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Foo u dont know shit about boxing... nobody is wrong until proven otherwise, Pactard..Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Cotto fought a guy with cement blocks on his knuckles when gave up. Floyd has brittle hands. Common sense dictates that you are more likely wrong with your theory there homie.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
U better put up or shutup on the saddoleague foo..
If it does turn out to be a close fight, or Cotto wins, then we could see a rematch, that is of course if the first fight wasn't a snoozer.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusGlad you changed your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
From Cotto via SD, to Floyd SD/UD. Don't be surprised if l change my mind again. That's how close the fight is going to be imo.
1 thang fosho though. l aint sig betting on this fight. Uh-uh, no sir.
I like the fact that the fight will be at 154, and that it will be for Cotto's WBA junior middleweight title, some small but significant advantages for Cotto.
I don't see Floyd knocking out Cotto, contrary to popular belief, Mayweather is not a big puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Cotto fought a guy with cement blocks on his knuckles when gave up. Floyd has brittle hands. Common sense dictates that you are more likely wrong with your theory there homie.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I've noticed in a few of Floyd's latest fights that he's leaving his defensive shell a bit to become more of a fan pleaser. I'm hoping he decides to open up and trade with Cotto, and if he does he's liable to get caught with something big. (we can hope)Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat's what I was explaining to my friend on PAC vs Marquez 3 that just cuz he looked bad vs mayweather doesn't mean hes gonna look bad vs pacquiao. I explained to him how if you have 2 great defensive fighters but one is bigger then the other the bigger one will always win easily because the little guy will have to go offensive and move out of his specialty the big guy just has counter and get out of the way which ofcourse is his specialty. There's other examples to but I'll just stick to that basic one I like to think of it as some one fighting an up hill battle too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThe thing is with Mayweather is his defense, he can make a great fighter, (think JMM) look like an amateur. I'd love to see Miguel win, but it would have to be considered a big upset, I still like Cotto's chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardus
That is very true. I really hope he does but he knows he's going up in weight so I think he might stick moving around and not get to risky. But oh how I hope he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI've noticed in a few of Floyd's latest fights that he's leaving his defensive shell a bit to become more of a fan pleaser. I'm hoping he decides to open up and trade with Cotto, and if he does he's liable to get caught with something big. (we can hope)Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat's what I was explaining to my friend on PAC vs Marquez 3 that just cuz he looked bad vs mayweather doesn't mean hes gonna look bad vs pacquiao. I explained to him how if you have 2 great defensive fighters but one is bigger then the other the bigger one will always win easily because the little guy will have to go offensive and move out of his specialty the big guy just has counter and get out of the way which ofcourse is his specialty. There's other examples to but I'll just stick to that basic one I like to think of it as some one fighting an up hill battle too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThe thing is with Mayweather is his defense, he can make a great fighter, (think JMM) look like an amateur. I'd love to see Miguel win, but it would have to be considered a big upset, I still like Cotto's chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardus
Contrary to popular belief? Nobody ever said floyd is a big puncher but one doesnt need to be a big puncher to score KOs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't see Floyd knocking out Cotto, contrary to popular belief, Mayweather is not a big puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Cotto fought a guy with cement blocks on his knuckles when gave up. Floyd has brittle hands. Common sense dictates that you are more likely wrong with your theory there homie.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Floyd's power comes from speed, timing, precision and punch placement which is more than enough to create knockouts.
punching power comes in many forms..
Lmfao! Like you've ever punched someone in your life. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaContrary to popular belief? Nobody ever said floyd is a big puncher but one doesnt need to be a big puncher to score KOs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't see Floyd knocking out Cotto, contrary to popular belief, Mayweather is not a big puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Cotto fought a guy with cement blocks on his knuckles when gave up. Floyd has brittle hands. Common sense dictates that you are more likely wrong with your theory there homie.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Floyd's power comes from speed, timing, precision and punch placement which is more than enough to create knockouts.
punching power comes in many forms..
Floyd's power comes from when his opponent choose to stop fighting and not look at him . Also known as "bitch ass sucker punch".
VD gets more intelligent after you put him on ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He's lost two fights. One to a cheater, where he was smart enough to take a knee and avoid getting pummeled by plaster casts... and another where the REF stopped the fight. But what the hell am I doing even acknowledging your stupidity in this forum? You sure that baseball bat didn't actually hit you on the head?
