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Re: The Republican National Convention (RNC)
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Mars_ax
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VictorCharlie
Personal accountability is lost characteristic these days. What I love about this election is Obama isn't running on his record or what he is going to do in a second term but rather scare tactics about a return to Bush policies (as if we ever left them) and Romney isn't running on his record or what he would do in specifics but rather scare tactics about Obama policies.
Yeah but unlike Obama, Romney/Ryan have however outlined a pretty good plan to create jobs and jumpstart the economy. Obama seems to be saying that his plan is just more of the same shit that's already failed.
I think it is fair to say Ryan has a plan but Romney has yet to say he fully endorses it and still speaks in generalities. I'm not really interested in what Gilligan thinks. What is the Captain going to do (specifically)? The ACA is a great example. Ok, I get it, you want to repeal it. Then what?
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Sad days when elections become NOT who you want to win..... but rather who you want to lose.
Big difference.
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....anyone else find it the slightest bit odd that the Democrats have chosen NOW to tell people about Barry's life? I mean where the fuck was this 4 years ago? When Clinton was President old girlfriends (or mistresses showed up in bunches), his wife's legal career was questioned, friends were questioned, shady deals were brought into the light. When W was in office the media dug deep into W's past asking questions about his service in the National Guard, his involvement in Skull & Bones, his grades at Yale, his DWI. With Obama we get Rev. Wright "Don't ask about that", Bill Ayers "He's just a neighbor-like acquaintence", no grades, no students from the classes he taught, no exgirlfriends, no former professors, no nothing......which tells me either Barry has something to hide or the dude is a total dick and no one likes him.
Everything about Obama's past is strange, ever notice how they keep info about his white mother rather secretive, she's rarely mentioned.
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If Obama wins - In 2016 things will be the same with the same complaints from the same people.
If Romney wins - In 2016 things will be the same, but the complaints will be coming from the other half.
sooo.... I'll see you guys back here in four years with everything exactly the same....
Should be fun!
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Re: The Republican National Convention (RNC)
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El Kabong
Surprise surprise, KirklandLaing disagrees with Republicans, well I for one am fucking shocked about that :rolleyes: .
The people throwing peanuts were correctly thrown out of the event. Lindsay Graham is a weenie and is lucky he is still in office. What political stance can the Republicans take that would land them more minorities? If Herman Cain ran would he get more support from the African-American Community? NO, because the African-American community is tied to the Democrats irrationally so. People often wonder "Well why do the poor white people vote for the Republicans who cut taxes for the wealthy bosses that laid those people off?" and I wonder "Why do blacks vote for Democrats that continually uses them as pawns, keeps them poor, and dependent on the government?"....also I'm noticing you left out how Mia Love's wikipedia page was hacked and she was called a "House Nigger" amongst other very hurtful, hateful things....is that a Republican calling her that or more likely a Democrat Kirkland? What of former Democrat Senator Robert Byrd? It was highly unlikely he was a racist right? He was just in the KKK due to polictics, that's what President Bill Clinton said, but then again DEMOCRAT Bill Clinton also raped a black woman, and he also said "A few years ago this guy (Barack Obama) would be getting us (Clinton and Ted Kennedy) coffee" but the media doesn't much care for that story do they Kirkland???
Also the FIRST Female Latina Governor in United States history (Republican) talks and what is shown on ABC??? A dickweed Pro-ILLEGAL Immigration anchor from Univision talking about how Republicans should accept the DREAM Act and how they need 33% of the Latino vote and not the 31% John McCain got. Marco Rubio will speak tonight, and I'm certain he'll get no credit for being Cubano just as Governor Nikki Haley got 0 credit for being Native American......oh but Elizabeth Warren is Native American, you know, high cheekbones and all :vd:
I do love how easily the word "racist" is bandied about by these self important water carriers for Obama
Chris Matthews and MSNBC Now Claim the Word 'Chicago' Is Racist | NewsBusters.org
So I would suggest you take your accusations of racism by the Republican Party and fuck right off with them because the Democrats are up to their necks in a history of evil racist deeds
Lindsay Graham is a GOP Senator of long standing in your neighbouring state. He knows what he's talking about, there just aren't enough angry white guys out there for the GOP to remain competitive in the long term.
Bill Clinton raped a black woman?
I won't bother asking you about the policy stuff because you don't know anything about it.
