Re: Darren barker, yes or no?
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Depends who he fights. If he fight Qillin or Golovkin, I think he'll come up short. If he fights Geale, I think he'll win a world title. Really don't buy into Geale at all.
Geale is a very good fighter, doesn't do anything special but very well rounded
Winning 2 trinkets in Germany is no easy feat...
I agree, I just don't think he is all that. Sturm was a decent boxer, but ran from good fights and lost a few title fights only to be awarded gift decisions. Sylvester wasn't world class. Good wins, but not great wins, and I think Barker would beat both. Geale is a decent boxer but I think Barker will walk through him if they fought. Barker is an excellent boxer too so I just don't see Geale causing Barker problems.
Re: Darren barker, yes or no?
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Quillan beats Barker.
Barker exposes Quillan as being more of a Milky Bar kid than a Kid Chocolate. Cracks him like a kinder egg with no surprise gift needed.
Hah, Quillin KO's Barker faster than Martinez did!
:) from this anyone who hadnt seen or heard about the fight would assume that barker was easy for martinez and he did a number on him in double quick time
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Will Eddie Hearn take a
Barker now has an IBF intercontinental belt. Hearn is doing business with the IBF with Brook and Froch so he may be going that route for Barker. Geale is the IBF champ. He's already foguth in Germany and he'll fight in Britain if the cheque is right. So will Hearn come up with the readies, and if Barker wins will Hearn put him in with legitimate contenders and make unification fights or will he cash in on Barker as best he can?
I'm genuinely unsure how many tickets Barker sells. Up until last Saturday it looks like his recent fights were in a 4000 capacity arena. Then he lost to Martinez. I'm not sure there's serious money potential there.
If Brook loses to Alexander and Frampton loses to Quigg how many tickets will they sell when their bubbles have burst?
Quigg wants nothin to do with Frampton. That appears obvious an I can't see them fighting for a long time as it benefits neither. Looks like Frampton coul fight Romero for a world title in Belfast so goo chance Frampton could be a world champ soon. If Brook beats Alexander it opens huge payday opportunities for him in US and England.
Frampton's weightclass doesn't generally see big money fights and there'll always be a belt he can get a home fight for for not much money. Brook would have had a much better chance of beating Alexander by fighting at home but Hearn either doesn't have a lot of faith in him or is operating on a budget that precludes him making a purse bid big enough to get Brook the fight at home. Or he thinks he can't lose to Alexander in front of three US judges and an American crowd.
I don't think Devon Alexander has ever sold 10 000 tickets for one of his fights, unlike Brook, but Alexander's promoter still managed to outbid Hearn and get the fight in the US. I think Hearn did a great job building Brook into a fighter who can sell that many tickets but then he goes and risks the whole thing by being outbid for the Alexander fight. If Brook loses, which is eminently possible, what happens to Brook then? Try and get the 10 000 bandwagon back and then another title shot, but then Hearn has to put the money up to get the champion to the UK or Brook goes abroad again. I don't understand Hearn's thinking at all.
Re: Darren barker, yes or no?
I never had you pegged down as a cynic @Kirkland Laing. Eddie obviously has more faith in Brook than a lot of other promoters would and trusts him to give a good enough account of himself in the US to make it worth the gamble. There was probably no way that Alexander was going to come over here, like most American Boxers the fact that some British fighters might just be able to draw a bigger crowd seems to be irrelevant to them.
Barker you could argue actually improved his reputation despite losing to Martinez and certainly increased his exposure and chances in future of fighting for a belt. Frampton will get his chance too, shortly after rebuilding once Quigg beats him.;D
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Depends who he fights. If he fight Qillin or Golovkin, I think he'll come up short. If he fights Geale, I think he'll win a world title. Really don't buy into Geale at all.
Geale is a very good fighter, doesn't do anything special but very well rounded
Winning 2 trinkets in Germany is no easy feat...
I agree, I just don't think he is all that. Sturm was a decent boxer, but ran from good fights and lost a few title fights only to be awarded gift decisions. Sylvester wasn't world class. Good wins, but not great wins, and I think Barker would beat both. Geale is a decent boxer but I think Barker will walk through him if they fought. Barker is an excellent boxer too so I just don't see Geale causing Barker problems.
I see it as a pretty even fight, but Geale just seems a slightly better fighter imo
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Quillan beats Barker.
Barker exposes Quillan as being more of a Milky Bar kid than a Kid Chocolate. Cracks him like a kinder egg with no surprise gift needed.
Hah, Quillin KO's Barker faster than Martinez did!
:) from this anyone who hadnt seen or heard about the fight would assume that barker was easy for martinez and he did a number on him in double quick time
Barker was ahead early but at no time did Martinez look in trouble, Martinez was busting Barker up down the stretch. That's why there called the championship rounds! Barker was starting to take a beating those last couple of rounds...
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I'd rather bet money on Bob Barker.
Re: Darren barker, yes or no?
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I never had you pegged down as a cynic @
Kirkland Laing. Eddie obviously has more faith in Brook than a lot of other promoters would and trusts him to give a good enough account of himself in the US to make it worth the gamble. There was probably no way that Alexander was going to come over here, like most American Boxers the fact that some British fighters might just be able to draw a bigger crowd seems to be irrelevant to them.
Barker you could argue actually improved his reputation despite losing to Martinez and certainly increased his exposure and chances in future of fighting for a belt. Frampton will get his chance too, shortly after rebuilding once Quigg beats him.;D
It's easy to get Alexander on a plane to England. You let the fight negotiations go to purse bids and then bid more than the other guy. Then the other guy has to vacate or get on a plane.
Barker's chances of fighting for a belt are down to how much money Hearn is willing to back him with. He simply pays the IBF a fee to get Barker ranked in the top ten (like Gary Shaw was recently caught doing) and then offers Geale enough money to fight Barker, or he gets Barker made number one challenger and then lets the fight go to purse bids........
Let's see how much money Hearn puts into getting Barker a world title shot or whether he keeps on fighting euro-level opponents. Barker is 30 and has already fought for a world title so he doesn't need any more time to develop, he needs a top contender or two at home to see if he can sell more tickets and then if it's viable economically Hearn needs to get him a title fight.
Re: Darren barker, yes or no?
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Let's see how much money Hearn puts into getting Barker a world title shot or whether he keeps on fighting euro-level opponents. Barker is 30 and has already fought for a world title so he doesn't need any more time to develop, he needs a top contender or two at home to see if he can sell more tickets and then if it's viable economically Hearn needs to get him a title fight.
I don't think the Euro level opponents has anything to do with development and it has more to do with trying to get the ring rust off after yet another period spent on the treatment table. Hearn is right in that Barker needs a consistant run of fights before a title challenge. His level could go up a notch now though.
