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Jeez, canelo cant even ko a game matthew hatton and has tko like ryan rhodes on his resume and everyone is trying to turn him into another pac man.
Timothey bradley has fought much better opponents than canelo and has all the heart in the world, he deserves the payday not canelo.
Some people hate Floyd so much and want him to lose so bad that almost anything is viewed as fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
The hate for floyd must make him the most hated boxer of all time.(excluding luis resto)
How anybody can not appreciate what he does between the ropes must have blinkers on.
Maybe cuz Andre Ward hasn't been cleared by doctors to even train let alone fight. And only a fool would think Alvarez-Ward would make as much as Alvarez-MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
You seriously think Alvarez should come down to 147? A weight he hasn't fought in, in over 3 years and a weight his body won't even let him make?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitSome people hate Floyd so much and want him to lose so bad that almost anything is viewed as fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
At least roy jones had the balls to loose 25lbs in muscle to drop down and whoop tarvers ass...
No I don't VD and I don't expect Floyd to go to 154 for this fight whether he has a trinket or not. What they should do is just put the straps aside and meet at 150. That way they both give a little. This could also be a lot of posturing by Floyd as the talks for Alvarez/Cotto started before this announcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMaybe cuz Andre Ward hasn't been cleared by doctors to even train let alone fight. And only a fool would think Alvarez-Ward would make as much as Alvarez-MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
You seriously think Alvarez should come down to 147? A weight he hasn't fought in, in over 3 years and a weight his body won't even let him make?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitSome people hate Floyd so much and want him to lose so bad that almost anything is viewed as fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Buddy WELCOME TO BOXING. If a boxer can meet weight the day before than everyone should stfu .. every boxer has a right to put on more pounds after the official weigh in. It's been this way since the sports inception. I don't get why people cry about a boxer packing on weight after the weigh in. Floyd does gains weight too so he should fight at 154 easy right thats around his walking weight? .... Floyd won the title at 154 vs Cotto and now he wants Canelo to come down to 147. Like Violent said.. this is an excuse to not fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Jones has gone on record as saying it was the biggest mistake he ever made and should of never done it. It ruined himQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Mayweather doesn't wanna a catch weight fight either. Alvarez-Cotto talks have started cuz Alvarez needs to fight. The worse thing he can do is just sit around waiting on Floyd. Based on what Mayweather has been saying it doesn't look like he's gonna fight Alvarez next. So moving to option B is the smart thing for Alvarez to do. If Mayweather were to show he was interested in fighting Alvarez next I guarantee you the talks with Cotto end.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNo I don't VD and I don't expect Floyd to go to 154 for this fight whether he has a trinket or not. What they should do is just put the straps aside and meet at 150. That way they both give a little. This could also be a lot of posturing by Floyd as the talks for Alvarez/Cotto started before this announcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMaybe cuz Andre Ward hasn't been cleared by doctors to even train let alone fight. And only a fool would think Alvarez-Ward would make as much as Alvarez-MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
You seriously think Alvarez should come down to 147? A weight he hasn't fought in, in over 3 years and a weight his body won't even let him make?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitSome people hate Floyd so much and want him to lose so bad that almost anything is viewed as fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I don't know what Mayweather wants. He's not a catch weight kind of guy and he already said he wants his first few fights at least under the new contract to be at 147. That is up to him. When I said do it at 150 w/o the gold that's what I would suggest for the impasse and not Floyds take. Cotto was at the Trout fight and the table was set. He [Alvarez] wanted Floyd to agree to fight him after Guerrero or he would not appear on the same card. Floyd has never signed to fight someone before his present fight was completed.Alvarez is in no position to demand Floyd go up whether its 154 or 151 hence the Mexican standoff that to be honest I'm not looking forward to. Its already starting to resemble the Manny/Floyd circus. If they fight great and if they don't oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMayweather doesn't wanna a catch weight fight either. Alvarez-Cotto talks have started cuz Alvarez needs to fight. The worse thing he can do is just sit around waiting on Floyd. Based on what Mayweather has been saying it doesn't look like he's gonna fight Alvarez next. So moving to option B is the smart thing for Alvarez to do. If Mayweather were to show he was interested in fighting Alvarez next I guarantee you the talks with Cotto end.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Of course floyd/canelo makes the most money but there are other options for him if he cant make the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMaybe cuz Andre Ward hasn't been cleared by doctors to even train let alone fight. And only a fool would think Alvarez-Ward would make as much as Alvarez-MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
You seriously think Alvarez should come down to 147? A weight he hasn't fought in, in over 3 years and a weight his body won't even let him make?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitSome people hate Floyd so much and want him to lose so bad that almost anything is viewed as fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Take your pick and fight someone you probably dont outweigh.
