Re: Had A Bad Scare Today.
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Glad you are okay, Ice. Sounds like a really scary situation.
And what's with all this silly macho talk about guns? What if they threatened Ice with a gun first and he was just stood there with a gun in his pocket? What use would it have served then? And they could very well have shot him whilst running away.
The lack of guns in the UK is one of its better qualities. The fact that there are no guns out here and people are generally quite passive is partly what makes me feel completely safe.
If you American's are happy with your guns, then fair enough I am not going to try and change that. But most countries are happy without them and function more than effectively too.
What's "macho" about not being subject to whims of scum??????
This isn't the wild west, it's England.
Guns are not an acceptable solution in our culture. If guns were freely available Ice might well have been at the mercy of a gun himself and the fall out could have been far worse.
I am just glad it was only a knife and that he was athletic enough to get away.
A) You didn't answer the question
B) What if he hadn't been athletic enough? What if he'd been injured or tired or a little older? A knife is a lethal weapon. You're ok at your fellow citizens being at the whim of armed scum?
a) I didn't even realise it was a question with the smilie things going on. I like your rhetorical style, but your question could have been framed a little better. Having given it a second I get the gist though. :p
I guess it would be great if he had a gun to counter the thugs, but this is England things are quite different. My point is that if Ice had a gun, then it would be more likely the thugs would have had a gun too and they would be aiming first.
b) I am not happy about what Ice experienced, but it was a very unusual situation and not something most of us have gone through. He could well have got hurt, but how would having a gun in his pocket help him? He could reach his hand in and have three bullets in his brain. I could counter it and say look at America. Ice got away and the thugs had a little knife. Look at how Vernon Forrest went out and we know of him because he is famous. It is happening everyday.
A culture with too many guns is not something I approve of. I know some of the American's on here will disagree and this is an argument that has been hashed out many times before. I live in a society with no guns, feel safe and am quite happy in the knowledge that nobody will shoot me. Not even the police. Some societies are really quite relaxed and safe. In comparison even England seems like a gangsters paradise compared to where I live.
There is no reason to believe that if IBC had a gun the thugs would as well. But if the thugs even thought he MIGHT they'd likely move on. Guys like that aren't warriors they are scavengers.
My own personal experience is my guns may have saved my life on two occasions.
The problem is NEVER EVER guns! They are just a tool. A decent man with a gun troubles me not at all. A guy with bad intentions with a knife or a club or a hammer or a boxcutter or a sap or a baseball bat or a tire iron is a far bigger problem. It is the GUY, not the tool that is the issue.
The difference between you and me is I also feel perfectly safe. But it is because I AM perfectly safe. I can enforce my safety. You are only safe at the whim of scum.
I am safe because I choose to live in a place where assault, murder etc are relatively uncommon crimes. Perhaps the fact that you need to carry weapons around with you is a sign that your society has some serious problems and that you are living in undesirable places. I have never had a knife pulled on me nor been threatened with a gun. I have lived in a couple of rather dodgy areas in the UK, but even then I have never experienced any massive problems. However, I can see why it might be useful to take precautions ie pepper spray in those environments. But living in Korea, I can honestly say that as a man, I have never felt anything less than safe. Nobody is going to threaten me with a knife or anything like that. The minute I ever encounter any danger I will revise my opinion, but 8 years and so far so good. I see few signs of that changing.
I think the fact that the family bond is still so strong here, the fact that most people live in high apartments, the fact that teenagers have to study so much and the lack of drugs, means that society is relatively stable. Somehow it all just seems to work out here. No guns and little violence. Knives are out there, but nobody uses them. Kids have woodcutter knives in their pencil cases, nobody batters an eyelid and nobody gets stabbed. Of course, there is crime here, but none of that burglary to pay for the heroin nonsense. The most usual crime is tax evasion and road safety violations.
LOL! One of my comebacks prior to reading this was "If you prize safety over other things so much, move to Singapore!" Guess I can't use that one huh? :)
I will say that in the UK, the law taking citizens guns led to a huge spike in home invasions. Why? Because that crime became far less risky for criminals. Allowing criminals more certainty about the risks involved in a crime will always have an impact. IIRC England now has more total home invasions than the US. Not per capita, but in total!
