Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread

People here seem pretty clueless about how much skills transfer from Amateur to pro boxing, hence why most of the best ever pros have had good amateur careers. Considering that Rigondeaux is in my opinion the best amateur boxer ever I think he will give anyone in the pros a good fight.

Im picking Donaire to win this by KO but I would not be suprised if Rigo won. He is the best counter puncher i have seen in a long time and if he connects a few big shots early Donaire could start getting scared to throw.

Another thing i find strange with comments here is talking of level of opponents. Donaire hasnt fought that many brilliant fighters. Arce, Nishioka, Mathubela, Montiel are all good fighters but none i would consider great. Vasquez just got beaten by an unknown Jap who had heart but was nothing special. I think Rigo would beat any of these fighters too.

I dont care who wins and just hope its a great fight

The way Donaire has beaten his opponents and fighting so frequently I think he is the best fighter 2012.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I'm surprised that so many are picking Donaire over Rigo. I'm not so sure. I favor Donaire based on experience and flash, but I have to wonder, would Rigo have lost to any of the guys Donaire beat?

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I'm gonna turn this around and ask another question. Has Rigo fought even 1/10th the quality and "who's who" of opponents Donaire has faced and beaten.... as a pro? IMO, the answer is "no". I'm all up for seeing a good fight, which I'm sure we will. But having an 11-fight pro billed as an overnight sensation and a threat to someone arguably in the top 3 current p4p rankings, is slightly odd.

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Ahhh the good ole quantity vs quality question. Well lets begin with the fact that Donaire has pretty much been the much bigger man in his fights even though on paper it was he who was moving up.
You can go as far back as Sydorenko. It looked like he was fighting some grade 6 kid. Now I agree that the amateurs and pro are almost like two different sports and that the pedigree gained from it does not as a rule translate to the pros but sometimes it does. In addition it may be that a guy like Rigo has brought some bad habits with him from the amateurs however after some 400 fights I think its fair to say that he has seen a litany of different styles. Rigo has been waiting for this moment since he left Cuba and unlike some other Cubans he seems to have a sense or urgency. And who can blame him. Manny, Donaire, Gamboa and other stablemates from Top Rank have taken most of the attention. Rigo views this as his time and Donaire to me seems like he's been coasting and getting a little high on his fame. I'd be very surprised if this was a blow out but do I think it will end dramatically.

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Originally Posted by Master

Just found out this is on Box Nation Rigondeaux is good but Donaire is better.

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@Master - You lot across the pond should check this one out live, I believe it would worth it.

cheers

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Master

Just found out this is on Box Nation Rigondeaux is good but Donaire is better.

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@Master - You lot across the pond should check this one out live, I believe it would worth it.

cheers

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I will now that I know it is on, looked at the under card and it looks good.

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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

People here seem pretty clueless about how much skills transfer from Amateur to pro boxing, hence why most of the best ever pros have had good amateur careers. Considering that Rigondeaux is in my opinion the best amateur boxer ever I think he will give anyone in the pros a good fight.

Im picking Donaire to win this by KO but I would not be suprised if Rigo won. He is the best counter puncher i have seen in a long time and if he connects a few big shots early Donaire could start getting scared to throw.

Another thing i find strange with comments here is talking of level of opponents. Donaire hasnt fought that many brilliant fighters. Arce, Nishioka, Mathubela, Montiel are all good fighters but none i would consider great. Vasquez just got beaten by an unknown Jap who had heart but was nothing special. I think Rigo would beat any of these fighters too.

I dont care who wins and just hope its a great fight

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@Silkeyjoe -Right, just in case Rigon wins, that way you won't have to eat as much crow. :rolleyes:

An American from Texas walks into a bar in Ireland, he spots a beautiful girl setting at a table, goes over and introduces himself, and offers to buy her a pint. She accepts the offer and the Texan exclaims: You must be Irish, because my penis is Dublin.

You know what @Mars_ax and @TitoFan, I guess my take on this fight is that it is the classic high-risk, low reward type of fight for Donaire. He should get credit for the taking the fight regardless of the outcome. The risk here is that Rigo's success in the amateur ranks translates into success in the pro ranks, that he knows how to neutralize Donaire's left hook, and from that he can beat Donaire. The reward is low because there are Rigo-Skeptics, like you two, who if Donaire wins, will question the quality of the win.

Now, before you argue that Rigo wasn't chopped liver if Donaire ices him in the middle rounds with big left hook, need I remind you that there was a sizable contingency of Rigo-cult fans in the boxing community a few months ago. They felt that Donaire was ducking Rigo by taking on every other notable junior featherweight, other than Rigo.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Raw Speed? I don't think so, they don't call Donaire "the Filipino flash" for nothing. As for Rigon's boxing skills being on a paar with Donaire's, you've got to be kidding, how could you know that? Rigon has only had 11 pro fights against mediocre competition, there's a big difference in amateur boxing skills and those that you need as a pro.