And as far as racism goes, the GOP's electoral strategy since the 1950s has been appealing to racists. Here's Lee Atwater, the Karl Rove of the 50s and 60s admitting this :
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "
Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like
forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
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Re: The Republican National Convention (RNC)
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Mars_ax
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VictorCharlie
I only listened to Rand Paul. I thought it was an average speech. I may go find Christie's speech later. I think both of the main party candidate are ultimately the same and ruinous for us. Maybe Romney would get to pick a good Supreme Court nominee but that is about all I'd hold my breath for if he wins.
I disagree, my main concern is getting the economy back up and running, job creation and working down the national debt. Obama had a chance do try and do this the past four years, and hasn't done shit, why should we believe he will in another 4 years. For me the choice is easy, with Romney and Ryan there's leadership and hope, with Obama we're headed for a huge economic disaster/recession, and a welfare state.
Everyone i'm talking to here in Texas wants Obama out, I think he'll be a 1 term president.
Romney is basically going to repeat the policies that led to the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
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Mars_ax
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Master
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Mars_ax
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Master
Did not realise Clint Eastwood was a republican.
Yup, Eastwood is a conservative, always has been. Other actors like Robert De Niro, and George Clooney are, Dems/liberals and Obama supporters. I'm pretty sure Clooney is a fag.
You do not have to be a fag to support Obama. Heston was a republican.
True, but fags/lesbos-feminists are where a big block of Obama's supporters come from, just saying Clooney acts like a fag, and i'm pretty sure he is one. In re: Heston, he was not only a republican but president or spokesman for the NRA (National rifle association) for quite a while.
Yeah, that George Clooney, always got a different stunning woman on his arm every few months, definite gay boy.
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Kirkland Laing
Romney is basically going to CONTINUE the policies that led to the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
Fixed it for you ;D
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Re: The Republican National Convention (RNC)
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Master
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Mars_ax
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Master
Did not realise Clint Eastwood was a republican.
Yup, Eastwood is a conservative, always has been. Other actors like Robert De Niro, and George Clooney are, Dems/liberals and Obama supporters. I'm pretty sure Clooney is a fag.
You do not have to be a fag to support Obama. Heston was a republican.
True, but fags/lesbos-feminists are where a big block of Obama's supporters come from, just saying Clooney acts like a fag, and i'm pretty sure he is one. In re: Heston, he was not only a republican but president or spokesman for the NRA (National rifle association) for quite a while.
Yeah, that George Clooney, always got a different stunning woman on his arm every few months, definite gay boy.
The women are just for show, it's well known that the dude is a fag, i've heard he's even given Obama a couple blow jobs.
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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VictorCharlie
I only listened to Rand Paul. I thought it was an average speech. I may go find Christie's speech later. I think both of the main party candidate are ultimately the same and ruinous for us. Maybe Romney would get to pick a good Supreme Court nominee but that is about all I'd hold my breath for if he wins.
I disagree, my main concern is getting the economy back up and running, job creation and working down the national debt. Obama had a chance do try and do this the past four years, and hasn't done shit, why should we believe he will in another 4 years. For me the choice is easy, with Romney and Ryan there's leadership and hope, with Obama we're headed for a huge economic disaster/recession, and a welfare state.
Everyone i'm talking to here in Texas wants Obama out, I think he'll be a 1 term president.
Romney is basically going to repeat the policies that led to
the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
The "2008 meltdown" of the economy wasn't all the fault of Bush and the Republicans, the Dems had a majority in congress at the time, so blaming it all on the Republicans or even most of it, is bullshit. And remember that little thing called 9/11? That, and the subsequent economy draining military defense of the U.S. was a big factor, 2 wars that were supported by the Dems at the time.
Tell you what, you can bash Bush, but I don't even want to think about a fucking Clown like Obama being the president/CIC during 9/11.
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Re: The Republican National Convention (RNC)
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Mars_ax
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Master
Did not realise Clint Eastwood was a republican.
Yup, Eastwood is a conservative, always has been. Other actors like Robert De Niro, and George Clooney are, Dems/liberals and Obama supporters. I'm pretty sure Clooney is a fag.
You do not have to be a fag to support Obama. Heston was a republican.
