Hey rant
I havent got a problem with people liking bute above froch and ward, hes obviously a slick, powerfull and exciting fighter, i enjoy watching him fight
Until he fights any of th top men tho theres no way he can be ranked above ward and froch
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Hey rant
I havent got a problem with people liking bute above froch and ward, hes obviously a slick, powerfull and exciting fighter, i enjoy watching him fight
Until he fights any of th top men tho theres no way he can be ranked above ward and froch
There's a couple things worth mentioning that haven't been mentioned. (1) Ward has never been outboxed. In his whole professional and amateur career, literally, he has never once been outboxed. In contrast, Froch has been outboxed on a few occasions if not for whole fights for a few rounds in a row. Even Brian Magee outboxed him for a bit as wild as that may be. (2) For all the supposed power Froch has, he hasn't knocked out anyone in two years and the only really elite level boxer he has knocked out is Jermain Taylor.
My strong belief is that it is absolutely necessary for Froch to rattle Ward early on and then at least superficially dictate the pace for some of the middle rounds. Ward won't wilt like Jermain Taylor in the final rounds so if Froch allows Ward to build a lead, he won't be able to catch up. He needs to cut off the ring well if Ward runs like Dirrell and he needs to play very rough, perhaps borderline illegal, on the inside. Rattling Ward first is key though.
For some reason, I thought you hated Bute. I apologize for being wrong on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Ward wins ud
Froch fought Magee with a broken hand by the way
That doesnt mean hes not powerfull. He is strong but he just doesnt have the reflexes or "athletesism" to make that strength count. Look at the opponents he has faced over the last few years, they havent had it easy because Froch can impose his strength and will on them. Ward will struggle to do anything because Froch will be trying to hurt him and doesnt get discouraged by getting caught and Ward doesnt really have the power to hurt Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Snce taylor froch has fought AA who has never been anywhere near knocked out, dirrell who ran for 12 rounds, kessler who has fought at the top for years and has never been anywhere near knocked out, glen johnson
Given those fights there wouldnt be many in the history of the smws that would have scored a knock out
You can almost disregard previous performances in this fight the stakes are so high. It had received relatively minor coverage in the non boxing media but for me has the potential to be a fight for the ages. Don't get me wrong both fighters have the potential to nullify each other and make it an anticlimactic event, but if both bring out their A game it becomes compulsive viewing. Froch has been made the underdog and yet Ward does not see himself as the favourite. The focus on his use of the head on many forums seemed to have deepened the chip on his shoulder, and spurred Froch on with the odds narrowing as fight night approaches. It has a surprisingly retro feel to it already for a fight that has yet to be fought. Carl "the cobra" Froch has morphed into a rugged John Wayne/ Rooster Cogburn character and Andre "S.O.G" Ward has much to his chargin been saddled with the role of Tom Chaney. Charles Portis himself could not have scripted it better. Will Rooster hunt him down? Or will Chaney escape with a points victory only to be knocked out in the future by laboeuf/Bute? I live in hope that, Boom, Boom Froch catches Chaney early and then faces Bute in the UK, calling him out at the press conference, "LaBoeuf, if you get crosswire of me you'll think a ton of brick had fell on you! You'll wisht you was back at the Alamo with Travis!"
Im going for ward to knock froch out in the ninth round. I am a massive froch fan but I think ward is too quick and has better endurance. Froch gets hit too easily. I think he probably lost to dirrel and I think ward is more dangerous than dirrel. Plus if ward makes good use of his head again then it will be even easier.
I love to watch froch fight but I just dont think he can win.
This will be a good fight no doubt about that!
As a Carl Froch fan I really hope he can muster out a victory this saturday but on paper Andre Ward is way to good and should record an easy victory but as we all know boxing ain't always about who's the better fighter... sometimes its about who has the better tactics. I mean if Froch can pressure Ward early i can maybe see Froch defying the odds.
I got faith in the Cobra!!
Ward is a 3-1 betting favorite, but despite the inflated odds, I believe this fight will be competitive. I really don't see Ward being the better man, overall these 2 are evenly matched, it might come down to who wants it most.Quote:
Originally Posted by btahthezone
It could just be me, but although Ward won a Gold Medal in boxing at the 2004 Summer Olympics he doesn't seem all that popular here in the States, I also doubt that he has a very big fanbase.
Frankly, I hope Froch kicks his ass, but i'd settle on a decision. ;)
He sells well in Northern California.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWard is a 3-1 betting favorite, but despite the inflated odds, I believe this fight will be competitive. I really don't see Ward being the better man, overall these 2 are evenly matched, it might come down to who wants it most.Quote:
Originally Posted by btahthezone
It could just be me, but although Ward won a Gold Medal in boxing at the 2004 Summer Olympics he doesn't seem all that popular here in the States, I also doubt that he has a very big fanbase.
