OK... how did you score the Pac-Bradley fight?

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

I wasn't keeping a direct scorecard cos I was drinking, but I didn't really think Bradley was in it at all. Manny could have had him out of there in the 4th, why he took his foot off the pedal is beyond me? Bradley couldn't take the speed, and I thought it was going to be an early night, but he just let Bradley back into the fight. Fucking pathetic and that decision was a disgrace to the sport.

I spent £15 for that fight and watched it with all of my mates who aren't propa boxing fans and they were so
Shocked with such a bullshit decision. How anybody could have Bradley winning the fight is beyond me. The only reason you could have given Bradley rounds is because Manny was coasting and letting him
Into the fight, it was horrible to see.


It kinda makes me not support a rematch, why should I pay money to support bullshit things that occur? It's horrible, it's left a really bitter taste on my mouth this morning. If the rematch does happen and Pacquiao doesn't stop Bradley within 5 rounds, I would think there was something bad again happening.

That fight was so bad for the sport of boxing, really feel let down. Hope something happens about this cos
That wasn't right, the way they made you await so long for the fight was too painful, ricky Hatton and buncey were chatting on for so long it was
Painful at times. All around horrible not of boxing, i feel gutted. You had to feel sorry for Jorge Arce too, wtf was that about really?

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Maybe drinking a little to much? Bradley won against an old Manny who has definitely lost his aura of invincibility that began with Marquez 3 and continued against Bradley. I had no problem with 115-113 Bradley.

My wife gave birth 2 days ago and is still in the ward so I decided to visit her over watching the fight live at the club. Kinda wish I chose the latter though because all I can get my hands on are shitty vids on youtube where its just too blurry to do the fight any justice :-\ From what I've seen though Bradley didn't seem as dominated as I'd read up on but alot of that seems to stem from how negatively he was fighting at times. I think the whole "bend at the waist below the belt when I see an exchange coming that I haven't initiated" needs to be phased out of the sport. Either that or you flat out rabbit punch the guy as soon he does it (but your not allowed to punch a guy in the back who is deliberately presenting it :confused:) I don't mind if its done to set up a counter uppercut or blended into a weave to set up a left-hook but when a fighter does it to simply set up a clinch he should at least be warned. Hate to say it but I'd pay to see a boxer try that one too many times and get straight up kicked in the face. It just slows down the fight down to such a tedious pace and makes a guy nervous not to throw because he will be countered but because its just a waste of time. Anyway, back to trawling through the shit before HBO nets even that up...

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

we can clearly see who the haters are :D

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Yup. :) Im done here Pare.

Watching it for the first time I had a draw or a close win for either guy. I thought Bradley showed grit, and tuffness but I never really thought "he beat" or took the title away from the champ hence the closeness. I also blame Pacquiao for the decision. I thought there were several opportunities Pacquiao had to take Bradley out but to Bradley's credit his upper body and head movement kept him in the fight. In this instance Pac just wasn't busy enuff and even gave away a potentially pivitol 12th round. I do think Bradley's hand speed and footwork especially is ridiculously overated.

Just watched it again on mute and this time the result was different. I had Pacquiao winning by a wide margin due to more accurate punching but also power punches. I do give credit to Bradley's body shots but they were far and in between in my opnion and I thought Manny landed his own which were harder. I don't give any credit to Bradley's jabs or combinations to the bpdy or head as I saw Pac block most of these.

I had Bradley winning round 1 (which was close). I had Pac rounds 2-9. Bradley round 10, Pac round 11, Bradley round 12. Pacquiao 9rounds-Bradley's 3. Pacquiao 117-Bradley 111

^Agree with you alot of the blame can be put on Pacquiao. I don't why he didn't even try to walk Bradley to a corner when they clinched and when broken by the ref he'd just let Bradley slip out of range again :-\

I had Pacquiao winning 9-3. Even before the decision was handed out, I knew that it's time for Manny to hang up the gloves. He isn't as dominating as he was before. A younger Manny would have gone for the kill. He doesn't have the intensity, the hunger and, it appears, also the stamina to be active every second of the fight. But still, Bradley in no way won that fight.

This statement by Pacquiao shows the kind of person he is. "I did my best. I guess my best wasn't good enough." He may have been screwed but he is magnanimous in defeat.

Yeah Both Manny and Floyd have lost their legs.

I had it 115-114 Bradley.

1st Even
2-6 Pac
7-12 Bradley

I remember 7,8,9 being pretty close rounds, so I can definitely see how people had Pac winning though. Plus with that 1st round being even im guessing a lot of people gave Pac that one too which is fine.

