I would have love to have seen the difference mayweather sr would have made to cotto earlier on as his trainer.
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I would have love to have seen the difference mayweather sr would have made to cotto earlier on as his trainer.
Yup. The pitiful punishment was almost as big a crime as the act of loading the gloves. Its as if they didn't care but had to do something. Same with roids. The powers at be probably support drug use because of the added explosion they provide in the ring. Its only when someone is caught that they then take the politically correct stance.If they were really concerned some form of random testing would be applied. Instead oh it costs to much, there is only one lab, bla bla bla.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by impCotto has been very willing but others have made excuses.Quote:
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Cotto was never the same after that fight with margarito.
The real crime is that margarito, the trainer and bob arum arent in jail.
Luis resto part 2
Very true. You could also argue that Margarito got hit by big time karma in his fight with Pacquaio, when he got his eye socket shattered (albeit completely legally). The one-year slap on the wrist Margarito received for the plaster incident was shameful. And Jose Sulaiman was bellyaching the whole time. Even more disgraceful.
@TitoFan It still makes me shake my head that nobody from Cottos corner went in to witness Margarito's hand wraps.
Mayweather Snr knows very little about training fighters, he would not have improved Cotto any more than his current trainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
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Originally Posted by IamInuitYup. The pitiful punishment was almost as big a crime as the act of loading the gloves. Its as if they didn't care but had to do something. Same with roids. The powers at be probably support drug use because of the added explosion they provide in the ring. Its only when someone is caught that they then take the politically correct stance.If they were really concerned some form of random testing would be applied. Instead oh it costs to much, there is only one lab, bla bla bla.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by impCotto has been very willing but others have made excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Cotto was never the same after that fight with margarito.
The real crime is that margarito, the trainer and bob arum arent in jail.
Luis resto part 2
Very true. You could also argue that Margarito got hit by big time karma in his fight with Pacquaio, when he got his eye socket shattered (albeit completely legally). The one-year slap on the wrist Margarito received for the plaster incident was shameful. And Jose Sulaiman was bellyaching the whole time. Even more disgraceful.
@TitoFan It still makes me shake my head that nobody from Cottos corner went in to witness Margarito's hand wraps.
The cost excuse for not improving testing for PEDs in boxing is pathetic. Couple of us had a heated argument about this subject on another thread a while back. Bottom line is, there's enough money in boxing, and testing can be done within certain cost parameters. It's not a bottomless pit of money like some would like us to believe.
I can't fathom either why no one went to Margarito's corner to check the wraps. It's too late after the damage has been done... and to Cotto's credit he came back from that illegal beating to rack up some good wins, including a payback over the cheating bastard himself.
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Originally Posted by MasterMayweather Snr knows very little about training fighters, he would not have improved Cotto any more than his current trainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I've wondered how the late, great Manny Stewart would've impacted Cotto's career. But at the same time I give all the credit in the world to Pedro Diaz for implementing some unorthodox training methods to Cotto's camp, and for bringing Cotto back toward the boxing style that served him so well earlier in his career.
Quite right. Its amazing how well Cotto has done not having a trainer really since the split with his uncle and only recently getting Diaz. I think him not being a big tape watcher and rather adjusting to who the man is in front of him helped in that regard.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MasterMayweather Snr knows very little about training fighters, he would not have improved Cotto any more than his current trainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I've wondered how the late, great Manny Stewart would've impacted Cotto's career. But at the same time I give all the credit in the world to Pedro Diaz for implementing some unorthodox training methods to Cotto's camp, and for bringing Cotto back toward the boxing style that served him so well earlier in his career.
Mayweather sr might have improved cottos defense and made an improvement on his already decent footwork.
He surely wouldnt have made him any worse.
I do not think it has been bad with Diaz.Quote:
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Every fighter is different, and you need to have a bond with your trainer and respect him in order to really learn, regardless of what they may know. Floyd Sr needless to say is an utter loon and a lot of guys would probably rather have an Urangutan in their corner. Just my take at least.
Cotto says he plans to have 3 fights before retiring
When things aren't working or the shit hits the fan and Mayweather Sr is around, it's always and I do mean always, someone else who is to blame.Quote:
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Every fighter is different, and you need to have a bond with your trainer and respect him in order to really learn, regardless of what they may know. Floyd Sr needless to say is an utter loon and a lot of guys would probably rather have an Urangutan in their corner. Just my take at least.
