Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

....finally someone with some logic enters the thread. Let's not forget that D'Mato and Rooney pressure fighters burned out early regardless of their greatness

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We're talking one fight... prime, Sherlock. Burning out is besides the point. Point is who wins prime for prime. Unlike you, I can separate Vitali from Wlad. I think prime Tyson scares the shit out of Wlad, and proceeds to dismantle him. Wlad is safety first. Tyson is "to hell with caution I'm gonna rip your head off your shoulders". Tyson could also take a punch. I've always said Tyson vs Vitali would be a lot more competitive. Two big differences: Vitali wouldn't walk in scared... and Vitali could take a good punch.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I just dont go for the TYSON in 88 was unstoppable , yes he ripped through the HW's but he was beatable , he just fought poor fighters , when Tyson faced better fighters who fought back he lost via KO , he was not unbeatable.
Lets also not forget Tyson was a very small HW , he never faced anyone who was the size of Vitali , Smith was 16 stone 4 , i loved watching Tyson in his prime but he was over rated.

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Even Tyson post prison (3years!!) was still a threat. And why are we talking about rooney and cus and what other champions they didnt have, tyson mafe up for everyone else.

Just remember a mike tyson at 15 years old was something out of this world that was sparring with grown men sparring partners.

Youngest heavyweight champion in the world with tremendous speed and power for a small man.

There is nothing overated about tyson.

Who cares if everyone was scared of tyson.
Thats there problem not his.
This was a young, short heavyweight entering there world and he dominated..shame cus wasnt around to see it. Rip

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

:rolleyes: you Tyson nuthuggers

Oh the magic of Cus and Rooney :vd: ...that's why Rooney has had so many great fighters since Tyson right?

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Tyson nuthugger? I couldn't stand the guy. Every time he fought I wanted him to lose but that's not relevant in this hypothetical match up. When he fought Douglas he had already started on his downward slide but that does not take away what Douglas did. He fought the perfect fight and provided somewhat of a blue print for those who followed. I'm not sure anyone in history would have beaten Buster on that night.

Like I said, I think the Wlad that learned how to clinch and lean on smaller opponents might give Tyson some issues but he most likely gets decapitated by a prime Tyson and the Wlad featured in the gifs present in this thread would have been murdered by Tyson.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

....finally someone with some logic enters the thread. Let's not forget that D'Mato and Rooney pressure fighters burned out early regardless of their greatness

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We're talking one fight... prime, Sherlock. Burning out is besides the point. Point is who wins prime for prime. Unlike you, I can separate Vitali from Wlad. I think prime Tyson scares the shit out of Wlad, and proceeds to dismantle him. Wlad is safety first. Tyson is "to hell with caution I'm gonna rip your head off your shoulders". Tyson could also take a punch. I've always said Tyson vs Vitali would be a lot more competitive. Two big differences: Vitali wouldn't walk in scared... and Vitali could take a good punch.

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Where haven't I separated Wlad and Vitali? You want to make up more stuff I don't do? And even if we agree you're still bitching like the moaning little cunt you are.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

:rolleyes: you Tyson nuthuggers

Oh the magic of Cus and Rooney :vd: ...that's why Rooney has had so many great fighters since Tyson right?

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Tyson nuthugger? I couldn't stand the guy. Every time he fought I wanted him to lose but that's not relevant in this hypothetical match up. When he fought Douglas he had already started on his downward slide but that does not take away what Douglas did. He fought the perfect fight and provided somewhat of a blue print for those who followed. I'm not sure anyone in history would have beaten Buster on that night.

Like I said, I think the Wlad that learned how to clinch and lean on smaller opponents might give Tyson some issues but he most likely gets decapitated by a prime Tyson and the Wlad featured in the gifs present in this thread would have been murdered by Tyson.

