Re: Bert Sugar on Mike Tyson, his legacy and chances against the Klitchko's
I have to laugh at these old fogies trying to rewrite history. Boring, "chessmatch" heavyweight boxing started with Lennox and the Klitschkos? LOL! Have you ever heard and seen of a little known guy by the name of, hmm, JACK JOHNSON? Have you seen footage of Jack fight? TOTAL cerebral chess match, and that was 100 years ago!
Look back at even the golden era of the HW division. Sure Ali was the greatest, but have you watched all of his fights? They weren't all "Thrilla in Manilla" or "Rumble in the Jungle", a lot of them were mind-numbingly boring! Why? Because he did the SAME THING that people crap on the Klitschkos for, i.e. playing the chessmatch, controlling the fight with his jab and superior skill/athletics, not aggressively going for the finish, ect.
The Klitschkos are boring because they don't "put themselves in danger". LOL, you show me a boxer who voluntarily puts himself in danger and I'll show you a club fighter. That's the name of the game, HIT AND NOT GET HIT. It's the same thing Ali did, the only difference is Ali had guys close to his level he fought every now and then who forced him into these exciting fights. The Klitschko's are head and shoulders (literally and figuratively) above everyone in the division and don't have anyone around to make an appealing fight for them. David Haye was supposed to be the guy to do that, but we all know how that turned out.
Don't blame the Klitschkos, blame the rest of the suckers who don't have enough to give them a compelling fight.
Re: Bert Sugar on Mike Tyson, his legacy and chances against the Klitchko's
As far as Mike vs the Klitschko's, Tyson had the power to flatten ANYONE in the history of boxing, and the kind of speed to land those missles.
However I question what kind of success he would have had against opponents so much taller, with such good foot movement, range, and jabbing capabilities.
Could Mike have knocked both guys out? Certainly. But if you think he would just walk in on them and blow them out like they were Michael Johnson or David Jaco or some shit, you're crazy.
Re: Bert Sugar on Mike Tyson, his legacy and chances against the Klitchko's
I think we can agree to disagree, both brothers are very good but have never beaten anyone of note. Vitali had the chance to and he lost so you can' give credit to these guys for how you think they may have stood up.
The Holmes that Tyson beat had more left in the tank than the Lewis that Vitali fought, Razor Rudock was better than Haye and Peter, Tim wither spoon and Bruno are miles better than Tony Thompson and Thomas Adamek and there is no one of the quality of a Michael spinks on the record of the brothers Grim why do they deserve credit when they have beaten no one of note?
Re: Bert Sugar on Mike Tyson, his legacy and chances against the Klitchko's
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piye
You can't chose who's in your era, the Klitschko brothers have fought and beaten everyone they can, you can't bring up guys they never had a chance to fight, that's fucking idiotic.
Oh I see, but when disussing Marciano you CAN. :cool:
Re: Bert Sugar on Mike Tyson, his legacy and chances against the Klitchko's
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
piye
I think we can agree to disagree, both brothers are very good but have never beaten anyone of note. Vitali had the chance to and he lost so you can' give credit to these guys for how you think they may have stood up.
The Holmes that Tyson beat had more left in the tank than the Lewis that Vitali fought, Razor Rudock was better than Haye and Peter, Tim wither spoon and Bruno are miles better than Tony Thompson and Thomas Adamek and there is no one of the quality of a Michael spinks on the record of the brothers Grim why do they deserve credit when they have beaten no one of note?
I declare shenanigans on Holmes having more left in the tank than Lewis. Ruddock was exactly like Sam Peter, he had weight issues, but Ruddock also had a dodgey chin and stamina. Razor was a more dynamic puncher, but that was all.
You can't chose who's in your era, the Klitschko brothers have fought and beaten everyone they can, you can't bring up guys they never had a chance to fight, that's fucking idiotic.
All right mate of course the Holmes that fought tyson had more in the tank than the Lewis that fought Klitscho one retired after the fight one fought on for years running evander Holyfield close and beating Ray Mercer.
As for Sam Peter being on a level with Ruddock are you serious? You have obviously never watched Rudock fight.
Re: Bert Sugar on Mike Tyson, his legacy and chances against the Klitchko's
Rudduck would have taken Sam Peters head off.