True, but fags/lesbos-feminists are where a big block of Obama's supporters come from, just saying Clooney acts like a fag, and i'm pretty sure he is one. In re: Heston, he was not only a republican but president or spokesman for the NRA (National rifle association) for quite a while.
Yeah, that George Clooney, always got a different stunning woman on his arm every few months, definite gay boy.
The women are just for show, it's well known that the dude is a fag, i've heard he's even given Obama a couple blow jobs.
It's so well known he was subpoenad by Italian prosecutors as a witness because he was a regular guest at Silvio Berlusconi's bunga bunga parties. Maybe Berlusconi is gay too.
Incidentally, in a recent poll in Italy Italian women were asked if they'd sleep with Berlusconi. 30% said "yes" and 70% said "what, again?"
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
VictorCharlie
I only listened to Rand Paul. I thought it was an average speech. I may go find Christie's speech later. I think both of the main party candidate are ultimately the same and ruinous for us. Maybe Romney would get to pick a good Supreme Court nominee but that is about all I'd hold my breath for if he wins.
I disagree, my main concern is getting the economy back up and running, job creation and working down the national debt. Obama had a chance do try and do this the past four years, and hasn't done shit, why should we believe he will in another 4 years. For me the choice is easy, with Romney and Ryan there's leadership and hope, with Obama we're headed for a huge economic disaster/recession, and a welfare state.
Everyone i'm talking to here in Texas wants Obama out, I think he'll be a 1 term president.
Romney is basically going to repeat the policies that led to
the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
The "2008 meltdown" of the economy wasn't all the fault of Bush and the Republicans, the Dems had a majority in congress at the time, so blaming it all on the Republicans or even most of it, is bullshit. And remember that little thing called 9/11? That, and the subsequent economy draining military defense of the U.S. was a big factor, 2 wars that were supported by the Dems at the time.
Tell you what, you can bash Bush, but I don't even want to think about a fucking Clown like Obama being the president/CIC during 9/11.
How did the Democrats having a majority in congress have anything to do with the 2008 meltdown? Or the government spending money on 9/11 and various wars?
How did Bush do a good job on 9/11? After hearing the country was under attack he sat and listened to a schoolkid reading a kid's book for half an hour. Then he got in his plane and flew off to Nebraska where he hid in the side of a mountain for a few days while Giuliani took chage in NY.
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Bush did a great job finding Bin Laden, whereas Obama "the clown" has had no such luck I suppose.
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I give the President credit for having the balls to green light a risky cross border operation and giving Pakistan the middle finger at the same time but I'm not sure how much credit I give him for "finding" UBL.
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Greenbeanz
Bush did a great job finding Bin Laden, whereas Obama "the clown" has had no such luck I suppose.
Bush was the genius behind the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" fiasco.
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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VictorCharlie
I only listened to Rand Paul. I thought it was an average speech. I may go find Christie's speech later. I think both of the main party candidate are ultimately the same and ruinous for us. Maybe Romney would get to pick a good Supreme Court nominee but that is about all I'd hold my breath for if he wins.
I disagree, my main concern is getting the economy back up and running, job creation and working down the national debt. Obama had a chance do try and do this the past four years, and hasn't done shit, why should we believe he will in another 4 years. For me the choice is easy, with Romney and Ryan there's leadership and hope, with Obama we're headed for a huge economic disaster/recession, and a welfare state.
Everyone i'm talking to here in Texas wants Obama out, I think he'll be a 1 term president.
Romney is basically going to repeat the policies that led to
the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
The "2008 meltdown" of the economy wasn't all the fault of Bush and the Republicans, the Dems had a majority in congress at the time, so blaming it all on the Republicans or even most of it, is bullshit. And remember that little thing called 9/11? That, and the subsequent economy draining military defense of the U.S. was a big factor, 2 wars that were supported by the Dems at the time.
Tell you what, you can bash Bush, but I don't even want to think about a fucking Clown like Obama being the president/CIC during 9/11.
How did the Democrats having a majority in congress have anything to do with the 2008 meltdown? Or the government spending money on 9/11 and various wars?
How did Bush do a good job on 9/11? After hearing the country was under attack he sat and listened to a schoolkid reading a kid's book for half an hour.
Then he got in his plane and flew off to Nebraska where he hid in the side of a mountain for a few days while Giuliani took chage in NY.
