I used it as an example to say, Haye improved from looking like shit. fury hasnt been beaten up like that so he has as much chance, if not more to improve.
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I used it as an example to say, Haye improved from looking like shit. fury hasnt been beaten up like that so he has as much chance, if not more to improve.
Haye will face a late stoppage or points defeat. Fury will be leaning, jabbing and roughing up David to near exhaustion.
Im absolutely astonished that he used to regard ross as a knowledgable boxing fan :oQuote:
Originally Posted by armin
uhhm If you look at the poll it's clear the overwhelming majority of us see a haye victory, by ko. altho we're going to have to eat a shit ton of crow if freakin fury was to pull it off somehow someway, not saying its likely but boxing is full of crazy shitQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
So when I turn out to be right does that instantly make you lot a bunch of no nothings?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm absolutely astonished that he used to regard ross as a knowledgable boxing fan :oQuote:
Originally Posted by arminuhhm If you look at the poll it's clear the overwhelming majority of us see a haye victory, by ko. altho we're going to have to eat a shit ton of crow if freakin fury was to pull it off somehow someway, not saying its likely but boxing is full of crazy shitQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
I actually guess he was talking about Master not you Ross. Noone thnks you are a knowledgable boxing fanQuote:
Originally Posted by rossSo when I turn out to be right does that instantly make you lot a bunch of no nothings?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm absolutely astonished that he used to regard ross as a knowledgable boxing fan :oQuote:
Originally Posted by arminuhhm If you look at the poll it's clear the overwhelming majority of us see a haye victory, by ko. altho we're going to have to eat a shit ton of crow if freakin fury was to pull it off somehow someway, not saying its likely but boxing is full of crazy shitQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Oh well, you are going to look like such a bunch of dopey twats;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI actually guess he was talking about Master not you Ross. Noone thnks you are a knowledgable boxing fanQuote:
Originally Posted by rossSo when I turn out to be right does that instantly make you lot a bunch of no nothings?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm absolutely astonished that he used to regard ross as a knowledgable boxing fan :oQuote:
Originally Posted by arminuhhm If you look at the poll it's clear the overwhelming majority of us see a haye victory, by ko. altho we're going to have to eat a shit ton of crow if freakin fury was to pull it off somehow someway, not saying its likely but boxing is full of crazy shitQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Damn right, and we few folks predicting Fury wins by KO are going to hold you majority folks to this too.Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fW7MoINvQcQuote:
Originally Posted by rossOh well, you are going to look like such a bunch of dopey twats;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI actually guess he was talking about Master not you Ross. Noone thnks you are a knowledgable boxing fanQuote:
Originally Posted by rossSo when I turn out to be right does that instantly make you lot a bunch of no nothings?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm absolutely astonished that he used to regard ross as a knowledgable boxing fan :oQuote:
Originally Posted by arminuhhm If you look at the poll it's clear the overwhelming majority of us see a haye victory, by ko. altho we're going to have to eat a shit ton of crow if freakin fury was to pull it off somehow someway, not saying its likely but boxing is full of crazy shitQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
seriously ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossso when i turn out to be right does that instantly make you lot a bunch of no nothings?Quote:
Originally Posted by silkeyjoeim absolutely astonished that he used to regard ross as a knowledgable boxing fan :oQuote:
Originally Posted by arminuhhm if you look at the poll it's clear the overwhelming majority of us see a haye victory, by ko. Altho we're going to have to eat a shit ton of crow if freakin fury was to pull it off somehow someway, not saying its likely but boxing is full of crazy shitQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
how old r u ?
Why do people think this is going to be an early KO for Haye as if he's going to come out aggressive as hell?
On the two occasions he's fought giant heavyweights he's run like a pussy and will probably do the same against the 6ft 9 Fury. Fury can punch as well, so I just don't see Haye being the aggressor here.
I actually think Fury has a decent chance of winning this. If Fury can get his jab going I think he'll take a decision.
Simple answer , the two giant HW's Haye has fought where world class and proven , Fury is neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
Valuev - Rock chin
Wlad - probably an all time great.
Fury - dodgy chin , little power , unproven.
Next question ?
He'll not do much for a round or 2, but that's still going to be a round 3 or 4 KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
Fury is tall. But he is an upright, chin out, spaghetti armed defence, uncoordinated devastating KO waiting to happen.
