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Agreed about the boxing and it works 2 ways as people judge him negatively for his political activism. The point being that was Fraizier at his best 1971 and his left hooks landed flush on Ali’s jaw and he still got up. Boxing wise the man’s record is the greatest and no heavyweight can compare and I love Joe Louis but you have to credit Muhammad Ali. We lost some prime years from the man.
My own entire posts in this thread deal purely on Ali inside d ring and have nothing 2 do with politics .
Now i m accused of taking a political stance 4 posting a purely boxaic material .
How cum no1 called me a racist yet ?
I never accused you of taking a political stance. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenfrank
we didnt credit you with the intellect to know what the word ment.:fyou:Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenfrank
The absurdity of the thread is almost beyond belief, 'Frankenfurter' talks of Ali as if he just suddenly appeared in 1964 out of the blue and nobody knew who he was, he probably did talk himself into a match with Liston, but he was an Olympic champion and that's significant enough to remind people that the next two Olympic champions also went on to win the World Heavyweight title. Ali was unbeaten at the time and Liston was like Godzilla in the ring, the fact that he won and then became the most famous sports personality in the world appears to be the source of much consternation. It's easy to be critical of Ali the boxer and Ali the man, he came along during the golden age of television where every statement he made, every opinion he had, every move he made was scrutinised and by many condemend. This did not faze him.
Ali the boxer was stripped of his title and had his livelyhood taken away from him at the peak of his career, tell me truthfully could Joe Frazier have beaten Ali in in 1967 or 1968? They most certainly would've have met in that time had Ali continued to fight. Ali returned and he fought Frazier in 1971 almost 4 years after being stripped of his title, he lost a decision, but was not disgraced, (have a close look at Joe Frazier's face after this fight) Joe Frazier was no mug. Ali was not the same fighter as he was in 1966, he then beat George Foreman in 1974 and Frazier in 1975. Ali fought the best out there at the time and he used different tactics to do it, he was a brilliant ring tactician. Where is this criticisim coming from? My only criticism of Ali is he should've retired after the Thriller In Manila.
Frankenfurter... you have no idea!
This dude would probably give royal a run for his money...but then again royal's posts made me laugh
IDK whether he used Roids or just testosterone injections which is what i typed , and he probably wasn't d only 1 . I read that steroids were available as PEDs in sports since d 1940s or 1950s .Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878
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Yes testosterone injected into the body is classified as a steroid. Yes they were available since the 40s. Hitler used them on his perfect race. Athletes used it like a supplement.
There is an old adage I have heard all my life and it's that everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to express it but you don't yell fire in a theater or bomb on a plane. When Ali fought Jimmy Young, Jimmy was ready but the judges were pissed because the referee had to pull Jimmy's head out from between the ropes often. You cannot knock out a fighter if he is not in the ring technically. Joe Frazier was a boxing miracvle with a dangerous style because he had one eye. Joe Frazier was blood and guts with enough skill to protect his good eye and he proved he belonged. George Foreman was big and strong when he fought Ali but he had zero discipline and relied on power. Ken Norton got knocked out by steam roller George and was scared of him and I have stood next to Foreman in a crowd in New York on his second go round and he looked menacing. Ali depended on guts and was relegated to depending on his chin being strong the second time around. Sure he lost to Norton the second time around. Maybe t6he tear on his glove saved him from Henry way back when but Dundee's job like all trainers is to protect his fighter. Sure, maybe you didn't like the idea his fists hit Archie at forty six and maybe Liston was forty but he knocked out Patterson in back to back fights in the first round. Big Deal! I thought we were supposed to be fans. I am not a boxing commissioner. I am a guy that tried boxing and it wasn't for me but that doesn't mean that between matches I have to fgindf something wrong because anyone that steps into a ring is courageous and deserves our attention because they have to pass a tough test, pleasing fans and not teach classes on etiquette. Every fighter unless he fights someone made to order each time out has put his health on the line for purses and criticism. There is also the fact that rules and requirements have been at the forefront because evolution and revolution means that everything changes with time and we see the errors of our ways and this fighter has been emulated with technique and skills of a biog mouth that brings us to the point I want to make. Without contrversy there is no improvement and the fact that Ali may have juiced up is irrelevant because what was acceptable then is not acceptable now. The sport of boxing is over 2000 years old. Just ask the Greeks and Romans can you imagine the kicking biting and gouging back then?
Frankenfrank is Bilbo taking the piss out of us.
My take on Ali, great champion, and a great but flawed human being.
Saying someone is a flawed human being, its kinda redundant don't ya think?:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Perhaps, it's just how I think about a lot people who for better or worse made a big impact on the world. Everyone has flaws, even great people, if you didn't make many mistakes in your life, it likely means you didn't do much with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Saying someone is a flawed human being, its kinda redundant don't ya think?:p
I have already called shenanigans on whoever this imposter is. Why do you think it is Kev/Gollum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
frankenfrank = moron, with residual levels of critical reasoning skills.