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Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th
I like cotto, could be my favourite overseas fighter at the minute
if theres one fight i wish had never happened it would be cotto v pac, cotto was beaten up and its a real down point of his carear
the margarito loss was a bit different, i thought he put up a fantastic fight and every man can lose a fight like that, it didnt really take anything away from his record
with the catch weight and the peds rumours around the time of the pac fight im not sure cotto deserved the beating he got
Im glad theres no daft weight demands on the mayweather fight, hats off to floyd
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MMASUX
Cotto will be the aggressor, and Mayweather will use that against him all night long. I think it will be Mayweather 8-4, maybe 9-3.
This is what I think two. Except more towards 8-4 or 7-5 for mayweather. But I wouldnt be surprised if Cotto got the W. I mean he did beat Mosley while he was still good and I'm sure that Mosley would've give Floyd problems and whooped PAC had he fought the way he fought Cotto.
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Give props to Floyd for taking the fight, but carnt help thinking this should of happened 5-6 years ago when Cotto when in his pomp. Not saying the result would be any different, but Cotto of back then would be a harder fight for Floyd than now.
In saying all that, Cotto could cause Floyd some problems, but Floyd being Floyd, he will use his superior boxing skills to win a good competitive fight 8-4 on the cards.
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Good fight. Quite surprising really. What with bradley getting his man.
I wonder how arum thinks he has all the pieces laid out? No doubt he'll be eyeing up Bradley.
I think mayweather erik l have to be the aggressor because Cotto's only realistic chance of winning is to fight like he has done the past couple of fights... on the out side.The way i see it, May weather isn't quite as fluid as he used to be,i think his legs are going and he is becoming more accustomed to shutting guys down on the front foot.
He'll go looking for Cotto.
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In my opinion Cotto will have to switch up, be the aggressor one round, then allow Floyd to come to you. Floyd is so good at making adjustments mid fight that you have to beat him with a gameplan to use 3 or 4 different gameplans. You've got to be aggressive, but not leave yourself open for counters, you've got to use good defense but also you have to win rounds. Floyd will no doubt use his questionable tactics (much like other great fighters), the elbows and forearms, but Cotto is a hoss, he can give back some rough stuff as well.
Cotto should not ONLY focus on the body, but he should gun for Floyd's arms as well. Floyd uses his arms for defense and he's one of the best defensive fighters I've ever seen, but the manner in which he uses them he has to have quick reactions to counterpunch...if his arms got slowed down by power punches then theoretically he would be more vulnerable. The main thing is Cotto has to find a way to negate Floyd's speed....if he can do that with his power or with his timing he can pull off a HUGE upset!
Cotto has been burried by his critics before "He'll never be the same" after the Margarito fight, "He's done as a fighter" after the Pacquiao fight....well this is Cotto's chance to achieve the seemingly impossible...I for one know he'll put up a hell of a fight!
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If this fight actually happens on May 5th, I like Cotto's chances at 154, i'm really surprised Mayweather would agree to this fight, but I guess he's legally obligated, so it should happen.
I'd be surprised if it wasn't at a catch-weight.
According to Floyd, the fight will happen at the weight Cotto is most comfortable at, if true that would be at 154, no catch-weight.
Cotto fights often, and is used to being in "wars", but Floyd isn't, this could get interesting if Miguel can penetrate Mayweather's defense and land some significant shots. Floyd just might have bitten off more then he could chew.
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Great fight and again Floyd proving the naysayers wrong by taking him on at 154. Can't wait for this..I like Cotto and I hope he can make it competitive - I'm sure he won't embarass himself in the least.
Hulk, if this fight happened at 140, Floyd would have torn an inexperienced and weight drained Cotto a new hole. The best time this fight to happen for Cotto would have been at 147 after Floyd fought ODLH. At 154 he still will have a weight advantage so its a better fight than if it were at 140.
I'm pleased for both fighters. Cotto has earned his shot and pleased for Floyd once again sticking it to Team Pac and continues proving that he will take legit challenges without trying to disadvantage his opponent.
Roll on May 5th
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It's so ridiculous to see the Floyd v. Manny BS from only one viewpoint. They're both great in their own ways and should be appreciated as such.
Floyd fought Hatton at 147 when Hatton was clearly more effective at 140. Heck, Collazo almost beat him at 147. Floyd fought Marquez at 144 and came in at 146 when Marquez had never fought above 135 and only fought twice. Pacquiao fought Cotto at 145 when he should have fought Cotto at 147. It really goes both ways.