Golovkin
Martinez
Geale
Quillin
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
Pirog Soliman Sturm Macklin, and Murray
VD, you expect any boxer to fight someone at a 30lbs disadvantage?
Come on.
Jones also said it made history and was the cherry on top of his legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJones has gone on record as saying it was the biggest mistake he ever made and should of never done it. It ruined himQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
He took that risk.
Thats what fighters do.
Moving UP made history and was his cherry on top... Moving down to run tarver down to the wire was not.
Still made history and added to roys legacy. Came from his mouth not mine. We all know what happened to roy after that but according to some people on here ruiz wasnt a proper heavyweight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Always an excuse.
Floyd whoops Canelo's ass at 154 as well. Canelo is basically super middleweight...he can't stay at 154 much longer...hence his stamina issues. That being said...why give a fighter who is going to outweigh you 20-30 pounds come fight night any advantage?! Because it's good for his his legacy?! BS.
None of them make the money a Mayweather fight would make. Are you seriously trying to tell me Alvarez should try and make 147 when he hasn't done it in over 3 years and last time he tried he missed by 4 pounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by impOf course floyd/canelo makes the most money but there are other options for him if he cant make the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMaybe cuz Andre Ward hasn't been cleared by doctors to even train let alone fight. And only a fool would think Alvarez-Ward would make as much as Alvarez-MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
You seriously think Alvarez should come down to 147? A weight he hasn't fought in, in over 3 years and a weight his body won't even let him make?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitSome people hate Floyd so much and want him to lose so bad that almost anything is viewed as fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Take your pick and fight someone you probably dont outweigh.
Golovkin
Martinez
Geale
Quillin
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
Pirog Soliman Sturm Macklin, and Murray
VD, you expect any boxer to fight someone at a 30lbs disadvantage?
Come on.
Do you even know what you're talking about? Do you have any idea how bad you're contradiction yourself? You say Alvarez should move up in weight. Cuz that's what champions do and will help his legacy. You use Roy Jones moving up in weight to fight Ruiz as an example. At the same time you're complaining that Mayweather shouldn't be expected to fight someone with a 30 pound advantage. Ruiz had a 33 pound advantage when he fought Jones. Are you saying Mayweather is not good enough to do what Jones was able to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by impStill made history and added to roys legacy. Came from his mouth not mine. We all know what happened to roy after that but according to some people on here ruiz wasnt a proper heavyweight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Always an excuse.
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Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Please man give your head a shake. You need to think sometimes before you hit send whenever a subject is at hand that involves a fighter that you literally hate. You cant compare a battle worn water weighted Cotto to a 22 year old in his prime like Alvarez. And btw why are the Alvarez people considering Cotto at this point?
Floyd has publicly stated that he wants to stay at 147 and lets get serious here. Alvarez was 171 pounds at fight time against Trout and that's with 24 hours of rehydration. A few more hours and he would probably have weighed over 180. Floyd probably weighs 150 at fight time Perhaps he should fight Ward next.
Robinson weighed 147 for his first fight with Lamotta but Ray was a big welter and transferred to 160 seamlessly.
Leonard took the 154 title prior to his 3 year retirement and fight with Hagler and he to was a bigger welter. Speaking of Hagler he probably never weighed as much as Alvarez at fight time.