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Forget it, Iam. Logic is lost on this guy. He's gone on record in the past saying Tyson would have no shot against Wlad. To suggest otherwise is heresy. You either believe that Wlad is the greatest ever... or you're a hater and probably a Tyson nuthugger.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

....finally someone with some logic enters the thread. Let's not forget that D'Mato and Rooney pressure fighters burned out early regardless of their greatness

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We're talking one fight... prime, Sherlock. Burning out is besides the point. Point is who wins prime for prime. Unlike you, I can separate Vitali from Wlad. I think prime Tyson scares the shit out of Wlad, and proceeds to dismantle him. Wlad is safety first. Tyson is "to hell with caution I'm gonna rip your head off your shoulders". Tyson could also take a punch. I've always said Tyson vs Vitali would be a lot more competitive. Two big differences: Vitali wouldn't walk in scared... and Vitali could take a good punch.

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Where haven't I separated Wlad and Vitali? You want to make up more stuff I don't do? And even if we agree you're still bitching like the moaning little cunt you are.

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Ever since Romney got his ass kicked you've been more insufferable than ever.
Take an anti-depressant or something for crying out loud.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I just dont go for the TYSON in 88 was unstoppable , yes he ripped through the HW's but he was beatable , he just fought poor fighters , when Tyson faced better fighters who fought back he lost via KO , he was not unbeatable.
Lets also not forget Tyson was a very small HW , he never faced anyone who was the size of Vitali , Smith was 16 stone 4 , i loved watching Tyson in his prime but he was over rated.

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Even Tyson post prison (3years!!) was still a threat. And why are we talking about rooney and cus and what other champions they didnt have, tyson mafe up for everyone else.

Just remember a mike tyson at 15 years old was something out of this world that was sparring with grown men sparring partners.

Youngest heavyweight champion in the world with tremendous speed and power for a small man.

There is nothing overated about tyson.

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Are you Mike Tyson ?
and is an adult helping you with the spelling ?

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I just dont go for the TYSON in 88 was unstoppable , yes he ripped through the HW's but he was beatable , he just fought poor fighters , when Tyson faced better fighters who fought back he lost via KO , he was not unbeatable.
Lets also not forget Tyson was a very small HW , he never faced anyone who was the size of Vitali , Smith was 16 stone 4 , i loved watching Tyson in his prime but he was over rated.

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Even Tyson post prison (3years!!) was still a threat. And why are we talking about rooney and cus and what other champions they didnt have, tyson mafe up for everyone else.

Just remember a mike tyson at 15 years old was something out of this world that was sparring with grown men sparring partners.

Youngest heavyweight champion in the world with tremendous speed and power for a small man.

There is nothing overated about tyson.

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Are you Mike Tyson ?
and is an adult helping you with the spelling ?

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Big fingers. Small iphone keypad.

Is that all you got?

Just imagine if tyson didnt go to prison.

Steward was in Wlad's corner when he got KTFO by Brewster

Moronic Tyson haters claim that Cus and Rooney were "overrated" when Wlad who is supposed ot be unbeatable with Emmanuel Steward gets stopped ... with Steward in his corner ;D;D

How many fights did Tyson lose with Rooney or Cus in his corner?

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I just dont go for the TYSON in 88 was unstoppable , yes he ripped through the HW's but he was beatable , he just fought poor fighters , when Tyson faced better fighters who fought back he lost via KO , he was not unbeatable.
Lets also not forget Tyson was a very small HW , he never faced anyone who was the size of Vitali , Smith was 16 stone 4 , i loved watching Tyson in his prime but he was over rated.

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Even Tyson post prison (3years!!) was still a threat. And why are we talking about rooney and cus and what other champions they didnt have, tyson mafe up for everyone else.

Just remember a mike tyson at 15 years old was something out of this world that was sparring with grown men sparring partners.

Youngest heavyweight champion in the world with tremendous speed and power for a small man.

There is nothing overated about tyson.

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Are you Mike Tyson ?
and is an adult helping you with the spelling ?

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Big fingers. Small iphone keypad.

Is that all you got?

Just imagine if tyson didnt go to prison.

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He would have lost to Holyfield sooner?

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I just dont go for the TYSON in 88 was unstoppable , yes he ripped through the HW's but he was beatable , he just fought poor fighters , when Tyson faced better fighters who fought back he lost via KO , he was not unbeatable.
Lets also not forget Tyson was a very small HW , he never faced anyone who was the size of Vitali , Smith was 16 stone 4 , i loved watching Tyson in his prime but he was over rated.