Maybe be took too many punches and can't help the way he acts. It puzzles me why anyone, except family, would trust him.
Cotto/Smith in the fall.
I hope not, nothing against Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I really want Molina to get the opportunity...
http://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-eye...retires--62787
Cotto is going to fight three more times and then call it quits.
Cotto should fight Canelo. If he fights him on the inside I see a long and uncomfortable night for the boy. To me Canelo just seems too robotic to keep Cotto from moving in behind that stiff jab and deft movement and once he's there I think Cotto just has too much experience and craft for him. As long as Cotto stays there and smothers him after he throws combos he should be relatively safe. If he pulls straight back out like he puzzingly did against Mayweather I see him getting caught right on the end of Canelo's punches. If he tries to outbox/punch him I see the same thing happening except he tires and gets pummeled into submission. Either way it would be an interesting fight.
Cotto is looking to make as much as he can before he retires. The big money fight for him is Alavarez provided he keeps winning. If Alavarez beats Trout and the Floyd fight doesn't get made then Cotto will be after that fight. He's not going to hang around to fight guys like Kirkland unless it's a tuneup for a big fight.
I doubt he would fight Molina. He saw the trouble Kirkland had with him. Cotto would have the same problem. Cotto should fight Angulo and see if he can be relevant again to AlvarezQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI hope not, nothing against Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I really want Molina to get the opportunity...
Sorry broQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI doubt he would fight Molina. He saw the trouble Kirkland had with him. Cotto would have the same problem. Cotto should fight Angulo and see if he can be relevant again to AlvarezQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI hope not, nothing against Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I really want Molina to get the opportunity...
I meant Molina gets the opportunity against Bundrage
Bundrage would of been better. Cuz Molina-Smith has terrible fight written all over itQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxySorry broQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI doubt he would fight Molina. He saw the trouble Kirkland had with him. Cotto would have the same problem. Cotto should fight Angulo and see if he can be relevant again to AlvarezQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI hope not, nothing against Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I really want Molina to get the opportunity...
I meant Molina gets the opportunity against Bundrage
Was meaning Molina/ Smith (not sure why I typed Bundrage)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBundrage would of been better. Cuz Molina-Smith has terrible fight written all over itQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxySorry broQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI doubt he would fight Molina. He saw the trouble Kirkland had with him. Cotto would have the same problem. Cotto should fight Angulo and see if he can be relevant again to AlvarezQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI hope not, nothing against Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I really want Molina to get the opportunity...
I meant Molina gets the opportunity against Bundrage
Agreed but Molina has been screwed over so many times he deserves this
Easy win for Molina imo
Cotto doesn't have the chin to hang with Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by jahmez
Cotto would get battered by Canelo if they were to fight today..
He might even quit and get on his knees in front of a Mexican just like he did before..
Canelo would beat the dogshit outa him.
If Cotto fought Alvarez today he'd still be the toughest opposition Canelo has fought to this point
Canelo has been a work in progress, improving every fight, I have been impressed with his development
But he has fought no one of note
The scary thing is (& no Canelo fan has responded to my question in the other threads) he has never fought a significant southpaw, let alone a significant opponent
Trout is a lefty with excellent movement, creates distance & has a jab that control a fight
Does the fact that Canelo hasn't fought any good southpaws worry his fan?
Get a grip. There is nothing Alvarez has done to suggest that he beats the shit out of Cotto albeit a weaker version. He has not even fought 1 legitimate jr middleweight unless you consider that fiasco with Rhodes legit. Lets see how he deals with Trout. And people call Broner a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I cant even comment on the quitting on his knees comment as its so ridiculous.
Cotto has said he wants to come back and fight in November(round about time). IMO, he is letting the loser of Canelo vs Trout know, he's next. That's if the winner is Canelo and he gets the Mayweather fight. His other option is to bait Ishe Smith with big money to fight for the IBF title.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitGet a grip. There is nothing Alvarez has done to suggest that he beats the shit out of Cotto albeit a weaker version. He has not even fought 1 legitimate jr middleweight unless you consider that fiasco with Rhodes legit. Lets see how he deals with Trout. And people call Broner a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I cant even comment on the quitting on his knees comment as its so ridiculous.
Cotto will go for one of the alphabet titles then try and lure Saul into a big money fight.
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Originally Posted by IamInuitGet a grip. There is nothing Alvarez has done to suggest that he beats the shit out of Cotto albeit a weaker version. He has not even fought 1 legitimate jr middleweight unless you consider that fiasco with Rhodes legit. Lets see how he deals with Trout. And people call Broner a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I cant even comment on the quitting on his knees comment as its so ridiculous.
I'll comment on it for you.
This guy has been pushing this agenda since Day One. Never mind that Cotto has been the ultimate warrior and has ducked no one. Never mind that he was obviously getting hammered by plaster cast wraps. This is the type of fan who could give a shit whether a fighter gets killed in the ring, even by illegal methods. It's obvious he's never stepped on a ring himself. Ignorance personified.
Cotto's not really a legitimate Jr. Middle either. He's also badly faded and has a suspect chin. I am far from a fan of Alvarez, but I think he beats Cotto. He`s just too big and too strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitGet a grip. There is nothing Alvarez has done to suggest that he beats the shit out of Cotto albeit a weaker version. He has not even fought 1 legitimate jr middleweight unless you consider that fiasco with Rhodes legit. Lets see how he deals with Trout. And people call Broner a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I cant even comment on the quitting on his knees comment as its so ridiculous.
Although Cotto has fought some big names, that doesn't necessarily make him an " Ultimate Warrior " .. lol It's more about how one handles themselves in the heat of battle that defines who they really are..Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitGet a grip. There is nothing Alvarez has done to suggest that he beats the shit out of Cotto albeit a weaker version. He has not even fought 1 legitimate jr middleweight unless you consider that fiasco with Rhodes legit. Lets see how he deals with Trout. And people call Broner a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I cant even comment on the quitting on his knees comment as its so ridiculous.
I'll comment on it for you.
This guy has been pushing this agenda since Day One. Never mind that Cotto has been the ultimate warrior and has ducked no one. Never mind that he was obviously getting hammered by plaster cast wraps. This is the type of fan who could give a shit whether a fighter gets killed in the ring, even by illegal methods. It's obvious he's never stepped on a ring himself. Ignorance personified.
The first time when i realized that Cotto wasn't a balls to the walls fighter was when he faced Lovmore Ndou in 04.. Ndou really pushed him in the late rounds and surprisingly, Cotto got on his bike and stopped fighting.. Ok, so that was his first test at 140 but the fact is,as soon as he met someone of similiar size, he wasn't so brave anymore..
After, there was a pattern in his fighting style because he kept doing it. Whenever things got heated , he'd continuously get on his bike ( against Mosley and some others i can't remember )...
What about against Zab? When he ate that thunderous uppercut and was on the verge of getting knocked out, what did he do?? He got desperate and resorted to LOW BLOWS which is cheating ( Tito Style ) ..
Cotto is a good boxer but he's certainly not an ultimate warrior like the Pacquiaos and the Marquez.. not even in the same stratosphere..
And u need to stop crying about the Margarito fight cuz there is no evidence of him being wrapped up against Cotto.. That's just the bitterness in you talking, Tito, and u are starting to sound like a sore loser and a bitter ex girlfriend.
Margarito owns Cotto.. Tell me im wrong.
There's a reason it's called the sweet science finito
As to the dirty tactics... great fighters find ways to win
Cotto retiring Margarito is paramount
There's a way to box without backtracking in your track shoes, Galaxy.. Watch Floyd, James Toney, or Marquez..
Cotto retired Margarito is the most asinine thing ive heard. lol whatever makes u feel better man.
Ultimately, Pacman retired Margarito by turning him into a one eyed jack..
Cotto just feasted on the leftover.. He fought a handicap and still fought scared and needed the ref/doctor's assistance to get himself a stoppage victory..
Did Antonio fight after Pac?
Has he fought after Cotto?
I'm not even a Cotto fan, these are just basic facts.
Sure Pac might have softened him up but Margarito should have never fought again after the plaster debacle imo
So imo Mosley's brutal KO should have really been the end of him!
Finito, you are wrong on this one. Cotto boxed superbly well and won the fight legitimately against Margarito the second time they fought.
With total respect and given where he is at last out, Cotto should not be thinking of Canelo. This will for sure be his last run at the top and in a year...less...more...whos to say Canelo will be the Golden goose he is tonight. One thing at a time. Even bigger Alvarez needs to keep Cottos name out of his mouth and be %100 focused on convincingly beating the man who spoiled his breakout payday in the first place in beating Cotto...Austin Trout!
Anyone else see a Cotto v Ishit Smith fight ??? Cotto needs a trinket...
Yeah possibly/ probablyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
But I want Carlos Molina to get a shot at Smith 1st
There's no doubting Canelo can punch but the only way I see him tagging Cotto consistently is if Cotto chooses to fight him from the outside. It's true what finito is saying, I've seen Cotto get on his bike and when he does he throws stingless combos and his lack of stamina caches up to him even quicker. That would be suicide against Canelo who would end up walking him down against the ropes or worse a corner and start beating the shit out of him. But I've seen strong, robotic guys like Canelo before, they've got power but only at full extension and if you smother them up close they're completely different. I don't see any inside game from Canelo either he just puts on the earmuffs and weathers the storm. Canelo has a beautiful pull back counter right that he throws over jabs but Cotto's jab is more cultured then anything he's seen before, he works behind it beautifully and I don't see Alvarez connecting with that right at full extension especially if Cotto doubles up on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHCotto doesn't have the chin to hang with Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by jahmez
I think Cotto vs JMM at 147 is a good options.
If Canelo don't get the Mayweather fight, Cotto is his best option if he defeat Trout. But we do have some 154ers that would give Canelo and Cotto a good fight
Augulo
Kirkland
Lara
Vanes Martirosyan
Molina
and Smith bringing up the rear
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaAlthough Cotto has fought some big names, that doesn't necessarily make him an " Ultimate Warrior " .. lol It's more about how one handles themselves in the heat of battle that defines who they really are..Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitGet a grip. There is nothing Alvarez has done to suggest that he beats the shit out of Cotto albeit a weaker version. He has not even fought 1 legitimate jr middleweight unless you consider that fiasco with Rhodes legit. Lets see how he deals with Trout. And people call Broner a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I cant even comment on the quitting on his knees comment as its so ridiculous.
I'll comment on it for you.
This guy has been pushing this agenda since Day One. Never mind that Cotto has been the ultimate warrior and has ducked no one. Never mind that he was obviously getting hammered by plaster cast wraps. This is the type of fan who could give a shit whether a fighter gets killed in the ring, even by illegal methods. It's obvious he's never stepped on a ring himself. Ignorance personified.
The first time when i realized that Cotto wasn't a balls to the walls fighter was when he faced Lovmore Ndou in 04.. Ndou really pushed him in the late rounds and surprisingly, Cotto got on his bike and stopped fighting.. Ok, so that was his first test at 140 but the fact is,as soon as he met someone of similiar size, he wasn't so brave anymore..
After, there was a pattern in his fighting style because he kept doing it. Whenever things got heated , he'd continuously get on his bike ( against Mosley and some others i can't remember )...
What about against Zab? When he ate that thunderous uppercut and was on the verge of getting knocked out, what did he do?? He got desperate and resorted to LOW BLOWS which is cheating ( Tito Style ) ..
Cotto is a good boxer but he's certainly not an ultimate warrior like the Pacquiaos and the Marquez.. not even in the same stratosphere..
And u need to stop crying about the Margarito fight cuz there is no evidence of him being wrapped up against Cotto.. That's just the bitterness in you talking, Tito, and u are starting to sound like a sore loser and a bitter ex girlfriend.
Margarito owns Cotto.. Tell me im wrong.
You've already been proven wrong by several good, unbiased posters..... but I'll add some additional facts for you.
"It's more about how one handles themselves in the heat of battle that defines who they really are.."
"After, there was a pattern in his fighting style because he kept doing it. Whenever things got heated , he'd continuously get on his bike"
A couple of your valuable quotes above. Obviously, you never saw the Ricardo Torres fight. Where Cotto gets knocked down severely.... only to get back up and knock the hard-punching Torres out himself in spectacular fashion. Obviously you never saw the Corley fight, where Corley tagged Cotto and put him on the verge of being knocked out.... only to have Cotto survive the onslaught and come back to knock out Corley. Obviously you never saw the Randall Bailey fight, one of many fights that Cotto has had against respected and even feared opponents throughout his whole career. Obviously, you don't know shit about Cotto's career, and are just a hater posing as a real boxing fan. A man, who every knowledgeable boxing acknowledges as a warrior, decides to not take plaster cast punches any longer to save his life, health, and career..... and you berate him for being a quitter. And yet your precious Golden Boy sits in his stool after failing to conquer the little man he had picked out to finish his legacy..... and that goes unmentioned. You and your fellow ignorant haters can just go to hell.
You see.... this is where I lump you in with the likes of Violent Demise. You have several things in common:
1. An unexplainable hate against Puerto Rican fighters.
2. An unexplainable penchant for going down the effeminate path (too much talk about sucking dick, or being like a bitter ex-girlfriend). This reeks of unresolved sexual identity issues, but that's another matter easily handled by a professional.
3. A knack for making ridiculous pronouncements without backing them up.
I'll debate Cotto or any other P.R. fighter with people with boxing knowledge and at least an ounce of unbias and at least some credibility. That alone would leave you and VD out of the equation.
Totally agree. Molina is well overdue and I think he beats Smith. But on mass that may be a hard one to sell. Maybe if Cotto gets Smiths trinket we'll see Molina with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYeah possibly/ probablyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
But I want Carlos Molina to get a shot at Smith 1st
Unfortunatly I think Cotto will be stripped to the bone on name and respectively he didn't sound or look like a guy who had a whole lot left in the tank in losing to Trout.
This just shows how much of a Cotto groupie you are. The way you bend the truth and try and pass it off for more than it is, is just sad and pathetic. Cotto did not knock out Corley. That fight was unjustly stopped by the Puerto Rican ref after Corley took a knee without being hit. Corley was still very much in that fightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanObviously you never saw the Corley fight, where Corley tagged Cotto and put him on the verge of being knocked out.... only to have Cotto survive the onslaught and come back to knock out Corley.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaAlthough Cotto has fought some big names, that doesn't necessarily make him an " Ultimate Warrior " .. lol It's more about how one handles themselves in the heat of battle that defines who they really are..Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitGet a grip. There is nothing Alvarez has done to suggest that he beats the shit out of Cotto albeit a weaker version. He has not even fought 1 legitimate jr middleweight unless you consider that fiasco with Rhodes legit. Lets see how he deals with Trout. And people call Broner a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I cant even comment on the quitting on his knees comment as its so ridiculous.
I'll comment on it for you.
This guy has been pushing this agenda since Day One. Never mind that Cotto has been the ultimate warrior and has ducked no one. Never mind that he was obviously getting hammered by plaster cast wraps. This is the type of fan who could give a shit whether a fighter gets killed in the ring, even by illegal methods. It's obvious he's never stepped on a ring himself. Ignorance personified.
The first time when i realized that Cotto wasn't a balls to the walls fighter was when he faced Lovmore Ndou in 04.. Ndou really pushed him in the late rounds and surprisingly, Cotto got on his bike and stopped fighting.. Ok, so that was his first test at 140 but the fact is,as soon as he met someone of similiar size, he wasn't so brave anymore..
After, there was a pattern in his fighting style because he kept doing it. Whenever things got heated , he'd continuously get on his bike ( against Mosley and some others i can't remember )...
What about against Zab? When he ate that thunderous uppercut and was on the verge of getting knocked out, what did he do?? He got desperate and resorted to LOW BLOWS which is cheating ( Tito Style ) ..
Cotto is a good boxer but he's certainly not an ultimate warrior like the Pacquiaos and the Marquez.. not even in the same stratosphere..
And u need to stop crying about the Margarito fight cuz there is no evidence of him being wrapped up against Cotto.. That's just the bitterness in you talking, Tito, and u are starting to sound like a sore loser and a bitter ex girlfriend.
Margarito owns Cotto.. Tell me im wrong.