Frankly, I hope Froch kicks his ass, but i'd settle on a decision. ;)
Yeah, in front of his homies. There's just something about Ward that turns fans off, part of it has to do with his fights not being entertaining, that S.O.G. bullshit and/or him being so full of himself. Even though Ward works hard on being "charismatic" and articulate, I can't ever see him being popular with most boxing fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWard is a 3-1 betting favorite, but despite the inflated odds, I believe this fight will be competitive. I really don't see Ward being the better man, overall these 2 are evenly matched, it might come down to who wants it most.Quote:
Originally Posted by btahthezone
It could just be me, but although Ward won a Gold Medal in boxing at the 2004 Summer Olympics he doesn't seem all that popular here in the States, I also doubt that he has a very big fanbase.
Frankly, I hope Froch kicks his ass, but i'd settle on a decision. ;)
He sells well in Northern California.
Certain fans, apparently. I have no problem with him. I hope he goes on to have a good career. I guess it would be more exciting if he had more power in his punches but everyone can't be blessed with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axYeah, in front of his homies. There's just something about Ward that turns fans off, part of it has to do with his fights not being entertaining, that S.O.G. bullshit and/or him being so full of himself. Even though Ward works hard on being "charismatic" and articulate, I can't ever see him being popular with most boxing fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWard is a 3-1 betting favorite, but despite the inflated odds, I believe this fight will be competitive. I really don't see Ward being the better man, overall these 2 are evenly matched, it might come down to who wants it most.Quote:
Originally Posted by btahthezone
It could just be me, but although Ward won a Gold Medal in boxing at the 2004 Summer Olympics he doesn't seem all that popular here in the States, I also doubt that he has a very big fanbase.
Frankly, I hope Froch kicks his ass, but i'd settle on a decision. ;)
He sells well in Northern California.
I don't see it being very competitive, wide UD for Ward.
I don't buy it, Froch may lose, but he's not going to be dominated, Ward ain't no fucking Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
He doesn't have to be Mayweather. He's better than post-Pavlik Jermain Taylor, and Taylor was heading to a clear UD if he could have stood up for 3 more minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't buy it, Froch may lose, but he's not going to be dominated, Ward ain't no fucking Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
That's your best argument, If Taylor hadn't gotten KTFO by Froch in a fight over 2 1/2 years ago he would have won a UD? Too fucking funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXXHe doesn't have to be Mayweather. He's better than post-Pavlik Jermain Taylor, and Taylor was heading to a clear UD if he could have stood up for 3 more minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't buy it, Froch may lose, but he's not going to be dominated, Ward ain't no fucking Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Lobowolf. ~> :LOLATYOU:
BTW, Jermain was only up on 2 of the 3 scorecards before he got wrecked, so it would have been a SD at best..
My bad on the UD/SD. Another argument might be last year's loss to Kessler, whom Ward beat handily. The LOL is the suggestion that one need be MAYWEATHER to beat Froch handily. Then again, it depends what you mean by "dominated." I don't think Ward is going to hurt him, but if he wins, say, 117-111, I'd say that qualifies...you win 75% of the rounds, you dominated your opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThat's your best argument, If Taylor hadn't gotten KTFO by Froch in a fight over 2 1/2 years ago he would have won a UD? Too fucking funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXXHe doesn't have to be Mayweather. He's better than post-Pavlik Jermain Taylor, and Taylor was heading to a clear UD if he could have stood up for 3 more minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't buy it, Froch may lose, but he's not going to be dominated, Ward ain't no fucking Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Lobowolf. ~> :LOLATYOU:
BTW, Jermain was only up on 2 of the 3 scorecards before he got wrecked, so it would have been a SD at best..
Maybe I'm badly misreading this fight. We'll find out soon enough. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. But I don't think it's going to be close.
It doesn't take a Mayweather to beat Froch, what i'm saying is Ward ain't no Mayweather, and I don't get why some think he's so superior to Froch. Froch's only loss was to Kessler, but I thought the fight was a lot closer then what the scorecards said, it was close and competitive, and Froch gave a good account of himself. Kessler won, but he hardly dominated.Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXXMy bad on the UD/SD. Another argument might be last year's loss to Kessler, whom Ward beat handily. The LOL is the suggestion that one need be MAYWEATHER to beat Froch handily. Then again, it depends what you mean by "dominated." I don't think Ward is going to hurt him, but if he wins, say, 117-111, I'd say that qualifies...you win 75% of the rounds, you dominated your opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThat's your best argument, If Taylor hadn't gotten KTFO by Froch in a fight over 2 1/2 years ago he would have won a UD? Too fucking funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXXHe doesn't have to be Mayweather. He's better than post-Pavlik Jermain Taylor, and Taylor was heading to a clear UD if he could have stood up for 3 more minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't buy it, Froch may lose, but he's not going to be dominated, Ward ain't no fucking Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Lobowolf. ~> :LOLATYOU:
BTW, Jermain was only up on 2 of the 3 scorecards before he got wrecked, so it would have been a SD at best..
