Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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What do we all reckon this will do in PPV sales? I'd put the over/under at about 1.6 million.
Well it's not a coincidence that Floyd's last PPV was "terrible" and now he's in with a serious Mexican star on Mexican Independence Day weekend. This will be big.
Apparently it only did 850-900K buys and Showtime lost $12 million.
Canelo Alvarez Could Be Floyd Mayweather's Biggest Payday Ever - Forbes
I didn't know Floyd-Cotto did 1.5 million buys. That moves the over/under up to about 1.8/1.9 for me.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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Kirkland Laing
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Fenster
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Kirkland Laing
What do we all reckon this will do in PPV sales? I'd put the over/under at about 1.6 million.
Well it's not a coincidence that Floyd's last PPV was "terrible" and now he's in with a serious Mexican star on Mexican Independence Day weekend. This will be big.
Apparently it only did 850-900K buys and Showtime lost $12 million.
Canelo Alvarez Could Be Floyd Mayweather's Biggest Payday Ever - Forbes
I didn't know Floyd-Cotto did 1.5 million buys. That moves the over/under up to about 1.8/1.9 for me.
From what I've read, illegal streams have decreased the number of ppv buys. So, it is unlikely it breaks the Oscar-Floyd record.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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Kirkland Laing
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Fenster
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Kirkland Laing
What do we all reckon this will do in PPV sales? I'd put the over/under at about 1.6 million.
Well it's not a coincidence that Floyd's last PPV was "terrible" and now he's in with a serious Mexican star on Mexican Independence Day weekend. This will be big.
Apparently it only did 850-900K buys and Showtime lost $12 million.
Canelo Alvarez Could Be Floyd Mayweather's Biggest Payday Ever - Forbes
I didn't know Floyd-Cotto did 1.5 million buys. That moves the over/under up to about 1.8/1.9 for me.
Do you have a link for that? I read it exceeded 1 million ppv buys.
Showtime boss: Mayweather fight exceeds 1M PPV buys
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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Kirkland Laing
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Fenster
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Kirkland Laing
What do we all reckon this will do in PPV sales? I'd put the over/under at about 1.6 million.
Well it's not a coincidence that Floyd's last PPV was "terrible" and now he's in with a serious Mexican star on Mexican Independence Day weekend. This will be big.
Apparently it only did 850-900K buys and Showtime lost $12 million.
Canelo Alvarez Could Be Floyd Mayweather's Biggest Payday Ever - Forbes
I didn't know Floyd-Cotto did 1.5 million buys. That moves the over/under up to about 1.8/1.9 for me.
Do you have a link for that? I read it exceeded 1 million ppv buys.
Showtime boss: Mayweather fight exceeds 1M PPV buys
Canelo Alvarez Could Be Floyd Mayweather's Biggest Payday Ever - Forbes
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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I will say shit about it. At 152? What a typical Mayweather joke. Canelo will be shot before he starts.
I am an Alvarez fan but if a 22 yr old young man is that affected by 2 pounds against a 36 yr old who is naturally 5 pounds lighter then maybe he should make the 4 pound jump to middleweight himself. It is stupid to not be 154 but the idea that Saul will be shot at the weight is ridiculous. I don't think Mayweather was ever as worried about meeting him as has been made out and will relish the opportunity to enhance his legacy. I can't knock him on this one and though Alvarez does have a punchers chance he will struggle against such a slick craftsmen. It's a great fight. Now is the time to do it before age slows Floyd's legs.
I agree with Gandalf. Alvarez struggles to make 154 and stamina is poor due to this. Losing another 2 pounds will have a big effect and will really struggle late on in this fight.
Huh. First of all Floyd asked for a cut in between and asked for150.5 and that was refused. It was part of his game. He's never asked for a catch in his life. Fact is, it was Alvarez that offered 152. And where did this weakening thing all of a sudden come up? The notion that 2 pounds to a man that will weigh close to 175 24 hours later being weakened is patently absurd. Physiology 101.