Cotto isn't going to outbox Mayweather, his only shot at winning the fight is if he can make a war out of it, keep the pressure on and outwork him. If Miguel tries to "box" he'll get schooled.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat is very true. I really hope he does but he knows he's going up in weight so I think he might stick moving around and not get to risky. But oh how I hope he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI've noticed in a few of Floyd's latest fights that he's leaving his defensive shell a bit to become more of a fan pleaser. I'm hoping he decides to open up and trade with Cotto, and if he does he's liable to get caught with something big. (we can hope)Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat's what I was explaining to my friend on PAC vs Marquez 3 that just cuz he looked bad vs mayweather doesn't mean hes gonna look bad vs pacquiao. I explained to him how if you have 2 great defensive fighters but one is bigger then the other the bigger one will always win easily because the little guy will have to go offensive and move out of his specialty the big guy just has counter and get out of the way which ofcourse is his specialty. There's other examples to but I'll just stick to that basic one I like to think of it as some one fighting an up hill battle too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThe thing is with Mayweather is his defense, he can make a great fighter, (think JMM) look like an amateur. I'd love to see Miguel win, but it would have to be considered a big upset, I still like Cotto's chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardus
Hopefully it's like mayweather vs Castillo 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axCotto isn't going to outbox Mayweather, his only shot at winning the fight is if he can make a war out of it, keep the pressure on and outwork him. If Miguel tries to "box" he'll get schooled.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat is very true. I really hope he does but he knows he's going up in weight so I think he might stick moving around and not get to risky. But oh how I hope he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI've noticed in a few of Floyd's latest fights that he's leaving his defensive shell a bit to become more of a fan pleaser. I'm hoping he decides to open up and trade with Cotto, and if he does he's liable to get caught with something big. (we can hope)Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat's what I was explaining to my friend on PAC vs Marquez 3 that just cuz he looked bad vs mayweather doesn't mean hes gonna look bad vs pacquiao. I explained to him how if you have 2 great defensive fighters but one is bigger then the other the bigger one will always win easily because the little guy will have to go offensive and move out of his specialty the big guy just has counter and get out of the way which ofcourse is his specialty. There's other examples to but I'll just stick to that basic one I like to think of it as some one fighting an up hill battle too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThe thing is with Mayweather is his defense, he can make a great fighter, (think JMM) look like an amateur. I'd love to see Miguel win, but it would have to be considered a big upset, I still like Cotto's chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardus
Cotto needs to mix the two, box at certain points and attack and others. Controlling the fight is the key to it and not allowing Floyd to find a rhythm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axCotto isn't going to outbox Mayweather, his only shot at winning the fight is if he can make a war out of it, keep the pressure on and outwork him. If Miguel tries to "box" he'll get schooled.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat is very true. I really hope he does but he knows he's going up in weight so I think he might stick moving around and not get to risky. But oh how I hope he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI've noticed in a few of Floyd's latest fights that he's leaving his defensive shell a bit to become more of a fan pleaser. I'm hoping he decides to open up and trade with Cotto, and if he does he's liable to get caught with something big. (we can hope)Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat's what I was explaining to my friend on PAC vs Marquez 3 that just cuz he looked bad vs mayweather doesn't mean hes gonna look bad vs pacquiao. I explained to him how if you have 2 great defensive fighters but one is bigger then the other the bigger one will always win easily because the little guy will have to go offensive and move out of his specialty the big guy just has counter and get out of the way which ofcourse is his specialty. There's other examples to but I'll just stick to that basic one I like to think of it as some one fighting an up hill battle too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThe thing is with Mayweather is his defense, he can make a great fighter, (think JMM) look like an amateur. I'd love to see Miguel win, but it would have to be considered a big upset, I still like Cotto's chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardus
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Originally Posted by Mars_axCotto isn't going to outbox Mayweather, his only shot at winning the fight is if he can make a war out of it, keep the pressure on and outwork him. If Miguel tries to "box" he'll get schooled.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat is very true. I really hope he does but he knows he's going up in weight so I think he might stick moving around and not get to risky. But oh how I hope he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI've noticed in a few of Floyd's latest fights that he's leaving his defensive shell a bit to become more of a fan pleaser. I'm hoping he decides to open up and trade with Cotto, and if he does he's liable to get caught with something big. (we can hope)Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat's what I was explaining to my friend on PAC vs Marquez 3 that just cuz he looked bad vs mayweather doesn't mean hes gonna look bad vs pacquiao. I explained to him how if you have 2 great defensive fighters but one is bigger then the other the bigger one will always win easily because the little guy will have to go offensive and move out of his specialty the big guy just has counter and get out of the way which ofcourse is his specialty. There's other examples to but I'll just stick to that basic one I like to think of it as some one fighting an up hill battle too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThe thing is with Mayweather is his defense, he can make a great fighter, (think JMM) look like an amateur. I'd love to see Miguel win, but it would have to be considered a big upset, I still like Cotto's chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardus
True, Cotto's only chance is to go immediately on the offensive, Mosley almost got Floyd in round 2 of their fight, Cotto must attack Floyd from the first bell. Doing it for 12 rounds is the problem and Floyd is a master ring tactician, he might not be the sharpest tool in the shed outside the ring, but he is a defensive master in the ring and is very smart in it. Cotto will have to land big very early otherwise Floyd will just pick him off at will and win a wide UD.
