Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:

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This thread is bs anyways, I don't know about you guys but I could give a rats ass what the boxers make. I just want to see the best fight the best. Seems like some people care more about contract negotiations than the actual fights. My opinion is let the promotors handle this crap, and let us know when the contracts are signed. It's kind of like the NFL situation currently. Hey if you enjoy this type of stuff have at it, but it really bores the crap out of me.

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Originally Posted by No Contest

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:

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This thread is bs anyways, I don't know about you guys but I could give a rats ass what the boxers make. I just want to see the best fight the best. Seems like some people care more about contract negotiations than the actual fights. My opinion is let the promotors handle this crap, and let us know when the contracts are signed. It's kind of like the NFL situation currently. Hey if you enjoy this type of stuff have at it, but it really bores the crap out of me.

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In the fight game negotiations are 90%, training 7%, the fight makes up the rest (these are really real fact numbers from a reliable anonymous source) The reason we talk about this stuff so much is because it's what we have the most to talk about.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:

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This thread is bs anyways, I don't know about you guys but I could give a rats ass what the boxers make. I just want to see the best fight the best. Seems like some people care more about contract negotiations than the actual fights. My opinion is let the promotors handle this crap, and let us know when the contracts are signed. It's kind of like the NFL situation currently. Hey if you enjoy this type of stuff have at it, but it really bores the crap out of me.

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I agree, I couldn't give a flying fuck how much money these guys are making. I care about how well they do their job, not how much money they make doing it. That is why Floyd and his mouth is really irritating, just shut up and fight someone you tax avoiding, money loving booby! :rolleyes:

Money is a very boring subject to talk about.

I dont feel either Khan or Bradley are big box office , but they should fight to see who is the best.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I dont feel either Khan or Bradley are big box office , but they should fight to see who is the best.

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Agreed, Bradley should take the money and not worry about what Khan is making. Bradley can beat Khan and make even more money against Floyd or Pac Man.

Dan Raf's blog: http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...-falling-apart

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When HBO decided to get deeply involved in the junior welterweight division in 2010 by making commitments to Amir Khan, Timothy Bradley Jr. and Devon Alexander, as well as putting Marcos Maidana on again, the idea was to create excitement in a division that is top-heavy with young talent.

Ideally, there would have been an unofficial tournament and a series of great fights culminating in the unification of most of the belts and a No. 1 fighter in the 140-pound division being crowned -- not to mention a potential pay-per-view opponent emerging for Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Manny Pacquiao (before Top Rank took Pacquiao from HBO to Showtime).

The plan started off with a bang. Khan fought Maidana in December in a tremendous fight, which will be honored next week in Las Vegas at the annual Boxing Writers Association of America awards dinner as the 2010 fight of the year.

But then Bradley and Alexander met in January to unify their belts. Great idea on paper, but a horrendous stinker in the ring, exacerbated by an inexplicable guarantee by HBO to pay hefty fees for their next fights, win or lose.

Bradley-Alexander ended in an unsatisfying technical decision in a venue where it didn't belong -- the cavernous Silverdome in Pontiac, Mich., where few cared to come out on a bitterly cold and snowy night. Even if the weather had been great, Bradley and Alexander had no connection to the region. Co-promoters Gary Shaw and Don King took the fight there because Silverdome owner Andreas Apostolopoulous paid in the neighborhood of $600,000 to host the fight. Why? Who knows, but he did and the promoters took the money rather than try to cultivate an event in St. Louis, where Alexander is a good draw.

To top it off, the fight did a miserable rating, considering the $3 million or so HBO paid for it and all the marketing assets it put behind the fight. The public, largely unfamiliar with either guy, basically ignored it. I won't second-guess the making of the fight at all. You win some, you lose some. But the problem is that HBO remains on the hook to pay big money for the fighters' next bouts, which is an issue as it tries to lock down Bradley-Khan for the finale of the unofficial tournament.

Specifically, HBO wants to put on Bradley-Khan in another unification bout on July 23.

Khan easily won an interim bout April 16 against Paul McCloskey and worked out his deal with promoter Golden Boy to face Bradley. Golden Boy's Richard Schaefer and Shaw cut their deal, as well as one with HBO, which is willing to pay $3 million for the fight.

The last piece of the puzzle was for Shaw to come to terms with Bradley and his managers, Cameron Dunkin and Michael Miller. That's where it gets sticky and that's why it doesn't look like the fight will happen, unless something radically changes between Shaw and Team Bradley.

They disagree on the money, naturally, and if you know Dunkin and Shaw, that won't be easy to overcome. They get along about as well as Democrats and Republicans.