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Even Tyson post prison (3years!!) was still a threat. And why are we talking about rooney and cus and what other champions they didnt have, tyson mafe up for everyone else.

Just remember a mike tyson at 15 years old was something out of this world that was sparring with grown men sparring partners.

Youngest heavyweight champion in the world with tremendous speed and power for a small man.

There is nothing overated about tyson.

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Are you Mike Tyson ?
and is an adult helping you with the spelling ?

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Big fingers. Small iphone keypad.

Is that all you got?

Just imagine if tyson didnt go to prison.

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He would have lost to Holyfield sooner?

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Holyfield couldn't even handle Bowe and was nearly KOed by Bert Cooper ... Tyson would've finished him ... post prison Tyson was on his way to an early KO of Holyfield, until he started his cheating headbutting tactics

Yet old 50 year old geriatric Holyfield is still a dangerous contender in the Klit era ... which is why BOTH sisters ducked him

Yeah Tyson would handle those guys just like he handled Buster Douglas right? The Klitschko's didn't fight Holyfield because what's the use of battering an old man?

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Yeah Tyson would handle those guys just like he handled Buster Douglas right? The Klitschko's didn't fight Holyfield because what's the use of battering an old man?

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All they've been doing is fighting old men, so why duck old man Holyfield?

Wlad looked like he was going into labor in his corner after being bounced around like a pinball from the likes of Ross Puritty, a journeyman with 20 losses on his record ... old Holyfield would do the same to him

Tyson at his worst, on a crash diet, tons of personal problems and minimal training nearly put away Douglas with an uppercut in the 8th round. Tyson, unlike Wlad who DUCKED Sanders, Puritty for the remainder of his career was looking for an immediate rematch with Douglas because he knew that it was a stroke of luck, a fluke, nothing but an aberration.

Wlad didn't even fight Brewster again until after he was inactive for 15 months and spent 9 months in a hospital bed recovering from a detached retina. Great stuff from Wlad, fighting disabled guys with only one functioning eye coming straight from the hospital.

And that Buster Douglas of the Tyson fight would beat both Klits in one night.

Ok when would a rematch against Purrity have made sense for Wlad? How about Sanders? Things never fell into place for that to happen BUT Wlad redeemed himself vs Brewster. Mike Tyson on the other had has NEVER won a rematch vs a fighter that beat him in fact Tyson has never gotten off the canvas to win a fight....Wlad has. I guess he's better at handling adversity

To the people saying that Tyson didn't beat any good heavyweights in his prime and it was a weak division. Here's some food for thought.

Give me the list of Heavyweights that Wladimir has beaten that wouldn't have lost to Larry Holmes in 88.

Just gonna throw that out there. Of the list of heavyweights that Wladimir has fought and beat, can you give me even 5 that would have beaten Larry Holmes even in 1988?

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

Steward was in Wlad's corner when he got KTFO by Brewster

Moronic Tyson haters claim that Cus and Rooney were "overrated" when Wlad who is supposed ot be unbeatable with Emmanuel Steward gets stopped ... with Steward in his corner ;D;D

How many fights did Tyson lose with Rooney or Cus in his corner?

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And Wlad had no clue on how to clinch at that stage.

If Wlad could have survived the first few rounds against Iron Mike then I give him a chance to win a decision or late ko.

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Originally Posted by jon09

If Wlad could have survived the first few rounds against Iron Mike then I give him a chance to win a decision or late ko.

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A chance, sure. But a small one, IMO. A belief probably based on the myth that Tyson would exhaust his artillery early and fade later in the fight. But prime Tyson was tireless. The Douglas fight that has been mentioned so much. Douglas, who fought the fight of his life, pushed and manhandled Tyson throughout the fight. He gave as good as he got. Wlad would've never been able to duplicate that. He wouldn't have exposed his chin in those exchanges. This manhandling should've tired Tyson out. And yet Tyson found enough in him to floor Douglas in the 8th with a vicious uppercut. And uppercut that incidentally, would've decapitated the weak-chinned Wlad. Tyson tried to press the advantage in the 9th... but Douglas would not be denied that night.