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Perhaps that is the case. I think drugs, poverty and houses which are are easy to break into are a bad combination. Perhaps a gun in self defence might well be a serious deterrent.
Re: Had A Bad Scare Today.
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Perhaps that is the case. I think drugs, poverty and houses which are are easy to break into are a bad combination. Perhaps a gun in self defence might well be a serious deterrent.
Yeah I think the Castle Doctrine is a wise one. I also think concealed carry is good law. Why? It introduces uncertainty into a criminals mind. He not only has to worry about the person he's about to assault carrying, but the guy walking down the street, the guy coming out a door etc. It really alters the risk reward. I think it says something that in the USA the highest crime rates are in places where guns are hard to carry legally, like Washington DC, Chicago and Detroit.
On another, related, noted. I suspect, but cannot prove, that homogenous societies simply eliminate large numbers of social ills merely through their homogeneity. Pluralistic societies seem to have to trade some level of social ills for the richness of multiple, interacting cultures.
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I just finished my workout at my gym, and my friend was supposed to pick me up. But he wasn't there so im waiting 15 minutes, then i phone him but he's not answering. Then this guy approaches me saving have i got fag.
I don't smoke so i said no next thing i know, these 4 guys are approaching me. And one has a knife, so i push the one guy who was talking to me. Out of panic and i run as fast as possible without looking back.
And i was shitting myself i've never run so fast in my life, i had to jog 5 miles home aswell so pretty shaken up and tired at the moment.
Did you find out what happen to your friend?
Whats a fag? Miles? Gay? short for faggot?
Well you are wise to flight instead of fight ICE. Glad you're ok.
I incourage everybody to get a weapons permit, attend a class or two on guns/ self defense, and most importantly be responsible.
I guess in that situation having a gun would of help you. That is if they did not have a gun. You could of pulled it out and told them to fxck off. 90% of the time you may not have to pull it out but just show them it and if they dont have one then they go away. If they did have one though, you would need to be real careful about showing yours.
I think Bilbo is half right about people with guns. I would admit when I first had a gun I dont think I could even think about pulling it out. I guess over time you kinda of train yourself mentally. You must be responsible because the law can get you even though you think your just defending yourself. You wouldnt want to shoot anybody in the back, even if they where in your house running away with your expensive jewelry!
How will you go back to your gym ICE?
He got held up just one of those things, as for going back to the gym. In all honesty Rain's i won't be going back, i'd be too jumpy so i'll go to another one.
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Glad you are okay, Ice. Sounds like a really scary situation.
And what's with all this silly macho talk about guns? What if they threatened Ice with a gun first and he was just stood there with a gun in his pocket? What use would it have served then? And they could very well have shot him whilst running away.
The lack of guns in the UK is one of its better qualities. The fact that there are no guns out here and people are generally quite passive is partly what makes me feel completely safe.
If you American's are happy with your guns, then fair enough I am not going to try and change that. But most countries are happy without them and function more than effectively too.
What's "macho" about not being subject to whims of scum??????
This isn't the wild west, it's England.
Guns are not an acceptable solution in our culture. If guns were freely available Ice might well have been at the mercy of a gun himself and the fall out could have been far worse.
I am just glad it was only a knife and that he was athletic enough to get away.
A) You didn't answer the question
B) What if he hadn't been athletic enough? What if he'd been injured or tired or a little older? A knife is a lethal weapon. You're ok at your fellow citizens being at the whim of armed scum?
Just mentioning guns offends Miles' senstive nature....after all they are so scary:bawling:
Don't be gay. I would quite like to own a gun when I eventually move into the countryside. I would love to live out my survivorman fantasies (but make my wife skin the rabbit). But in a city where there are no problems with drugs, criminals etc? There is just no real need to have one. They aren't scary, just not needed. Maybe this is very different in some parts of America where there is a lot more crime, violence etc. but that just isn't the case here or even in most parts of England. The situation Ice experienced was the exception rather than the norm. I never experienced anything like that in the UK and I am sure most Brits here would say the same thing. You just don't need to walk around with a gun.