At least now we know Floyd has no problem fighting Pacquiao's leftovers after all because Floyd made it very clear that Pacquiao fights his leftovers. You know what I admire? For all the racist jabs, the youtube videos disparaging him etc., I don't believe I've heard Pacquiao say anything about PBF or at least very little.
Other than Lyle, does anyone else see this as competitive?
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Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th
WAR Cotto! That's first and foremost.
Off the top, I like this one. Yeh it could-should have happened a while back but what are ya gonna do. As long as all of the weight clause jibber jabber is kept in the trash can and both come in at honest weight it's a clean go. I think Cotto has a shot but he may have to revert a little and not go into his over thinking mode. He's not outboxing Floyd, not yesterday, not today and not tomorrow. He's going to have to think of the head as purely secondary and work off that improved jab greatly from jump off. I don't worry as much about his stamina late as I do him cutting up badly early.
Not looking forward to yet another I hate my daddy and the piss and moan fest on 24-7 though. The contrast in class and difference in composure between these two will be big.
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El Kabong
In my opinion Cotto will have to switch up, be the aggressor one round, then allow Floyd to come to you. Floyd is so good at making adjustments mid fight that you have to beat him with a gameplan to use 3 or 4 different gameplans. You've got to be aggressive, but not leave yourself open for counters, you've got to use good defense but also you have to win rounds. Floyd will no doubt use his questionable tactics (much like other great fighters), the elbows and forearms, but Cotto is a hoss, he can give back some rough stuff as well.
Cotto should not ONLY focus on the body, but he should gun for Floyd's arms as well. Floyd uses his arms for defense and he's one of the best defensive fighters I've ever seen, but the manner in which he uses them he has to have quick reactions to counterpunch...if his arms got slowed down by power punches then theoretically he would be more vulnerable. The main thing is Cotto has to find a way to negate Floyd's speed....if he can do that with his power or with his timing he can pull off a HUGE upset!
Cotto has been burried by his critics before "He'll never be the same" after the Margarito fight, "He's done as a fighter" after the Pacquiao fight....well this is Cotto's chance to achieve the seemingly impossible...I for one know he'll put up a hell of a fight!
Great post Lyle, Cotto does need to take the initiative and set the tempo for the fight adjusting the game plan not allowing Floyd to find his rhythm.
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It is official, my estimation of Floyd Mayweather has increased tenfold by this announcement to fight Cotto at light middle weight. Well done to him for getting out of his comfort zone and taking a real challenge. Whilst Cotto is slightly damaged from his 2 defeats, he has come back strong with his victories and established himself as a good champion at the weight. Floyd is taking Cotto at his weight so the fight nearly evens itself out but I have Floyd as marginal favourite. It will be a terrific technical fight which I am really looking forward to.
I do think the fight is at catch weight 150lb.
Conversely my estimation in Pacquiao has gone down, he tried to force Cotto to fight at a lower weight, which Cotto refused. Well done to him for standing his ground and not going for the money.
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Master
It is official, my estimation of Floyd Mayweather has increased tenfold by this announcement to fight Cotto at light middle weight. Well done to him for getting out of his comfort zone and taking a real challenge. Whilst Cotto is slightly damaged from his 2 defeats, he has come back strong with his victories and established himself as a good champion at the weight. Floyd is taking Cotto at his weight so the fight nearly evens itself out but I have Floyd as marginal favourite. It will be a terrific technical fight which I am really looking forward to.
I do think the fight is at catch weight 150lb.
Conversely my estimation in Pacquiao has gone down, he tried to force Cotto to fight at a lower weight, which Cotto refused. Well done to him for standing his ground and not going for the money.
Everyone knows Cotto has stones...he fought Pacquiao without having a trainer in his corner!
I want to see Floyd try to get under Cotto's skin....ain't gonna happen bro!
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Great fight and again Floyd proving the naysayers wrong by taking him on at 154. Can't wait for this..I like Cotto and I hope he can make it competitive - I'm sure he won't embarass himself in the least.
Hulk, if this fight happened at 140, Floyd would have torn an inexperienced and weight drained Cotto a new hole. The best time this fight to happen for Cotto would have been at 147 after Floyd fought ODLH. At 154 he still will have a weight advantage so its a better fight than if it were at 140.
I'm pleased for both fighters. Cotto has earned his shot and pleased for Floyd once again sticking it to Team Pac and continues proving that he will take legit challenges without trying to disadvantage his opponent.
Roll on May 5th
I disagree as a young hungry undefeated Cotto beats a shopworn aging Cotto.
However I do agree that 147 probably would have been the absolute best time for these two to fight.