@IamInuit -Are you picking Rigon to win?

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Oh it's a speed thing? I always assumed he was a renowned pervert back in the Phillippines.

I'm picking Donaire by KO/TKO. I can't see Rigo coping with someone who can explode with punches like Donaire.

I kinda see it going something like this:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvo90gclSOg

Though I picked Rigo as a winner and absolutely no knock on the loser in this fight, I wont be touching the betting pool with a 10 feet pole on this fight. I'll just enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

You know what @Mars_ax and @TitoFan , I guess my take on this fight is that it is the classic high-risk, low reward type of fight for Donaire. He should get credit for the taking the fight regardless of the outcome. The risk here is that Rigo's success in the amateur ranks translates into success in the pro ranks, that he knows how to neutralize Donaire's left hook, and from that he can beat Donaire. The reward is low because there are Rigo-Skeptics, like you two, who if Donaire wins, will question the quality of the win.

Now, before you argue that Rigo wasn't chopped liver if Donaire ices him in the middle rounds with big left hook, need I remind you that there was a sizable contingency of Rigo-cult fans in the boxing community a few months ago. They felt that Donaire was ducking Rigo by taking on every other notable junior featherweight, other than Rigo.

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@Rantcatrat , you're absolutely correct on the high-risk, low-reward description of the fight. But to clarify... it's more of a case of me giving Donaire more credit than some people are giving him, than of me dissing Rigo. Rigo admittedly has vast amounts of amateur experience. And I've mentioned how having someone like Pedro Diaz in his corner is a big plus.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

You know what @Mars_ax and @TitoFan, I guess my take on this fight is that it is the classic high-risk, low reward type of fight for Donaire. He should get credit for the taking the fight regardless of the outcome. The risk here is that Rigo's success in the amateur ranks translates into success in the pro ranks, that he knows how to neutralize Donaire's left hook, and from that he can beat Donaire. The reward is low because there are Rigo-Skeptics, like you two, who if Donaire wins, will question the quality of the win.

Now, before you argue that Rigo wasn't chopped liver if Donaire ices him in the middle rounds with big left hook, need I remind you that there was a sizable contingency of Rigo-cult fans in the boxing community a few months ago. They felt that Donaire was ducking Rigo by taking on every other notable junior featherweight, other than Rigo.

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@Rantcatrat,
The bottom line: Is Rigon as good as a lot of his fans think he is? I believe in a lot of ways he is, but not when it comes to Donaire, who's a level above him.

Donaire could spark Rigondeaux out but somehow, I feel like the Cuban Prodigy will be able to dance around Donaire all night and get away with an upset UD.

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Originally Posted by Nameless

Donaire could spark Rigondeaux out but somehow, I feel like the Cuban Prodigy will be able to dance around Donaire all night and get away with an upset UD.

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I have a feeling hell have to win clearly to get a decision. If he dances around I'd fear judges would score for Donaire for being the come forward aggressive fighter despite not landing as much.

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Originally Posted by Nameless

Donaire could spark Rigondeaux out but somehow, I feel like the Cuban Prodigy will be able to dance around Donaire all night and get away with an upset UD.

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Cant see that. Rigo likes to mix it up himself which could amount to his undoing. I think he really wants to prove something and its a perfect platform to take the spot light away from the other super stars.

Just don't see this going to the cards.

What are the current odds on this bad boy?

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

What are the current odds on this bad boy?

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Uk bookies bets prices are 4/9 Donaire, 12/5 Rigo and 25/1 the draw. 2/1 Donaire KO, 8/5 Donaire points, 18/5 Rigo points and 13/2 Rigo KO. 4/6 fight to go distance and 6/5 not to go

:pimp2: The HBO card starts Saturday night @11:00 PM ET here in North America, and @4:00 AM Sunday in the UK/Europe, you foreigners need to set your alarms and check this one out. :britain: 8)

April 13
At New York (HBO): Nonito Donaire vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux, 12 rounds, WBO/WBA junior featherweight title unification; Sean Monaghan vs. Dion "Rex" Stanley, 8 rounds, light heavyweights; Mikael Zewski vs. Daniel Sostre, 8 rounds, welterweights.

cheers!
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HBO: 24-7 Road to Donaire-Rigondeaux:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTEX8vij_L0

Rigondeaux deserves a beating for wearing that red leather jacket he had on at the press conference the other day. He looked like a refugee from a Michael Jackson concert in the mid eighties. What was he thinking?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Rigondeaux deserves a beating for wearing that red leather jacket he had on at the press conference the other day. He looked like a refugee from a Michael Jackson concert in the mid eighties. What was he thinking?

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Just showing his commie colors, who knows, I can see Rigon doing just about anything (dirty) to try and win this fight, but I believe Nonito is going to wax his Cuban ass, no matter what he tries.