Weight manipulation today has grown leaps and bounds compared even to the eighties.
Lastly Floyd is the top dog, the biggest draw and the greatest fighter on the planet. Why should he cater to the demands of the man expected to take over his rein? Legacy? We all know that Floyds view of legacy is quite different then most. Nobody fights 3 times in 5 years if their concern was legacy driven.
People need to take his age into consideration also and the fact that Floyds a natural welter.
Having said that, leave the titles at home at fight at 150.
Good post, and the bolded part is the most telling statistic of all. Yeah, I understand Canelo's unwillingness to come down to 147.... but at the same time, Floyd at 154 is not fighting at his best weight, but rather playing into Canelo's wheelhouse.
What gets me, in all seriousness, is reading how Floyd needs Canelo more than Canelo needs Floyd. Really?? I mean, Canelo is a rising star and all that, but.... seriously? Floyd is the consensus p4p right now. His legacy is set. Why should he cave to Canelo's demands at this juncture?
Sorry I dont understand your comment? I must be too idiotic but whats your point? Why does Canelo being 22 and recently fought a game opponent go against what I said?Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingwhat an idiotic comment Canelo is like 22 years old and recently fought a game and undefeated Trout.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeDare I say Floyd needs Canelo more then Canelo needs Floyd?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Floyds legacy will be looked at as a fighter who avoided the best in their peaks like manny and now Canelo?
Im not saying he should cave. Im just saying it looks like he is ducking him, like it looked like he was ducking Pacquiao. I dont think Canelo is in Floyds class and think Floyd beats him at either weight but if he is avoiding everyone that all the fans want to see it will affect his legacy. Looks like he is gonna fight Khan next year. He had the chance to fight Canelo to fight Khan. I actually think Khan has a better chance of beating him then Canelo but most people will see this as him taking an easier fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Please man give your head a shake. You need to think sometimes before you hit send whenever a subject is at hand that involves a fighter that you literally hate. You cant compare a battle worn water weighted Cotto to a 22 year old in his prime like Alvarez. And btw why are the Alvarez people considering Cotto at this point?
Floyd has publicly stated that he wants to stay at 147 and lets get serious here. Alvarez was 171 pounds at fight time against Trout and that's with 24 hours of rehydration. A few more hours and he would probably have weighed over 180. Floyd probably weighs 150 at fight time Perhaps he should fight Ward next.
Robinson weighed 147 for his first fight with Lamotta but Ray was a big welter and transferred to 160 seamlessly.
Leonard took the 154 title prior to his 3 year retirement and fight with Hagler and he to was a bigger welter. Speaking of Hagler he probably never weighed as much as Alvarez at fight time.
Weight manipulation today has grown leaps and bounds compared even to the eighties.
Lastly Floyd is the top dog, the biggest draw and the greatest fighter on the planet. Why should he cater to the demands of the man expected to take over his rein? Legacy? We all know that Floyds view of legacy is quite different then most. Nobody fights 3 times in 5 years if their concern was legacy driven.
People need to take his age into consideration also and the fact that Floyds a natural welter.
Having said that, leave the titles at home at fight at 150.
Good post, and the bolded part is the most telling statistic of all. Yeah, I understand Canelo's unwillingness to come down to 147.... but at the same time, Floyd at 154 is not fighting at his best weight, but rather playing into Canelo's wheelhouse.
What gets me, in all seriousness, is reading how Floyd needs Canelo more than Canelo needs Floyd. Really?? I mean, Canelo is a rising star and all that, but.... seriously? Floyd is the consensus p4p right now. His legacy is set. Why should he cave to Canelo's demands at this juncture?
Everything to do with weight classes is bull shit. Im sure Floyd would take this at 154 if the weigh in was the day of the fight. Having a 20-30 pound weight advantage in the ring defeats the purpose of guys fighting at the same weight.