Sounds like you've been reading a lot of liberal media propaganda, Bush was back in the fucking Whitehouse a day or 2 after the attack, he wasn't "hiding" anywhere asshole, he was in a command post with his advisers.
BTW, Are you an American Kirkland?
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VictorCharlie
I give the President credit for having the balls to green light a risky cross border operation and giving Pakistan the middle finger at the same time but I'm not sure how much credit I give him for "finding" UBL.
I'm just glad Bin Laden is dead, the piece of shit needed to pay for what he did, that was a happy day for me. Rather than a bullet to the head, I would have preferred a slower, more excruciatingly painful death.
BTW, we'd be fools to ever trust the Pakistani Government again.
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
VictorCharlie
I only listened to Rand Paul. I thought it was an average speech. I may go find Christie's speech later. I think both of the main party candidate are ultimately the same and ruinous for us. Maybe Romney would get to pick a good Supreme Court nominee but that is about all I'd hold my breath for if he wins.
I disagree, my main concern is getting the economy back up and running, job creation and working down the national debt. Obama had a chance do try and do this the past four years, and hasn't done shit, why should we believe he will in another 4 years. For me the choice is easy, with Romney and Ryan there's leadership and hope, with Obama we're headed for a huge economic disaster/recession, and a welfare state.
Everyone i'm talking to here in Texas wants Obama out, I think he'll be a 1 term president.
Romney is basically going to repeat the policies that led to
the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
The "2008 meltdown" of the economy wasn't all the fault of Bush and the Republicans, the Dems had a majority in congress at the time, so blaming it all on the Republicans or even most of it, is bullshit. And remember that little thing called 9/11? That, and the subsequent economy draining military defense of the U.S. was a big factor, 2 wars that were supported by the Dems at the time.
Tell you what, you can bash Bush, but I don't even want to think about a fucking Clown like Obama being the president/CIC during 9/11.
How did the Democrats having a majority in congress have anything to do with the 2008 meltdown? Or the government spending money on 9/11 and various wars?
How did Bush do a good job on 9/11? After hearing the country was under attack he sat and listened to a schoolkid reading a kid's book for half an hour.
Then he got in his plane and flew off to Nebraska where he hid in the side of a mountain for a few days while Giuliani took chage in NY.
Sounds like you've been reading a lot of liberal media propaganda, Bush was back in the fucking Whitehouse a day or 2 after the attack, he wasn't "hiding" anywhere asshole, he was in a command post with his advisers.
BTW, Are you an American Kirkland?
I think Kirk f*ucked up on that one. Bush didn't go into hiding in Nebraska. That's ludicrous.
HOWEVER..... I didn't get any responses regarding Bush's "masterplan" WMD fiasco. He gets a huge "F" on that one, don't you think? I'm not ready to give Bush much credit for his handling of the 9/11 crisis. Any President would've handled it more or less the same. What Bush DID manage to do, however, was PISS AWAY any and all the goodwill he got for free from U.S. allies, by his ineptitude in the months and years after 9/11.
I look at it this way: Bush was a crappy President to begin with. He managed to ride the public and global outcry over 9/11 to vastly improved approval ratings, by doing what most any other President would've done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know you have to respond with some type of force against a terrorist attack such as that. But what separates Bush from good Presidents, is that good Presidents would've used that support to his advantage, and continued the momentum going, especially at the global level. Bush was handed the keys to a Ferrari..... took it around the block for awhile..... and then smashed into the first light pole he could find.
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Re: The Republican National Convention (RNC)
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
VictorCharlie
I only listened to Rand Paul. I thought it was an average speech. I may go find Christie's speech later. I think both of the main party candidate are ultimately the same and ruinous for us. Maybe Romney would get to pick a good Supreme Court nominee but that is about all I'd hold my breath for if he wins.
I disagree, my main concern is getting the economy back up and running, job creation and working down the national debt. Obama had a chance do try and do this the past four years, and hasn't done shit, why should we believe he will in another 4 years. For me the choice is easy, with Romney and Ryan there's leadership and hope, with Obama we're headed for a huge economic disaster/recession, and a welfare state.
Everyone i'm talking to here in Texas wants Obama out, I think he'll be a 1 term president.
Romney is basically going to repeat the policies that led to
the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
The "2008 meltdown" of the economy wasn't all the fault of Bush and the Republicans, the Dems had a majority in congress at the time, so blaming it all on the Republicans or even most of it, is bullshit. And remember that little thing called 9/11? That, and the subsequent economy draining military defense of the U.S. was a big factor, 2 wars that were supported by the Dems at the time.