IMO generally people are getting bias scores due to the commentary, I hear HBO had it 11-1? Also I believe people are getting too caught up in what happens in the last portions of rounds. Pac in most rounds was doing his work late in rounds but its a 3 minute round.

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Originally Posted by J_C

I had it 115-114 Bradley.

1st Even
2-6 Pac
7-12 Bradley

I remember 7,8,9 being pretty close rounds, so I can definitely see how people had Pac winning though. Plus with that 1st round being even im guessing a lot of people gave Pac that one too which is fine.

IMO generally people are getting bias scores due to the commentary, I hear HBO had it 11-1? Also I believe people are getting too caught up in what happens in the last portions of rounds. Pac in most rounds was doing his work late in rounds but its a 3 minute round.

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Bradley's manager, Cameron Duncan, scored it 8-4 for Pac. When is the last time you heard of a fighter's manager admitting he had him losing a fight by 4 pts?

At first I thought it was a robbery but after watching it on mute it's a lot closer than I first thought but I still had Manny winning 7-5. It was not a clear win for either one, Pac took off the first 2 minutes of too many rounds.

Watching the fight last night i had Pacquiao winning 8-4.

I will have to give it a re watch though as i was very tired and combine that with the biased HBO commentary and the crowd cheering every time Pacquaio threw and it may of affected my scoring.

I was very disappointed with Pacquiao's effort. He went through the fight just going through the motions instead of taking the fight to Bradley. Every round he was taking the first two minutes off and then rallying the last minute. It's not an effective way of winning rounds that's for sure. He literally gave Bradley the last few rounds as well.

I'm not saying he deserved to lose because of that but he didn't put himself in the best position to dominate the fight, he settled and it ended up costing him.

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Originally Posted by J_C

I had it 115-114 Bradley.

1st Even
2-6 Pac
7-12 Bradley

I remember 7,8,9 being pretty close rounds, so I can definitely see how people had Pac winning though. Plus with that 1st round being even im guessing a lot of people gave Pac that one too which is fine.

IMO generally people are getting bias scores due to the commentary, I hear HBO had it 11-1? Also I believe people are getting too caught up in what happens in the last portions of rounds. Pac in most rounds was doing his work late in rounds but its a 3 minute round.

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Bradley never dominated any period where Pac wasn't doing much. The "close" rounds were basically tit-for-tat until Pac went through the gears and showed he's a different class.

I think the minority that scored it for Bradley (who are genuine fans not pathetic Pac haters) have done so through the sympathy vote (Pac didn't slaughter him in that round so Bradley must have won it?)

to be honest there were many rounds which were close...and commentary on the fight was utterly over biased for Manny....Khan whatever the true result gave it to Manny cause hes is gym boyfriend.....it was ridiculas....Manny coasted and should of kept pressing....Bradley sucked it up and made the fight tighter than what it should have been.


Job Biscuit (Not ben a sleep since Friday night)!!!!


eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok, let's get this down in black and white. I'm seeing widely different opinions from people who watched the fight. So let's poll it. Who did you see winning the fight, and by what margin? Feel free to vote and to explain.

Thanks.

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Pacquiao didn't "lose" a round until late in the fight, I had him winning at least 10 rounds and Bradley winning 2, which really weren't all that decisive.

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

I wasn't keeping a direct scorecard cos I was drinking, but I didn't really think Bradley was in it at all. Manny could have had him out of there in the 4th, why he took his foot off the pedal is beyond me? Bradley couldn't take the speed, and I thought it was going to be an early night, but he just let Bradley back into the fight. Fucking pathetic and that decision was a disgrace to the sport.

I spent £15 for that fight and watched it with all of my mates who aren't propa boxing fans and they were so
Shocked with such a bullshit decision. How anybody could have Bradley winning the fight is beyond me. The only reason you could have given Bradley rounds is because Manny was coasting and letting him
Into the fight, it was horrible to see.


It kinda makes me not support a rematch, why should I pay money to support bullshit things that occur? It's horrible, it's left a really bitter taste on my mouth this morning. If the rematch does happen and Pacquiao doesn't stop Bradley within 5 rounds, I would think there was something bad again happening.

That fight was so bad for the sport of boxing, really feel let down. Hope something happens about this cos
That wasn't right, the way they made you await so long for the fight was too painful, ricky Hatton and buncey were chatting on for so long it was
Painful at times. All around horrible not of boxing, i feel gutted. You had to feel sorry for Jorge Arce too, wtf was that about really?

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Maybe drinking a little to much? Bradley won against an old Manny who has definitely lost his aura of invincibility that began with Marquez 3 and continued against Bradley. I had no problem with 115-113 Bradley.