"I can't even get into it. It is not going well," Dunkin said to me about the talks on Wednesday. "That is all I'm gonna say."

I guess it's possible that HBO could throw more money at the fight to bridge the gap, but don't count on it; $3 million is already a huge number for the fight, especially when Khan-Bradley could end up like Bradley-Alexander: ugly in the ring (think Khan's sometimes-awkward style versus Bradley's penchant for head-butts) and without serious public demand.

Khan did a big crowd of about 17,000 in his native England for the McCloskey fight, but he's not yet that kind of draw in America, where the fight is supposed to take place (Las Vegas or Southern California).

Bradley is a non-entity when it comes to selling tickets in the United States -- another reason why his HBO fees are so out of whack with reality. He hasn't even been able to sell out a 2,000-seat ballroom in a casino minutes from his hometown of Palm Springs, Calif. (If Bradley-Khan actually does come off, it belongs in England, but that ain't happening.)

Shaw told me that Bradley and his managers rejected an offer of more than $1.3 million for the fight, which probably would generate somewhere in the neighborhood of $3.3 million (HBO money, gate, sponsors and foreign TV minus expenses). Dunkin confirmed the offer.

Bradley's number could rise depending on the variables of the revenues (other than the HBO money) because he and Shaw maintain an 80-20 split of the profit (80 percent to Bradley).

That's an enormous payday for Bradley, considering he has no real public profile and would be making about $200,000 more than he made to fight Alexander. Some might think Shaw should pay him more. Others might think Bradley is a fool to turn down that kind of money. But this is an important factor to consider: When HBO made Bradley-Alexander, each guy was guaranteed at least a $1.2 million fight in his return, win or lose.

Alexander's is June 25 against Lucas Matthysse. Bradley's is supposed to be against Khan. But here's the position of Bradley's team: Why not just take a $1.2 million fight against, theoretically, an easier opponent, instead of facing Khan for a few dollars more? That is not an unreasonable position.

According to Shaw, Bradley's deal with HBO had four pre-approved opponents for his first post-Alexander fight (win or lose): Alexander in a rematch at HBO's option (obviously not happening), Andre Berto (who lost his welterweight belt April 16 and is unavailable), Maidana (Golden Boy has other plans) and Khan.

Also, according to Shaw and Dunkin, Bradley's next fight is due to take place by June 30, which is when Bradley's deal with Shaw expires. Bradley was willing to put off the fight for an extra three weeks because HBO has no dates available before the end of June, but if he doesn't take the Khan fight, he may be waiting a lot longer. (Keep in mind, there aren't likely a whole lot of fans desperate to see Khan-Bradley right now, so if it doesn't happen, so be it.)

In that case, Khan would keep July 23 and fight somebody else. (I'd like to see titleholder Zab Judah get the call, especially now that it's unlikely Juan Manuel Marquez will accept an offer to face him July on HBO PPV on July 30.)

That would leave Bradley idle until at least September (HBO likely won't do a fight in August) and probably upset, because he was supposed to fight by June 30.

All of this could have been avoided had HBO not promised a return fight for a big fee to a guy with no ability to generate revenue outside of an arbitrary license fee. Without that crutch, the $1.3 million-plus to fight Khan probably would be looking pretty sweet to Bradley.

What we are seeing unfold right now is the downside of a bad business deal for Bradley-Alexander. It was a fight many of us wanted to see. But at what cost?

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:

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I'm still waiting for a link to confirm to this

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@danrafaelespn what a shame to give up more than 1.3 million

Imagine if it was Khan turning down the fight......just saying. ;D

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Originally Posted by ono

Imagine if it was Khan turning down the fight......just saying. ;D

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Exactly mate good 10 pages long by now.

Well shit i mean he is going to make 1,200,000 regardless who he fights man bad idea by hbo. I think Bradley is the best at 140 and will beat Khan but shit if he can't make the money now, Bradley should wait why not. I mean he is going to make money for who ever he fights next then have a big fight.

Also does anyone know what the split for the fight was right now or no links.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Well shit i mean he is going to make 1,200,000 regardless who he fights man bad idea by hbo. I think Bradley is the best at 140 and will beat Khan but shit if he can't make the money now, Bradley should wait why not. I mean he is going to make money for who ever he fights next then have a big fight.

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That is calling ducking is it not??

Khan and Bradley are the two best at 140 number one and number two this is the only fight the fans want to see, this is what is wrong with boxing, Khan is moving to 147 sooner rather than later this fight is easy to make for the 23rd July. Get it made.

