor of the month. Not taking the piss, but just for fun I would want to know what your report is on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIf you need a scouting report on a fighter let me know. This is my passion. I am not some know it all but I have a good eye for boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboSo when can we look forward to seeing you in the ring to show these guys how it's done?Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIncorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
You want to know how to beat him ?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogHow about a scouting report on Donaire then? The new flavor of the month. Not taking the piss, but just for fun I would want to know what your report is on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIf you need a scouting report on a fighter let me know. This is my passion. I am not some know it all but I have a good eye for boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboSo when can we look forward to seeing you in the ring to show these guys how it's done?Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIncorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
That was the 11th round after he just survived being smashed from pillar to post in the previous round. I think it indicates mental strength not weakness. He was quickly able to grasp the danger of the situation he was in, and getting to the final bell without taking anymore risks was imperative.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIncorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
Anyway..
So you're saying it's a mental problem that leads Khan to consistently make a technical flaw?
1. How do you know Khan is even aware he is doing it?
2. Doesn't the fault lie with Freddie Roach? He should be able to spot/correct this flaw, no?
Freddie can only do so much. Khan can't help himself because in his mind he is world champ so why fix anything. I am sure Freddie has told Amir not to lean when throwing combinations. And for Berto he was looking around many different times during the fight to his corner, glancing at the clock even at Lou Dibella. Both lack the next level mental abilities to flow as one between mind and body. They are much more hyped than they are world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat was the 11th round after he just survived being smashed from pillar to post in the previous round. I think it indicates mental strength not weakness. He was quickly able to grasp the danger of the situation he was in, and getting to the final bell without taking anymore risks was imperative.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIncorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
Anyway..
So you're saying it's a mental problem that leads Khan to consistently make a technical flaw?
1. How do you know Khan is even aware he is doing it?
2. Doesn't the fault lie with Freddie Roach? He should be able to spot/correct this flaw, no?
I hate this argument. There is nothing to suggest that in terms of analysing a sport an armchair fan has to have actually put on gloves to know anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboSo when can we look forward to seeing you in the ring to show these guys how it's done?Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIncorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
As an 'unqualified' teacher I had many assumptions about the learning process which I found were quite correct having become 'qualified'. You can apply that to most things. If you follow something enough you are able to make pretty effective deductions about what it is you are following. You don't need a degree in politics to understand world affairs and you don't need to be a professional fighter to know anything about this.
Dogthebountyhunter is simply applying what he has seen of boxing and making deductions about a particular fighter. It is preposterous to suggest that he need lace up before forming an opinion. A lot of it is just common sense.
How bout we all agree that I was right all those years ago he's an arrogant little twat :) now we can all be friends again
He is "world" champ. He is the WBA lightwelterweight champion. He is universally recoginised as the no.2 lightwelter in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterFreddie can only do so much. Khan can't help himself because in his mind he is world champ so why fix anything. I am sure Freddie has told Amir not to lean when throwing combinations. And for Berto he was looking around many different times during the fight to his corner, glancing at the clock even at Lou Dibella. Both lack the next level mental abilities to flow as one between mind and body. They are much more hyped than they are world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat was the 11th round after he just survived being smashed from pillar to post in the previous round. I think it indicates mental strength not weakness. He was quickly able to grasp the danger of the situation he was in, and getting to the final bell without taking anymore risks was imperative.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIncorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
Anyway..
So you're saying it's a mental problem that leads Khan to consistently make a technical flaw?
1. How do you know Khan is even aware he is doing it?
2. Doesn't the fault lie with Freddie Roach? He should be able to spot/correct this flaw, no?
Whether you like it or not that makes him world-class.
Khan relocated from England to Los Angles to specifically IMPROVE under Freddie Roach. He travels around the world to train with Manny Pac. Khan clearly shows a desire to constantly IMPROVE himself. Is Khan still the same fighter that was trained by Oliver Harrison? If so, it is the fault of Freddie Roach. Freddie clearly can't eradicate this supposed huge flaw you've spotted.