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I need to watch it again no doubt,
But how manny didn't knock him out was beyond me. Pacquiao let him into the fight it was bullshit, no doubt the fight was fixed.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

By the way..... where the hell is fightscorecollector?? I'd be super-interested in the scores he gathers for this fight.

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still collecting scores ..will have largest amount of scores ever collected...blog will be up for 8-9pm

i had it 116-112 pac

By way of anecdote, last night I was at a bar watching the fight in the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States. The crowd of approximately 75 people was predominantly African American, which as you may imagine, supported Tim Bradley. Pacquiao was booed during his entrance walk. At the end of the twelfth round, most people, including my party, began leaving the bar (some people even left before the end of the round). We didn't see any reason to stay because it appeared that a victory by Pacquiao was a foregone conclusion and we wanted to get an early start on the drive home. I was in the process of getting into my car in front of the bar and I could make out an audible gasp of disbelief work its way like a wave from inside the bar to the outside, and spilling out with the departing fight fans. People were visibly dismayed at the result--some people complaining loudly about the ineptitude of the judges and Bob Arum's corruptness, other people predicting the death of boxing. Coming from so many Bradley fans, it was a bit shocking.

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Originally Posted by Otley

to be honest there were many rounds which were close...and commentary on the fight was utterly over biased for Manny....Khan whatever the true result gave it to Manny cause hes is gym boyfriend.....it was ridiculas....Manny coasted and should of kept pressing....Bradley sucked it up and made the fight tighter than what it should have been.

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[Khan gave the most recent JMM vs. PAC fight to JMM]

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Originally Posted by fightscorecollector

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

By the way..... where the hell is fightscorecollector?? I'd be super-interested in the scores he gathers for this fight.

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still collecting scores ..will have largest amount of scores ever collected...blog will be up for 8-9pm

i had it 116-112 pac

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This poll's pretty telling right now.

119-109 pac. Not even close. Judges were useless.

117-111 Pacquiao.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

I am appalled to see so many voting Pac by wide margin. Have a close fight in his favour sure, but a wide margin? Nonsense.

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This is nothing new Miles. Don't you see a pattern?

When someone's opinion differs from yours, particularly when confirmed by a pole of Public opinion, you get appalled and throw your toys out of the pram.

Lmao at Pacquiao fans not even discussing the fight.
Let the boxing fans stay on this site please.

Never thought thought this day would happen until Manny fought Floyd.

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Originally Posted by captainanddew

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Originally Posted by J_C

I had it 115-114 Bradley.

1st Even
2-6 Pac
7-12 Bradley

I remember 7,8,9 being pretty close rounds, so I can definitely see how people had Pac winning though. Plus with that 1st round being even im guessing a lot of people gave Pac that one too which is fine.

IMO generally people are getting bias scores due to the commentary, I hear HBO had it 11-1? Also I believe people are getting too caught up in what happens in the last portions of rounds. Pac in most rounds was doing his work late in rounds but its a 3 minute round.

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Bradley's manager, Cameron Duncan, scored it 8-4 for Pac. When is the last time you heard of a fighter's manager admitting he had him losing a fight by 4 pts?

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I wish Manny's manager, promoter, team, and himself would admit it the same way specially after his last fight vs JMM. "Oh, we won that fight clearly" oh ok.

I had Pac winning by one round.

It was pretty close when I watched it a second time.

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Originally Posted by captainanddew

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Originally Posted by J_C

I had it 115-114 Bradley.

1st Even
2-6 Pac
7-12 Bradley

I remember 7,8,9 being pretty close rounds, so I can definitely see how people had Pac winning though. Plus with that 1st round being even im guessing a lot of people gave Pac that one too which is fine.

IMO generally people are getting bias scores due to the commentary, I hear HBO had it 11-1? Also I believe people are getting too caught up in what happens in the last portions of rounds. Pac in most rounds was doing his work late in rounds but its a 3 minute round.

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Bradley's manager, Cameron Duncan, scored it 8-4 for Pac. When is the last time you heard of a fighter's manager admitting he had him losing a fight by 4 pts?

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Bradley himSELF said he would have to look at the tape to be sure. When was the last time anybody heard THAT?

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by hardcore_crash

I can't believe people have mentioned anything about Bradley's constant clinching.
I saw him running without doing much but spoiling the fight.
The way I saw it is Bradley stepping his foot of the gas, and Manny not being able to find any openings (Mosley, Marquez).

Whenever Bradley decided to open up Manny quickly got the upper-hand.

