Re: Vitali's 1st career: KICKboxing!!??
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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I understand now why you got confused, you posted that the KO was just a leg kick too, but this is old news to me. We've been talking about this subject for years on this site. And Lyle was adamant it was a leg kick.
Why am i confused? My post stated 'I don't know wether it happened for sure or not and it could have happened' (paraphrasing) did it not? I posted what VK remembered of the incident not what i saw! Vitali being a proud man probably did not want to admit to it.....
I'm not confused mate it was never a subject anyone really dwelled upon i just gave my thoughts and the thoughts of others. Certainly not suprising by any means. Kickboxing is a different animal together. Reid was pretty shit though TBH. Fenster it's irrelevant what happened to a 20 year old VK in a semi contact match really isn't it!
U seem to have a problem with me for some reason LOL. Each to there own. As for your tag team comment! Laughable! Out of the 100 or so opponent's they have fought they have about 5 common opponents between them! LOL. By your logic Holmes and Cooney were a tag team too then right?
5 LOL That flies in the face of the idea that there has been no compeition available for them too... 2 dominant champs and only 5 common opponents!
VK and TYSON have the same amount of common opponents as K2 do! Are they a tag team too Fenster?? LOL.
This era is unique in that the top 2 will not fight each other, but then again the top 2 of any other era have not been brothers have they! Get over it....
@THE PHILOSOPHER - Whoa.. you need to slow down a minute, you've got the wrong end of the stick. I meant you was confused by my comment aimed specifically at Lyle. I didn't even know you posted about the "leg kick" until I looked back at the thread. I don't have a problem with you.
As for the tag team stuff - You can't have TWO "world" champions, a chimpanzee can grasp why that logic is utterly ludicrous, you're either the best in the world or you're not. It's the very fact they haven't competed against common opposition is what makes their position so weak.
For 5 years the top two heavyweights have been unable to meet and have fought one common opponent between them. That quite simply means it's IMPOSSIBLE to establish who the true "world" champ is. TWO champions just means there are more shitty challengers that would have never got a shot with one TRUE established champ.
You can't credit Vitali's wins to Wlad. You can't credit Wlad's wins to Vitali. They are individuals. Fact. It's unfortunate they harmed each others place in the history of boxing but also something that can't just be ignored.
Holmes and Tyson were both lineal champions. They were men that beat the man. There was never any doubt they were WORLD champ.
Re: Vitali's 1st career: KICKboxing!!??
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Fenster
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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I understand now why you got confused, you posted that the KO was just a leg kick too, but this is old news to me. We've been talking about this subject for years on this site. And Lyle was adamant it was a leg kick.
Why am i confused? My post stated 'I don't know wether it happened for sure or not and it could have happened' (paraphrasing) did it not? I posted what VK remembered of the incident not what i saw! Vitali being a proud man probably did not want to admit to it.....
I'm not confused mate it was never a subject anyone really dwelled upon i just gave my thoughts and the thoughts of others. Certainly not suprising by any means. Kickboxing is a different animal together. Reid was pretty shit though TBH. Fenster it's irrelevant what happened to a 20 year old VK in a semi contact match really isn't it!
U seem to have a problem with me for some reason LOL. Each to there own. As for your tag team comment! Laughable! Out of the 100 or so opponent's they have fought they have about 5 common opponents between them! LOL. By your logic Holmes and Cooney were a tag team too then right?
5 LOL That flies in the face of the idea that there has been no compeition available for them too... 2 dominant champs and only 5 common opponents!
VK and TYSON have the same amount of common opponents as K2 do! Are they a tag team too Fenster?? LOL.
This era is unique in that the top 2 will not fight each other, but then again the top 2 of any other era have not been brothers have they! Get over it....
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THE PHILOSOPHER - Whoa.. you need to slow down a minute, you've got the wrong end of the stick. I meant you was confused by my comment aimed specifically at Lyle. I didn't even know you posted about the "leg kick" until I looked back at the thread. I don't have a problem with you.
As for the tag team stuff - You can't have TWO "world" champions, a chimpanzee can grasp why that logic is utterly ludicrous, you're either the best in the world or you're not. It's the very fact they haven't competed against common opposition is what makes their position so weak.
For 5 years the top two heavyweights have been unable to meet and have fought one common opponent between them. That quite simply means it's IMPOSSIBLE to establish who the true "world" champ is. TWO champions just means there are more shitty challengers that would have never got a shot with one TRUE established champ.
You can't credit Vitali's wins to Wlad. You can't credit Wlad's wins to Vitali. They are individuals. Fact. It's unfortunate they harmed each others place in the history of boxing but also something that can't just be ignored.
Holmes and Tyson were both lineal champions. They were men that beat the man. There was never any doubt they were WORLD champ.
Was Spinks the "champ" when he stripped of the IBF title for ducking Tony Tucker and was fighting washed up Gerry Cooney or was it Tyson who won a clear deciison over Tucker and was ravaging his way through the division and completely destroying one champion after another.
Was Tyson the champion when he acquired every major belt annihilating anyone that stood in his path or was it Spinks sitting at home shiting himself with his "lineal title"?
I do agree with everything else you've posted ... Klitschko fans believe that Vitali and Wlad share wins amongst each other ... for example, Vitali lost to Chris Byrd and ducked him for the remainder of his career but since Wlad beat him it some how makes up for that and it means that Vitali would beat him.
NO that isn't how it works. They are two DIFFERENT people and two completely different fighters. Wlad has shit and menstrual fluid stained tissue paper chin and fights like a stiff robotic b*tch while Vitali has a very good chin and has an awkward, fluid, flamboyant homo type style. Tyson would rape both of them and crush their souls and Holmes would out box both as well.
Re: Vitali's 1st career: KICKboxing!!??
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Wlad has shit and menstrual fluid stained tissue paper chin and fights like a stiff robotic b*tch while Vitali has a very good chin and has an awkward, fluid, flamboyant homo type style. Tyson would rape both of them and crush their souls and Holmes would out box both as well.
Wouldn't a simple good-bye have sufficed? ;D
Key word here is highlighted. I don't doubt your assertion that he would try to force himself on them in the slightest. Less of the aggressive language please. Mods r u asleep at the wheel here guys i see very little curtailing!
Re: Vitali's 1st career: KICKboxing!!??
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Fenster
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Holmes and Tyson were both lineal champions. They were men that beat the man. There was never any doubt they were WORLD champ
I have no doubt VK & WK are world champions too. Bit like Jones & DM. There not gunna fight so just get over it...
P.s Apologies for the mix up though.
Re: Vitali's 1st career: KICKboxing!!??
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THE PHILOSOPHER
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Wlad has shit and menstrual fluid stained tissue paper chin and fights like a stiff robotic b*tch while Vitali has a very good chin and has an awkward, fluid, flamboyant homo type style. Tyson would rape both of them and crush their souls and Holmes would out box both as well.
Wouldn't a simple good-bye have sufficed? ;D
Key word here is highlighted. I don't doubt your assertion that he would try to force himself on them in the slightest. Less of the aggressive language please. Mods r u asleep at the wheel here guys i see very little curtailing!
:rolleyes:
Re: Vitali's 1st career: KICKboxing!!??
well. I wanna see badr hari boxing
Re: Vitali's 1st career: KICKboxing!!??
Came across this video of Alexander Povetkin kickboxing. He's in the Blue. You can tell he's a natural boxer...he hardly threw any kicks :D
Brutal finishing combo at 5:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE1YOUHvMgU