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If this fight actually happens on May 5th, I like Cotto's chances at 154, i'm really surprised Mayweather would agree to this fight, but I guess he's legally obligated, so it should happen.
I'd be surprised if it wasn't at a catch-weight.
According to Floyd, the fight will happen at the weight Cotto is most comfortable at, if true that would be at 154, no catch-weight.
Cotto fights often, and is used to being in "wars", but Floyd isn't, this could get interesting if Miguel can penetrate Mayweather's defense and land some significant shots. Floyd just might have bitten off more then he could chew.
I'm glad to hear it will be at 154. It still won't be competitive though. I can't see Cotto winning more than maybe two or three rounds and I think he gets knocked out.
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It's so ridiculous to see the Floyd v. Manny BS from only one viewpoint. They're both great in their own ways and should be appreciated as such.
Floyd fought Hatton at 147 when Hatton was clearly more effective at 140. Heck, Collazo almost beat him at 147. Floyd fought Marquez at 144 and came in at 146 when Marquez had never fought above 135 and only fought twice. Pacquiao fought Cotto at 145 when he should have fought Cotto at 147. It really goes both ways.
At least now we know Floyd has no problem fighting Pacquiao's leftovers after all because Floyd made it very clear that Pacquiao fights his leftovers. You know what I admire? For all the racist jabs, the youtube videos disparaging him etc., I don't believe I've heard Pacquiao say anything about PBF or at least very little.
Other than Lyle, does anyone else see this as competitive?
Nope.
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It will be competitive even the other posters are saying 7-5 or 8-4 so Cotto just needs a couple more to win this fight. I hope he can do it, he is smarter now.
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that's if the fight indeed does go through now, according to the papers this morning Bob Arum is now claiming that Cotto owes him one last fight :rolleyes:, Bob Arum seriously needs to have a stroke and retire already
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cotto before the 1st margarito fight would beat his head in, but now....this will be a interesting fight if cotto can get to mayweathers body, they goto get miguel back to working the body, he was one of the best body wreckers in the sport but thats almost ompleat gone from his game now.....goto work the body miguel its something that others havent donr to that prat......mayweather is fav but i hope cotto can pull one last great effort out of the hat, this will most prob be the last high profile fight of a great warriors carreer
GO COTTO
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Cotto will have to get down and dirty to stand a chance in this fight. Turn it into a brawl and don't be predictable because he could get a beating like Gatti got if he does.
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I think emotions are ruling the head here, the Miguel Cotto of 2012 is not the same guy from 2007/08. He is a great fighter and in my opinion has only ever lost once legitimately.
Floyd is still the best defensive fight of all time, Cotto's only chance is the body, he goes for the head and Floyd will not be there. It could be a Gatti type fight for Floyd, Cotto will be hit and hit often by Floyd, i expect a wide UD for PBF with one part of me hoping for a glorious left rip to the body by Cotto that has the pretty boy doubling up and falling to the canvas. It's a nice dream.
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PBF via wide UD...
Don't see Cotto giving PBF problems.
Maybe early in the fight Cotto lands a couple of good shots when he PBF decides to do the shoulder roll on the ropes but other than that PBF all day.
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Cotto beat Mosley with his jab, he did a great job with it. I think if Cotto can handle Judah's hand speed then he can do ok vs Floyd.
It should be a good fight, Cotto isn't in bad fights.
Thing is Cotto never really handled Judah's speed. Cotto punished and broke down Judah cuz is Judah. After 4 rounds he'll stop doing what's working for him. But whenever he decided to actually let his hands go he had success and would get the better of exchanges
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Sure Mayweather probably wins this by a wide points margin, but STYLES make fights. Miguel Cotto is a much more complete fighter than what Floyd has faced since De la Hoya. Mosley had power and handspeed, no defense. Zab had no discipline, Ortiz couldn't box, JMM had no power. Miguel Cotto can box, he has power, good timing, decent defense, a solid chin, a warrior's heart, and he can switch up from orthodox to southpaw.
To me, this is a very dangerous fight for Floyd. Cotto is sneaky with his power and sneaky with his speed. He doesn't look quick, but he can catch you coming in and put a hurting on you. Miguel also doesn't care where the hell he hits you he just wants to do damage...he stopped Gianaluca Branco with a left hook to the shoulder!!!
If Cotto prepares to go 12, uses the jab effectively AND remembers to attack the body.....well we might just have ourselves a fight fellas!!!!
He did. But that was what 6 years ago? That Cotto doesn't exist any more
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... that's 3 steps back. :camera:
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I could of just humored you and told you what you wanted to hear. But not wanting to give you false hope about Cotto non-existence chance I decided to be completely honest with you.