Cotto is very capable of making this a great fight, Floyd is the one who will put a dampener on the proceedings.
Fer sure, like I said earlier in the thread, Floyd has the abilty to make a great fighter look like an amateur. Hopefully Cotto can make this fight competitive, I can see however, why most are skeptical of his chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axCotto isn't going to outbox Mayweather, his only shot at winning the fight is if he can make a war out of it, keep the pressure on and outwork him. If Miguel tries to "box" he'll get schooled.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat is very true. I really hope he does but he knows he's going up in weight so I think he might stick moving around and not get to risky. But oh how I hope he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI've noticed in a few of Floyd's latest fights that he's leaving his defensive shell a bit to become more of a fan pleaser. I'm hoping he decides to open up and trade with Cotto, and if he does he's liable to get caught with something big. (we can hope)Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThat's what I was explaining to my friend on PAC vs Marquez 3 that just cuz he looked bad vs mayweather doesn't mean hes gonna look bad vs pacquiao. I explained to him how if you have 2 great defensive fighters but one is bigger then the other the bigger one will always win easily because the little guy will have to go offensive and move out of his specialty the big guy just has counter and get out of the way which ofcourse is his specialty. There's other examples to but I'll just stick to that basic one I like to think of it as some one fighting an up hill battle too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThe thing is with Mayweather is his defense, he can make a great fighter, (think JMM) look like an amateur. I'd love to see Miguel win, but it would have to be considered a big upset, I still like Cotto's chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardus
True, Cotto's only chance is to go immediately on the offensive, Mosley almost got Floyd in round 2 of their fight, Cotto must attack Floyd from the first bell. Doing it for 12 rounds is the problem and Floyd is a master ring tactician, he might not be the sharpest tool in the shed outside the ring, but he is a defensive master in the ring and is very smart in it. Cotto will have to land big very early otherwise Floyd will just pick him off at will and win a wide UD.
Cotto is very capable of making this a great fight, Floyd is the one who will put a dampener on the proceedings.
The ref stopping the fight was really just a technicality. Cotto had already quit a couple of rounds earlier. It's easy to tell when he's checked out of a fight. He starts backing up in a circular motion with his hands at his waist and tries to avoid punches by moving his upper body. Not that it ever helps. Cotto is one of the few fighters who can go into survival mode and still takes as much punishment if not more than when he's not in survival modeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He's lost two fights. One to a cheater, where he was smart enough to take a knee and avoid getting pummeled by plaster casts... and another where the REF stopped the fight. But what the hell am I doing even acknowledging your stupidity in this forum? You sure that baseball bat didn't actually hit you on the head?
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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012I am relatively new to this site but I am going to say your a Cotto nut hugger?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Do you and VD compare notes before posting?
Just wondering...
Get back to me when you get the testical fortitude to form your own opinions, newbie.
;)
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe ref stopping the fight was really just a technicality. Cotto had already quit a couple of rounds earlier. It's easy to tell when he's checked out of a fight. He starts backing up in a circular motion with his hands at his waist and tries to avoid punches by moving his upper body. Not that it ever helps. Cotto is one of the few fighters who can go into survival mode and still takes as much punishment if not more than when he's not in survival modeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He's lost two fights. One to a cheater, where he was smart enough to take a knee and avoid getting pummeled by plaster casts... and another where the REF stopped the fight. But what the hell am I doing even acknowledging your stupidity in this forum? You sure that baseball bat didn't actually hit you on the head?
Wow... all this wisdom gathered from watching a boxer with two WHOLE defeats in his career. And one to a plaster-gloved cheater. Amazing. I know you're hell-bent on declaring Cotto a "quitter" in your inmense boxing wisdom... but you (and your groupies) are in a distinct minority. Fact of the matter is... fighters go into "survival mode", as you put it, sometimes while they gather their wits and are coming up with a new game plan. And how a fighter goes into that mode varies from fighter to fighter. Unlike you'd have us all believe, not all fighters throw caution to the wind and let the chips fall where they may. Some clinch... some sway... some back up more... some resort to fouling. Part of boxing, my thuggish friend.
But what the hell. You're mind is made up... and so are the minds of the groupies that worship the ground you walk on.