Great fight for us hardcore fans Saturday night, i'm really looking forward to it.

cheers

Gentlemen and Fellow Donaire Fans - does anyone have any concern that Donaire will lose a number of rounds as a result of his recent tendency to wait while loading up on the big shot? It seems like he is looking to land the "bolo" punch for rounds at at time. And how about the jab? He didn't throw many in his last fight. Is it necessary for a win?

Unfortunately, I might have to catch this on replay as I have a wedding Saturday night. :eek: We'll see. Please no spoiler thread titles.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Gentlemen and Fellow Donaire Fans - does anyone have any concern that Donaire will lose a number of rounds as a result of his recent tendency to wait while loading up on the big shot? It seems like he is looking to land the "bolo" punch for rounds at at time. And how about the jab? He didn't throw many in his last fight. Is it necessary for a win?

Unfortunately, I might have to catch this on replay as I have a wedding Saturday night. :eek: We'll see. Please no spoiler thread titles.

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Rigondeaux waits LONGER.... Donaire is a harder hitting counter-puncher to boot. So even if he waits for a shot on the counter, his impact will be more than Rigon's incoming. At least what the theory is.

I am soo looking forward to this fight. I am seriously tempted to bet on Rig but the fact he has never been in the ring with anyone near Donaires level is making me think long and hard. I just really have that feeling in my gut he is going to spring the upset though. This is a real potential FOTY IMO I just hope it lives upto its potential.

I will probably have a few quid on Rig @7/4, he is one of the best I have seen as far as Cuban defectors go but to leapfrog the likes of Casamayor he needs to fight and beat a few guys of elite level and what a place to start Donaire would be.

Its a shame these guys are not more famous because this fight deserves to be classed as a mega fight.

Forget you all, Donaire will batter Rigondeaux.

I promised myself I wouldn't do it but god damn it, I placed $200 on The Jackal.

First of all I think it's one of the hardest fights to pick...
The only differences are the jaw (Nonito is better) and professional experience (Nonito has more). With that being said I say Nonito ...
I believe that his experience will make the difference.
Rigondeaux has technique but on a professional level its different.
There has been several amateurs who have been well decorated and climb into the ring with someone who has the same abilities and skills but the experience prevails. I also think that at some point they will trade shots and I feel Nonito is more willing to trade shots as opposed to Rigondeaux whom I think will slide under or move to the side and wont trade blows. I think Nonito will get the TKO win when he's on the ropes and Rigondeaux is coming in, Nonito will catch him just then.

Weigh-in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15220rhrydY

What time is the main event in the UK??

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

I promised myself I wouldn't do it but god damn it, I placed $200 on The Jackal.

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon;1146513[B

]What time is the main event in the UK?[/B]?

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@Tam Seddon I always tell you lot in my fight/chat threads, like this one, but the main event should start @4:00 AM Sunday morning in the UK/Europe. :pimp2:

cheers

:hypnodisk: Just another reminder, the HBO card starts tonight @11:00 PM ET here in North America, and @4:00 AM Sunday in the UK/Europe, you foreigners need to set your alarms and check this one out.

April 13
At New York (HBO): Nonito Donaire vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux, 12 rounds, WBO/WBA junior featherweight title unification; Sean Monaghan vs. Dion "Rex" Stanley, 8 rounds, light heavyweights; Mikael Zewski vs. Daniel Sostre, 8 rounds, welterweights.

Man, I am pumped up for this one, can't wait. :lyle::happy0931sb4:

I am looking forward to this one too, I think Donaire is in for a tough fight but he is more than capable of winning this one. I hope we have fireworks and I am picking Donaire to wins by stoppage.

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

I promised myself I wouldn't do it but god damn it, I placed $200 on The Jackal.

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Haha I did the same thing, what odds did you get?

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon;1146513[B

]What time is the main event in the UK?[/B]?

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@Tam Seddon I always tell you lot in my fight/chat threads, like this one, but the main event should start @4:00 AM Sunday morning in the UK/Europe. :pimp2:

cheers

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It is a case of staying up, getting up at the right time or watch the repeat in the morning. I am undecided yet. :)

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Rigondeaux deserves a beating for wearing that red leather jacket he had on at the press conference the other day. He looked like a refugee from a Michael Jackson concert in the mid eighties. What was he thinking?

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That he liked it?

This is such a boring weekend of boxing apart from the main event, I have been bored this weekend without the prediction contest and the lack of fights

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Weigh-in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15220rhrydY

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HA :D you see Nonito drop his knees so he could look into Rigos eyes at his level and then smiled and winked :).
I think he is much more at ease/confidant than Rigo. Rigo looked like he was acting the part but had reservations.

I hope Donaire is over confidant and takes a risk and Rigo really rocks him and makes it a great fight ...we live in hope :cool:

Hell has froze over. The late starts have me catching the Ultimate Fighter finale on FX

Meisha Tate v Cat zingano! Mmmm ;D

Wow that was a fast first fight! You could see that coming, dude fights with power and control!

Could be an early night all round too, dont blink they might run out of fighters.