Wlad wouldn't not have been involved in that type of warfare with Tyson from Round 1. And thus, Tyson would've been just as fresh in the later rounds, and even more dangerous to take Wlad's head off.

Yes... a chance. But not one most people would've put money on.

As someone here has stated, to assume Wlad beats '88 Tyson that would mean Tyson never did land 1 clean head punch on Wlad. That version of Tyson always landed one clean and hard punch to every opponent he faced up to that point, that would include fights where he went the distance with guys like Tillis, Green, Tucker, Smith. And I would say Tyson would be able to land one on Wlad. With that being said, would Wlad be able to take the punch? I would say no, considering we know that Wlad has a below average chin.

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As someone here has stated, to assume Wlad beats '88 Tyson that would mean Tyson never did land 1 clean head punch on Wlad. That version of Tyson always landed one clean and hard punch to every opponent he faced up to that point, that would include fights where he went the distance with guys like Tillis, Green, Tucker, Smith. And I would say Tyson would be able to land one on Wlad. With that being said, would Wlad be able to take the punch? I would say no, considering we know that Wlad has a below average chin.

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Yaar he wouldve pulled out citing menstrual cramps and bleeding ... And then duck him until he went to prison and then end up retiring while Mike was in prison claiming Mike didnt want to fight

Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall ;D

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall ;D

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David Haye took 3 rounds from your boy and made hum look foolish at times by dodging 4 and 5 punch combos with ease

Tyson was breaking ribs, moving cervical disks out of place, wiring jaws shut, and breaking bones in people skulls

He regulary beat guys as big as the klits ... David jaco, sammy scaff, tyrell biggs etc ... That leaning back arms out nonsense that the klits call "defense" would be an open invitation to Tyson ... Guys who did that and moved back suffered the worst beatings

You guys have to understand that this is an wildabeast vs lion matchup ... The ungalate may look formidable with its size and horns from the exterior but its percieved strengths are just superficial and wont save it from the hungry jaws of the lion

Beyond his size Wlad is a panic attack glass jawed disaster waiting to implode.. He has never seen anyone like Tyson while Tyson never fought anyone who wasnt taller and bigger than him

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Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall ;D

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David Haye took 3 rounds from your boy and made hum look foolish at times by dodging 4 and 5 punch combos with ease

Tyson was breaking ribs, moving cervical disks out of place, wiring jaws shut, and breaking bones in people skulls

He regulary beat guys as big as the klits ... David jaco, sammy scaff, tyrell biggs etc ... That leaning back arms out nonsense that the klits call "defense" would be an open invitation to Tyson ... Guys who did that and moved back suffered the worst beatings

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I think a difference of opinions in life are healthy , but to clear up a few points , Wlad is not "my boy" as you put it.
To compare Sammy Scaff / David Jaco to the brothers grim is just silly , dont forget Wlad would be punching back.
As for your child like stamping of the feet quoting the breaking of bones etc , i dont remember to many world class fighters he fought suffering these injuries.
Tyson was a bully , very good yes , unbeatable no.

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Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall ;D

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David Haye took 3 rounds from your boy and made hum look foolish at times by dodging 4 and 5 punch combos with ease

Tyson was breaking ribs, moving cervical disks out of place, wiring jaws shut, and breaking bones in people skulls

He regulary beat guys as big as the klits ... David jaco, sammy scaff, tyrell biggs etc ... That leaning back arms out nonsense that the klits call "defense" would be an open invitation to Tyson ... Guys who did that and moved back suffered the worst beatings

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I think a difference of opinions in life are healthy , but to clear up a few points , Wlad is not "my boy" as you put it.
To compare Sammy Scaff / David Jaco to the brothers grim is just silly , dont forget Wlad would be punching back.
As for your child like stamping of the feet quoting the breaking of bones etc , i dont remember to many world class fighters he fought suffering these injuries.
Tyson was a bully , very good yes , unbeatable no.

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The klits dont punch when they back peddle, they extend their arms forward and lean back

Razor Ruddock and Andrew Golota suffered these injuries ... Both of their careers were changed after that ... Razor Ruddock was a harder puncher than Wlad yet he couldnt contain Mike Tyson with his monstrous power ... and he was the most dangerous and feared heavyweight in the world after Mike. Andrew Golota was also a world class boxer, although a head case. Him quitting saved him from further serious injury against Mike.