Tell you what, you can bash Bush, but I don't even want to think about a fucking Clown like Obama being the president/CIC during 9/11.
How did the Democrats having a majority in congress have anything to do with the 2008 meltdown? Or the government spending money on 9/11 and various wars?
How did Bush do a good job on 9/11? After hearing the country was under attack he sat and listened to a schoolkid reading a kid's book for half an hour.
Then he got in his plane and flew off to Nebraska where he hid in the side of a mountain for a few days while Giuliani took chage in NY.
Sounds like you've been reading a lot of liberal media propaganda, Bush was back in the fucking Whitehouse a day or 2 after the attack, he wasn't "hiding" anywhere asshole, he was in a command post with his advisers.
BTW, Are you an American Kirkland?
I think Kirk f*ucked up on that one. Bush didn't go into hiding in Nebraska. That's ludicrous.
HOWEVER..... I didn't get any responses regarding Bush's "masterplan" WMD fiasco. He gets a huge "F" on that one, don't you think? I'm not ready to give Bush much credit for his handling of the 9/11 crisis.
Any President would've handled it more or less the same. What Bush DID manage to do, however, was PISS AWAY any and all the goodwill he got for free from U.S. allies, by his ineptitude in the months and years after 9/11.
I look at it this way: Bush was a crappy President to begin with. He managed to ride the public and global outcry over 9/11 to vastly improved approval ratings, by doing what most any other President would've done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know you have to respond with some type of force against a terrorist attack such as that. But what separates Bush from good Presidents, is that good Presidents would've used that support to his advantage, and continued the momentum going, especially at the global level. Bush was handed the keys to a Ferrari..... took it around the block for awhile..... and then smashed into the first light pole he could find.
Light pole? We call them lamp -posts.
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Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
VictorCharlie
I only listened to Rand Paul. I thought it was an average speech. I may go find Christie's speech later. I think both of the main party candidate are ultimately the same and ruinous for us. Maybe Romney would get to pick a good Supreme Court nominee but that is about all I'd hold my breath for if he wins.
I disagree, my main concern is getting the economy back up and running, job creation and working down the national debt. Obama had a chance do try and do this the past four years, and hasn't done shit, why should we believe he will in another 4 years. For me the choice is easy, with Romney and Ryan there's leadership and hope, with Obama we're headed for a huge economic disaster/recession, and a welfare state.
Everyone i'm talking to here in Texas wants Obama out, I think he'll be a 1 term president.
Romney is basically going to repeat the policies that led to
the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
The "2008 meltdown" of the economy wasn't all the fault of Bush and the Republicans, the Dems had a majority in congress at the time, so blaming it all on the Republicans or even most of it, is bullshit. And remember that little thing called 9/11? That, and the subsequent economy draining military defense of the U.S. was a big factor, 2 wars that were supported by the Dems at the time.
Tell you what, you can bash Bush, but I don't even want to think about a fucking Clown like Obama being the president/CIC during 9/11.
How did the Democrats having a majority in congress have anything to do with the 2008 meltdown? Or the government spending money on 9/11 and various wars?
How did Bush do a good job on 9/11? After hearing the country was under attack he sat and listened to a schoolkid reading a kid's book for half an hour.
Then he got in his plane and flew off to Nebraska where he hid in the side of a mountain for a few days while Giuliani took chage in NY.
Sounds like you've been reading a lot of liberal media propaganda, Bush was back in the fucking Whitehouse a day or 2 after the attack, he wasn't "hiding" anywhere asshole, he was in a command post with his advisers.
BTW, Are you an American Kirkland?
I think Kirk f*ucked up on that one. Bush didn't go into hiding in Nebraska. That's ludicrous.
HOWEVER..... I didn't get any responses regarding Bush's "masterplan" WMD fiasco. He gets a huge "F" on that one, don't you think? I'm not ready to give Bush much credit for his handling of the 9/11 crisis.
Any President would've handled it more or less the same. What Bush DID manage to do, however, was PISS AWAY any and all the goodwill he got for free from U.S. allies, by his ineptitude in the months and years after 9/11.