So are you telling me Bradley who has pretty much cleaned out the division more so then Khan should stand to lose million dollar payday. I mean he can fight anyone next and make as much as Khan i say take that money then fight Khan next and make another payday. If Bradley is going to fight Khan think he should try to get double what the offer is to me he has earn a huge payday with the line up he has had.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

So are you telling me Bradley who has pretty much cleaned out the division more so then Khan should stand to lose million dollar payday. I mean he can fight anyone next and make as much as Khan i say take that money then fight Khan next and make another payday. If Bradley is going to fight Khan think he should try to get double what the offer is to me he has earn a huge payday with the line up he has had.

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Thats the point he hasnt cleaned out the division the other best fighter in the division is ready to fight him, there resumes are not to different at 140 they both have good wins.

I think everyone is getting a bit carried away with Khan as if he the same cash cow as say Ricky Hatton, this is not a huge fight in $$$ term HBO offered $3 million what will change in a fights time?? Get the fight on now when it matters.

Look thats easy for you to say but if Bradley has just a warm up fight he gets the same money if he were to fight Khan. I mean Bradley can fight Khan later in the year and make bank on it.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

So are you telling me Bradley who has pretty much cleaned out the division more so then Khan should stand to lose million dollar payday. I mean he can fight anyone next and make as much as Khan i say take that money then fight Khan next and make another payday. If Bradley is going to fight Khan think he should try to get double what the offer is to me he has earn a huge payday with the line up he has had.

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Thats the point he hasnt cleaned out the division the other best fighter in the division is ready to fight him, there resumes are not to different at 140 they both have good wins.

I think everyone is getting a bit carried away with Khan as if he the same cash cow as say Ricky Hatton, this is not a huge fight in $$$ term HBO offered $3 million what will change in a fights time?? Get the fight on now when it matters.

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Exactly. I can see Bradley's logic because he can guarantee himself two $1m+ paydays, rather than one, but it's still disappointing.

Thank you ono i mean people are all saying he can't draw crowds it be silly for him to give it up. I mean there is no retirement fund for fighters and its not a career you can do in your 60's. I say make as much as you can because the fans don't care were you end up at the end.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Thank you ono i mean people are all saying he can't draw crowds it be silly for him to give it up. I mean there is no retirement fund for fighters and its not a career you can do in your 60's. I say make as much as you can because the fans don't care were you end up at the end.

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I agree with you and Ono. Bradley's just being smart. If you are going to be paid 1.3 million for fighting anybody then why not fight someone, not just easier, but lower profile than Khan first and get the money that way, and then have the Khan payday still to look forward to.

It's kind of taking the piss out of HBO who got proper mugged off with that shit Alexander fight, but they set the contract so tough at the end of the day.

Bradley isn't a big draw so he's unlikely to be selling out any PPV's any time soon. Earn 1.2 million twice in a year probably sounds pretty nice.

I really can't blame Bradley for trying to make as much money as he can. If he can make bank and fight a bum why not.

But then again the same people that are defending Bradley for this practice also villified certain fighters for doing the same thing.:-X

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

I really can't blame Bradley for trying to make as much money as he can. If he can make bank and fight a bum why not.

But then again the same people that are defending Bradley for this practice also villified certain fighters for doing the same thing.:-X

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I don't.

Unless you mean Donaire. But then I couldn't care less who he fought, only that he should not have been Ring ranked at number 4 without fighting anyone.

He has since addressed that though.

I have to think Bradley must have other reasons for rejecting the offer. It's basically the same money as Khan, but what I don't get is Bradley is the one who called out Khan and then he pulls a knobhead move... for what? I dumbfounded. The only thing I can think of is Shaw must have put conditions on his contract.

I am still pretty sure the fight while happen later on in the year anyhow.

Khan is getting paid 1.25 million for the fight. People here were wondering about what Khan was making to determine if Bradley should get more. Well Bradley is getting more.

But from what I understand Bradley will get a guarantee 1.2 or 1.4 million fighting whoever next. So Bradley wants to make some money before he takes on Khan in a dangerous fight. It is what it is. HBO fucked that part up.

this fight should be 50/50 in terms of money maybe Bradley getting a slight bit more since he's a unified champ and considered #1 at 140, but the only way that $1.4 mil doesn't sound fair would be if Khan was getting an outlandish 5 or 6 mil which isn't happening, i say it should just be split down the middle, Bradley earned his half by his accomplishments and Khan by his title win and the fact that he's the most popular fighter in the division, if Bradley honestly thinks he's gonna get more than that fighting anyone not named Khan he's crazy cause i doubt he's even on Mayweather or Manny's radar right now

I just can't find it in me to give a crap what a fighter makes or fight negotiations. Why? That's not boxing, it's business. When I want to talk/read business I go to the WSJ. They either get in the ring and then I'll care, or they don't and I'll watch another fight.