Romney vs. Obama Debate - Part III - the final insult Monday night.

while Stewart is no doubt a leftie, and O'Reilly right, you get the sense that outside of their jobs they are probably capable of going for a beer together and spending the whole time making fun of their own personal party affiliations.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1a9F96CfAw

John Stewart on Obama's handling of Libya.......:-\

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Romney didn't even mention Benghazi during the debate. Why is this? Because for the vast majority it's irrelevant, it's only a talking point for the GOP to get people like you fired up enough to vote for them.

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

while Stewart is no doubt a leftie, and O'Reilly right, you get the sense that outside of their jobs they are probably capable of going for a beer together and spending the whole time making fun of their own personal party affiliations.

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Yes, they are quite friendly with each other actually

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Romney didn't mention Benghazi because the damage had been done already. Candy Crawley attempted to help Obama but after bringing it up it's still the hot issue it makes Obama look very weak if not incompotent in handling these kinds of issues.

The American people were sold Barack Obama as a President who understands the Muslim culture, a President that will be respected and everything will be A-OK honky dorey, the seas wouldn't rise, the Earth would be healed, jobs would return, peace would be upon the world, dogs & cats, Christians, Jews, & Muslims living together singing Kumbaya by the campfire......and what did we get Kirkland? We got a guy who has no solutions and has no accountability....Barack Obama is no leader, Joe Biden is no leader.

"Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?” .....is that what a leader tells a grieving parent Kirkland? Because that's what Joe Biden said. Benghazi is a situation where help was DENIED to American citizens and whether its 4 or 400 it's a big deal because of how it went down and what happened afterwards. Is going on The Daily Show and laughing about how it's "not Optimal" what a leader would do? Is calling what happened a "Bump in the road" a show of leadership? There was significant enough strength in that region to help those citizens, there was significant enough warning to help those citizens....where was the leadership? Where was Obama? The proverbial 3:00 A.M. call happened and where was he???



Asleep that's where he was and if you don't see that as "a big fucking deal" to borrow a phrase from the irreverent Vice President Joe Biden then you don't have a clue

Like I already said, the whole thing is just being stirred up by the Romney people just to get people like you excited enough to go out and vote. The vast majority of the population aren't interested at all because it's a tragic event that's being politicised to win votes.

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Like I already said, the whole thing is just being stirred up by the Romney people just to get people like you excited enough to go out and vote. The vast majority of the population aren't interested at all because it's a tragic event that's being politicised to win votes.

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I'll let VC answer for how that makes those in harm's way feel about the current Administration...I'm going to guess they aren't all that thrilled about it.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Like I already said, the whole thing is just being stirred up by the Romney people just to get people like you excited enough to go out and vote. The vast majority of the population aren't interested at all because it's a tragic event that's being politicised to win votes.

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I'll let VC answer for how that makes those in harm's way feel about the current Administration...I'm going to guess they aren't all that thrilled about it.

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Look, this is one small incident that's currently being politicised because it happened so close to an election. If having an embassy or a consulate attacked makes you weak on national security then how do you explain the huge spike in embassy/consulate attacks/US diplomatic fatalities during the Reagan/Bush the Lesser presidencies? I could post a graph here but I'm sure you'll look the facts up for yourself.

Also, too. Would there have been more protection at the Benghazi consulate if the GOP house committee hadn't slashed the funding they give the state department for diplomatic protection?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Look, this is one small incident that's currently being politicised because it happened so close to an election. If having an embassy or a consulate attacked makes you weak on national security then how do you explain the huge spike in embassy/consulate attacks/US diplomatic fatalities during the Reagan/Bush the Lesser presidencies? I could post a graph here but I'm sure you'll look the facts up for yourself.

Also, too. Would there have been more protection at the Benghazi consulate if the GOP house committee hadn't slashed the funding they give the state department for diplomatic protection?

