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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Lucky punch. lol
No but really Mares was classy and you can tell they are buds and will no doubt do it again. I like the fact that Mares said he has to learn how to lose. He will be back in no time.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Lucky punch. lol
No but really Mares was classy and you can tell they are buds and will no doubt do it again. I like the fact that Mares said he has to learn how to lose. He will be back in no time.
Hope GBP seeks a rematch, HAS to be a clause? Bad for Mares, great for the fansQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Nice night of boxing ..Only one robbery this weekend, and that was typically in Germany.
There'll definitely be a clause but I'm not sure they exercise it straight away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHope GBP seeks a rematch, HAS to be a clause? Bad for Mares, great for the fansQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Just watched it. All I can say it gdamnnnnnnnnnn!!!! Johnny Gonzalez was on a mission. Fuckin great showtime card, I was gonna drive to this too, but I've spent a ton of $$ traveling lately so I stayed home. Damn n.
http://uploadir.com/u/01e0qx8n
Really nice shot. Mares should take a brief holiday and jump at the rematch if a clause provides it. If you are going to get stopped this would be the easiest kind of stoppage to come back from. Caught cold and early in the first round instead of later after a beat down or later when winning the fight.
Nice to see nothing changes with Jhonny - loses when he's meant to win, wins when he's meant to lose. Great left hook.
Santa Cruz is the new Rendall Munroe.
Wow. I work on Saturday nights, just got off an hour ago at 230. Being a boxing fan that sucks. Luckily I have just switched to directv, so now I have the fancy little dvr where I can just record fights and watch them immediately rather than have to wait to download and then watch on my cell phone. Tonight, somehow, I forgot to record the live event and made a frantic call to the lady to record the 1030 west coast showing while at work. To my horror, when I get home there was an episode of dexter and some black dude doing stand up up for the first 2 hours of my 3 hour recording. I was pissed off but thought I would at least get the Santa Cruz fight in before the stupid recording cut off. Obviously that bout was awesome. Since I had effectively cut myself off from the result of the main event while at work, I had decided I would just watch what I could of the main event. Holy shit, I just finished watching what I'm pretty sure was the fight. I believe in the last second of the recording that is the ref waving off the bout. I had to read a bit of this thread to discover this was indeed the case. Fuck you program guide, but it's all good. Holy shit again.
There isn't much to say about the main event except that Jhonny Gonzalez is the fucken man. And what a left hook he still has. Mares has always had that little bad habit where he dropped the right hand when he came in hard behind the jab. He got caught with a right hand very early that proves the point, it's just a little instinct for him that has always seemed to make more vulnerable than he should be. In this case though, it's hard to point out a hard flaw in his game. Gonzalez really just caught him with a perfect shot and Mares was too much the man to not hold and survive. If the stoppage really was after the second KD, that's a little bit bs because of how late it was in the round but iI don't know. Still what an amazing main event. I don't know how much you can analyze a bout like this, Gonzalez threw pretty much a perfect punch. Mares did have the right low, but it came so Damn fast, more credit to old Jhonny than blame to Mares.
Glad it was stopped, Mares was done, without the sense to grab and hold not that it would have been easy to grab and hold a veteran like Gonzalez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Ever notice that the big buildup seems to be the kiss of death in the ring, sometimes?
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Originally Posted by amat
*I had just commented last night how dangerous Gonzalez is... I missed the damn fight as well, but yea..Gonzalez gets credit rather than Mares dropping the ball...Gonzalez has done this type thing time and time again. He's got star power... and not just power, he's a world class technician..OFFENSIVELY... but his chin is made in china.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
*it's actually a fake hook to the body.. Mares never knew what hit him.
Great fake hook to the body. He sure didn't. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigstinkybugQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
*it's actually a fake hook to the body.. Mares never knew what hit him.
Mares eyes were rolling, when trying to get up from the second knockdown, that's why the ref stopped it.
Absolutely delighted for Gonzalez. I was real happy for him when he got back on the trail by stopping Hasegowa. That was some win for him last night and a lovely left hook to get the ball rolling on the stoppage too. Mares did superbly well to get up from that first knockdown a do say.....
I was completely wrong about this one. I thought this was a gimme fight for Mares. Wow. That was a big upset.
I bet Ponce De Leon will want another shot at Gonzalez and I'm sure Gonzalez would want to avenge that loss. I'm surprised at that result, I bet De la Hoya was gutted! Where does mares go from here?
There is a rematch clause, but I'm not sure he should take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Wow I didn't bother with this but was I wrong!
Glad to see Johnny have one more big night!!!!