I look at it this way: Bush was a crappy President to begin with. He managed to ride the public and global outcry over 9/11 to vastly improved approval ratings, by doing what most any other President would've done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know you have to respond with some type of force against a terrorist attack such as that. But what separates Bush from good Presidents, is that good Presidents would've used that support to his advantage, and continued the momentum going, especially at the global level. Bush was handed the keys to a Ferrari..... took it around the block for awhile..... and then smashed into the first light pole he could find.
Light pole? We call them lamp -posts.
Go figure...
;D
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
VictorCharlie
I only listened to Rand Paul. I thought it was an average speech. I may go find Christie's speech later. I think both of the main party candidate are ultimately the same and ruinous for us. Maybe Romney would get to pick a good Supreme Court nominee but that is about all I'd hold my breath for if he wins.
I disagree, my main concern is getting the economy back up and running, job creation and working down the national debt. Obama had a chance do try and do this the past four years, and hasn't done shit, why should we believe he will in another 4 years. For me the choice is easy, with Romney and Ryan there's leadership and hope, with Obama we're headed for a huge economic disaster/recession, and a welfare state.
Everyone i'm talking to here in Texas wants Obama out, I think he'll be a 1 term president.
Romney is basically going to repeat the policies that led to
the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
The "2008 meltdown" of the economy wasn't all the fault of Bush and the Republicans, the Dems had a majority in congress at the time, so blaming it all on the Republicans or even most of it, is bullshit. And remember that little thing called 9/11? That, and the subsequent economy draining military defense of the U.S. was a big factor, 2 wars that were supported by the Dems at the time.
Tell you what, you can bash Bush, but I don't even want to think about a fucking Clown like Obama being the president/CIC during 9/11.
How did the Democrats having a majority in congress have anything to do with the 2008 meltdown? Or the government spending money on 9/11 and various wars?
How did Bush do a good job on 9/11? After hearing the country was under attack he sat and listened to a schoolkid reading a kid's book for half an hour.
Then he got in his plane and flew off to Nebraska where he hid in the side of a mountain for a few days while Giuliani took chage in NY.
Sounds like you've been reading a lot of liberal media propaganda, Bush was back in the fucking Whitehouse a day or 2 after the attack, he wasn't "hiding" anywhere asshole, he was in a command post with his advisers.
BTW, Are you an American Kirkland?
It's not liberal propaganda. He flew to Nebraska and hid in a bunker in the side of a mountain. It was a command and control centre but so what, it's not like he flew to New York and took charge, he stayed out of the way and left that to the mayor.
And how did 9/11 or the government spending money on wars cause the financial meltdown?
I'm not American buy I used to live there. I was in New York on 9/11. I knew people who were killed in the attacks.
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I only listened to Rand Paul. I thought it was an average speech. I may go find Christie's speech later. I think both of the main party candidate are ultimately the same and ruinous for us. Maybe Romney would get to pick a good Supreme Court nominee but that is about all I'd hold my breath for if he wins.
I disagree, my main concern is getting the economy back up and running, job creation and working down the national debt. Obama had a chance do try and do this the past four years, and hasn't done shit, why should we believe he will in another 4 years. For me the choice is easy, with Romney and Ryan there's leadership and hope, with Obama we're headed for a huge economic disaster/recession, and a welfare state.
Everyone i'm talking to here in Texas wants Obama out, I think he'll be a 1 term president.
Romney is basically going to repeat the policies that led to
the 2008 meltdown so how is he going to make things better, cut the deficit etc. ?
How is Obama going to make things much worse than they are now if he wins again?
The "2008 meltdown" of the economy wasn't all the fault of Bush and the Republicans, the Dems had a majority in congress at the time, so blaming it all on the Republicans or even most of it, is bullshit. And remember that little thing called 9/11? That, and the subsequent economy draining military defense of the U.S. was a big factor, 2 wars that were supported by the Dems at the time.
Tell you what, you can bash Bush, but I don't even want to think about a fucking Clown like Obama being the president/CIC during 9/11.
How did the Democrats having a majority in congress have anything to do with the 2008 meltdown? Or the government spending money on 9/11 and various wars?
How did Bush do a good job on 9/11? After hearing the country was under attack he sat and listened to a schoolkid reading a kid's book for half an hour.
Then he got in his plane and flew off to Nebraska where he hid in the side of a mountain for a few days while Giuliani took chage in NY.
