Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez IV - Saturday night fight/chat thread

For the first time ever, won't pay to watch Pacquiao. I'm still reeling from the Bradley win. Pacman deserves better. Maybe Mayweather will finally step up.

Just watched the 3rd fight for the first time. I wouyldn't pay for it on Primetime because I stupidly thought weigfht would be a factor and it wouldn't be competative. I was very wrong. I actually scored the 3rd fight a draw but there were so many rounds were I was torn. I gave the 2nd fight to Marquez quite clearly and was pretty pissed off after the fight.

All that being said I think Manny will win a clear decision tonight.

I'm surprised people don't want to see it again. 3 great enjoyable fights. I'm looking forward to it.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Just watched the 3rd fight for the first time. I wouyldn't pay for it on Primetime because I stupidly thought weigfht would be a factor and it wouldn't be competative. I was very wrong. I actually scored the 3rd fight a draw but there were so many rounds were I was torn. I gave the 2nd fight to Marquez quite clearly and was pretty pissed off after the fight.

All that being said I think Manny will win a clear decision tonight.

I'm surprised people don't want to see it again. 3 great enjoyable fights. I'm looking forward to it.

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funny, I thought the third fight was a clear win for marquez

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Just watched the 3rd fight for the first time. I wouyldn't pay for it on Primetime because I stupidly thought weigfht would be a factor and it wouldn't be competative. I was very wrong. I actually scored the 3rd fight a draw but there were so many rounds were I was torn. I gave the 2nd fight to Marquez quite clearly and was pretty pissed off after the fight.

All that being said I think Manny will win a clear decision tonight.

I'm surprised people don't want to see it again. 3 great enjoyable fights. I'm looking forward to it.

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funny, I thought the third fight was a clear win for marquez

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I have Marquez winning all of them.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Just watched the 3rd fight for the first time. I wouyldn't pay for it on Primetime because I stupidly thought weigfht would be a factor and it wouldn't be competative. I was very wrong. I actually scored the 3rd fight a draw but there were so many rounds were I was torn. I gave the 2nd fight to Marquez quite clearly and was pretty pissed off after the fight.

All that being said I think Manny will win a clear decision tonight.

I'm surprised people don't want to see it again. 3 great enjoyable fights. I'm looking forward to it.

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funny, I thought the third fight was a clear win for marquez

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Well I was rooting for Marquez, but I thought he threw a few early ones away.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Just watched the 3rd fight for the first time. I wouyldn't pay for it on Primetime because I stupidly thought weigfht would be a factor and it wouldn't be competative. I was very wrong. I actually scored the 3rd fight a draw but there were so many rounds were I was torn. I gave the 2nd fight to Marquez quite clearly and was pretty pissed off after the fight.

All that being said I think Manny will win a clear decision tonight.

I'm surprised people don't want to see it again. 3 great enjoyable fights. I'm looking forward to it.

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funny, I thought the third fight was a clear win for marquez

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I have Marquez winning all of them.

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Same.

I think he will get it tonight.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Just watched the 3rd fight for the first time. I wouyldn't pay for it on Primetime because I stupidly thought weigfht would be a factor and it wouldn't be competative. I was very wrong. I actually scored the 3rd fight a draw but there were so many rounds were I was torn. I gave the 2nd fight to Marquez quite clearly and was pretty pissed off after the fight.

All that being said I think Manny will win a clear decision tonight.

I'm surprised people don't want to see it again. 3 great enjoyable fights. I'm looking forward to it.

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funny, I thought the third fight was a clear win for marquez

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I have Marquez winning all of them.

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Same.

I think he will get it tonight.

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You rich gits get to watch it live, I will have to use the teletext tomorrow to find the result.

I 'm going out on a limb here and picking Pacquiao by UD.
I hope he is as upset about Bradley as I am. I'm pissed off he's not fighting Bradley so I hope he stomps JMM's ass.
Of course, anything can happen when judges are doing whatever it is they do.