Mike Tyson is the most explosive boxer in history, bar none. Watch Tyson vs. Ribalta and look at Ribaltas reaction to Mike landing the greatest, most powerful uppercut in history sending him across the ring and to the canvas. His facial expression says it all. Wlad would be unconscious, out cold if that ever landed on him.

A list of tall heavyweights 6'4" and above that Mike fought and for the most part, easily defeated

Sammy Scaff - 6'5"
David Jaco - 6'6"
Mitch Green - 6'5"
Jose Ribalta - 6'6"
Alfonzo Ratliff - 6'4"
James Smith - 6'4"
Tony Tucker - 6'5"
Tyrell Biggs - 6'5"

There are more but this should suffice.

You Klit lovers will STILL claim that their size would save them. Why didn't it save all of these other guys? Most of these guys had a similar style to the Klits too, they jabbed and grabbed for the most part.

Tyson had DYNAMITE in both hands and would finish either Klit.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall ;D

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David Haye took 3 rounds from your boy and made hum look foolish at times by dodging 4 and 5 punch combos with ease

Tyson was breaking ribs, moving cervical disks out of place, wiring jaws shut, and breaking bones in people skulls

He regulary beat guys as big as the klits ... David jaco, sammy scaff, tyrell biggs etc ... That leaning back arms out nonsense that the klits call "defense" would be an open invitation to Tyson ... Guys who did that and moved back suffered the worst beatings

You guys have to understand that this is an wildabeast vs lion matchup ... The ungalate may look formidable with its size and horns from the exterior but its percieved strengths are just superficial and wont save it from the hungry jaws of the lion

Beyond his size Wlad is a panic attack glass jawed disaster waiting to implode.. He has never seen anyone like Tyson while Tyson never fought anyone who wasnt taller and bigger than him

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I get your disdain for Wlad. But didn't you just exaggerate one point just a little bit?
Exactly WHICH 3 rounds did "I hurt my toe" Haye take from Wlad?
He landed 72 punches in the ENTIRE FIGHT.

See here's the thing: Sometimes Wlad's opponents are just as scared of Wlad as he is of them.

It's not so much the size but the fighting style....not that any of this matters to such a rabid fan of Tyson as yourself. The solid jabs, the movement, the not allowing for inside fighting, the height of course is an issue same with reach. Look at the D'Mato/Rooney style, look at all of their fighters title holders, all-time greats, all of them...look who beat those guys there's a pretty distinct link to them. The guys that beat the D'Mato fighters were either bigger bullies or guys who controlled pace & distance. Wlad may not be a bully in the ring but he controls the pace and distance of a fight pretty well...Vitali can do both. Wladimir hasn't gotten where he's gotten because he's a bum or everyone he fights is a bum, that's lazy thinking right there and you're not giving a great champion his due respect. Tyson was great, though he flamed out very quickly and that was always going to be the case.

Wlad has stopped roughly 12 guys who had never been stopped before. He's fought a lot more southpaws than any other heavyweight champion in the history of the sport and his reign as champion is 3rd behind only Larry Holmes & the greatest of all-time Joe Louis.

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Sammy Scaff - 6'5"
Mitch Green - 6'5"
Jose Ribalta - 6'6"
Alfonzo Ratliff - 6'4"
James Smith - 6'4"
Tony Tucker - 6'5"
Tyrell Biggs - 6'5" LOL.

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Sammy Scaff - 6'5" Lost nearly half of his fights. Journeyman.
David Jaco - 6'6" Lost more than half of his! Worse than journeyman.
Mitch Green - 6'5" Won 19 fights in total! Useless. Chef from southpark. Tyson won decision.
Jose Ribalta - 6'6" Lost 17 of his fights. B- level at best.
Alfonzo Ratliff - 6'4" Lost over a third of his fights! Bum.
James Smith - 6'4" Lost 17 contests. B level. Decision win for tyson.
Tony Tucker - 6'5" Good win but note it was a 12 round competitive decision.
Tyrell Biggs - 6'5" LOL. Biggs. Francesco Damiani stopped him quicker a year later! Featherfist.