Totally disagree with this Miles. Once you've been in there & the more experience you get, the more you start to notice with what fighters are doing. You don't need to be a professional fighter, but you need to have been in a gym & boxed at some level yourself imo. A lot of fans think fighters should do something without realizing the dangers of that action.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Anyway back to the thread topic, I think it's ridiculous that McCloskey is humble for what he says yet Khan is an arrogant knob for saying the same. I don't think McCloskey quit, but he certainly didn't look like a guy desperate to stay in there & he fought in a way that would make Audley proud. If he'd done that for the first 2-3 rounds I'd allow it, but six rounds? I think he landed one clean punch all fight. Khan on the other hand had started finding his range and staggering him that round & I said prior to the stoppage to my dad that Khan would stop him that round or the next. Except it was probably all part of Dudey's gameplan to take a few shots & make Amir tire himself out even more :rolleyes:
I think Khan is a genuinely nice guy, and it was seeing this video after the Maidana fight that made me a fan. He actually went to the Maidana dressing room to personally apologize for Alex Ariza's abuse of Miguel Diaz, something that to me shows a lot of class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulWYV...eature=related
I'm sure someone will find something wrong with his behaviour then. He probably didn't hand over the title to Maidana or something.
I disagree. Fighters have the experience of getting hit on the head so know what it all feels like and of course they spar etc, but I disagree when you have people like Mayweather telling someone like Merchant that his opinion doesn't matter because he hasn't boxed. A fan is able to analyse technique and strategy from afar and some are very good at it. It is not something I can do particularly well, but there are some knowledgeable people on forums.
I certainly feel I know a lot more about boxing than Kid Thunder, but he has a darn sight more experience in the ring than I do. I think you only have to listen to George Foreman commentating to realise that even some of the greats are not so adept at analysing what is going on in the ring.
That's being good & articulate on TV, a totally different skillset. I fully agree with fighters telling a guy like Merchant about what he knows. How often does Merchant give any insight into any of the technical aspects? When Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones & George Foreman have all told you that you don't know what you're on about, they're probably right ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Kid Thunder is not what I'm talking about. He's not had any basic amateur training, he's basically a guy off the road getting into a ring. I'm talking about at least learning the basics as an amateur. Pros don't necessarily know more, but if you've laced them up and learnt to box (not fight which is what KT trys & fails to do), you'll see different things.
I'm not saying some fans can't analyse very well, but I sincerely doubt that they've got more insight than people whose whole lives have been boxing.
I can imagine Missy watching that and thinking 'Look at that gutless two faced, cowardly prick being respectful when he's in the dressing room when we know full well he's actually just a cock.'Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTotally disagree with this Miles. Once you've been in there & the more experience you get, the more you start to notice with what fighters are doing. You don't need to be a professional fighter, but you need to have been in a gym & boxed at some level yourself imo. A lot of fans think fighters should do something without realizing the dangers of that action.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Anyway back to the thread topic, I think it's ridiculous that McCloskey is humble for what he says yet Khan is an arrogant knob for saying the same. I don't think McCloskey quit, but he certainly didn't look like a guy desperate to stay in there & he fought in a way that would make Audley proud. If he'd done that for the first 2-3 rounds I'd allow it, but six rounds? I think he landed one clean punch all fight. Khan on the other hand had started finding his range and staggering him that round & I said prior to the stoppage to my dad that Khan would stop him that round or the next. Except it was probably all part of Dudey's gameplan to take a few shots & make Amir tire himself out even more :rolleyes:
I think Khan is a genuinely nice guy, and it was seeing this video after the Maidana fight that made me a fan. He actually went to the Maidana dressing room to personally apologize for Alex Ariza's abuse of Miguel Diaz, something that to me shows a lot of class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulWYVoEjT9g&feature=related
I'm sure someone will find something wrong with his behaviour then. He probably didn't hand over the title to Maidana or something.
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Originally Posted by milesI hate this argument. There is nothing to suggest that in terms of analysing a sport an armchair fan has to have actually put on gloves to know anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboSo when can we look forward to seeing you in the ring to show these guys how it's done?Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunterIncorrect. The gist of my post is that he has a weak mental makeup for boxing. His physical skills are fantastic but his mental capacity does not allow him to reach the next level. for example his combinations are as fast as any fighter out there @ 140 but then he leans forward which takes out some of the power and accuracy. He can hardly relax so he is tiring more than he should be and punches are effecting him more than if he was properly relaxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHe was gassed out in under 60 seconds against Prescott? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogTheBountyHunter
The gist of your post seems to be that Khan has a weak chin which will lead to his downfall. Hmmm... this type of alternative thinking needs some serious thought.
When he fought Maidana he was looking up at the scoreboard for time. That is an amateur move and a fighter should always be focused on his opponent at all times. If that happens in a fight it is usually a move done by the loser of the bout. We saw that on Saturday with Berto as well. Berto is another case. All the skills yet he fights on his heels flat footed.