So Wlad doesn't have a dubious chin then? Haye didn't exactly go looking for the KO in their fight did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlSimple answer , the two giant HW's Haye has fought where world class and proven , Fury is neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
Valuev - Rock chin
Wlad - probably an all time great.
Fury - dodgy chin , little power , unproven.
Next question ?
I just don't see Haye going looking for Fury and I think Fury has enough power and physical strength to make Haye think twice about getting too close.
I would still make Haye the favourite, but a Fury win wouldn't surprise me at all.
Wlad having a dodgy chin yes , but come on please don't even mention Fury in the same breath , Wlad is a fucking great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesqueSo Wlad doesn't have a dubious chin then? Haye didn't exactly go looking for the KO in their fight did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlSimple answer , the two giant HW's Haye has fought where world class and proven , Fury is neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
Valuev - Rock chin
Wlad - probably an all time great.
Fury - dodgy chin , little power , unproven.
Next question ?
I just don't see Haye going looking for Fury and I think Fury has enough power and physical strength to make Haye think twice about getting too close.
I would still make Haye the favourite, but a Fury win wouldn't surprise me at all.
Fury is unproven and Haye is not all that at HW. I don't really mind who wins, but will be supporting Fury as he will likely be the underdog and I don't like either fighter. Haye is boring and conservative and Fury is completely unrefined. At least Fury does come to fight, Haye really doesn't do that and I don't count jokes like Harrison or an ancient Ruiz.
If anything this could be a boring fight, a little like Valuev. If Fury fights stupidly then he will get stopped, but with a little caution he can wear down Haye who will need to be on his bicycle.
I think it'll be Haye by KO within 7.
It'll be clumsy and a little but comical.
I dont get why so many people ( Majority of them being the wishful thinking Brits ) are picking Haye by early KO.. What gives u that idea? lol What do u think haye is, an aggressive fighter or something?
David has a style similiar to Jean PAscal. He's an ambush fighter who attacks in spurts..
Only way Fury gets knocked out early is if he fights really stupid which i know he wont...
David Gaye sucks
Johnny Nelson says Fury is two nil up so far in the lead up and Haye is not enjoying having the piss taken out of him.
Also, Nelsons take on fury not wanting to do a stare down was because he feels Tyson knew he wouldnt be ale to contain himself. He says ithe studio he had to talk over him to calm him down as it looked like he might go off. Quite funny.
JOHNNY NELSON TALKS DAVID HAYE v TYSON FURY @ THE HOMECOMING WEIGH IN - YouTube
Fury needed booze , that explains a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Some responses to my posts have been rather weak/bizarre/surreal lately:confused:
This is kind of how I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Haye hasn't really beaten any credible opponents at heavyweight and his performance against Wlad was absolutely pathetic. He beat Audinary Harrison, an ancient and shot Ruiz and Chisora who is little more than a journeyman whose lost God knows how many fights in a row. Big fuckin' deal.
Fury, sure, he's not exactly set the world alight either, but he's a seriously big man and he can punch. Yes, he's been down, but he's got up and gone on to win.
Haye will run. The only question is whether or not Fury is smart enough to keep Haye on the end of his jab and not leave himself open. And yes, can Fury take a decent shot from Haye and stay on his feet or get straight back up if he does go down?
I just don't see Haye as the massive favourite some people do - especially for an early knockout.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Wishful thinking Brits? Where is Tyson Fury from?
30-8 in favour of Haye so far.
Yes, Fury won't be stupid because smart fighters punch themselves in the face and get dropped hard because they were clowning and pushing an old cruiserweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
As for 'wishful thinking brits', the same people saying Fury will win are the same peoole who said that Chisora would stop Haye, Harrison would and Valuev would (ie: wishful thinking haters). Fury wasn't a skilled enough boxer to beat cunningham without fighting dirty and Haye has already beaten one overly sized lummox (who was world level, with a better chin than fury) and survived 12 with Wlad (who is ten times more skilled than Fury and 5 times the puncher), what skills does Fury have that Haye hasn't seen before?