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Originally Posted by pacfan

I think Pac's gonna lose this one. I always said here that if Pac goes on charging in, he can knock Juan out anytime and I still do. But look what my bwoy has done instead. After every fight, he goes more on a defensive and retreat mode, avoiding exchange and staying safe. Look at the last fight, he hardly had any mark on his face, unlike the first, and to a lesser extent, the second. He knocked Juan thrice in the 1st fight, once in the 2nd, none in the 3rd. Im pretty sure this trend will continue and he'd be a loser this time. Tsk, tsk... Hey, pass the hankies...

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Unfortunately, I have this same sentiment. I believe that Pac is on a decline both physically and mentally. He does not have the same determination as before. If his last previous fights are any indication, then this may well be the fight that will result to his retirement. I hope it isn't so but would not be surprised if it is.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Just watched the 3rd fight for the first time. I wouyldn't pay for it on Primetime because I stupidly thought weigfht would be a factor and it wouldn't be competative. I was very wrong. I actually scored the 3rd fight a draw but there were so many rounds were I was torn. I gave the 2nd fight to Marquez quite clearly and was pretty pissed off after the fight.

All that being said I think Manny will win a clear decision tonight.

I'm surprised people don't want to see it again. 3 great enjoyable fights. I'm looking forward to it.

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funny, I thought the third fight was a clear win for marquez

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I have Marquez winning all of them.

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Same.

I think he will get it tonight.

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You rich gits get to watch it live, I will have to use the teletext tomorrow to find the result.

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Why don't you just stream Master? I'll get you a decent one.

Come on Dinamita! Justice tonight.

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I think Pac's gonna lose this one. I always said here that if Pac goes on charging in, he can knock Juan out anytime and I still do. But look what my bwoy has done instead. After every fight, he goes more on a defensive and retreat mode, avoiding exchange and staying safe. Look at the last fight, he hardly had any mark on his face, unlike the first, and to a lesser extent, the second. He knocked Juan thrice in the 1st fight, once in the 2nd, none in the 3rd. Im pretty sure this trend will continue and he'd be a loser this time. Tsk, tsk... Hey, pass the hankies...

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Unfortunately, I have this same sentiment. I believe that Pac is on a decline both physically and mentally. He does not have the same determination as before. If his last previous fights are any indication, then this may well be the fight that will result to his retirement. I hope it isn't so but would not be surprised if it is.

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Xactly, but what do you think about the unusual confindence Pac has been showing for this fight? I think it's a case of overconfidence, but hope I'm wrong though... Just hope he'll be coming forward strong this time (of course without getting knocked in the process); definitely I'm not counting on it though...

I've backed Marquez on points @ 11/4.
And Over 10.5 rounds.

And as a saver Pacquiao in 7, 8 and 9. Basically I can't lose unless Pac stops him in 6 or sooner.

And Marquez for the straight win at 15/8.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

big decision over what fight night food to have

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I'm having a 5 sausage Italian pizza with mushrooms and bell pepper, and washing it down with a couple Guinness Stout.
My wife just reminded me (bless her little heart) that a "native american", 'Pakowie', is fighting a mexican tonight, so i'd better not miss it. ;)

cheers

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big decision over what fight night food to have

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I'm having a 5 sausage Italian pizza with mushrooms and bell pepper, and washing it down with a couple Guinness Stout.
My wife just reminded me (bless her little heart) that a "native american", 'Pakowie', is fighting a mexican tonight, so i'd better not miss it. ;)

cheers

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I now love your wife Mars.

Pacquiao is not the same fighter he was just 2 years ago, his last two performances have been lackluster with little of that well known Pacquiao zip and relentless pressure. Where are the angles? Where is his ring craftmanship? I'm expecting him to lose to Marquez unless there is a return to the Pacquaio of old, and as we all know with boxers who begin to lose their aura of invincibility a real bad loss is just around the corner. Marquez by UD

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Pacquiao is not the same fighter he was just 2 years ago, his last two performances have been lackluster with little of that well known Pacquiao zip and relentless pressure. Where are the angles? Where is his ring craftmanship? I'm expecting him to lose to Marquez unless there is a return to the Pacquaio of old, and as we all know with boxers who begin to lose their aura of invincibility a real bad loss is just around the corner. Marquez by UD

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I'm thinking we see Manny at his best tonight, and Marquez gets stopped somewhere after the 7th round.

Dinamita by UD!