As an 'unqualified' teacher I had many assumptions about the learning process which I found were quite correct having become 'qualified'. You can apply that to most things. If you follow something enough you are able to make pretty effective deductions about what it is you are following. You don't need a degree in politics to understand world affairs and you don't need to be a professional fighter to know anything about this.
Dogthebountyhunter is simply applying what he has seen of boxing and making deductions about a particular fighter. It is preposterous to suggest that he need lace up before forming an opinion. A lot of it is just common sense.
Thank you for being the voice of reason. Exactly simple observations that is all.
I live in the county that's right next to LA where the Wildcard Gym is, maybe when Manny trains there I should go visit and talk strategy and technique with Manny because I have subscriptions to HBO and Showtime and watch a lot of boxing while sitting on my couch. That right there gives me the credibility to tell an atg fighter on what he's doing right or wrong in the ring.;D
Larry Merchant knows his sport, but for sure doesn't really get into technicalities. But my argument is that neither does someone like George Foreman. He was an awful commentator who always seemed to be on a different planet. You compare that with Jones who usually sounds quite adroit. It depends on the individual, and the level of depth and insight can actually sometimes be more insightful from boxing expert who doesn't box rather than the retired pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThat's being good & articulate on TV, a totally different skillset. I fully agree with fighters telling a guy like Merchant about what he knows. How often does Merchant give any insight into any of the technical aspects? When Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones & George Foreman have all told you that you don't know what you're on about, they're probably right ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Kid Thunder is not what I'm talking about. He's not had any basic amateur training, he's basically a guy off the road getting into a ring. I'm talking about at least learning the basics as an amateur. Pros don't necessarily know more, but if you've laced them up and learnt to box (not fight which is what KT trys & fails to do), you'll see different things.
I'm not saying some fans can't analyse very well, but I sincerely doubt that they've got more insight than people whose whole lives have been boxing.
No doubt that a skilled amateur knows what it is like to trade punches and work out etc, but at the end of the day even pro fighters have their shortcomings. If they were so knowledgable you would expect every fighter to be versatile and to be able to adapt to each opponent. It is easier said than done. You look at fighters who are somewhat one dimensional. If they had such a deep understanding of the sport then why are they so limited technically. At the end of the day if you box or don't box, a knowledgeable practitioner or observer will see things that a novice practitioner or observer won't see. I don't neccessarily think you need to be wearing gloves to see these things. I do think that the perspective is quite different, but not always less informed.
Anyway, this is detracting from another Khan slag off thread, so I will abstain and let the other combatants continue.
Girls Bitchslapping Contest
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Some pro's seem to waffle along without ever making a worthwhile observation. That's true. You see this in all sports. However, they do have an understanding of how things like pressure, bottle, fear and what sacrifices are made to get their bodies ready for a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesLarry Merchant knows his sport, but for sure doesn't really get into technicalities. But my argument is that neither does someone like George Foreman. He was an awful commentator who always seemed to be on a different planet. You compare that with Jones who usually sounds quite adroit. It depends on the individual, and the level of depth and insight can actually sometimes be more insightful from boxing expert who doesn't box rather than the retired pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThat's being good & articulate on TV, a totally different skillset. I fully agree with fighters telling a guy like Merchant about what he knows. How often does Merchant give any insight into any of the technical aspects? When Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones & George Foreman have all told you that you don't know what you're on about, they're probably right ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Kid Thunder is not what I'm talking about. He's not had any basic amateur training, he's basically a guy off the road getting into a ring. I'm talking about at least learning the basics as an amateur. Pros don't necessarily know more, but if you've laced them up and learnt to box (not fight which is what KT trys & fails to do), you'll see different things.
I'm not saying some fans can't analyse very well, but I sincerely doubt that they've got more insight than people whose whole lives have been boxing.
No doubt that a skilled amateur knows what it is like to trade punches and work out etc, but at the end of the day even pro fighters have their shortcomings. If they were so knowledgable you would expect every fighter to be versatile and to be able to adapt to each opponent. It is easier said than done. You look at fighters who are somewhat one dimensional. If they had such a deep understanding of the sport then why are they so limited technically. At the end of the day if you box or don't box, a knowledgeable practitioner or observer will see things that a novice practitioner or observer won't see. I don't neccessarily think you need to be wearing gloves to see these things. I do think that the perspective is quite different, but not always less informed.
Anyway, this is detracting from another Khan slag off thread, so I will abstain and let the other combatants continue.