That should be like a 5 step jump
he can't do any worse than Marquez did, or than Margarito would
I can see Cotto getting stopped
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Cotto beat Mosley with his jab, he did a great job with it. I think if Cotto can handle Judah's hand speed then he can do ok vs Floyd.
It should be a good fight, Cotto isn't in bad fights.
Thing is Cotto never really handled Judah's speed. Cotto punished and broke down Judah cuz is Judah. After 4 rounds he'll stop doing what's working for him. But whenever he decided to actually let his hands go he had success and would get the better of exchanges
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Diane
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Sure Mayweather probably wins this by a wide points margin, but STYLES make fights. Miguel Cotto is a much more complete fighter than what Floyd has faced since De la Hoya. Mosley had power and handspeed, no defense. Zab had no discipline, Ortiz couldn't box, JMM had no power. Miguel Cotto can box, he has power, good timing, decent defense, a solid chin, a warrior's heart, and he can switch up from orthodox to southpaw.
To me, this is a very dangerous fight for Floyd. Cotto is sneaky with his power and sneaky with his speed. He doesn't look quick, but he can catch you coming in and put a hurting on you. Miguel also doesn't care where the hell he hits you he just wants to do damage...he stopped Gianaluca Branco with a left hook to the shoulder!!!
If Cotto prepares to go 12, uses the jab effectively AND remembers to attack the body.....well we might just have ourselves a fight fellas!!!!
He did. But that was what 6 years ago? That Cotto doesn't exist any more
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... that's 3 steps back. :camera:
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;D
I could of just humored you and told you what you wanted to hear. But not wanting to give you false hope about Cotto non-existence chance I decided to be completely honest with you.
That should be like a 5 step jump
he can't do any worse than Marquez did, or than Margarito would
I can see Cotto getting stopped
Mayweather could have stopped Marquez at any point from the 3rd on, he didn't simply out of choice rather than Marquez' ability to survive...
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I really want this fight to be on Box Nation as the Cotto v Margarito fight was, really could not care less about Pacquiau v Bradley fight, would not stay up for that fight as it does not excite me at all. It will be a Clottey type shut out.
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THE THIRD MAN
He is a great fighter and in my opinion has only ever lost once legitimately.
In my opinion he's never lost legit. Once to a handwrapping cheater and second to a weight drainer who had a huge question mark over his head for refusing to take PED tests.
But I agree, he is probably not the same as a result of those losses which is unfortunate because he's always been a great fighter. He showed me that he is still near his best vs Marg for the 2nd time though. Great boxing, good feet..just needs to touch the body a little more when it comes to Floyd after sticking the double jab in Floyds face..kinda like Oscar was having success doing.
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Why have I been thrown out of this thread.
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Cotto's ability in the past at working the body to not only slow down but k.o fighters was top draw, he's goto go back to those days...since the first Margarito fight and split from his uncle as trainer Cotto has moved away from what made him so dangerous. I would have liked Miguel to have got his uncle back in his corner for this fight, go back to his original style. Mayweather is much more fresher, longer reach, greater speed, reflexs and always boxes clever. Money may do to cotto what he did to Gatti if Miguel just trys to catch him rather then put together a solid gameplan......I really hope Cotto can pull it off, I feel Mayweather will start the fight with respect for Cottos power, Cotto has to put some fear in money with hurtfull body shots
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Mayweather is a very smart man. He picked May 5th , big day for Mexicans , and got Canelo put on the undercard. More Mexicans will buy now since Canelo is a superstar . He will get more PPV buys then Pacquiao vs Bradley then for November he will demand a bigger split for him since he will get more buys then Pac.
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Mayweather is a very smart man. He picked May 5th , big day for Mexicans , and got Canelo put on the undercard. More Mexicans will buy now since Canelo is a superstar . He will get more PPV buys then Pacquiao vs Bradley then for November he will demand a bigger split for him since he will get more buys then Pac.
Lol yep
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Why have I been thrown out of this thread.
Can they do that? You need to spread your arms and legs star shape, and as they try to push you through the door, grab hold of the biggest guys shirt and pull him out with you.
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Mayweather is a very smart man. A phrase not made meaningless through overuse.
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Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th
Unfortunately being a Cotto fan and hoping he knocks out Floyd, speed is what Cotto needs and speed is what Floyd has. Floyd will probably make this a cat-mouse game unless Angel Cotto really puts the pedal to the medal and mauls Floyd in a corner all night but the last time I saw Floyd he reminded everyone he trains hard and is a great ring technician. He is no fool and he is just as dangerous in that ring as the perfect predator in the jungle, a cat.