Come on! Justice!

My only concern here is that Marquez will try to hard to take it away from the judges and get caught.

Kenny Bayless is the ref, which sucks, and the 3 judges are: Adalaide Byrd, Steve Weisfeld and John Keane. I don't know why the fuck they would use an unqualified POS like Adalaide Byrd to judge this big fight, or any fight for that matter.

Pacquiao couldn't decisively beat him 2008, when he was near his peak. He's declined since 2009 and his last encounter with Marquez was his worst performance yet.

I'm going with Marquez this fight, by knockout. This fight should define the entire Marquez-Pacquiao episode.

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Pacquiao couldn't decisively beat him 2008, when he was near his peak. He's declined since 2009 and his last encounter with Marquez was his worst performance yet.

I'm going with Marquez this fight, by knockout. This fight should define the entire Marquez-Pacquiao episode.

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Well hopefully it will, I know I damn sure won't be watching a Pac-JMM V.

Alrighty, here we go, Javier Fortuna vs. Patrick Hyland, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim featherweight title.

At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, fourth fight, 12 rounds, welterweights; Yuriorkis Gamboa vs. Michael Farenas, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim junior lightweight title; Miguel Vazquez vs. Mercito Gesta, 12 rounds, for Vazquez's IBF lightweight title; Javier Fortuna vs. Patrick Hyland, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim featherweight title.

What time does the fight start in the UK??

You can't really post anything when the site is lagging like this. Usually you can post in real time and post round by round, but it's just not happening today. I'm just going to try and watch and see if I can post later. Anyway enjoy the fights! Something doesn't sit easy with a man fighting the P4P number 1 when he is 39, but Marquez has proven himself the better boxer over 3. It's almost like they keep fighting just so Pac can eventually get the man when he is finally just too old. Hopefully that won't be the case here.

39 is ancient in any division and that is just an unavoidable fact. However, there are aberrations and hopefully Marquez really is kryptonite.

Hyland fucking sucks

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You can't really post anything when the site is lagging like this. Usually you can post in real time and post round by round, but it's just not happening today. I'm just going to try and watch and see if I can post later. Anyway enjoy the fights! Something doesn't sit easy with a man fighting the P4P number 1 when he is 39, but Marquez has proven himself the better boxer over 3. It's almost like they keep fighting just so Pac can eventually get the man when he is finally just too old. Hopefully that won't be the case here.

39 is ancient in any division and that is just an unavoidable fact. However, there are aberrations and hopefully Marquez really is kryptonite.

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I'm just going to do the best I can, the lag is terrible and frustrating. Fortuna is pretty much dominating after 6 rounds.

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What time does the fight start in the UK??

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Just guessing, sometime around 3:30 or 4:00 AM Tam, 2 more undercard fights first.

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Hyland fucking sucks

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What do you expect when he has Snooki as part of his team.

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Just guessing, sometime around 3:30 or 4:00 AM Tam, 2 more undercard fights first.

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Thanks

Can anyone get me a stream for this? i'M struggling.

This fight is fucking terrible. Fortuna seems fast but he's all show and no substance. Hyland is not a world level fighter. Seems like they just wanted to give Fortuna a title. He'll get found out soon enough. Hyland appears already found out.

Hyland, likely needs a KO going into the 12th or Fortuna will win a decision.

Officially Fortuna wins a UD. zzzz

Evening all. I was thinking Marquez wins the fight, Manny gets the decision. I'm now thinking Manny wins the fight too. Maybe even a late stoppage. Going for Gesta here, think he has enough to do this.

Up next: Miguel Vazquez vs. Mercito Gesta, 12 rounds, for Vazquez's IBF lightweight title.

Nice one! The site is much quicker.

I thought the last fight was alright, but both fighters are no match for the top guys in their divisions.

I'm supporting Vasquez in this one.

Gesta seems like he is in some kind of coma. Easy work for Vasquez so far. 2-0.

At this point I see no reason to think Vazquez won't win a UD. That could change obviously.

I had to work overnight last night, I'm not sure I'm gonna make it to the main event. Seriously, we have another fight after this?

"Let me referee my fight. Shut up." Well said.

Mitt Romney is so creepy