I'm just giving you the piss...or is it I'm taking a piss??? Not sure about my UK lingo but anyway I'm just messing with you man.
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ICB you did the correct thing.
If you had a gun/knife you would end up using it and get into further trouble so best not to carry anything.
Re: Had A Bad Scare Today.
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miles
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Julius Rain
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Julius Rain
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I just finished my workout at my gym, and my friend was supposed to pick me up. But he wasn't there so im waiting 15 minutes, then i phone him but he's not answering. Then this guy approaches me saving have i got fag.
I don't smoke so i said no next thing i know, these 4 guys are approaching me. And one has a knife, so i push the one guy who was talking to me. Out of panic and i run as fast as possible without looking back.
And i was shitting myself i've never run so fast in my life, i had to jog 5 miles home aswell so pretty shaken up and tired at the moment.
Did you find out what happen to your friend?
Whats a fag? Miles? Gay? short for faggot?
Well you are wise to flight instead of fight ICE. Glad you're ok.
I incourage everybody to get a weapons permit, attend a class or two on guns/ self defense, and most importantly be responsible.
I guess in that situation having a gun would of help you. That is if they did not have a gun. You could of pulled it out and told them to fxck off. 90% of the time you may not have to pull it out but just show them it and if they dont have one then they go away. If they did have one though, you would need to be real careful about showing yours.
I think Bilbo is half right about people with guns. I would admit when I first had a gun I dont think I could even think about pulling it out. I guess over time you kinda of train yourself mentally. You must be responsible because the law can get you even though you think your just defending yourself. You wouldnt want to shoot anybody in the back, even if they where in your house running away with your expensive jewelry!
How will you go back to your gym ICE?
Hmm. Are you trying to be insulting?
It will take more than suggesting that I am good looking and smell nice to do that. But having said that I will certainly never stoop as low as to rim Manny Pacquiao nor allow myself to be buggered by the aforementioned midget. I will leave those cuddly acts to you. Enjoy.
What are you talking about?
Miles is a new slang for a gay guy.
Oh, silly me.
And I thought Julius Rains was the cockney expression for "Go on guv, please bugger me senseless". The world is seemingly full of these little coincidences.
Yes Miles, they are just coincidences.
For example:
Dont be a miles.
Its the same as;
Dont be a fag.
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Julius Rain
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ICB
I just finished my workout at my gym, and my friend was supposed to pick me up. But he wasn't there so im waiting 15 minutes, then i phone him but he's not answering. Then this guy approaches me saving have i got fag.
I don't smoke so i said no next thing i know, these 4 guys are approaching me. And one has a knife, so i push the one guy who was talking to me. Out of panic and i run as fast as possible without looking back.
And i was shitting myself i've never run so fast in my life, i had to jog 5 miles home aswell so pretty shaken up and tired at the moment.
Did you find out what happen to your friend?
Whats a fag? Miles? Gay? short for faggot?
Well you are wise to flight instead of fight ICE. Glad you're ok.
I incourage everybody to get a weapons permit, attend a class or two on guns/ self defense, and most importantly be responsible.
I guess in that situation having a gun would of help you. That is if they did not have a gun. You could of pulled it out and told them to fxck off. 90% of the time you may not have to pull it out but just show them it and if they dont have one then they go away. If they did have one though, you would need to be real careful about showing yours.
I think Bilbo is half right about people with guns. I would admit when I first had a gun I dont think I could even think about pulling it out. I guess over time you kinda of train yourself mentally. You must be responsible because the law can get you even though you think your just defending yourself. You wouldnt want to shoot anybody in the back, even if they where in your house running away with your expensive jewelry!
How will you go back to your gym ICE?
He got held up just one of those things, as for going back to the gym. In all honesty Rain's i won't be going back, i'd be too jumpy so i'll go to another one.
Good idea, next time be picky about the gyms neighborhood reputation. Go to a gym in a good quite area. Don't go to the ghetto ;D
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Julius Rain
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miles
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Julius Rain
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miles
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Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
ICB
I just finished my workout at my gym, and my friend was supposed to pick me up. But he wasn't there so im waiting 15 minutes, then i phone him but he's not answering. Then this guy approaches me saving have i got fag.
