Tyson Fury wants to fight the UFC Heavyweight champion?

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I didn't mean to dismiss the skill level required to be a serious wrestler etc. However, there are no organic punching instincts, that was my whole point. Grappling is very much different. If you have the right type of coordination and fast twich muscles etc its a tremendous advantage over someone who hasn't, even if they are more skilled. Boxing, or any hand to hand combat is a very finite thing which must be learned. You could be an absolute freak of nature athlete and get your ass whipped something fierce by someone who was simply more composed or accustomed to seeing punches come at them. Watch your average street fight, people absolutely panic and becoming completely unnerved. This is something you still see in a lot of UFC fights imo, with guys who are less than stellar on their feet.

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There are definitely organic punching instincts, you only need to Youtube "street fights" to see a bunch of guys who never trained a day in their lives throwing bombs at each other and knocking each other out.

Athleticism is a big part of any sport, guys like Roy Jones have dominated guys with superior technical skills with freak speed and strength.

With boxing or grappling, athleticism is useless without the superior technique to guide it, at least if you're going against someone who knows what they are doing.

lol Tyson Fury is trash talking???

Tyson Fury is famous for this

http://i43.tinypic.com/29z2cno.jpg

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

lol Tyson Fury is trash talking???

Tyson Fury is famous for this

http://i43.tinypic.com/29z2cno.jpg

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If you watch that closely the opponent ducked. He was not suppose to do that. :p

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

lol Tyson Fury is trash talking???

Tyson Fury is famous for this

http://i43.tinypic.com/29z2cno.jpg

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If you watch that closely the opponent ducked. He was not suppose to do that. :p

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We realize what happened but it's still pretty damned funny. I, especially like that surprised look on his face.
Are you saying Fury wasn't supposed to hit himself or his opponent wasn't supposed to duck? This is really starting to make me laugh. Thanks, I like to start my day with a good laugh.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

lol Tyson Fury is trash talking???

Tyson Fury is famous for this

http://i43.tinypic.com/29z2cno.jpg

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If you watch that closely the opponent ducked. He was not suppose to do that. :p

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Yeah... but come on!! How many times do you see a boxer evade a punch in your average boxing card? Probably hundreds. When was the last time your somebody miss and punch their own face!

Nobody thought he was trying to do it on purpose! ;)

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by ross

How would you know?

Whos to say that Fury isn't a little mma weekend warrior? Watches all the mma shows and does a little training at his gym?

Ill tell you this. Most mma fighters will not train boxing with any decent boxers because they dont like to get hit, whereas grappling, you may get tied up but you wont take those sharp stinging punches. I used to box and have done freestyle karate and trained with brazilian jiu jitsu practitioners and my uncle is a trainer in tradidional jiu jitsu and none of them would ever step foot in the boxing gym and attempt to spar, whereas myself and other boxers are more than willing and enjoy stepping over and learning new things and trying other things out. Whether this is a trend everywhere I don't know but I get the feeling that most martial artists (I know boxing is a martial art and quite possibly the first ever) think f themselves as "above" boxing and for one reason or another just plain refise to even step foot in a boxing specific gym, whereas boxers are quite open to traini g alongside them? Go figure...

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I'll agree 100% that a lot of grapplers don't want to get hit. That's the biggest adjustment when grapplers start training MMA: getting rid of the natural reaction to flinch, turn away from a strike, and getting their bodies used to being hit. Getting hit sucks, no question.

JDS is more than a "weekend warrior" who watches a few boxing matches on TV and trains on the weekend. JDS's particular camp trains with a lot of pro's and the Brazilian olympic boxing squad, in fact there is footage on Youtube of JDS sparring with an Olympian. He is a stablemate of Anderson Silva, who of course trained extensively for a period with Freddie Roach at the Wild Card gym. Are these guys ready to go take on a Klitschko or a Sergio Martinez? No, but they're no slouches when it comes to boxing.

Just because you were open minded, doesn't mean that attitude is universal. I've posted on MMA and boxing forums for over 10 years and I've had to defend MMA to boxing fans and defend boxing to MMA fans countless times. Generally speaking, those into boxing think the grappling game is a bunch of nonsense and don't like to partake in it. There are obvious exceptions, as the UFC has featured a few ex-pro boxers who made the switch successfully, but there is a general ignorance in the boxing community to everything that isn't boxing.

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I agree, there is plenty of snobbery on both sides and I really can't understand where it comes from.

It's simple for me, one is boxing and the other is MMA. I like and follow both but I do not compare one to the other.

I grew up watching boxing and will always enjoy a good boxing match.

I can relate to MMA from schoolyard fights. If someone is making your ears, cheeks and nose sting, then take him to the ground and see what happens.
I'm only comparing MMA to schoolyard fights in general outline. MMA is light years beyond anything I ever saw in school.

What's the problem? Ones boxing and ones MMA.

Tyson Fury would kick Velasquez' ass all over the ring/octagon as long as they fight under MAN RULES.. which means no holding, clinching, figure gay triangles or none of those gay moves..

Man I love Tyson Fury. This dude has been elevating his boxing game after each fight and he's so entertaining on the mic..

Tyson Fury beats David Price as well..

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Tyson Fury would kick Velasquez' ass all over the ring/octagon as long as they fight under MAN RULES.. which means no holding, clinching, figure gay triangles or none of those gay moves..

Man I love Tyson Fury. This dude has been elevating his boxing game after each fight and he's so entertaining on the mic..

Tyson Fury beats David Price as well..

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There's a fella that's confident about his own sexuality...

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Originally Posted by Bobthepen

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Tyson Fury would kick Velasquez' ass all over the ring/octagon as long as they fight under MAN RULES.. which means no holding, clinching, figure gay triangles or none of those gay moves..

Man I love Tyson Fury. This dude has been elevating his boxing game after each fight and he's so entertaining on the mic..

Tyson Fury beats David Price as well..

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There's a fella that's confident about his own sexuality...

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haha.. that's the same ole comeback line from an MMA fan..

naw man, Im just straight, that's all.. :cool:

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by Bobthepen

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Tyson Fury would kick Velasquez' ass all over the ring/octagon as long as they fight under MAN RULES.. which means no holding, clinching, figure gay triangles or none of those gay moves..

Man I love Tyson Fury. This dude has been elevating his boxing game after each fight and he's so entertaining on the mic..

Tyson Fury beats David Price as well..

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There's a fella that's confident about his own sexuality...

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haha.. that's the same ole comeback line from an MMA fan..

naw man, Im just straight, that's all.. :cool:

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I'm many things, but an MMA fan I'm not.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

It's obviously just a publicity stunt, but I don't think Velasquez or Dos Santos are guys who deserve a tremendous amount of respect to be honest. They are a couple of bums as long as they aren't taking you down, if they were to keep the fight standing even Tyson Fury would make easy work of them.

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Exactly..

lol I can't believe these dudes put Santos and Cain on a pedestal as if they are some skilled killers..

As long as they fight like real men, Tyson Fury puts them to sleep on the same night and im not even joking.

well if they were boxing i think fury could beat them both very easily but in a real fight fury would more than likley lose.. although it would be interesting to see a boxer who is not ancient and past it in the ring with a mid level mma guy and seeing how far they could go... even kimbo won some mma fights so i am sure a good boxer could rack up some good wins but once they got towards the title i have no doubt they would lose just about every time it just a totaly different sport..