Vd, why not address the valid issues here instead of going round in circles?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseDo you even know what you're talking about? Do you have any idea how bad you're contradiction yourself? You say Alvarez should move up in weight. Cuz that's what champions do and will help his legacy. You use Roy Jones moving up in weight to fight Ruiz as an example. At the same time you're complaining that Mayweather shouldn't be expected to fight someone with a 30 pound advantage. Ruiz had a 33 pound advantage when he fought Jones. Are you saying Mayweather is not good enough to do what Jones was able to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by impStill made history and added to roys legacy. Came from his mouth not mine. We all know what happened to roy after that but according to some people on here ruiz wasnt a proper heavyweight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Always an excuse.
Are we going to start comparing canelo with ruiz now?
You said that is floyd is now ducking canelo because of this weight issue but if this was manny in this situation no one would be complaining about it!
Whether we like it or not, floyd is the face of boxing and the best boxer of this era. Canelo could happily be starting the weight loss early to get used to it knowing this is his biggest payday of his entire career and the plus points of winning would be unbelievable!
Fitness gurus, trainers and nutritionists have got many a fighter at their chosen weight before and this situation is no different.
Stop jumping on the bandwagon and being quick to say floyds ducking like everyone else who hates him.
Enough with the hate Mayweather talk. Not only is it lame but it's nonsense. I've backed up Mayweather and made excuses for him plenty of times. Cuz I felt he was in the right. He's not in the right here. So I can not back him up. That's the difference between a boxing fan and a fighters groupie. I can criticize fighters who I consider to be favorites of mine. It's pretty obvious you can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by impVd, why not address the valid issues here instead of going round in circles?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseDo you even know what you're talking about? Do you have any idea how bad you're contradiction yourself? You say Alvarez should move up in weight. Cuz that's what champions do and will help his legacy. You use Roy Jones moving up in weight to fight Ruiz as an example. At the same time you're complaining that Mayweather shouldn't be expected to fight someone with a 30 pound advantage. Ruiz had a 33 pound advantage when he fought Jones. Are you saying Mayweather is not good enough to do what Jones was able to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by impStill made history and added to roys legacy. Came from his mouth not mine. We all know what happened to roy after that but according to some people on here ruiz wasnt a proper heavyweight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Always an excuse.
Are we going to start comparing canelo with ruiz now?
You said that is floyd is now ducking canelo because of this weight issue but if this was manny in this situation no one would be complaining about it!
Whether we like it or not, floyd is the face of boxing and the best boxer of this era. Canelo could happily be starting the weight loss early to get used to it knowing this is his biggest payday of his entire career and the plus points of winning would be unbelievable!
Fitness gurus, trainers and nutritionists have got many a fighter at their chosen weight before and this situation is no different.
Stop jumping on the bandwagon and being quick to say floyds ducking like everyone else who hates him.
You said lets get back to the valid issues. Fine. The valid issue is Alvarez can't make 147. It's that simple. No guru or trainer is gonna change that. Mayweather knows that. Him asking for something that's impossible to be met is his way of avoiding the fight. It should not be this hard to understand.
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the hate Mayweather talk. Not only is it lame but it's nonsense. I've backed up Mayweather and made excuses for him plenty of times. Cuz I felt he was in the right. He's not in the right here. So I can not back him up. That's the difference between a boxing fan and a fighters groupie. I can criticize fighters who I consider to be favorites of mine. It's pretty obvious you can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by impVd, why not address the valid issues here instead of going round in circles?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseDo you even know what you're talking about? Do you have any idea how bad you're contradiction yourself? You say Alvarez should move up in weight. Cuz that's what champions do and will help his legacy. You use Roy Jones moving up in weight to fight Ruiz as an example. At the same time you're complaining that Mayweather shouldn't be expected to fight someone with a 30 pound advantage. Ruiz had a 33 pound advantage when he fought Jones. Are you saying Mayweather is not good enough to do what Jones was able to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by impStill made history and added to roys legacy. Came from his mouth not mine. We all know what happened to roy after that but according to some people on here ruiz wasnt a proper heavyweight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Always an excuse.
Are we going to start comparing canelo with ruiz now?