Note the 3 best fighters (all of them B level at best) went the distance! The temerity of u to even compare those men to K2....

Please stop being a dick and give me one fighter Tyson beat who was remotely comparable to prime K2? Sammy Scaff LOL....Imbecile.

"I don't buy the idea that today's fighters are not as good as the old fighters,If you had asked Joe Frazier if he could beat me when I was at my best, he would have said, 'Hell yeah.' That's the way boxing goes. I think I could beat the next generation of fighters but the reality of history is that the fighters get better and better, bigger and bigger and stronger and stronger, I think the heavweight scene is pretty good right now, The Klitschkos are doing great."

-Mike Tyson

Before that he compared them to Lou Savarese.....fucking Lou Savarese :shakehead:

Yeah... a quote from an old, transformed, "kindler gentler" Mike Tyson is definitely ironclad proof that he would've never beaten Wladimir Klitschko while in their respective primes. I guess that wraps up the argument.

Cmon guys.

Would prime tyson beat a prime Wlad?

Lets ignore hindsight and all that and respect that wlad is the man of this era but he comes up short against iron mike.

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Yeah... a quote from an old, transformed, "kindler gentler" Mike Tyson is definitely ironclad proof that he would've never beaten Wladimir Klitschko while in their respective primes. I guess that wraps up the argument.

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Oooh more sarcasm from you you're SO good at it, I wish you would go on forever.

OK everybody you read Tito's posts nobody beats a "Prime" Tyson, nobody, he was unbeatable..... which was why he only held the title for how long again??? But Buster Douglas was class let me tell you!

The best fighter Tyson fought before his career was updended by the 42-1 underdog Buster Douglas was LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT Michael Spinks just allow that to sink in for a bit a light heavyweight was the "best opponent" for this unbeatable human wrecking machine......oh but Wlad's division is weaker :rolleyes: . And after prison Tyson routinely picked the easiest path to success...although he attempted to cash in vs Holyfield and Lewis he was simply not an elite fighter after prison. Would he have caused for interesting matchups vs other fighters, certainly, Riddick Bowe, Shannon Briggs, Tommy Morrison, and Ray Mercer top among them.

Could Wlad beat a "Prime" Tyson...meh maybe. Could Wlad beat a post prison Tyson? Absolutely.

Prime tyson never faced anyone remotely comparable to K2 so it is all sheer conjecture and speculation! There is no evidence to as to how Tyson would handle them at all because he never fought anyone of prime K2 calibre in his pomp! What evidence do you have that tyson would walk through these two specimens? Who has he beat that is as good as 3 time champ and iron chinned VK?

Point me to this Wlad like linear champ that he walked through? Yeah younger wlad was more vulnerable but so was tyson....Difference is wlad was good enough to better himself and is near inpenetrable these days.

Given the weakness of the 80's competition, and the inability of Tyson to comeback in any serious fashion after the Buster Douglas debacle, the Tyson myth of supremacy against journeymen fighters and under par contenders in the chaotic alphabet soup era of multiple governing bodies during the 1980's and 1990's leaves Mike Tyson with many question marks over him!

He was then humiliated by Holy twice, went life & death with B level ruddock twice, Totally outboxed by Lewis, yet he's gunna walk through these two! Laughable. One thing we do know for sure...Old tyson would have probably been killed by VK had that gone ahead! And im not being flippant!

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/stand...%C2%A9+Reuters

http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/63/...Klitschko2.jpg

There's several schools of thought regarding Tyson and the Klitschkos:

a. Tyson would have no chance against either Klitschko.
b. Tyson would mop the floor with either Klitschko.
c. Tyson would definitely beat Wlad, but would have a harder time with Vitali.

Interesting... I've never heard anyone say Tyson would beat Vitali, but maybe not Wlad.
That alone says people in general feel Vitali would have the better chance.