I'm an in shape 170 pounder and I can go to bed at 170 wake up for a dump and a piss and be 168 the following morning.If Alvarez only weighed 162 or something at fight time it might have an effect but this is just straw grabbing by Floyd detractors. And to be honest quite lame.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
Here's a good point I read somewhere. It's actually a compliment to Canelo. Floyd didn't make Cotto or De La Hoya come in at a catch weight. Clearly, he viewed Canelo differently. Now, it's hypocritical in that he bashed Pacquiao for having Cotto come in two pounds under welterweight, but hey, I view that as Floyd just bashing Manny, which he does all the time, and you have to take with a grain of salt.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
Saul can win this he has height, reach, youth, weight and hunger. This is the proverbial handing the torch from one great to another as Floyd took from ODH who took from JCC ect. This is the fight of the year and i am excited already. Canelo has effective punches and good speed.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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Here's a good point I read somewhere. It's actually a compliment to Canelo. Floyd didn't make Cotto or De La Hoya come in at a catch weight. Clearly, he viewed Canelo differently. Now, it's hypocritical in that he bashed Pacquiao for having Cotto come in two pounds under welterweight, but hey, I view that as Floyd just bashing Manny, which he does all the time, and you have to take with a grain of salt.
But Floyd did not make Alvarez do it either my friend. The 12 to 15 million dollar payday for Alvarez did. They are the ones by all the reports I've seen so far that countered with 152. Floyd probably asked for 150.5 because of the massive weigh disparity and his typical game playing.
And this is where people get it wrong. Not all catch weights are equal in physical taxation. The comparison or attempts to do so between Manny asking for one with Cotto or Oscar and the one offered by Alvarez are apples and oranges. It will simply not have any effect on a guy that weighs close to lightheavyweight on fight night. He will probably rehydrate to the exact same weight he does when its 154. Cotto was not a big welter let alone a big jr. middle so when the catch weight was forced upon him that 2 pounds had a much greater effect. Oscar had not made welter in close to a decade.
Grant it either way Floyd accepted and should take a little flack but its simply not any kind of debilitating factor given the rehydration rate of Alvarez.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
here's why I'm irked, its a title fight and its not at the title weight, and its two god damn pounds that both clearly made before in their previous endeavors at 154 pound division, so why the hell would it happen at 2 pounds south of the weight class?
Its damn annoying.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
Wow, look at this, this fight doesn't happen until September and we have four pages devoted to the subject. It looks like a lot of us think Mayweather will win but I just can't see this one being a boring Floyd fight. Remember how much Canelo improved his defense in his last fight? He is already well in the know of every accurate strength and weakness that has been brought up here. He will not be made a fool of during the fight. Remember The Ghost throwing punches at an area Floyd had left a second before. I really think if Canelo can win this one if he can break through and works the body he can take it.
Obviously it has a lot of us with our panties in a knot.
Showtime is replaying the Canelo v Lopez tonight. I like Lopez but man that fight was out of whack. Talk about being out classed. I was so looking forward to Canelo fighting Ortiz but the rest his history. Still it will give me good chance to review Canelo
It is going to be cool to see how many pages generates.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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here's why I'm irked, its a title fight and its not at the title weight, and its two god damn pounds that both clearly made before in their previous endeavors at 154 pound division, so why the hell would it happen at 2 pounds south of the weight class?
Its damn annoying.
You are absolutely right. Floyd could have just agreed to fight him at 154 after all is said and done because the 2 pounds will not make any difference in this instance. Its simply not going to weaken Alvarez or equal up the playing field weight wise. I suppose this is just one of Floyds little head games. I think it was rather stupid of Floyd to accept it because by doing so it has the appearance of impropriety and we all know how that goes. That 2 pounds does not help Floyd nor does it hinder Alvarez except give Floyd a bit of a mental edge out of the gate.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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DavilaJones
here's why I'm irked, its a title fight and its not at the title weight, and its two god damn pounds that both clearly made before in their previous endeavors at 154 pound division, so why the hell would it happen at 2 pounds south of the weight class?
Its damn annoying.