Sounds like you've been reading a lot of liberal media propaganda, Bush was back in the fucking Whitehouse a day or 2 after the attack, he wasn't "hiding" anywhere asshole, he was in a command post with his advisers.
BTW, Are you an American Kirkland?
I think Kirk f*ucked up on that one. Bush didn't go into hiding in Nebraska. That's ludicrous.
HOWEVER..... I didn't get any responses regarding Bush's "masterplan" WMD fiasco. He gets a huge "F" on that one, don't you think? I'm not ready to give Bush much credit for his handling of the 9/11 crisis.
Any President would've handled it more or less the same. What Bush DID manage to do, however, was PISS AWAY any and all the goodwill he got for free from U.S. allies, by his ineptitude in the months and years after 9/11.
I look at it this way: Bush was a crappy President to begin with. He managed to ride the public and global outcry over 9/11 to vastly improved approval ratings, by doing what most any other President would've done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know you have to respond with some type of force against a terrorist attack such as that. But what separates Bush from good Presidents, is that good Presidents would've used that support to his advantage, and continued the momentum going, especially at the global level. Bush was handed the keys to a Ferrari..... took it around the block for awhile..... and then smashed into the first light pole he could find.
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I've met and shook hands with Bush and spoke with his wife Laura several times when he was Governor of Texas. I liked them both just fine then and still do. To be honest, I take offense at all the Bush bashing that goes on, much of which, isn't factual or fair.
Bush will be the 1st to tell you that he made mistakes when he was President, but he was put in a no win situation after 9/11. Some of you haters and critics might remember the old saying: "walk a mile in my shoes". There's 2 sides to every story, and i'm convinced that Bush did the best he could do at the time, and to blame him for every bad thing that happened during his Presidency is simply ridiculous.
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George and Laura Bush may very well be nice people and all that. But there's a world of difference between being a nice guy and being a good President. Kirk's point on his "hiding" after 9/11 is stupid. Being in Nebraska or going to the White House, no one doubts that Bush was taking the events of 9/11 seriously. My point continues being that Bush squandered a golden opportunity to gain valuable, permanent diplomatic ground in the months and years after the attacks. His WMD fiasco, which still hasn't been responded to by any of the forum's known Bush supporters (yourself, Lyle, VictorCharlie).... was laughable and ridiculous. A skillful President at foreign affairs would've gotten 10 times the mileage out of 9/11 than Bush did. We're not in the Cold War years anymore, where it was just the U.S. and the USSR, and the rest of the world didn't matter. It's a bit more complicated now.
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George and Laura Bush may very well be nice people and all that. But there's a world of difference between being a nice guy and being a good President. Kirk's point on his "hiding" after 9/11 is stupid. Being in Nebraska or going to the White House, no one doubts that Bush was taking the events of 9/11 seriously. My point continues being that Bush squandered a golden opportunity to gain valuable, permanent diplomatic ground in the months and years after the attacks. His WMD fiasco, which still hasn't been responded to by any of the forum's known Bush supporters (yourself, Lyle, VictorCharlie).... was laughable and ridiculous. A skillful President at foreign affairs would've gotten 10 times the mileage out of 9/11 than Bush did. We're not in the Cold War years anymore, where it was just the U.S. and the USSR, and the rest of the world didn't matter. It's a bit more complicated now.
I'm not saying he didn't take the events of 9/11 seriously, I'm just saying he took them seriously from a safe distance. Giuliani was running the show until Bush eventually turned up for a stage-managed event with his bullhorn.
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Also, too, what do you mean when you say Bush "quandered a golden opportunity to gain valuable, permanent diplomatic ground in the months and years after the attacks." ?
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George and Laura Bush may very well be nice people and all that. But there's a world of difference between being a nice guy and being a good President. Kirk's point on his "hiding" after 9/11 is stupid. Being in Nebraska or going to the White House, no one doubts that Bush was taking the events of 9/11 seriously. My point continues being that Bush squandered a golden opportunity to gain valuable, permanent diplomatic ground in the months and years after the attacks. His WMD fiasco, which still hasn't been responded to by any of the forum's known Bush supporters (yourself, Lyle, VictorCharlie).... was laughable and ridiculous. A skillful President at foreign affairs would've gotten 10 times the mileage out of 9/11 than Bush did. We're not in the Cold War years anymore, where it was just the U.S. and the USSR, and the rest of the world didn't matter. It's a bit more complicated now.