You said that is floyd is now ducking canelo because of this weight issue but if this was manny in this situation no one would be complaining about it!
Whether we like it or not, floyd is the face of boxing and the best boxer of this era. Canelo could happily be starting the weight loss early to get used to it knowing this is his biggest payday of his entire career and the plus points of winning would be unbelievable!
Fitness gurus, trainers and nutritionists have got many a fighter at their chosen weight before and this situation is no different.
Stop jumping on the bandwagon and being quick to say floyds ducking like everyone else who hates him.
You said lets get back to the valid issues. Fine. The valid issue is Alvarez can't make 147. It's that simple. No guru or trainer is gonna change that. Mayweather knows that. Him asking for something that's impossible to be met is his way of avoiding the fight. It should not be this hard to understand.
Its not impossible. Bottom line is, everything does not revolve around canelo. If canelo wants the fight thats what he needs to do.
Loads of world class boxers and trainers are saying the same thing about why floyd should not step up and fight at a huge disadvantage in weight..but i suppose there groupies as well in your world.
Bradley imho deserves a shot at floyd at this stage but yet again thats another huge hurdle because of the bob arum/top rank situation.
Floyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
Good words mr.rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
I remember saying awhile ago about others building there rep and legacy in the game.
Canelo can be a great, mexican legend...but just what would happen if he dropped down and beat floyd.
Its always easier going up in weight than down. Thats obvious.
And if floyd is fighting in september during that mexican holiday period the most money he will make is probably from a canelo fight.
Shame they cant agree on a weight.
Takes two to tango.
@imp - we may disagree on Floyd's legacy, but I always maintain Floyd is a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by impGood words mr.rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
I remember saying awhile ago about others building there rep and legacy in the game.
Canelo can be a great, mexican legend...but just what would happen if he dropped down and beat floyd.
Its always easier going up in weight than down. Thats obvious.
And if floyd is fighting in september during that mexican holiday period the most money he will make is probably from a canelo fight.
Shame they cant agree on a weight.
Takes two to tango.
Now, I will say that I prefer to see Floyd face Canelo at 154 than Amir Khan or Danny Garcia at 147. Same with Trout or Lara at 154. It's just I don't think Floyd should be criticized if he decides not to go that route. I also don't think wins over Khan or Garcia do that much for his legacy, whereas wins over Canelo/Trout/Lara would do more.
I dont know why i feel this way but theres something about khan that might strike lucky with floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat@imp - we may disagree on Floyd's legacy, but I always maintain Floyd is a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by impGood words mr.rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
I remember saying awhile ago about others building there rep and legacy in the game.
Canelo can be a great, mexican legend...but just what would happen if he dropped down and beat floyd.
Its always easier going up in weight than down. Thats obvious.
And if floyd is fighting in september during that mexican holiday period the most money he will make is probably from a canelo fight.
Shame they cant agree on a weight.
Takes two to tango.
Now, I will say that I prefer to see Floyd face Canelo at 154 than Amir Khan or Danny Garcia at 147. Same with Trout or Lara at 154. It's just I don't think Floyd should be criticized if he decides not to go that route. I also don't think wins over Khan or Garcia do that much for his legacy, whereas wins over Canelo/Trout/Lara would do more.
On paper, khan should get beaten by floyd but with those quick hands and boxing skills if khan keeps his distance it would be very interesting.
If devon looks impressive, it will be 100% his turn in september.
What the hell are you talking about? Mayweather's contract does not limit him to only the welterweight division. His contract has nothing to do with him fighting Alvarez or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
Mayweather not going to 154 to fight Alvarez makes him look like a pussy. He's pretty much letting everybody know he'll go to 154 to fight what's left of Miguel Cotto. But not Alvarez
Theres a difference fighting Cotto and Alvarez at 154. About a 20 pound differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat the hell are you talking about? Mayweather's contract does not limit him to only the welterweight division. His contract has nothing to do with him fighting Alvarez or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
Mayweather not going to 154 to fight Alvarez makes him look like a pussy. He's pretty much letting everybody know he'll go to 154 to fight what's left of Miguel Cotto. But not Alvarez
First time hearing this on Spanish network. But another possibility could be Mayweather-Julio Diaz in September. You'll be alright with Mayweather-Diaz?Quote:
Originally Posted by impI dont know why i feel this way but theres something about khan that might strike lucky with floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat@imp - we may disagree on Floyd's legacy, but I always maintain Floyd is a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by impGood words mr.rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
I remember saying awhile ago about others building there rep and legacy in the game.