;)
Cotto isn't a quitter.
Anyone that is a quitter would have taken the easy out in the Clottey fight. Cotto dropped Clottey from a jab in round 1. Accidental butt, he had opportunity anytime after the 4th to complain about the cut and let it go to the scorecards which would have had him ahead. But he didn't.
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Originally Posted by captainanddew
Forget it dude. Logic is wasted on "haters". It's like pissing into the wind.
I know your lust for Cotto is strong. So you feel the need to defend him no matter what. Fine. Whatever. But I have no doubt if it was Berto, Margarito or any one not named Cotto in there against Pac you would be saying they quit. Cuz the only game plan Cotto was trying to come up with when he started retreating was to either quit himself or have his corner do it for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe ref stopping the fight was really just a technicality. Cotto had already quit a couple of rounds earlier. It's easy to tell when he's checked out of a fight. He starts backing up in a circular motion with his hands at his waist and tries to avoid punches by moving his upper body. Not that it ever helps. Cotto is one of the few fighters who can go into survival mode and still takes as much punishment if not more than when he's not in survival modeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He's lost two fights. One to a cheater, where he was smart enough to take a knee and avoid getting pummeled by plaster casts... and another where the REF stopped the fight. But what the hell am I doing even acknowledging your stupidity in this forum? You sure that baseball bat didn't actually hit you on the head?
Wow... all this wisdom gathered from watching a boxer with two WHOLE defeats in his career. And one to a plaster-gloved cheater. Amazing. I know you're hell-bent on declaring Cotto a "quitter" in your inmense boxing wisdom... but you (and your groupies) are in a distinct minority. Fact of the matter is... fighters go into "survival mode", as you put it, sometimes while they gather their wits and are coming up with a new game plan. And how a fighter goes into that mode varies from fighter to fighter. Unlike you'd have us all believe, not all fighters throw caution to the wind and let the chips fall where they may. Some clinch... some sway... some back up more... some resort to fouling. Part of boxing, my thuggish friend.
But what the hell. You're mind is made up... and so are the minds of the groupies that worship the ground you walk on.
;)
I think that if Cotto can remain patient and use his feet, go for a walk now and then and keep Mayweather on the front foot, then that gives him more of an opportunity to score.
I expect to see Cotto backpedaling at least once around and thus making the fight a little bit of a boring one. And maybe a very hard one to score.
Is it wrong to agree with someone's statement ? Or is it wrong because I'm agreeing with them on a statement that makes Cotto look bad. Cotto is just collecting paychecks now he doesn't want to be the best he just wants money. And he has said it himself. He is going to show up , get schooled by Mayweather and just smile all the way to the bank. He isn't a warrior anymore he is a quiter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012I am relatively new to this site but I am going to say your a Cotto nut hugger?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Do you and VD compare notes before posting?
Just wondering...
Get back to me when you get the testical fortitude to form your own opinions, newbie.
;)
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI know your lust for Cotto is strong. So you feel the need to defend him no matter what. Fine. Whatever. But I have no doubt if it was Berto, Margarito or any one not named Cotto in there against Pac you would be saying they quit. Cuz the only game plan Cotto was trying to come up with when he started retreating was to either quit himself or have his corner do it for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe ref stopping the fight was really just a technicality. Cotto had already quit a couple of rounds earlier. It's easy to tell when he's checked out of a fight. He starts backing up in a circular motion with his hands at his waist and tries to avoid punches by moving his upper body. Not that it ever helps. Cotto is one of the few fighters who can go into survival mode and still takes as much punishment if not more than when he's not in survival modeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He's lost two fights. One to a cheater, where he was smart enough to take a knee and avoid getting pummeled by plaster casts... and another where the REF stopped the fight. But what the hell am I doing even acknowledging your stupidity in this forum? You sure that baseball bat didn't actually hit you on the head?
Wow... all this wisdom gathered from watching a boxer with two WHOLE defeats in his career. And one to a plaster-gloved cheater. Amazing. I know you're hell-bent on declaring Cotto a "quitter" in your inmense boxing wisdom... but you (and your groupies) are in a distinct minority. Fact of the matter is... fighters go into "survival mode", as you put it, sometimes while they gather their wits and are coming up with a new game plan. And how a fighter goes into that mode varies from fighter to fighter. Unlike you'd have us all believe, not all fighters throw caution to the wind and let the chips fall where they may. Some clinch... some sway... some back up more... some resort to fouling. Part of boxing, my thuggish friend.
But what the hell. You're mind is made up... and so are the minds of the groupies that worship the ground you walk on.
