Re: The WBO review cards by 5 Int judges are in.
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J_C
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shza
Very interesting to see the round-by-round.
Round 5 is the only round that the official judges gave to Bradley that none of the WBO scores gave to him. Not sure this really validates Pacquiao. I thought Pacquiao won 8-4, but the fact that you can piece together a 7-5 Bradley scorecard from among the WBO reviewers seems to weigh against the robbery/corruption claim quite a bit.
I agree with this.
Although it shows Pac was certainly unlucky not to get the nod, it doesnt show that Pac won wide and shit like a lot say. 5 pro judges managed to score 7 seperate rounds for Bradley. Therefore, not a robbery.
This is the same argument presented by miron_lang with regards to the Pacquiao-Marquez III fight. But instead of the 5 international judges, he used the round by round scoring of a number of Pachaters who insisted that the fight is a robbery.
Just out of curiosity, what is the take of the you two with regards to that Pacquiao-Marquez III fight?
I scored Pac-Marquez III 115-113 for Pac. I posted my RBR at the time, noting rounds that I could see going either way. i said at the time that you could legitimately score that fight as wide as 116-112 either way -- therefore not a robbery. Even less so than this one.
So I am being consistent here.
Re: The WBO review cards by 5 Int judges are in.
7-5? I thought it's Pacquiao winning 9 rounds in the WBO review?
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shza
Very interesting to see the round-by-round.
Round 5 is the only round that the official judges gave to Bradley that none of the WBO scores gave to him. Not sure this really validates Pacquiao. I thought Pacquiao won 8-4, but the fact that you can piece together a 7-5 Bradley scorecard from among the WBO reviewers seems to weigh against the robbery/corruption claim quite a bit.
Re: The WBO review cards by 5 Int judges are in.
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Enthusiast
7-5? I thought it's Pacquiao winning 9 rounds in the WBO review?
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shza
Very interesting to see the round-by-round.
Round 5 is the only round that the official judges gave to Bradley that none of the WBO scores gave to him. Not sure this really validates Pacquiao. I thought Pacquiao won 8-4, but the fact that you can piece together a 7-5 Bradley scorecard from among the WBO reviewers seems to weigh against the robbery/corruption claim quite a bit.
re-read my post
Re: The WBO review cards by 5 Int judges are in.
43 rds to 18 on 5 judges score cards.
That’s pretty much a shit kicking.
Any questions?
Re: The WBO review cards by 5 Int judges are in.
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Master
I think the volume was turned off and this is a complete waste of time. The decision cannot be over turned now, all it does is embarrass the judges even further and just serves no interest. There have been worse decisions and no where near the same fuss is made as they have for this fight.
Don't think it's a complete waste of time if the unintended side effect would be to humiliate the judges whose incompetence leads to outright robberies. Hey, who knows, maybe it'll lead to these 80 yr olds retiring and passing the torch to more capable judges. I know, embarrassing them is wrong if the only reason for their error in judgement (according to the majority of those who watched the bout) is ineptness but enough is enough. Shame them if need be, it's not like they didn't deserve it. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but how can Ford even think Tim was "schooling" Pac in that fight, it beggars belief.
Re: The WBO review cards by 5 Int judges are in.
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Master
I think the volume was turned off and this is a complete waste of time. The decision cannot be over turned now, all it does is embarrass the judges even further and just serves no interest. There have been worse decisions and no where near the same fuss is made as they have for this fight.
Don't think it's a complete waste of time if the unintended side effect would be to humiliate the judges whose incompetence leads to outright robberies. Hey, who knows, maybe it'll lead to these 80 yr olds retiring and passing the torch to more capable judges. I know, embarrassing them is wrong if the only reason for their error in judgement (according to the majority of those who watched the bout) is ineptness but enough is enough. Shame them if need be, it's not like they didn't deserve it. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but how can Ford even think Tim was "schooling" Pac in that fight, it beggars belief.
... So what are your thoughts in the video that Violent Demise put up?
MY thoughts?
I thought it was a very well edited video which accomplished its purpose, demonstrating that Jim Lampley and Harold Letterman are indeed extremely lousy at calling fights, hardly news to longtime boxing fans. Although cleverly put together, it is still just a video, showing selected portions of the fight, with the goal of driving home a point. Does it prove Bradley won the fight? No.
Re: The WBO review cards by 5 Int judges are in.
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Jimanuel Boogustus
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arcanum26
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Master
I think the volume was turned off and this is a complete waste of time. The decision cannot be over turned now, all it does is embarrass the judges even further and just serves no interest. There have been worse decisions and no where near the same fuss is made as they have for this fight.
Don't think it's a complete waste of time if the unintended side effect would be to humiliate the judges whose incompetence leads to outright robberies. Hey, who knows, maybe it'll lead to these 80 yr olds retiring and passing the torch to more capable judges. I know, embarrassing them is wrong if the only reason for their error in judgement (according to the majority of those who watched the bout) is ineptness but enough is enough. Shame them if need be, it's not like they didn't deserve it. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but how can Ford even think Tim was "schooling" Pac in that fight, it beggars belief.
... So what are your thoughts in the video that Violent Demise put up?
It appears that Pacquiao indeed could not have won 10 rounds.
He could just have won 8. ;D
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This may not amount to much, as the writer says. But if it weren't for the controversy stirred up by the Pac-Bradley decision, would this even be occurring and in the news? I don't think anyone can argue that doing nothing is preferable to doing something, even if it doesn't have the intended effect in the end.
Re: The WBO review cards by 5 Int judges are in.
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Jimanuel Boogustus
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arcanum26
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Originally Posted by
Master
I think the volume was turned off and this is a complete waste of time. The decision cannot be over turned now, all it does is embarrass the judges even further and just serves no interest. There have been worse decisions and no where near the same fuss is made as they have for this fight.
Don't think it's a complete waste of time if the unintended side effect would be to humiliate the judges whose incompetence leads to outright robberies. Hey, who knows, maybe it'll lead to these 80 yr olds retiring and passing the torch to more capable judges. I know, embarrassing them is wrong if the only reason for their error in judgement (according to the majority of those who watched the bout) is ineptness but enough is enough. Shame them if need be, it's not like they didn't deserve it. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but how can Ford even think Tim was "schooling" Pac in that fight, it beggars belief.
... So what are your thoughts in the video that Violent Demise put up?
Showed us something we knew all along. Lampley is biased in favor of the house fighter specially Pacquiao. Nothing new to that. Also, it showed us how Tim's face is not as susceptible to getting cuts/bruises compared to JMM and Mosley. The fight I saw had Brian Kenny and Mario Lopez as the broadcast team. And I still had Pac winning rounds 1 to 9, with 1 and 11 as swing rounds. Overall, nicely edited and informative video, showing us some of the 498 missed shots by Pac.