Canelo can be a great, mexican legend...but just what would happen if he dropped down and beat floyd.
Its always easier going up in weight than down. Thats obvious.
And if floyd is fighting in september during that mexican holiday period the most money he will make is probably from a canelo fight.
Shame they cant agree on a weight.
Takes two to tango.
Now, I will say that I prefer to see Floyd face Canelo at 154 than Amir Khan or Danny Garcia at 147. Same with Trout or Lara at 154. It's just I don't think Floyd should be criticized if he decides not to go that route. I also don't think wins over Khan or Garcia do that much for his legacy, whereas wins over Canelo/Trout/Lara would do more.
On paper, khan should get beaten by floyd but with those quick hands and boxing skills if khan keeps his distance it would be very interesting.
If devon looks impressive, it will be 100% his turn in september.
Bullshit. Both fighters will have to weight in at 154. It'll be 10 pounds at the mostQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeTheres a difference fighting Cotto and Alvarez at 154. About a 20 pound differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat the hell are you talking about? Mayweather's contract does not limit him to only the welterweight division. His contract has nothing to do with him fighting Alvarez or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
Mayweather not going to 154 to fight Alvarez makes him look like a pussy. He's pretty much letting everybody know he'll go to 154 to fight what's left of Miguel Cotto. But not Alvarez
Floyd will be 155ish in the ring. Alvarez will be over 170Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBullshit. Both fighters will have to weight in at 154. It'll be 10 pounds at the mostQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeTheres a difference fighting Cotto and Alvarez at 154. About a 20 pound differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat the hell are you talking about? Mayweather's contract does not limit him to only the welterweight division. His contract has nothing to do with him fighting Alvarez or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
Mayweather not going to 154 to fight Alvarez makes him look like a pussy. He's pretty much letting everybody know he'll go to 154 to fight what's left of Miguel Cotto. But not Alvarez
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFirst time hearing this on Spanish network. But another possibility could be Mayweather-Julio Diaz in September. You'll be alright with Mayweather-Diaz?Quote:
Originally Posted by impI dont know why i feel this way but theres something about khan that might strike lucky with floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat@imp - we may disagree on Floyd's legacy, but I always maintain Floyd is a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by impGood words mr.rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
I remember saying awhile ago about others building there rep and legacy in the game.
Canelo can be a great, mexican legend...but just what would happen if he dropped down and beat floyd.
Its always easier going up in weight than down. Thats obvious.
And if floyd is fighting in september during that mexican holiday period the most money he will make is probably from a canelo fight.
Shame they cant agree on a weight.
Takes two to tango.
Now, I will say that I prefer to see Floyd face Canelo at 154 than Amir Khan or Danny Garcia at 147. Same with Trout or Lara at 154. It's just I don't think Floyd should be criticized if he decides not to go that route. I also don't think wins over Khan or Garcia do that much for his legacy, whereas wins over Canelo/Trout/Lara would do more.
On paper, khan should get beaten by floyd but with those quick hands and boxing skills if khan keeps his distance it would be very interesting.
If devon looks impressive, it will be 100% his turn in september.