This is something I think most fans totally ignore.
I've seen McCloskey being called a "bum" and criticized for his lack of effort numerous times since Saturday. However, his job is as a supermarket manager (which basically makes him a part-time boxer) and had never come close to fighting in front of 18,000 people in a headlining PPV event. He must have been shitting himself. He trained his arse off. Yet many fans have rubbished him for not being able to compete with the no.2 ranked 140 fighter in the world.
And yet Khan is also regarded as a "bum" or "fraud" or "hypejob" by many. He's under extreme pressure too. He trained his arse off too. Some fans don't seem to realise the talent level required for fighters to get in the position they do. That probably comes down to a lack of understanding ;)
YouTube - AMIR KHAN EXPOSED + Why I Left Boxing (Part 2) by Anthony Small aka Abdul HuqQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboI can imagine Missy watching that and thinking 'Look at that gutless two faced, cowardly prick being respectful when he's in the dressing room when we know full well he's actually just a cock.'Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTotally disagree with this Miles. Once you've been in there & the more experience you get, the more you start to notice with what fighters are doing. You don't need to be a professional fighter, but you need to have been in a gym & boxed at some level yourself imo. A lot of fans think fighters should do something without realizing the dangers of that action.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Anyway back to the thread topic, I think it's ridiculous that McCloskey is humble for what he says yet Khan is an arrogant knob for saying the same. I don't think McCloskey quit, but he certainly didn't look like a guy desperate to stay in there & he fought in a way that would make Audley proud. If he'd done that for the first 2-3 rounds I'd allow it, but six rounds? I think he landed one clean punch all fight. Khan on the other hand had started finding his range and staggering him that round & I said prior to the stoppage to my dad that Khan would stop him that round or the next. Except it was probably all part of Dudey's gameplan to take a few shots & make Amir tire himself out even more :rolleyes:
I think Khan is a genuinely nice guy, and it was seeing this video after the Maidana fight that made me a fan. He actually went to the Maidana dressing room to personally apologize for Alex Ariza's abuse of Miguel Diaz, something that to me shows a lot of class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulWYVoEjT9g&feature=related
I'm sure someone will find something wrong with his behaviour then. He probably didn't hand over the title to Maidana or something.
haha so you'd even take Anthony Small over poor Amir ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyYouTube - AMIR KHAN EXPOSED + Why I Left Boxing (Part 2) by Anthony Small aka Abdul HuqQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
burn in hell fire Amir Khan :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboI can imagine Missy watching that and thinking 'Look at that gutless two faced, cowardly prick being respectful when he's in the dressing room when we know full well he's actually just a cock.'Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTotally disagree with this Miles. Once you've been in there & the more experience you get, the more you start to notice with what fighters are doing. You don't need to be a professional fighter, but you need to have been in a gym & boxed at some level yourself imo. A lot of fans think fighters should do something without realizing the dangers of that action.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Anyway back to the thread topic, I think it's ridiculous that McCloskey is humble for what he says yet Khan is an arrogant knob for saying the same. I don't think McCloskey quit, but he certainly didn't look like a guy desperate to stay in there & he fought in a way that would make Audley proud. If he'd done that for the first 2-3 rounds I'd allow it, but six rounds? I think he landed one clean punch all fight. Khan on the other hand had started finding his range and staggering him that round & I said prior to the stoppage to my dad that Khan would stop him that round or the next. Except it was probably all part of Dudey's gameplan to take a few shots & make Amir tire himself out even more :rolleyes:
I think Khan is a genuinely nice guy, and it was seeing this video after the Maidana fight that made me a fan. He actually went to the Maidana dressing room to personally apologize for Alex Ariza's abuse of Miguel Diaz, something that to me shows a lot of class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulWYVoEjT9g&feature=related
I'm sure someone will find something wrong with his behaviour then. He probably didn't hand over the title to Maidana or something.
YouTube - AMIR KHAN EXPOSED + Why I Left Boxing (Part 2) by Anthony Small aka Abdul Huq
YouTube - EsNewsReporting.com - Amir Khan Talks McCloskey Fight, Maidana, Critics
all the crowd get on? Really. I've been to a segregated Khan fight.
mccloskey a big hitter?
mong :cool: pleaded not guilty not then admitted speeding..
YouTube - Another Day In Court
doesn't matter as I'm with Kat on this one. He was a twat when he came along and said he could beat mayweather and he's still a twat now.