;)
I'm going to continue to try reasoning with you, against my better judgement. Don't you understand that Cotto did not have a sound game plan against Pacquaio? You DO understand that he was in there with basically a non-entity of a trainer... the joker who happened to fill the gap between Cotto's uncle, and Emanuel Stewart.... right? Cotto started out well enough... snapping Pac's head back with good jabs. But soon after (and without direction), started trading with Pacquiao... and got caught with numerous good shots. After that... he did go into his survival mode, but only trying to clear his head and figure out another strategy. Is this such an unheard of concept for you?
Let me turn it around for you. In any other boxer other than Cotto... you'd be calling this defense, or strategy, or whatever. But since Cotto's never done it for you, you call it "quitting". AND... you've got your little legion of followers who can't form their own sentences, and resort to parroting the crap you spout so often.
Any chance there might be some truth in any of this...... sport?
;)
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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012Is it wrong to agree with someone's statement ? Or is it wrong because I'm agreeing with them on a statement that makes Cotto look bad. Cotto is just collecting paychecks now he doesn't want to be the best he just wants money. And he has said it himself. He is going to show up , get schooled by Mayweather and just smile all the way to the bank. He isn't a warrior anymore he is a quiter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012I am relatively new to this site but I am going to say your a Cotto nut hugger?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Do you and VD compare notes before posting?
Just wondering...
Get back to me when you get the testical fortitude to form your own opinions, newbie.
;)
Coming from a veteran poster... and based on OWN opinions, not following the opinion of others... I would say it wasn't wrong. Yours are neither. You follow the first thing you read, and fall in line just like the rest of the groupies. I don't respect that. Base your opinions on FACT.
By the way, post ONE QUOTE where Miguel has said himself that "he's just collecting paychecks now, and doesn't want to be the best, he just wants money." Show me just ONE QUOTE with that statement, and I'll shut up.
Otherwise, start forming your own opinions.
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012Is it wrong to agree with someone's statement ? Or is it wrong because I'm agreeing with them on a statement that makes Cotto look bad. Cotto is just collecting paychecks now he doesn't want to be the best he just wants money. And he has said it himself. He is going to show up , get schooled by Mayweather and just smile all the way to the bank. He isn't a warrior anymore he is a quiter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012I am relatively new to this site but I am going to say your a Cotto nut hugger?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Do you and VD compare notes before posting?
Just wondering...
Get back to me when you get the testical fortitude to form your own opinions, newbie.
;)
Coming from a veteran poster... and based on OWN opinions, not following the opinion of others... I would say it wasn't wrong. Yours are neither. You follow the first thing you read, and fall in line just like the rest of the groupies. I don't respect that. Base your opinions on FACT.
By the way, post ONE QUOTE where Miguel has said himself that "he's just collecting paychecks now, and doesn't want to be the best, he just wants money." Show me just ONE QUOTE with that statement, and I'll shut up.
Otherwise, start forming your own opinions.
He said it on Friday. On the Spanish FNF he was there the whole time. They showed him the video of Martinez waking he would give Cotto all the money if he won. I'll try to find a video of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKY_1Z1tNdY&feature=youtube_gdata_playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012Is it wrong to agree with someone's statement ? Or is it wrong because I'm agreeing with them on a statement that makes Cotto look bad. Cotto is just collecting paychecks now he doesn't want to be the best he just wants money. And he has said it himself. He is going to show up , get schooled by Mayweather and just smile all the way to the bank. He isn't a warrior anymore he is a quiter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012I am relatively new to this site but I am going to say your a Cotto nut hugger?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Do you and VD compare notes before posting?
Just wondering...
Get back to me when you get the testical fortitude to form your own opinions, newbie.
;)
Coming from a veteran poster... and based on OWN opinions, not following the opinion of others... I would say it wasn't wrong. Yours are neither. You follow the first thing you read, and fall in line just like the rest of the groupies. I don't respect that. Base your opinions on FACT.
By the way, post ONE QUOTE where Miguel has said himself that "he's just collecting paychecks now, and doesn't want to be the best, he just wants money." Show me just ONE QUOTE with that statement, and I'll shut up.
Otherwise, start forming your own opinions.
He said it on Friday. On the Spanish FNF he was there the whole time. They showed him the video of Martinez waking he would give Cotto all the money if he won. I'll try to find a video of it.