I'm not saying he didn't take the events of 9/11 seriously, I'm just saying he took them seriously from a safe distance. Giuliani was running the show until Bush eventually turned up for a stage-managed event with his bullhorn.
I'm sure we agree that was out of his hands. The Secret Service wasn't going to let the President board a plane and head to either the White House OR New York City, when it was still unclear whether any further attacks were planned. My own point is that Bush responded to 9/11 as much any other President would have. It's a carefully rehearsed script aimed at effective response to any national emergency. Which is why IMO Bush gets neither kudos or "demerits" for his own response. My point is Bush's continued response after the immediate events had passed. That's where his ineptitude began showing once again.
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George and Laura Bush may very well be nice people and all that. But there's a world of difference between being a nice guy and being a good President. Kirk's point on his "hiding" after 9/11 is stupid. Being in Nebraska or going to the White House, no one doubts that Bush was taking the events of 9/11 seriously. My point continues being that Bush squandered a golden opportunity to gain valuable, permanent diplomatic ground in the months and years after the attacks. His WMD fiasco, which still hasn't been responded to by any of the forum's known Bush supporters (yourself, Lyle, VictorCharlie).... was laughable and ridiculous. A skillful President at foreign affairs would've gotten 10 times the mileage out of 9/11 than Bush did. We're not in the Cold War years anymore, where it was just the U.S. and the USSR, and the rest of the world didn't matter. It's a bit more complicated now.
Why do you do you think me, Lyle, and VictorCharlie are "Bush supporters"? All I try to do is get some of you Bush bashers/haters to get your facts straight, it's not about "defending" or supporting Bush.
For what it's worth, at that time Bush was told by trusted military and intelligence advisers, that Iraq might either have nuclear weapons or was in the process of making them, much like Iran is now. (remember the climate of the times, this wasn't long after 9/11) It wasn't really hard to believe that Saddam might either have or was in the process of building nukes. If you want to believe that Bush used this as an excuse to wage an "illegal" war with Iraq & Saddam, and that Bush is a fucking "war criminal" fine, I for one don't.
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P.S. some of you blithering idiots still believe Bush planned 9/11 with Bin Laden. Bush's biggest fault: he's a wealthy/privileged 'white' male, and an evil conservative/republican.
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Also, too, what do you mean when you say Bush "quandered a golden opportunity to gain valuable, permanent diplomatic ground in the months and years after the attacks." ?
After 9/11, even traditional U.S. enemies (or non-sympathizers) were totally lined up with the U.S. against Al-Qaeda and the forces of global terrorism. Bush's popularity at home reached record highs, and for the time being was not as despised abroad as usual. But his ill-aimed policies eroded any momentum he should've had after 9/11. You've already seen (and probably posted) Bush's atrocious approval ratings at home during his administration. Now see how he was viewed abroad during his term.
Global Public Opinion in the Bush Years (2001-2008) | Pew Global Attitudes Project
Bush did himself no favors by insisting on the WMD campaign when it became painfully aware to everyone (here and abroad) that he was on a silly wild goose chase. He went to great lengths making airport terminals safer (albeit with a lot of inconveniences suffered by air travelers)..... but neglected to make the airplanes themselves safer. Tell me..... how is it that you cannot take a nail clipper on board, but the door to the cockpit is still as vulnerable as before? And why aren't there armed marshalls aboard every flight, like they reportedly do in Israel?
But globally, Bush was held in the same disdain toward the end of his term as he was before 9/11. If that's not squandering a golden chance to galvanize global opinion in his favor, I don't know what is.
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Tito,
When have I posted in support of President Bush for much of anything? In fact I think where I break from most people on this forum is showing the across the board similarities of Obama's and Bush's policies and how they are horrible.
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P.S. some of you blithering idiots still believe Bush planned 9/11 with Bin Laden. Bush's biggest fault: he's a wealthy white male, and an evil conservative/republican.
Has someone here claimed that??
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Tito,
When have I posted in support of President Bush for much of anything? In fact I think where I break from most people on this forum is showing the across the board similarities of Obama's and Bush's policies and how they are horrible.
I stand corrected. I know you criticize Obama far more than you support Bush.
Gotta keep you and Lyle separate in my own mind.
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