Thats my problem. Honestly, if I was Alvarez I would not concede anything. I understand hes young and its been said 'whats he have to lose' but that dog dont hunt. I think the 152 is pulling the wool over peoples eyes or more the 'contract' of it. How do you have a limit within a limit but still call it a legitimate division title? Just hand shake on it, whatever?! Floyd literally just fought a guy who didn't jump one...but two...divisions and did Guerrero it without winks, nods, and bs number games. He bolted into a grab to reclaim his "p4p" status fighting a Marquez who was a lightweight then and agreed on a 'catchweight'...only to blow it off and no one will ever convince me he wasn't near 150 that night. You want to beat the champ, claim legacy and greatness just cut the games and Alvarez makes his legit limit..you make what you will within limit..and go at it. Do we really..I mean really know who needs who more here??? Canelo is afterall the one with massive future, in a stacked division and middle where Floyd is 36. Hes the man now but I think he needs Canelo in a big way for the bigger picture. It'll be a good fight, WE win as fans, but there is zero need or desire to tinker in this catchweight bean counter bs we see much much more of. Its just goofy dude.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
Canelo has about 2 rounds in which to win this fight, otherwise it will go as it always has in the past, Floyd will work him out and win an easy decision. Canelo must throw all caution to the wind and come out smokin', he has to assert himself early and score a big shot very early. PBF is a master at simply working his opponent out, adjusting his fight plan to suit and then cruising to victory. The only thing that can prevent this happening is for Canelo to strike hard in the 1st or 2nd rounds. He will have no time to settle in, Floyd will toy with him if this goes beyond 4 rounds.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
i think that 2 lb could make a difference. in the trout fight canelo slowed down midfight and trying to lose that extra weight could tell on his stamina. if i were him i would just make 154 and pay the fine.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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Here's a good point I read somewhere. It's actually a compliment to Canelo. Floyd didn't make Cotto or De La Hoya come in at a catch weight. Clearly, he viewed Canelo differently. Now, it's hypocritical in that he bashed Pacquiao for having Cotto come in two pounds under welterweight, but hey, I view that as Floyd just bashing Manny, which he does all the time, and you have to take with a grain of salt.
But Floyd did not make Alvarez do it either my friend. The 12 to 15 million dollar payday for Alvarez did. They are the ones by all the reports I've seen so far that countered with 152. Floyd probably asked for 150.5 because of the massive weigh disparity and his typical game playing.
And this is where people get it wrong. Not all catch weights are equal in physical taxation. The comparison or attempts to do so between Manny asking for one with Cotto or Oscar and the one offered by Alvarez are apples and oranges. It will simply not have any effect on a guy that weighs close to lightheavyweight on fight night. He will probably rehydrate to the exact same weight he does when its 154. Cotto was not a big welter let alone a big jr. middle so when the catch weight was forced upon him that 2 pounds had a much greater effect. Oscar had not made welter in close to a decade.
Grant it either way Floyd accepted and should take a little flack but its simply not any kind of debilitating factor given the rehydration rate of Alvarez.
Do we agree that the catch weight advantages Floyd? Floyd has literally stated in the past that fight the man at this weight. That Cotto was undefeated when he fought him because Margarito cheated and Pacquiao fought him at a catch weight. We know that it bullsh*t. That's why I'm saying smoke and mirrors. It's boxing. Floyd is no different than anyone else. When he has the advantage, he uses it.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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Canelo asked for it. Not floyd.
Canelo said ages ago he would fight at a catchweight.
He also said he'd fight a "catchweight" vs Hatton (which was a joke) and promply blew the weight and just payed the money. Its a farce.
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
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Saul can win this he has height, reach, youth, weight and hunger. This is the proverbial handing the torch from one great to another as Floyd took from ODH who took from JCC ect. This is the fight of the year and i am excited already. Canelo has effective punches and good speed.
I think he's shorter then Mayweather.
No I am sure he is 5ft 10, so taller.
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Saul can win this he has height, reach, youth, weight and hunger. This is the proverbial handing the torch from one great to another as Floyd took from ODH who took from JCC ect. This is the fight of the year and i am excited already. Canelo has effective punches and good speed.
I think he's shorter then Mayweather.
No I am sure he is 5ft 10, so taller.
Ya that's what i thought too. Then when he fought trout if you watch in the beginning of the fight when they show the fighters age, weight, height and reach. They said Trout was 5'9.5" and Canelo was 5'7.5".
Canelo is surprisingly small. Only 5ft 8 and looked about the same size as Mosley when they fought.
It must be that jaw line :mr-t:
Re: Holy F*ck! Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez is signed and sealed for Sept 14th
OK that is forget the height and reach as I was hoping he would use it like ODH. He still has the rest and hopefully carry on from Shane and rounds 2. :)