That's the video it's in Spanish so hopefully you can understand it if your not. But he did say he's chasing the big money fight that this career eventually turns to a buisness thing but he also said that's what happens when your fighting the best and right now im only "fighting" the best. Also he stated they've thought about fighting Sergio and he's one of the names they're looking at but that he's only fought class C or B fighters. So I wonder why doesn't Martinez get judged for wanting money fights? He's only calling out big names what does that tell you? Ofcourse Cotto wants the money now but to stay winning money you also have to win or be giving a hell of a fight. So I doubt that he's gonna go in there and just let himself get his ass kicked. If that was the case he probably would've just rematches pacquiao and wouldn't have cared about the weight I'm just saying.
It's wrong to agree that Cotto is a quitter, when he's more than proved he isn't, that's just agreeing with hate. You're just parroting the same shit that a couple other "haters" spew on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012I am relatively new to this site but I am going to say your a Cotto nut hugger?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Do you and VD compare notes before posting?
Just wondering...
Get back to me when you get the testical fortitude to form your own opinions, newbie.
;)
Is it wrong to agree with someone's statement ? Or is it wrong because I'm agreeing with them on a statement that makes Cotto look bad. Cotto is just collecting paychecks now he doesn't want to be the best he just wants money. And he has said it himself. He is going to show up , get schooled by Mayweather and just smile all the way to the bank. He isn't a warrior anymore he is a quiter.
How anyone can slag Cotto off is beyond me , the guy has fought everyone , and is a credit to boxing, a true gent and a true warrior, there is no way Cotto is a quitter , that is just shit talk .
PSL, when Uncle Arum decides to sacrifice his little boy to Floyd I will sig bet you that Floyd will knock out Manny Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Lmfao! Like you've ever punched someone in your life. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaContrary to popular belief? Nobody ever said floyd is a big puncher but one doesnt need to be a big puncher to score KOs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't see Floyd knocking out Cotto, contrary to popular belief, Mayweather is not a big puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Cotto fought a guy with cement blocks on his knuckles when gave up. Floyd has brittle hands. Common sense dictates that you are more likely wrong with your theory there homie.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Floyd's power comes from speed, timing, precision and punch placement which is more than enough to create knockouts.
punching power comes in many forms..
Floyd's power comes from when his opponent choose to stop fighting and not look at him . Also known as "bitch ass sucker punch".
You will win the bet if there is any other result other than a Floyd Mayweather K.O, deal? Remember this post
Cotto by a very surprising TKO.....I hope
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Originally Posted by AlthugzPSL, when Uncle Arum decides to sacrifice his little boy to Floyd I will sig bet you that Floyd will knock out Manny Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Lmfao! Like you've ever punched someone in your life. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaContrary to popular belief? Nobody ever said floyd is a big puncher but one doesnt need to be a big puncher to score KOs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't see Floyd knocking out Cotto, contrary to popular belief, Mayweather is not a big puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Cotto fought a guy with cement blocks on his knuckles when gave up. Floyd has brittle hands. Common sense dictates that you are more likely wrong with your theory there homie.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Floyd's power comes from speed, timing, precision and punch placement which is more than enough to create knockouts.
punching power comes in many forms..
Floyd's power comes from when his opponent choose to stop fighting and not look at him . Also known as "bitch ass sucker punch".
You will win the bet if there is any other result other than a Floyd Mayweather K.O, deal? Remember this post
Bookmarked!!!
SURE!!!
Let's do 1 year!!!
Confirmed?
Margocheato is done. He's proven cheater and now a damaged good.
You cannot clean his reputation by hating Cotto. Margocheato will be foreverly remembered as poop.
Floyd is in amazing shape but he's 35...the years WILL catch up with him one would think. Cotto is a complete boxer, he's got good power and can switch up from orthodox to southpaw with great success.
To me, Cotto is the most well rounded fighter Floyd will has fought since De la Hoya.
A little logic goes a long way, if Cotto was a quitter, why would he set up a rematch with Margo? Miguel also made his point in the rematch, Margo isn't the same billy bad ass without loaded wraps.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Abelardushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKY_1...e_gdata_playerQuote:
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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012Is it wrong to agree with someone's statement ? Or is it wrong because I'm agreeing with them on a statement that makes Cotto look bad. Cotto is just collecting paychecks now he doesn't want to be the best he just wants money. And he has said it himself. He is going to show up , get schooled by Mayweather and just smile all the way to the bank. He isn't a warrior anymore he is a quiter.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012I am relatively new to this site but I am going to say your a Cotto nut hugger?Quote:
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Do you and VD compare notes before posting?
Just wondering...
Get back to me when you get the testical fortitude to form your own opinions, newbie.
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Coming from a veteran poster... and based on OWN opinions, not following the opinion of others... I would say it wasn't wrong. Yours are neither. You follow the first thing you read, and fall in line just like the rest of the groupies. I don't respect that. Base your opinions on FACT.