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#1 The attack in Benghazi is the first time since 1979 where an Ambassador from the United States was assasinated.
#1 A) It could have been prevented
#1 B) It SHOULD have been prevented
#1 C) The Obama Administration lied about what they knew, when they knew, and what they could have done to help. They are accountable and the people that are trying to sweep this under the rug and say "Oh forget about it, it happens all the time, they're just trying to politicise this because the election is close" were the same people saying "Bush lied people died" about the WMDs in Iraq.

#2. Not all Embassies have to have top notch security personnel but I think we could have done better than unarmed Libyan "bodyguards". I don't expect a fucking SWAT team in our Embassy in England or in France or Japan or even China for that matter.....but a country that has JUST gotten rid of a leader and is still very much split in 2....yeah I think we could have some additional security there. Also if they came under attack and there are American military bases all over the world (which there are and some within very close distance to Benghazi) one would assume that we would have it in us to save our fellow countrymen. All that is being asked is "Who denied the help?" Barack Obama being Commander in Chief doesn't look too fucking great as a leader to allow that to happen now does he? Although to you that might be just fine, I'm certain you wouldn't change your view if you were one of the soldiers there waiting on help that's never coming.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Look, this is one small incident that's currently being politicised because it happened so close to an election. If having an embassy or a consulate attacked makes you weak on national security then how do you explain the huge spike in embassy/consulate attacks/US diplomatic fatalities during the Reagan/Bush the Lesser presidencies? I could post a graph here but I'm sure you'll look the facts up for yourself.

Also, too. Would there have been more protection at the Benghazi consulate if the GOP house committee hadn't slashed the funding they give the state department for diplomatic protection?

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#1 The attack in Benghazi is the first time since 1979 where an Ambassador from the United States was assasinated.
#1 A) It could have been prevented
#1 B) It SHOULD have been prevented
#1 C) The Obama Administration lied about what they knew, when they knew, and what they could have done to help. They are accountable and the people that are trying to sweep this under the rug and say "Oh forget about it, it happens all the time, they're just trying to politicise this because the election is close" were the same people saying "Bush lied people died" about the WMDs in Iraq.

#2. Not all Embassies have to have top notch security personnel but I think we could have done better than unarmed Libyan "bodyguards". I don't expect a fucking SWAT team in our Embassy in England or in France or Japan or even China for that matter.....but a country that has JUST gotten rid of a leader and is still very much split in 2....yeah I think we could have some additional security there. Also if they came under attack and there are American military bases all over the world (which there are and some within very close distance to Benghazi) one would assume that we would have it in us to save our fellow countrymen. All that is being asked is "Who denied the help?" Barack Obama being Commander in Chief doesn't look too fucking great as a leader to allow that to happen now does he? Although to you that might be just fine, I'm certain you wouldn't change your view if you were one of the soldiers there waiting on help that's never coming.

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Again, this is all just you parroting whatever the latest nonsense is on conservative blogs or wherever. There was an attack on a consulte. People died. There was a confused response by the government. The event is being politicised as it's so close to an election. Will this ever get mentioned again the day after the election? If Romney wins I don't think we'll hear about it again. If Obama wins it's 50/50, but the GOP will only contimue pushing it out of bloody mindedness. It's basically an irrelevance.

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Again, this is all just you parroting whatever the latest nonsense is on conservative blogs or wherever. There was an attack on a consulte. People died. There was a confused response by the government. The event is being politicised as it's so close to an election. Will this ever get mentioned again the day after the election? If Romney wins I don't think we'll hear about it again. If Obama wins it's 50/50, but the GOP will only contimue pushing it out of bloody mindedness. It's basically an irrelevance.

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Oh yeah, totally, you're totally right it's only the first time since 1979 when a US Ambassador has been assasinated OH and the best part was there was a chance to not have that be the outcome but yeah what you said is great....Obama has 0 accountability even if it was he who told our forces to "Stand down" as our American citizens and soldiers were left to die....but yeah it's playing politics not wondering about the accountability of the Commander in Chief.

Obama and Romney are one in the same. A vote for one is a vote for the other. That's why I'm voting for Gary Johnson. I don't want to live in a police state.

