Re: Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed
I can't buy into Garcia. He's a limited fighter that happens to slug well so far with guys that have no business slugging with him (Morales--age/weight/wear; Khan--Chin; Judah--Chin). Judah had him on the run at the end, khan was out boxing him early. If he was cutting off the ring the whole fight and obliterated these guys with combos, i'd buy into it more. I'm not saying he's landing these punches by coincidence. He knows he's gotta mix it up if he wants his power (often his only advantage besides youth) to be a factor in the fight, so he does... I asked myself how I see Garcia Fairing against Peterson the night Matthysse beat him and I can see peterson giving garcia all he can handle (at least early on). I didn't even think Lucas would have an easy night; a points win probably. Then to find out his house was robbed, he finally got on a plane and probably walked into to the fight with the tail end of jet lag and blasted peterson out that quickly ... was pretty impressive.
Re: Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed!
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Its obvious to everyone that khan is a better boxer than his opposition but styles makes fights and after khans last performance i dont think virgil would be comfortable in putting him in with garcia.
Why not move up to welter and get as close to you can the biggest payday in his career as its obvious he is not the best at 140 and never will be.
All im saying is garcia deserves some credit for what he has achieved and both him and his father are good for boxing.
The fact is Khan is what Garcia has achieved. What has he done since? fought a shot Morales and struggled with Judah. Has he fought Maidana? Did he finish Judah in 5 rounds ? Has he fought Lamont Peterson ? Garcia has to earn credit. You keep bringing up Khan as though Khan is avoiding Garcia. Khan would jump straight in with Matthysse. Garcia wouldn't even rematch Khan let alone fight Lucas.
that's why Khan chose Julio Diaz of all the talent at 140 as his comeback opponent right? and that's why he's jumping up to 147 now, as for rematches, we're still waiting for rematches against Prescott and Maidana, so lets not try to play the Amir takes on all comers card
Re: Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed!
Garcia's upside is the best one in American boxing at this time, and better than anyone between 130 and 160lbs- better than Golovkin.
Reason why? I don't see anyone giving Garcia any REAL trouble until he faces Canelo or Floyd. But Golovkin has a heap of talent to run through- Dirrell, Ward, Andrade, Hopkins, Stevenson, Bute, Froch, Abhraham, Sturm, etc, etc....
I do admit- Golovkin's dance card certainly has the potential to be better than Garcia's.
;D
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Garcia's upside is the best one in American boxing at this time, and better than anyone between 130 and 160lbs- better than Golovkin.
Reason why? I don't see anyone giving Garcia any REAL trouble until he faces Canelo or Floyd. But Golovkin has a heap of talent to run through- Dirrell, Ward, Andrade, Hopkins, Stevenson, Bute, Froch, Abhraham, Sturm, etc, etc....
I do admit- Golovkin's dance card certainly has the potential to be better than Garcia's.
;D
Golovkin easily runs through Abraham, Sturm, and pretty much anyone at 160 (Martinez is already on the slide and is constantly getting injured), and doubt he's gonna make the jump to 168 any time soon much less to 175
Re: Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed!
this thread is getting a bit hairy
i think garcia looks very good, very tough and strong and hits hard enough
might sound daft but he is better than he looks (i think :))
whos he fighting next?
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The thing with khan is that when someone hurts him and knocks him out it takes something away from him permanently.
Khan is just not tough enough to beat garcia. You can pull out all garcias old opponents and how he struggled with guy and etc but the bottom line is he had and will always have khans number.
Its the same with prescott.
Khan just fought a guy 8 years past his prime and was knockdown twice and never really hurt his opponent. Khan is a nice guy with great boxing skills but the blueprint is there for all to see..rough him up in the second half of the fight and his punch resistance will drown.
khans career is far from over, hes got a few big wins left in him yet
Re: Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed!
Wow I just don't see it. I love Danny Garcia, but nothing about him screams unbeatable to me. I have serious doubts about whether or not he can even get by Matthyse!
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Khan just fought a guy 8 years past his prime and was knockdown twice and never really hurt his opponent. Khan is a nice guy with great boxing skills but the blueprint is there for all to see..rough him up in the second half of the fight and his punch resistance will drown.
I dunno... maybe Khan can pull off a Wlad Klitschko and find a way to not get KTFO all the time hehe
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If Garcia whips Matthyse, I'll be all in.
Re: Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed!
Garcia is far from a complete fighter. He does pack a dynamite left hook, his right hand is a bit wild and he does fight at a slow pace. I think Matthysse has the beating of him and Khan would have stopped him mid way. He is a relatively good fighter but not great.
Re: Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed!
Khan just needs to face light punchers and stay away from guys with knockout power. Devon Alexander or Timothy Bradley would be good tests at 147.
Re: Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed!
Garcia a good, solid boxer. He hasn't lost, but he's also faced guys at the right time in my opinion, which is completely his right, but it is what it is. I'm very curious to see if GB gets Garcia-Matthysse made. I have my doubts it gets done. That's one of the most explosive fights out there at any weight.
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this thread is getting a bit hairy
i think garcia looks very good, very tough and strong and hits hard enough
might sound daft but he is better than he looks (i think :))
whos he fighting next?
They have him up against Lucas Matthysse. I have Garcia to win a split decision... no ko, unless Lucas gets VERY lucky and wobbles Garcia and the ref decides the fight and/or Lucas wins a few rounds while Garcia runs to recover. But Garcia isn't the type of fighter you get lucky on.... imo...
There are some fighters that you simply have to wear them down in order to win against them, Alexander, Floyd, JMM (even with his multiple knock-downs, he gets back up and comes back strong UNLIKE Tim Bradley, who has questionable fight wins- most notably vs. Manny Pac and Provodnik), Hagler also comes to mind and Ali also comes to mind.
Garcia is one of those fighters that you have to wear him down. You don't get a lucky-stiff-shot in easily, and when you do, he recovers quickly and sops up the pain really well.
This fight goes the distance and with Garcia winning a split...
Re: Danny Garcia- not to be over-shadowed!
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Danny garcia next fight needs to be mattysshe or karim mayfield.
There is no other options and september will prove whether garcia is the top dog of the divison or not.
More than likely it will be Matthysse. We have left Mayfield out of the discussion to a large extent, and I don't know why. He needs a good PPV fight- perhaps not for a title, but certainly he deserves to be seen on an under-card of someone who's someone.
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Khan just needs to face light punchers and stay away from guys with knockout power. Devon Alexander or Timothy Bradley would be good tests at 147.
It sickens me that khan and golden boy are going down this route.
Khan did beat maidana so this constant milking is doing nothing for his legacy but something for his bank balance.
Devon alexander team must realise they cant outbox khan so they need to train for some serious pressure attack tactics and khans main weakness.
I like khan but i want him to get in there and not shy away from the big punchers as he will learn alot more that way.
After he beats Devon he may face Kell and Khan is not an elite welterweight but he is an eleite light welter so I could see him come down and fight the winner of Garcia v Mattysse.