Mayweather will not just put on 1 pound overnight. Either way Ortiz was 164 on fight night. And Cotto looked like he was close to 170. Nothing he ain't done before. Not only that but extra weight is not exactly an advantage for his opponentQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeFloyd will be 155ish in the ring. Alvarez will be over 170Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBullshit. Both fighters will have to weight in at 154. It'll be 10 pounds at the mostQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeTheres a difference fighting Cotto and Alvarez at 154. About a 20 pound differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat the hell are you talking about? Mayweather's contract does not limit him to only the welterweight division. His contract has nothing to do with him fighting Alvarez or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
Mayweather not going to 154 to fight Alvarez makes him look like a pussy. He's pretty much letting everybody know he'll go to 154 to fight what's left of Miguel Cotto. But not Alvarez
If he can make 147, he can fight at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat the hell are you talking about? Mayweather's contract does not limit him to only the welterweight division. His contract has nothing to do with him fighting Alvarez or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFloyd doesn't need to fight Canelo because he signed a contract with Showtime and he isn't required to fight at junior middleweight to make good on the contract. While the welterweight division is in a weak point in its history, that isn't Floyd's problem. He has a contract that gives him a number of fights at welterweight and there are numerous fighters from in and around that weight class that will never be able to build a Canelo-type fan base. To those fighters, a fight with Floyd is life-changing. Floyd can turn down the Canelo fight and still have a long list of welterweights to choose from. Floyd is about green; hence, the moniker "money." We can't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Of course, Floyd has fought at 154 twice and was successful both times. There is no doubt he can be successful at 154. But, if you were in his shoes, why would you? Less risk, and he can still make good money fighting the likes of Amir Khan.
In addition, there is no reason to criticize a boxer for moving up in weight if he can successfully make the weight class he is fighting in. Floyd shouldn't be criticized for not moving up in weight. Canelo shouldn't be criticized for not moving down in weight either. If Mayweather doesn't want to move in weight to face Canelo because he can make 147 easily, and if Canelo can't make 147, then so be it. Canelo seems comfortable at 154. He should clean out the division and build his own legacy there. There are plenty of credible fights at 154 for Canelo. He can have a money-making fight beating up Cotto. He can face the Angulo-Lara winner. There is Andrade on the way up. Kirkland.
Mayweather not going to 154 to fight Alvarez makes him look like a pussy. He's pretty much letting everybody know he'll go to 154 to fight what's left of Miguel Cotto. But not Alvarez
Refusing to fight Canelo at 154 doesn't enhance his legacy at all. That's for sure. I just don't think we can knock a guy for fighting at 147, if he can make the weight comfortably.
For years Sergio Martinez called for a fight with Floyd at 154 (he even said he would go to 150 at one point) but Floyd wouldn't go for it.
I'm pretty sure the contract gives Floyd discretion on who he wants to fight. If that means the fight is at 147, then end of story.
What was Cotto's weight the night of his fight with Mayweather? I'm pretty sure that VD is right about Ortiz ballooning up to 165, or something for his fight with Mayweather. Also, what was Oscar's? It's clear that Floyd has faced men comparable in size to Canelo before. He's been at 154 before twice.
Also, let me be clear, Khan/Alexander are bad fights for Mayweather. It would almost be like taking a step back from Guerrero and Ortiz, which is difficult to do really.
Wouldnt you want to see a bradley vs mayweather fight.?..or am I all alone in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Give up on Floyd doing anything remotely fucking exciting. He's just a fucking flirt and a disgrace to the sport. All I've seen him do since stepping up to welterweight is frustrate and fuck with fan's hopes and expectations. I'm suprized there are still millions of fuckwits who actually believe in this joke and are willing to part ways with their cash to watch him fight bullshit matchups against guys who have been at welterweight for two fights or less. Now he's trying to starve Canelo so he can set up some more bullshit. Haters gonna hate? No shit he's a fucking sham claiming to be GOAT
Let's see the outcome of Bradley and Marquez. Bradley has as good of an argument as anyone for a Mayweather fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by impWouldnt you want to see a bradley vs mayweather fight.?..or am I all alone in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
After thinking about it a bit more, I do recall Mayweather making the point that he was fighting Cotto at the weight Cotto was comfortable at, and that he wasn't making Cotto fight at an uncomfortable weight. The same principle should apply to Canelo. If Mayweather thinks he is too big, then he shouldn't face him, but coming down to 147 shouldn't happen either.