I don't smoke so i said no next thing i know, these 4 guys are approaching me. And one has a knife, so i push the one guy who was talking to me. Out of panic and i run as fast as possible without looking back.
And i was shitting myself i've never run so fast in my life, i had to jog 5 miles home aswell so pretty shaken up and tired at the moment.
Did you find out what happen to your friend?
Whats a fag? Miles? Gay? short for faggot?
Well you are wise to flight instead of fight ICE. Glad you're ok.
I incourage everybody to get a weapons permit, attend a class or two on guns/ self defense, and most importantly be responsible.
I guess in that situation having a gun would of help you. That is if they did not have a gun. You could of pulled it out and told them to fxck off. 90% of the time you may not have to pull it out but just show them it and if they dont have one then they go away. If they did have one though, you would need to be real careful about showing yours.
I think Bilbo is half right about people with guns. I would admit when I first had a gun I dont think I could even think about pulling it out. I guess over time you kinda of train yourself mentally. You must be responsible because the law can get you even though you think your just defending yourself. You wouldnt want to shoot anybody in the back, even if they where in your house running away with your expensive jewelry!
How will you go back to your gym ICE?
Hmm. Are you trying to be insulting?
It will take more than suggesting that I am good looking and smell nice to do that. But having said that I will certainly never stoop as low as to rim Manny Pacquiao nor allow myself to be buggered by the aforementioned midget. I will leave those cuddly acts to you. Enjoy.
What are you talking about?
Miles is a new slang for a gay guy.
Oh, silly me.
And I thought Julius Rains was the cockney expression for "Go on guv, please bugger me senseless". The world is seemingly full of these little coincidences.
Yes Miles, they are just coincidences.
For example:
Dont be a miles.
Its the same as;
Dont be a fag.
Thank you for clearing that up. Much obliged.
Re: Had A Bad Scare Today.
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miles
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Julius Rain
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miles
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Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
ICB
I just finished my workout at my gym, and my friend was supposed to pick me up. But he wasn't there so im waiting 15 minutes, then i phone him but he's not answering. Then this guy approaches me saving have i got fag.
I don't smoke so i said no next thing i know, these 4 guys are approaching me. And one has a knife, so i push the one guy who was talking to me. Out of panic and i run as fast as possible without looking back.
And i was shitting myself i've never run so fast in my life, i had to jog 5 miles home aswell so pretty shaken up and tired at the moment.
Did you find out what happen to your friend?
Whats a fag? Miles? Gay? short for faggot?
Well you are wise to flight instead of fight ICE. Glad you're ok.
I incourage everybody to get a weapons permit, attend a class or two on guns/ self defense, and most importantly be responsible.
I guess in that situation having a gun would of help you. That is if they did not have a gun. You could of pulled it out and told them to fxck off. 90% of the time you may not have to pull it out but just show them it and if they dont have one then they go away. If they did have one though, you would need to be real careful about showing yours.
I think Bilbo is half right about people with guns. I would admit when I first had a gun I dont think I could even think about pulling it out. I guess over time you kinda of train yourself mentally. You must be responsible because the law can get you even though you think your just defending yourself. You wouldnt want to shoot anybody in the back, even if they where in your house running away with your expensive jewelry!
How will you go back to your gym ICE?
Hmm. Are you trying to be insulting?
It will take more than suggesting that I am good looking and smell nice to do that. But having said that I will certainly never stoop as low as to rim Manny Pacquiao nor allow myself to be buggered by the aforementioned midget. I will leave those cuddly acts to you. Enjoy.
What are you talking about?
Miles is a new slang for a gay guy.
Oh, silly me.
And I thought Julius Rains was the cockney expression for "Go on guv, please bugger me senseless". The world is seemingly full of these little coincidences.
Yes Miles, they are just coincidences.
For example:
Dont be a miles.
Its the same as;
Dont be a fag.
Thank you for clearing that up. Much obliged.
You're welcome buddy! ;)