Just out of curiousity, what are American's feelings about Jill Stein? I know Lyle will call her a crazy hippie socialist, but does anyone feel any differently?

I took one of those quizzes that show how similar a candidates policies and beliefs are to your own, and she won by a landslide.

Pretty much a crazy hippy socialist. No seriously I am philosophically opposed to the Green party except on civil liberties but I can appreciate that they are consistent in their principles. Have you ever heard her speak? Her and Johnson have had some debates and she just isn't a very good public speaker. I feel like I'm being lectured by my local librarian. Most Americans have never heard of her though. Probably even much less than Johnson.

So it is now all about protecting embassy workers in Libya? It's no wonder the country is completely fucked.

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Again, this is all just you parroting whatever the latest nonsense is on conservative blogs or wherever. There was an attack on a consulte. People died. There was a confused response by the government. The event is being politicised as it's so close to an election. Will this ever get mentioned again the day after the election? If Romney wins I don't think we'll hear about it again. If Obama wins it's 50/50, but the GOP will only contimue pushing it out of bloody mindedness. It's basically an irrelevance.

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Oh yeah, totally, you're totally right it's only the first time since 1979 when a US Ambassador has been assasinated OH and the best part was there was a chance to not have that be the outcome but yeah what you said is great....Obama has 0 accountability even if it was he who told our forces to "Stand down" as our American citizens and soldiers were left to die....but yeah it's playing politics not wondering about the accountability of the Commander in Chief.

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What evidence do you have that Obama told troops to stand down while the consulate was being attacked?

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What evidence do you have that Obama told troops to stand down while the consulate was being attacked?

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As a concerned citizen I am waiting for the transparency that this President promised us. I would like to know what happened and why those in danger were not assisted. Is that bad of me? Does that make me a bad citizen? I would like somebody to be held accountable for what happened, people died because air support was not called in. Tyrone Woods & Glen Doherty are heroes for going to help save their countrymen. Somebody dropped the ball and I would like to know who.

I know it's not the now former Africom General Carter F. Ham because I have heard from reliable sources that he was Hell bent on helping those troops. So beyond that we're looking at Secretary of Defense or the Commander in Chief.

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Pretty much a crazy hippy socialist. No seriously I am philosophically opposed to the Green party except on civil liberties but I can appreciate that they are consistent in their principles. Have you ever heard her speak? Her and Johnson have had some debates and she just isn't a very good public speaker. I feel like I'm being lectured by my local librarian. Most Americans have never heard of her though. Probably even much less than Johnson.

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No, I have never heard her speak. I guess like most Americans, I know almost nothing about her aside from the fact that she and her running-mate staged a 60's-style sit-in protest in front of one of the debates which lastest all of 5 minutes.

I do agree with some of the Canadian Green parties policy and I think it's almost never a bad thing to have different perspectives in politics, but I've never seriously considered voting for them anywhere beyond the municipal level.

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What evidence do you have that Obama told troops to stand down while the consulate was being attacked?

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As a concerned citizen I am waiting for the transparency that this President promised us. I would like to know what happened and why those in danger were not assisted. Is that bad of me? Does that make me a bad citizen? I would like somebody to be held accountable for what happened, people died because air support was not called in. Tyrone Woods & Glen Doherty are heroes for going to help save their countrymen. Somebody dropped the ball and I would like to know who.

I know it's not the now former Africom General Carter F. Ham because I have heard from reliable sources that he was Hell bent on helping those troops. So beyond that we're looking at Secretary of Defense or the Commander in Chief.

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So you're fucking clueless as usual. Would these "reliable sources" be some conservative nutjob blog? I bet they are.

My source is a close friend of mine who is an officer in the US Air Force stationed in Europe who fielded calls from other bases regarding the Benghazi attack.....you were saying???

....what? No smartass reply??? Well dang

Yeah, yeah. You're full of it as usual.

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Yeah, yeah. You're full of it as usual.

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OK, whatever big guy....you just take your Dollies and go home