What now for both of them?
That was awesome, wasn't able to see it last night. Tough call for Mares on what to do next, as it's hard to read a lot into this result. Gonzales is a bit like Linares, he's always been offensively sound and a great puncher, this stuff happens in boxing. I think Mares is a great talent, he just isn't a safety first guy with a lot of slickness, maybe he read to much into Gonzales previous outings as well and wasn't being careful. Gonzales could still do that to anyone assuming they enter the ring cold and expect to have an easy time. Depends how Mares takes that, he could go right for a rematch and hope to ride it out and turn the tables, or re build against someone less dangerous. Either way this is a big setback for him considering he could have fought anyone with a win.
How did he get hit with that punch? I'm very curious to know what had happened earlier to make Mares react like he did. Somebody above said that Gonzalez faked a hook to the body...
But no he didn't. If that is what he was trying to convey, Mares didn't buy it. He didn't drop his elbow to block a hook to the body; his right glove went across in front of his face. And that makes no sense because Gonzalez makes very clear what he is trying to do. My thought is that maybe Mares was looking at the Gonzalez right hand, thinking of landing his own hook.
In that case he should have thrown his left from his own shoulder; instead he drops it to his waist and appears to be winding it up when he gets clocked by the hook himself.
And why did he stand there? Pick the right hand up and pivot to your left, throw your left hook. What happened before to make him do what he did?
That is very interesting from a technical point.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
However, is it possible that decisions that are made through split second instinct determine the outcome of reality?
[QUOTE=greynotsoold;1181235]How did he get hit with that punch? I'm very curious to know what had happened earlier to make Mares react like he did. Somebody above said that Gonzalez faked a hook to the body...
But no he didn't. If that is what he was trying to convey, Mares didn't buy it. He didn't drop his elbow to block a hook to the body; his right glove went across in front of his face. And that makes no sense because Gonzalez makes very clear what he is trying to do. My thought is that maybe Mares was looking at the Gonzalez right hand, thinking of landing his own hook.
In that case he should have thrown his left from his own shoulder; instead he drops it to his waist and appears to be winding it up when he gets clocked by the hook himself.
And why did he stand there? Pick the right hand up and pivot to your left, throw your left hook. What happened before to make him do what he did?[/QUOTE=greynotsoold;1181235]
This is from a terrific boxing mailbag at boxing talk:
What the hell happened to Abner Mares? Was that a lucky punch ? Where does he go from here?
Bread’s Response: Mares was knocked out by a great shot. No way was that a lucky punch. Lots of Mexicans throw that punch. It looks like a power jab is about to be thrown and what happens is instinctively you put your hand in front of your face like Mares did to “catch” the jab. Instead in one motion a hook is turned over. Gonzales did it perfectly. The Marquez Bros and Ricard Lopez throw the same exact punch. Nacho Beristain is their trainer. Great punch not a lucky one.
Mares will be back probably in a rematch. Let’s see how it plays out.
I think this is exactly what happened, he was trying to catch and counter the right hand. I just got done trying to explain this to a buddy who doesn't know boxing. If you look at his eyes, I really think he was staring down the right and trying to load up (the wrong way) on a left hook and then spin out. It's the boxing equivalent of taking your eyes off the ball. He was more focused on the one shot and spinning out off the front foot to try to turn Gonzalez on the follow through. I hate that little spin he does off his front foot because it makes him susceptible to that very punch Jhonny threw and you see it a lot now especially with prolific American amateurs. It makes them lackadaisical with the right, it's just bad form but it looks pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
With that said, ESPN has a picture that might make me rethink that. The palm turn alone convinces me I'm right.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9598359/jhonny-gonzalez-stops-abner-mares-first-reclaim-wbc-featherweight-belt
It's a shame for Mares that he isn't British. The fight was waved off at 2.55 of round one, the ref was only halfway through the count and Mares was getting back up. If he'd been British and got up the ref would have prevented the fight from continuing till the bell went and then carried him back to his corner.
I was very saddened by this fight. I have always been a Mares fan. That was painful to watch. I don't know why Abner didn't grab and hold, I think that left hook made Abner forget everything.
It clearly looks like he is about to underneath at the start and that might have been enough for Mares to drop his guard.http://uploadir.com/u/01e0qx8nQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Well, it could well be the upset of the year and the resurrection of Gonzalez for another big payday. Didn't expect that to happen at all. Now let's see how Mares recovers from that lost and react in his next fight.
Apparently Russell could be next for Gonzalez. But I doubt that will happen, he needs a big fight against Donaire or Rigondeaux.