By the way, post ONE QUOTE where Miguel has said himself that "he's just collecting paychecks now, and doesn't want to be the best, he just wants money." Show me just ONE QUOTE with that statement, and I'll shut up.
Otherwise, start forming your own opinions.
He said it on Friday. On the Spanish FNF he was there the whole time. They showed him the video of Martinez waking he would give Cotto all the money if he won. I'll try to find a video of it.
That's the video it's in Spanish so hopefully you can understand it if your not. But he did say he's chasing the big money fight that this career eventually turns to a buisness thing but he also said that's what happens when your fighting the best and right now im only "fighting" the best. Also he stated they've thought about fighting Sergio and he's one of the names they're looking at but that he's only fought class C or B fighters. So I wonder why doesn't Martinez get judged for wanting money fights? He's only calling out big names what does that tell you? Ofcourse Cotto wants the money now but to stay winning money you also have to win or be giving a hell of a fight. So I doubt that he's gonna go in there and just let himself get his ass kicked. If that was the case he probably would've just rematches pacquiao and wouldn't have cared about the weight I'm just saying.
Once again... you're using logic and facts to refute parroted remarks that are repeated without any thought or research whatsoever. Kudos for posting the video and setting the record straight. There's a world of difference between saying "you don't want to be the best", and saying "you only want to fight the best". But again... parrots only repeat what they hear and sounds good. They have no earthly idea what the hell they're saying.
But good job anyway.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI know your lust for Cotto is strong. So you feel the need to defend him no matter what. Fine. Whatever. But I have no doubt if it was Berto, Margarito or any one not named Cotto in there against Pac you would be saying they quit. Cuz the only game plan Cotto was trying to come up with when he started retreating was to either quit himself or have his corner do it for him.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe ref stopping the fight was really just a technicality. Cotto had already quit a couple of rounds earlier. It's easy to tell when he's checked out of a fight. He starts backing up in a circular motion with his hands at his waist and tries to avoid punches by moving his upper body. Not that it ever helps. Cotto is one of the few fighters who can go into survival mode and still takes as much punishment if not more than when he's not in survival modeQuote:
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He's lost two fights. One to a cheater, where he was smart enough to take a knee and avoid getting pummeled by plaster casts... and another where the REF stopped the fight. But what the hell am I doing even acknowledging your stupidity in this forum? You sure that baseball bat didn't actually hit you on the head?
Wow... all this wisdom gathered from watching a boxer with two WHOLE defeats in his career. And one to a plaster-gloved cheater. Amazing. I know you're hell-bent on declaring Cotto a "quitter" in your inmense boxing wisdom... but you (and your groupies) are in a distinct minority. Fact of the matter is... fighters go into "survival mode", as you put it, sometimes while they gather their wits and are coming up with a new game plan. And how a fighter goes into that mode varies from fighter to fighter. Unlike you'd have us all believe, not all fighters throw caution to the wind and let the chips fall where they may. Some clinch... some sway... some back up more... some resort to fouling. Part of boxing, my thuggish friend.
But what the hell. You're mind is made up... and so are the minds of the groupies that worship the ground you walk on.
;)
I'm going to continue to try reasoning with you, against my better judgement. Don't you understand that Cotto did not have a sound game plan against Pacquaio? You DO understand that he was in there with basically a non-entity of a trainer... the joker who happened to fill the gap between Cotto's uncle, and Emanuel Stewart.... right? Cotto started out well enough... snapping Pac's head back with good jabs. But soon after (and without direction), started trading with Pacquiao... and got caught with numerous good shots. After that... he did go into his survival mode, but only trying to clear his head and figure out another strategy. Is this such an unheard of concept for you?
Let me turn it around for you. In any other boxer other than Cotto... you'd be calling this defense, or strategy, or whatever. But since Cotto's never done it for you, you call it "quitting". AND... you've got your little legion of followers who can't form their own sentences, and resort to parroting the crap you spout so often.
Any chance there might be some truth in any of this...... sport?
;)
There's some truth to it. But it's irrelevant. And you make yourself look like a fool by even bringing it up. More than you usually do. Think about it. The man went into the biggest fight of his career without a legit trainer. Who's fucking fault was that? Nobody but his fucking own. There is no excuse for him not having one. And there is no way it can be used as an excuse. Cotto was not some green rookie who had just turned pro. He was a vet with multiple championship fights to his name. He had a back up plan. He didn't execute it cuz the PR in him kicked in and he decided to quit instead.