Maybe I'm badly misreading this fight. We'll find out soon enough. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. But I don't think it's going to be close.
A clearcut decision is almost the same as dominating, clearcut meaning you clearly won at least 7 of the rounds (in a 12 round fight) on every scorecard... that's my take anyway.
I've been doing pretty good on my analysis of fights lately, I nailed Cotto vs. Margo II, and I thought Peterson would give Khan big problems. So maybe i'll be right about Froch vs. Ward, i've got Froch winning a SD, but i'll admit it might be wishful thinking. :dontknow:
Eddie Hearn reported Brook fight 1am, Froch ring walk 2.30.. much earlier than usual for USA fights.
I can stay up for this (if booze intake can be controlled - odds against :rolleyes:).
I can't wait for this. This fight IS my weekend. All roads lead to this fight.
If froch loses Christmas will be ruined due to robbery
I have been waiting for this fight for a long time.
Froch has become one of my favourite fighters, but I think he's out of his depth here. Ward will butt, maul, and box (in that order) his was to a UD.
I hope Froch proves me wrong, he certainly has in the past.
I really want to watch this fight may listen to it on radio 5 and want Froch to win. If he does then he should be sports personality of the year. Why is Khan in it when Carl has done so much more.
Froch 167.5
Ward 168
A lot of folks thought that Peterson was out of his depth against Khan as well, but as it turned out he wasn't. I seriously don't get why Ward is regarded so highly or why Froch seems to be such a big underdog. I mean we are taking about Andre "can't crush a fucking grape" Ward here right?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
It seems like a big part of the reason so many favor Ward in this fight, is comparing Froch's only loss to Kessler to Ward's foulfest/headbutt technical decision over him in Oakland, in front of his homies. And let's not forget that Froch's loss to Kessler was a close/competitive fight in Denmark.
I really don't see the fights with Kessler meaning jack shit.
Froch by SD, that's my story and i'm sticking to it. :-X
So let me get this straight, Ward who has 13 paltry KO's in 24 Pro fights and zero at the championship level, is going to knockout Froch, who's never been knocked out, in the 9th round? No offense, but are you a newbee to boxing? Nothing is impossible in boxing, but the only way Froch gets "stopped" is by cuts from Ward's headbutts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leighton
Yeah, picking Froch to get stopped, when it's never happened before, is like picking Ward to lose...
Just got done with bct this will be the first live fight I've seen in 10 Weeks. Hopefully, Ward doesnt try to play it too cautious. If that happens its gonna be interesting , Froch can hit harder. I wanna see a ko either way.
I wouldn't be all that surprised to see Froch get stopped. I don't think it's likely, but if Jermaine Taylor can put you on your ass, then Andre Ward can probably keep you there if he hits you with enough headbutts right hands.
Except that saying Froch will be stopped is a lot more specific than saying Ward will lose... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX
If Froch wins tonight the people at the BBC sports personality of the year will have to hang their heads in shame for selecting Kahn over him. It is a joke especially since the nominations were announced after the Peterson fight.
Yeah, I was just having fun with Mars. :). I think a Froch win is much more likely tan a Ward KO. But I think a Ward decision is much more likely than everything else put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBExcept that saying Froch will be stopped is a lot more specific than saying Ward will lose... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX
Hey, it's not nice picking on the elderly, you fuggin whippersnapper. :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXXYeah, I was just having fun with Mars. :). I think a Froch win is much more likely tan a Ward KO. But I think a Ward decision is much more likely than everything else put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBExcept that saying Froch will be stopped is a lot more specific than saying Ward will lose... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX
Ward winning a decision means we'd see a boring, controversial, hugfest, foulfest tonight, and I hope that's not the case. Froch winning would be far better for boxing, rather then having an insomnia inducing jesus freak like Ward as champion.
The Cobra's reach advantage could be crucial. Ward I think expects Froch to bring it on early and go toe to toe. Froch lighter weight seems to indicate a different approach. I think McCracken instructs Carl to use his jab early in establishing a points advantage and to stop Ward from leading head first and cutting Froch. Second half of the fight as Ward slows then The Cobra strikes. Froch's not got as fast hands as Ward but throws from good unexpected angles. In close Frochs uppercuts could discourage Andre and after softening him up and slowing him down I think Froch Stops Ward late.
If this starts out as a jabbing war, it's not going to be Froch establishing a points advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
So excited for this now, seriously hope frochy pulls this off ;D
Froch isn't going to out-slick or out-box Ward, that's not his game. Ward likes to control/dictate the action, that's not something Carl can't afford to let him do. Froch needs to fight smart, but make a war of it, he's taller than Ward and got the edge in reach as well as power, make full use of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Ditto, me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon