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Originally Posted by ross
He was holding them for a friend... ;D
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Originally Posted by ross
He was holding them for a friend... ;D
He actually is quoted as saying he bought them for his dad!:scratchchin:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
He was holding them for a friend... ;D
Holyfield is a cheat and a joke and its frustrating to see morons disregard the evidence against him (tiny bollocks, lack of testosterone, heart problems, being caught red handed paying for them etc) and continue to rank him higher than he deserves. Lance armstrong got stripped of his titles, why nt Holyfield and every other dirty fucking cheat?
I think that aura and mystique is exatlly what helped get Mike beat up by Buster Douglas. That, Don King and a hot water bottle. The greatness and place in history was better placed around the outcome of a match with number 1 ranked Holyfield the first time around and its a shame they cancelled the second signed date and missed a chance for definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I really think alot of Mike being a number 1 p4p had as much to do with his speed and Heavyweight concussive endings as it did being a household name and benifiting from massive exposure like no other fighter then. Again, its comes down to what we interpreate it as. Opposition? Longevity? Actual skillset?Douglas was a solid package that night but to see him make Rings #6 p4p doesn't say much for whole thing, beating a p4p doesn't make you an actual p4p type fighter. Not to mention Tyson still being 7th even after being thumped and then 5th p4p even after the Ruddock fights speaks to more of the popularity push imo while at the same time his skills were starting to show big cracks. He was living on yesterdays.
To be honest, I'd be shocked if Mike wasn't using at some point, but he never got busted like Holyfield did so whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Do not tarnish all fighters with the same brush. Tyson was probably taking marijuana than PED.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerTo be honest, I'd be shocked if Mike wasn't using at some point, but he never got busted like Holyfield did so whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I'm not tarnishing anyone, but the fact is if you were a world class athlete from 1980s onward, you are a suspect for PED use. Lance Armstrong blew the doors off it, EVERYONE is a suspect to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
That is just silly logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI'm not tarnishing anyone, but the fact is if you were a world class athlete from 1980s onward, you are a suspect for PED use. Lance Armstrong blew the doors off it, EVERYONE is a suspect to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why? Is it more logical to believe that EVERYONE who uses PED's gets caught?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You have to assume innocent until proven guilty otherwise you just cannot follow the sport you love without any conviction.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWhy? Is it more logical to believe that EVERYONE who uses PED's gets caught?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I can't assume innocent until proven guilty because it's too easy to get away with it, and I'm not niave enough to believe that these guys are all good little boy scouts who wouldn't dream of cheating. It's just not realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I know Holyfield used steroids and I don't think it made him any less of a warrior, or any less skilled of a boxer.
Of course it did!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI can't assume innocent until proven guilty because it's too easy to get away with it, and I'm not niave enough to believe that these guys are all good little boy scouts who wouldn't dream of cheating. It's just not realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I know Holyfield used steroids and I don't think it made him any less of a warrior, or any less skilled of a boxer.
He wasnt confident enough to go in there without an edge.
How tough is someone who takes a knife to a fist fight? Thats what Holyfield was doing, taking an unatural edge. Cheating is cheating.
Without that edge those lesser fighters like Bert Cooper wouldnt have just hurt him theyd have finished him and he wouldnt have had much of a heavyweight career at all.
I think it's very safe (and proven) that Mike Tyson was using any and all kinds of recreational drugs (mainly marijuana and cocaine) but what fighter doesn't use those? I'm not saying they ALL use those, but it's fairly prevelant, hell JC Jr got busted for pot in his last fight (paid through the nose too).
As for Steroids & HGH, I don't know...I think if he had used those drugs he would have said so already, because it's not like they could put him in jail for it as he hasn't lied to Congress or a Grand Jury, plus Mike is a fairly honest person...when you're asked "What's the hardest you've ever hit someone?" and the answer that jumps out is "Robin Givens" I believe he would have spilled the beans by now.
Well, admitting he acted a like a scumbag is one thing, but admitting to steroid use would tarnish the one thing he actually has left from his younger days.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
PEDs enhance your performance for sure, but they don't make getting punched hurt less, they don't give you the ability to take a punch better on the chin (history suggests this), and I'm not convinced that it increases punching power to any signficant degree. Stephan Bonner of the UFC was juiced to the gills when he fought Anderson Silva. Anderson put his hands down and let Stephan punch him, and then laughed at him. PED's don't turn you into Earnie Shavers all of a sudden. And obviously they don't teach you how to fight.
Even if he said it was in his post prison days would it tarnish what he accomplished? Tommy Morrison used steroids...didn't seem to help him all that much. The point of steroid use is to work out & recover faster thereby allowing you to work out longer, harder, and more often.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell, admitting he acted a like a scumbag is one thing, but admitting to steroid use would tarnish the one thing he actually has left from his younger days.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
PEDs enhance your performance for sure, but they don't make getting punched hurt less, they don't give you the ability to take a punch better on the chin (history suggests this), and I'm not convinced that it increases punching power to any signficant degree. Stephan Bonner of the UFC was juiced to the gills when he fought Anderson Silva. Anderson put his hands down and let Stephan punch him, and then laughed at him. PED's don't turn you into Earnie Shavers all of a sudden. And obviously they don't teach you how to fight.
I just think Mike is open enough these days to admit if he did something, besides he's bipolar so odds are we would have heard of it by now had it happened. In some crazed manic state Tyson may have off handedly joked about steroids or in a deeply depressed state confided to a friend about steroids and we all know Mike had no friends that would have kept that under their hat, they would have sold him out for 2 bits if they could have got away with it.