Once an asshole always an asshole. Reasoning is wasted on you. You spout your shit and constantly piss off the good people in this forum. AND... you've got your intimidated groupies with no thoughts of their own, who must worship the bullshit avatar you insist on having next to your name.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI know your lust for Cotto is strong. So you feel the need to defend him no matter what. Fine. Whatever. But I have no doubt if it was Berto, Margarito or any one not named Cotto in there against Pac you would be saying they quit. Cuz the only game plan Cotto was trying to come up with when he started retreating was to either quit himself or have his corner do it for him.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe ref stopping the fight was really just a technicality. Cotto had already quit a couple of rounds earlier. It's easy to tell when he's checked out of a fight. He starts backing up in a circular motion with his hands at his waist and tries to avoid punches by moving his upper body. Not that it ever helps. Cotto is one of the few fighters who can go into survival mode and still takes as much punishment if not more than when he's not in survival modeQuote:
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He's lost two fights. One to a cheater, where he was smart enough to take a knee and avoid getting pummeled by plaster casts... and another where the REF stopped the fight. But what the hell am I doing even acknowledging your stupidity in this forum? You sure that baseball bat didn't actually hit you on the head?
Wow... all this wisdom gathered from watching a boxer with two WHOLE defeats in his career. And one to a plaster-gloved cheater. Amazing. I know you're hell-bent on declaring Cotto a "quitter" in your inmense boxing wisdom... but you (and your groupies) are in a distinct minority. Fact of the matter is... fighters go into "survival mode", as you put it, sometimes while they gather their wits and are coming up with a new game plan. And how a fighter goes into that mode varies from fighter to fighter. Unlike you'd have us all believe, not all fighters throw caution to the wind and let the chips fall where they may. Some clinch... some sway... some back up more... some resort to fouling. Part of boxing, my thuggish friend.
But what the hell. You're mind is made up... and so are the minds of the groupies that worship the ground you walk on.
;)
I'm going to continue to try reasoning with you, against my better judgement. Don't you understand that Cotto did not have a sound game plan against Pacquaio? You DO understand that he was in there with basically a non-entity of a trainer... the joker who happened to fill the gap between Cotto's uncle, and Emanuel Stewart.... right? Cotto started out well enough... snapping Pac's head back with good jabs. But soon after (and without direction), started trading with Pacquiao... and got caught with numerous good shots. After that... he did go into his survival mode, but only trying to clear his head and figure out another strategy. Is this such an unheard of concept for you?
Let me turn it around for you. In any other boxer other than Cotto... you'd be calling this defense, or strategy, or whatever. But since Cotto's never done it for you, you call it "quitting". AND... you've got your little legion of followers who can't form their own sentences, and resort to parroting the crap you spout so often.
Any chance there might be some truth in any of this...... sport?
;)
There's some truth to it. But it's irrelevant. And you make yourself look like a fool by even bringing it up. More than you usually do. Think about it. The man went into the biggest fight of his career without a legit trainer. Who's fucking fault was that? Nobody but his fucking own. There is no excuse for him not having one. And there is no way it can be used as an excuse. Cotto was not some green rookie who had just turned pro. He was a vet with multiple championship fights to his name. He had a back up plan. He didn't execute it cuz the PR in him kicked in and he decided to quit instead.
Get back to me when you have something intelligent to say, asswipe.
VD... if you're going to insist on your "Cotto is a quitter" bullshit... at least post something new that in some way PROVES your point. Otherwise, do us all a favor and just shut the fuck up.
Ok?
;)
You're better than this Tito, why bother? Just put the little shit stain on ignore, problem solved.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mars_axYou're better than this Tito, why bother? Just put the little shit stain on ignore, problem solved.Quote:
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Yeah you're right bro. But I'd have to put his followers on ignore also..... hmmmm... which come to think of it might not be a bad idea.
;D
Yes the cold hard truth usually does hurt. Which is why instead of taking it like a man you go to the insults. Whatever. It don't bother me none. But I ain't the one to blame for your anger. You got 2 people for that. Your idol Cotto, for being a quitter. And your own dumb ass, You set yourself up by saying stupid, moronic shit like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanOnce an asshole always an asshole. Reasoning is wasted on you. You spout your shit and constantly piss off the good people in this forum. AND... you've got your intimidated groupies with no thoughts of their own, who must worship the bullshit avatar you insist on having next to your name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Get back to me when you have something intelligent to say, asswipe.
"Don't you understand that Cotto did not have a sound game plan against Pacquaio? You DO understand that he was in there with basically a non-entity of a trainer"
Like that even fucking matters. It doesn't. If the man wants to go into the biggest fight of his career with some clown posing as a trainer than fine. Let him. That's his own stupidity. The fact that you're pathetic enough to actually try and use it as an excuse shows you're the definition of a groupie.