I'm in the "C" group. Wlad's chin would prove disastrous against Tyson. And Wlad appears to fight with fear of getting tagged. One thing is to "hit and not get hit", the art of boxing. Quite another is to spend 12 rounds pawing at an opponent, hoping not to get smashed. In Wlad's case, his opponents have come in with fear of their own, making for horrible fights.

Lyle, you say I'm sarcastic. But I've offered two basic reasons why Wlad would have little chance against a prime Mike Tyson. All I've gotten in return is a quote from an old Mike Tyson, and a post somewhere saying that Tyson is retarded. Hardly a convincing counter-argument. Meanwhile, the Tyson "nuthuggers", as you call them, provide reason after reason as to why Tyson would win.

It doesn't matter how long Tyson reigned vs. how long Wlad has reigned. Yeah Tyson burned out. What does that have to do with who would win in a head-to-head contest. In the end, Wlad will have the better career and better numbers. But again, how does that translate into Wlad beating Tyson?

Short answer: It doesn't.

1985-1989 Tyson would def mop the floor wıth Wlad...and he would also BEAT soundly Vıtali the way he beat Bonecrusher Smıth or Razor Ruddock. POST prıson Tyson would have some problems wıth Vıtalı but not wıth Wlad. I stıll say Tyson up untıl 1996 would also beat Vıtalı.

Mıke Tyson's LOSING effort ın the 1st Holyfıeld fıght showed just what a fantastıc chın he had whıch we really never knew about untıl Holy landed bomb after bomb and Tyson kept throwıng bombs hımself. That was a great heavyweıght fıght. Tyson untıl then stıll had plenty of fıre and decent defensıve movement. He was stıll good enough ın 1996 to wıpe Wlad out and wın agaınst Vıtalı--though maybe not by KO.

And talkıng about Tyson who fought Lewıs ıs totally fuckıng nuts. Tyson was already about 36 years old. No chance to beat Lewıs at that poınt. Dont even know why he tookk the fıghtç

Anybody who's been able to get to Wlad consistently has been able to stop him. Tyson was like a buzzsaw/force of nature in 1988, I don't see Wlad being able to keep him off of him. Tyson by KO, unless Wlad caught him with something huge early.

I rate Vitali vs Tyson a toss up because of Vitali's chin and the huge size difference.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

1985-1989 Tyson would def mop the floor wıth Wlad...and he would also BEAT soundly Vıtali the way he beat Bonecrusher Smıth or Razor Ruddock. POST prıson Tyson would have some problems wıth Vıtalı but not wıth Wlad. I stıll say Tyson up untıl 1996 would also beat Vıtalı.

Mıke Tyson's LOSING effort ın the 1st Holyfıeld fıght showed just what a fantastıc chın he had whıch we really never knew about untıl Holy landed bomb after bomb and Tyson kept throwıng bombs hımself. That was a great heavyweıght fıght. Tyson untıl then stıll had plenty of fıre and decent defensıve movement. He was stıll good enough ın 1996 to wıpe Wlad out and wın agaınst Vıtalı--though maybe not by KO.

And talkıng about Tyson who fought Lewıs ıs totally fuckıng nuts. Tyson was already about 36 years old. No chance to beat Lewıs at that poınt. Dont even know why he tookk the fıghtç

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So which is it was Lennox Lewis "old & washed up" or was he in "top condition" vs Tyson because in the fight right after that 1 calendar year later vs Vitali, Lennox was said to be "old & washed up".....so which is it fellas???

All Holyfield had to do was roll & counter the entire night, those fights showed what a ring general Tyson WASN'T because he never adapted to Holyfield. Fantastic chin, Evander was said to not have any power and he gave back to Tyson better than he got. Look at Tyson's KO's who the fuck are those guys? You're telling me Wlad doesn't have the brains or the skill to fight better than Bruno? Better than Ruddock? Better than Smith who was more than a tad chinny in his own right?

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I rate Vitali vs Tyson a toss up because of Vitali's chin and the huge size difference.

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Tyson would beat Vitali because Vitali is very stationary and slow in comparison to Tyson. Vitali may take the punches but think it just means he takes a systematic beating. Sure he will give Tyson problems because of height, weight and reach but Tyson used his size, speed and punching power to his advantage and would win sufficient rounds to win a decision.