As soon as Bradley started feeling Manny's shot around the middle of the fight he began clinching and backpeddling, including circling around Manny.

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how fucking dare he!!

clean punching, effective aggressiveness, ring generalship, and defense. ;)

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Lol, I know effective aggessiveness, clean punching, ring generalship, and defense when I see it.
And I can't use those words to describe Bradley last night, I think those a perfect words for what JMM did on Nov.

I don't believe Tim's aggressiveness was too effective, with Manny getting the better of the exchanges-including the more effective strikes.

Bradley used a nice strategy of throwing multiple punches( soft) with the occasional hard shot in between.

The kind of circling he started doing I wouldn't count as ring generalship any more than Cotto and Mosley's. The only difference Tim knew to throw punches , even though I didn't see much land cleanly. (Without the skipping ;))

He's defense was good, but I felt Manny's was better. (Surprisingly)
When Bradley would exchange, he got caught much more cleanly and more effectively than Pacquaio. He lowered his hands much more than Manny as well.
Bradley left wide oppenings where Pacquiao's left hand crept right in.

If he could sign on, Bradley himself would vote "Pac by narrow margin."

the 2 judges that scored the fight for bradley each scored the 5th round in his favour...

how is that possible? bradley landed 4 light (malignaggi-like) jabs, a body shot and one power connect to the head. everything else was on pac's gloves.

pac had him reeling for 20 seconds and made 15 solid head shots.

you can't possibly score that for bradley!!!

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Originally Posted by CFH

117-111 Pacquiao.

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I'll go along with this or 116/112. No way did Bradley win.

all three judges scored the seventh round for bradley. it was a close round but pac connected with harder cleaner punches, while bradley jabbed pac's arms for 2 minutes then arm punched a few "power" punches.

pac was more effective and hit harder. can't give bradley the round even tho it was closer than the others.

Ignoring my own selfish view - it's biased anyway, right? - hardly anyone convinced me except when I read this (below), this is the strangest thang I've seen in boxing...

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by captainanddew

Bradley's manager, Cameron Duncan, scored it 8-4 for Pac. When is the last time you heard of a fighter's manager admitting he had him losing a fight by 4 pts?

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Bradley himSELF said he would have to look at the tape to be sure. When was the last time anybody heard THAT?

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Regardless of all the arguments, if you really want to know the real score - and I mean if you really want to - of any boxing match, just watch the fight (any fight for that matter) in slow-mo and count the punches yourself. You can't go wrong as long as you take off your shades and know how to count...

the eighth round was scored for bradley by the two judges that gave him the win...

i see some aggression from bradley, with a few body connects and a couple shots to manny's gloves/arms.

i see pac landing 7 solid connects to bradley's head.

i don't score punches blocked by gloves and arms so, again, not enough to give bradley the round.

8 - 4 Pac

As if it matters anyway ;D

You know, I just watched this and was expecting to see a decimation..I actually saw a lot of close rounds. I didn't score it..just wanted to watch the fight first time round. I didn't let the pro pacquiao crowd sway me. The exchanges were fairly even.

Pacquiao is clearly the classier fighter but I felt he made it harder on himself by being quite lazy in this fight.

Not saying he lost - I'll go back and score it another time but what I did see were quite a few difficult to score rounds. I still think Arum had a hand in the result to extend his bottom line and his agenda.

In the rematch, if Pac puts his foot on the gas he'll have a much easier time and maybe get Tim out of there. Also, when are fighters going to learn NEVER coast those final championship rounds!!

I'm not sure if Pac can keep his foot on the gas anymore. He was only really doing 60 seconds a round against Bradley.

I had it 9-3 in favour of PAC

I just re watched it and i had it slightly closer than i did on the first watch.

Watching it without the biased HBO commentary makes a difference and Bradley was pretty competitive in all the rounds.

I still think Pac won though.

I thought people having Bradley winning must of been out of their minds but after this watch, i could see a slight case for Bradley stealing it. Pacquiao only fighting for 1 minute of every round didn't help his case and literally stopped fighting the last few rounds.

I do think his cleaner harder shots pulled him through in most rounds but i don't think it was an effective way of winning rounds.

As the day has worn on, it seems that some fans are agreeing it was perhaps closer than they initially thought. Difficult to see everyone's cards here, over many pages. Those of you (who are interested) should register at EyeOnTheRing.com - they collect fan cards. The site just launched, they hope to grow into an online place for fans to collectively have a voice.

http://eyeonthering.com/boxing/manny...imothy-bradley

So far as of this post only 3 fan cards entered! Also the cards entered are way close (two draws...?!?)