As long as Haye gets Fury out of there before Fury starts headbutting him and lifting Haye's chin/blocking haye's vision to illegally stop him (like he had to do to cunningham because he couldn't outbox him, despite massive height, weight and reach advantages) he'll be OK... :rolleyes:
It is a public poll dumbass, you can see who people have voted for so it isn't annonymous is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Ok, what I meant was its easy to click the easy popular choice rather than actually have an opinion and explain yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnIt is a public poll dumbass, you can see who people have voted for so it isn't annonymous is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
No wonder god made you ginger...
People might possibly be thinking that way because Fury has a track record of getting dropped early in fights? And because Haye hits harder than either of the two guys in question?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
As logic goes its on firmer footing than 'I know fury wont fight stupid' ;D
haye is fast an accurate, fury gets hit a lot anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by MemphisPeople might possibly be thinking that way because Fury has a track record of getting dropped early in fights? And because Haye hits harder than either of the two guys in question?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
As logic goes its on firmer footing than 'I know fury wont fight stupid' ;D
if you watch as well when a punch comes furys way one of his defenses is to drop his hands and put his chin up
i just think haye is such a far superior boxer that fury will have to solely rely on his size and strength and hope haye doesnt land that often
i also think it will be a KO for haye and relatively early
In terms of excitement in the division, I hope Fury wins because if Fury knocked Haye out, or beat Haye even, then a fight with Wladimir would make sense. There's no need to see Haye against Wlad ever again.
The match seems a horrible matchup for Fury.
Haye has the edge in speed and experience. Fury is too open, and his chin the just the wrong side of decent.
I do not think it will be a short fight as Fury comes in (finally) in condition. Also he has shown bravery in the past. So I think Haye will comeback from losing the early rounds to an eager Tyson, to get back into it in the middle rounds, and stop Fury in about 9 or 10. Fury probably still on his feet, bravely bemoaning the stoppage.
Regardless of where he was born, Tyson Fury is Irish.. EVen he said in his own words,Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Wishful thinking Brits? Where is Tyson Fury from?
" I might have an English accent, but my heart is Irish !"
- Tyson Fury
My Heart is Irish says Tyson Fury | IRISH-BOXING.COM
Yea, dont u guys wish that Fury would be Brit so that ya could have a relevant HW fighter. ;D
Yes... As you can see, we all love Fury.
:vd:
Do you want Margarito to not be a discraceful cheat for similar reasons?
fury is banging to irish drum for attention
He's as Irish as I'm Cambodian.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaRegardless of where he was born, Tyson Fury is Irish.. EVen he said in his own words,Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Wishful thinking Brits? Where is Tyson Fury from?
" I might have an English accent, but my heart is Irish !"
- Tyson Fury
My Heart is Irish says Tyson Fury | IRISH-BOXING.COM
Yea, dont u guys wish that Fury would be Brit so that ya could have a relevant HW fighter. ;D
I'd prefer it if he were Irish, but sadly he's not. But calling yourself Irish is a good way to get a loyal little band of fans.
Have watched nealy all Hayes's fights live, ie attended, including two in germany. I will not be attending in Manchester, I will watch on TV. Tyson Fury has nothing whatsoever to do with boxing, end of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
If you guys want to debate the odds then carry on, this is the equivalent of butterbean versus Mike Tyson. Ridiculous fight, good luck to Haye for picking up mega money for beating a pub fighter, pretty much the same trick he did with Warrens over hyped Enzo Macaroni.
Geoff
But he didn't make me retarded...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOk, what I meant was its easy to click the easy popular choice rather than actually have an opinion and explain yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnIt is a public poll dumbass, you can see who people have voted for so it isn't annonymous is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
No wonder god made you ginger...
For me the biggest factor here is the punch Fury seems most open too. He doesn't ever seem to see an overhand right coming, and that is Haye's money punch. Haye is one of the hardest punchers in the division and he is scarily accurate at times. I know Fury is big but I don't think he is better skill wise than Haye in any area. I say Haye takes him in 8.
i dont agree, i think haye has a better chance against wlad still than furyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
wlad v fury might be more exciting for a couple of rounds tho
Yoll @ross - "expert" Joe Gallagher has been reading your posts mate.
Fury will win. Haye got stopped by Thompson. Chisora was undefeated when Fury beat him, Haye beat a journeyman version.
(Only thing he didn't mention was Lolenga Mock. Shocking oversight)
Expert view with Joe Gallagher - Joe Gallagher - Manchester Evening News
Joe Gallagher - Fury is from Manchester so he will win "Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yes Joe its obvious